"No, it is a word. What matters is the connection
that word implies."
A
TV Tropes ruling established mid-2011 that no new articles in the
YKTTW should be named after a
Stock Phrase or line of personal (in-character) dialogue.
Bone up on history here.
(Note that from this point on we will be using the terms "phrase" and "dialogue" almost interchangeably, as the same guideline applies to both.)
But before standing up and shouting
"Objection!" like a
certain fictional lawyer, take a moment to remember what our definition of a
trope is: It's a
convention of fiction, a motif or element that recurs enough (across a given work, or whole genre, or even
all fiction itself) for the audience to identify it when they see it (or, in some cases,
after seeing it). Most
Stock Phrases originate from a line of character dialogue, but aside from
being repeated so often that people start recognizing it as generic, the words themselves don't really convey whatever actual motif or convention is in play. We're not tagging news articles or blog posts with witty personal thoughts for a header; we're coining
names for the concepts themselves.
Problems related to using a phrase as a trope name include:
- We don't want our editors thinking that the trope is about characters merely saying the phrase. Having a "list of times characters said X" is about as meaningful as, say, a "list of times characters sat on chairs" — (think about it for a moment). The trope is established by the surrounding context, the reason why the phrase came up at all and the actual phrase or dialogue which occured is merely incidental.
- Speaking of context, many older Stock Phrase articles were at some point written as "A common phrase said when...", placing emphasis on the exact words used instead of the actual trope that prompted them. This is bad trope formatting, and one of the reasons it even became a problem at all.
- We don't want every example section getting formatted like a list of quotations. All those quotations give the impression that it's about the exact words used at the expense of the real trope surrounding them. There's generally no need to quote the source material verbatim, and the example sections just look better when they aren't broken up every five lines with a distracting block of quotation markup. It can be worthwhile to quote the dialogue that occured in one or two examples here and there, but only in addition to a properly formatted citation, not in lieu of one.
- Sometimes a Stock Phrase ... just isn't a stock phrase. If it could occur for a variety of unrelated reasons, then we can't pick just one to use for the trope — the phrase is too broad, and will get misused when editors only see the title. (Doubly so if combined with the list-of-quotations issue described above.) This is the same reason we don't like naming tropes after characters anymore, because characters of fiction are remembered for too many different reasons to pick just "that one".
- Some Stock Phrase-named tropes become Pothole Magnets (or worse, Troper Tics) where editors link the title every time they use the phrase, regardless of whether they're actually providing an example of the trope, or not. (And in most cases, it's not.)
Note that this guideline is not a ban on
all Stock Phrases, just the new ones that get drafted in the
YKTTW — we have a number of
older tropes named after a phrase, and whether or not to
they should get renamed is a job for the
Trope Repair Shop to handle. Of course, we
have already renamed many
Stock Phrase tropes due to the above reasons (the last one
in particular was the problem behind names like "if you know what I mean" and "I am not making this up"); listing them all would take up too much space on this page, but if you really want to know you can search the list of
Renamed Tropes for terms like "phrase" or "dialog" sometime.
See
Naming a Trope for more general guidelines on how to name a trope.
