->''"Therefore, it's the game's fault that I suck at it!"''
-->-- '''WebVideo/ThirdRateGamer''', on ''VideoGame/RocketKnightAdventures''

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Over time, games in general have gone from NintendoHard to more accessible to today's gamers. Still, every once in a while, a game comes along that provides a challenge reminiscent of the {{Trope Namer}}s of NintendoHard. To some gamers, this shall not stand! Video games are about fun, and frustration isn't fun! They're like black and white!...right?

There's nothing inherently ''wrong'' with a "hard" game. While a large number of gamers find easier games to be more enjoyable than ones that may make them RageQuit, [[ChallengeGamer some gamers]] like having a challenge in their games. People play games for different reasons; some play to chill out and escape the trials and tribulations of daily life, while others seek such trials within video games.

Bear in mind that difficulty can occasionally be a legitimate complaint, depending on what kind of difficulty. Some games are legitimately hard and can provide a great and potentially fun challenge. Or maybe the difficulty is a tad too inconsistent and throws too much at the player at once and there's a ''huge'' difficulty spike. Other games [[FakeDifficulty are difficult for the wrong reasons]], which can be quite legit. (And commonly, when discussing the latter, it's best to keep discussion to that page. But it can still lead to justifiable entries on this series where people criticise the game as being too hard due to FakeDifficulty.)

This is ''not'' a page on which to complain about hard games -- this is for when a fanbase in general or reviewers complain about difficulty.

This type of complaint can happen if [[SequelDifficultySpike the preceding game in the series was significantly easier]].

The polar opposite of ItsEasySoItSucks. When people try to force the way they play the game (which generally has to do with difficulty) onto other people, you have a {{Scrub}} a or [[StopHavingFunGuys "Stop Having Fun" Guy]]. When you have both ItsEasySoItSucks and It's Hard, so It Sucks, you wind up with an UnpleasableFanbase.


[[folder: Action Games ]]

* ''VideoGame/TheWonderful101'' is a game that just didn't click for a few professional reviewers (and even some players) due to its challenging difficulty and surprisingly in-depth gameplay. Notably, when [[Creator/HidekiKamiya the director of the game]] was asked what he felt of said reviews on Twitter, [[https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/369407828315762689 the following exchange]] took place.
--> '''Fan''': Many reviews are giving W101 a low score because its "too hard". How does this make you feel?\\
'''Hideki Kamiya''': Honor.


[[folder: Action Adventure Games ]]

* ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'':
** ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaOrderOfEcclesia''. Up until [=OoE=], {{Metroidvania}}s were particularly easy compared to their more linear and difficult ancestors, so [=OoE=]'s challenge came off as a [[SequelDifficultySpike shock]] to many players who started with ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' or later.
** This was also the case with ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', though to a less severe degree.
** ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaIIIDraculasCurse'' was considerably cranked up in difficulty from the original Japanese version, thinly treading the line between cheap difficulty and actual fair challenge.
* While "suck" might be a strong word, this reaction was the primary criticism of ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime2Echoes'' among reviewers, [[NintendoHard especially in comparison]] [[SequelDifficultySpike to its predecessor.]] ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime3Corruption'' was made considerably easier due these complaints, and the ''Trilogy'' UpdatedRerelease lowered the difficulty of the second game's hardest parts.
* This was the main criticisms of InNameOnly ''VideoGame/DigimonWorld4'' RPG, considering that the one of the hero characters only has about four times the health of the game's [[TheGoomba Goombas]] and only a slightly faster attack, the pack of four enemies near the very beginning could easily kill a solo player. And for any newbies that encountered a [[BossInMooksClothing Crowned Enemy]] in the second section...
* This is half the reason why ''VideoGame/{{Robowarrior}}'' is not liked by many, the other half being a huge amount of GuideDangIt.
* The difficulty of ''VideoGame/TombRaiderIII'' was the most common complaints among fans and reviewers because the game had a huge amount of death traps that could kill you if you weren't careful. Even if you were trying to be careful, some areas forced you to rush blindly to avoid a trap you triggered, which was accompanied by some CameraScrew that was trying to make the sequence of escaping the trap look cool. Most of the game was also extremely dark, which made the death traps even more difficult to spot and it did not help that flares barely lasted.


[[folder: Adventure Games ]]

* The number one criticism of the first ''VideoGame/{{Discworld}}'' point-and-click adventure game was how incredibly obtuse the puzzles were to figure out, even accounting for the bizarre logic the world of the source material operates under. The puzzles in [[VideoGame/DiscworldII the sequel]] were generally better received for being silly while still being much easier to figure out. Of course, for other critics it went [[ItsEasySoItSucks too far in the opposite direction.]]
* Several Creator/{{Sierra}} games, particularly the ''VideoGame/KingsQuest'' games, get this sometimes, thanks to [[MoonLogicPuzzle Moon Logic Puzzles]] and the possibility of a GameOver lurking around almost every corner.


[[folder: Beat Em Ups ]]

* ''VideoGame/GodHand'' infamously got a 3.0 score from IGN; the lack of ability to block attacks adding in unnecessary difficulty in his eyes was part of the reason.
* ''VideoGame/StreetsOfRage 3'' hit this pretty badly, [[BadExportForYou at least in the International version, as the Japanese version was actually rather easy]]. The International version made the enemies so aggressive and do so much damage that it quickly became unfair. And then there was the EasyModeMockery at the end of Stage 5 in the Easy mode - ''which was the Japanese version's normal mode!'' Most people just RageQuit there and then.
* The high difficulty is the main complaint of the NES version of ''VideoGame/DoubleDragon III''. You start with only one life, have no continues, and are fighting aggressive enemies that love to gang up on you.
-->'''WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd:''' I guess they were trying to make this one realistic. Like, if in real life, if you went out onto the streets to fight this many people at the same time, you'd get your ass handed to ya. And when you die once, that's it. You're brown bread. You're not coming back.
* IGN's review of ''VideoGame/DoubleDragonNeon'' cited the high difficulty and the fact that you had to start at the beginning of a stage if you lose all your lives. Ironic, considering how hard the original games are (see above), and that we now have the modern convenience of save games...


[[folder: Fighting Game ]]

* ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIII'' was initially panned for its high learning curve especially compared to the more beginner-friendly ''VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha'' series, until VindicatedByHistory kicked in and the game became lauded by tourney-level players ''because'' of the technical aspects.


[[folder: First Person Shooter ]]

* The original ''[[VideoGame/FirstEncounterAssaultRecon FEAR]]'' gets this reaction from a lot of people because it was a legitimately tough game which could kill you quickly if you were careless. It wasn't derided for being too hard at the time of its release, but the reactions of newer fans brought in from the much easier 2nd and 3rd games are very much along the lines of this trope, and are often very shocked to discover that they can go from full health and armor to dead in a few seconds against normal enemies.
* The entire ''VideoGame/{{STALKER}}'' series has gotten this from a lot of people over it's [[NintendoHard unforgiving]] [[EverythingTryingToKillYou difficulty]] and aversion of many FPS tropes (leading to it being described as a "survival shooter"), but even within those that like it, the second title (Clear Sky) is regarded as several steps more difficult than Shadow of Chernobyl, mainly because entire squads of enemy troops will throw grenades that can literally change direction in midair to land at your feet. The enemies also got [[MadeOfIron a lot tougher]] to the point that a bog-standard military trooper could shrug off entire magazines of SMG fire to the chest, and the game has an odd hit randomization system rule to gunshots and explosions. That is, you have to actually hit your target, then the game essentially rolls a dice to check if you hit your target. This can lead to an odd moment when a grenade can land in your lap and not even give you a nosebleed, and then another can go off ten yards away and kill you instantly. Certain {{Game Mod}}s fix this unfair behavior, but at the same time, their sticking to realism makes gunfights '''ridiculously''' challenging. Oh, so now guns are actually accurate, and kill in very few hits like they should? Yeah, they kill Scar just as easily as the other stalkers, if not even more easily.
* ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' gets this a lot from people who are used to traditional FPS games where everyone's capabilities are more or less the same, and your skills tend to transfer from one game to the next. Due to the class-based nature of [=TF2=] however, any player that charges in expecting it to be like a normal FPS will die swiftly and often. Combined with a number of strategic and mechanical nuances and less-than-intuitive mechanics such as RocketJumping and stickbomb-jumping, this has the effect of turning off many players before they've had the time to learn how to play properly and realize that almost every class is DifficultButAwesome. In particular, the community has observed that ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'' fanboys seem to fare worst at [=TF2=], to the point where a [=CoD=] player playing [=TF2=] for the first time is considered highly entertaining SnarkBait.
* ''VideoGame/PAYDAYTheHeist'' and ''VideoGame/PAYDAY2'' tend to get criticism for having the difficulty being too brutal, even on the easier difficulty settings. SWAT can and will flank you and inflict a ton of damage if you're not careful and the [[EliteMook special SWAT]] will wreck anyone that tries to take them on alone. Most of the heists also tend to be very long and supplies are limited as well (ammo drops from cops give paltry amount of bullets and health kits can only be used a few times before they are depleted) while there are an infinite number of enemies. New players aren't often used to working together to finish the heist objectives that are actually required for to succeed. Overkill studio believes the games are fine where they are and feel the action is the juice, especially on the [[HarderThanHard Overkill 145+/Death Wish]] difficulties and there's a lot of fans that don't mind the high difficulty. Because the two games play similarly to ''VideoGame/Left4Dead'', many players from that game that try to play either ''PAYDAY'' game in the same way as ''Left 4 Dead'' will get absolutely wrecked and that can also bring the whole team down. And then they added two new difficulty levels, Mayhem and One Down.
* ''VideoGame/MedalOfHonorAlliedAssault'', specifically the ''Breakthrough'' ExpansionPack. While the base game and ''Spearhead'' are fondly remembered as some of the best entries in the ''VideoGame/MedalOfHonor'' series, this expansion gets a lot of flak from a ''very'' unpleasant SequelDifficultySpike that included health packs and ammo resupplies becoming much harder to come by, and objectives that are almost impossible to accomplish.


[[folder: Four X ]]

* The [[VideoGame/{{X}} X-Universe]] gets this quite a bit due to a heavy emphasis on EarnYourFun, EarlyGameHell, and the QuicksandBox in earlier games. The forums are filled with newbies begging for somebody to tell them how to get out of square one (thankfully the veterans are happy to help out). Others give bad reviews because it takes so long to get going in the sandbox. And then when ''X3: Terran Conflict'' came out, [[FanDumb certain elements of the fanbase]] got mad because [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks it no longer took something like 50 hours of gameplay before you had enough money for a capital ship]].


[[folder: Mini Game Game ]]

* ''VideoGame/RugratsRoyalRansom'' falls into this trope on Reptar Tough mode. The game is incredibly, insanely, ''mind-numbingly'' hard in that difficulty mode, to the point where you wonder if the programmers forgot that, regardless of differing levels of difficulty, they were making a game for children. It's not at all fun to play on that difficulty level; the only reason to play it in that mode is to prove you can beat it.


[[folder: MMORP Gs ]]

* Blizzard listened to complaints that ''Wrath of the Lich King'' heroic dungeons in ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' were [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]]. They fixed this with the ''Cataclysm'' dungeons. [[UnpleasableFanbase Now people are complaining that heroics are too hard.]] (Blizzard's official statement is that they're happy with the difficulty of the heroics and that they'll become easier once groups start figuring out strategies and players get better gear from raiding. In other words, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor deal with it.]])
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'':
** The Steps of Faith trial, which was the final battle quest in the ''A Realm Reborn'' saga, was notoriously known for being very unforgiving if the party had made a few mistakes; the boss is advancing towards the city of Ishgard and it does not stop moving. If it reaches the city, the battle is a failure and everyone must restart. The boss had ''tons'' of HP, its attacks could potentially OneHitKill anyone who got caught, and the only way to do major damage was to use cannons and dragonkillers whose use had to be timed perfectly or the boss would dodge the attack. Many players [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere preferred to eat the 30 minute penalty for abandoning the party instead of staying to help and fight]] whenever the trial popped up in the trial roulette. Overall, nearly everyone complained how brutally difficult the trial was and said trial was required to complete in order to get access to the ''Heavensward'' expansion pack zones. In about a month, the developers severely nerfed the boss's HP and strength to the point where parties can easily kill it with their own strength alone no matter how much they screw up on the mechanics.
** The first raid level of Alexander was notorious for being extremely tight with DPS checks and mechanics. Not enough damage done? The boss enrages and kills everyone. Screwed up a mechanic? Very likely everyone was going to die. The raid was so difficult that many raiders [[RageQuit swore off from the raiding scene entirely]] and many raiding groups were broken up over it. The fight was eventually nerfed while the developers made sure that future raids didn't have the same intense difficulty.
* The FinalBattle in the ''Stormblood'' main story is considered to be a massive DifficultySpike by many. Both phases take place on a floating platform and the final phase has the boss take out sections of it, which means falling off is instant death. Many of the boss's mechanics can either OneHitKill people if done wrong or cause massive damage and status effects on the party. Losing the fight means doing the first phase all over again. Like with the Steps of Faith trial, many people would prefer to take a 30 minute time out penalty than to suffer trying to clear the fight again and they also wanted the fight to be nerfed so they wouldn't be locked out of end game content. Unlike the Steps of Faith, the developers stated that they had no plans to nerf the fight.


[[folder: Multiple ]]

* WebVideo/TheIrateGamer has a ''very'' low tolerance of hard games, even if the game is good. Hard games make him "fustrated" [sic].
** He's also known to invert this. In his review of Kirby's Epic Yarn, he bashed the game for being too easy. Contradicting the many times he's complained about a game being too hard.
* Creator/TheKingOfHate is similar in this respect, not only with hard games, but also with games that don't necessarily fall under the NintendoHard spectrum. Of course, it doesn't help that he doesn't ReadTheFreakingManual.
* You find sometimes the one guy on a programming language forum who complains that programming languages like INTERCAL and Malbolge, which are both programming languages in which the editor deliberately made a language that is as hard and obtuse to use, get attention because they are hard to program in and saying that these are therefore of no interest whatsoever.


[[folder: Pinball ]]

* ''Pinball/BabyPacMan'' requires a good amount of skill with both pinball and video games. However, hardcore pinball players and hardcore video gamers are [[FandomRivalry rival fandoms]] (even during ''Baby Pac-Man'''s time), so there are relatively few people who are proficient at both types of games to perform well in ''Baby Pac-Man''. As a result, most people who try this game get frustrated at either the pinball or the mazes.


[[folder: Platformers ]]

* The ''Franchise/MegaMan'' series:
** ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' sometimes gets this from some people. To the point where the DS UpdatedRerelease of the entire series includes an "Easy Scenario". The game's English-language version promotes this on the box as being "so anyone can jump right in!" In practice, the Easy Scenario simply starts the game with most non-plot powerups (maximum life, all Cyber Elves, etc.) without actually changing the difficulty. You can ([[NintendoHard and probably will]]) still die even on Easy Scenario.
** ''VideoGame/MegaManAndBass'' is often dismissed by longtime fans for its unfairly high difficulty level, which is made even worse in its GBA port due to the cramped screen and rougher controls.
** ''VideoGame/MegaMan9'' got hit with so many complaints about its difficulty that ''VideoGame/MegaMan10'' was advertised as having an Easy Mode.
* Many PlatformHell games such as ''VideoGame/KaizoMarioWorld'' and ''VideoGame/IWannaBeTheGuy''. They tend to be more interesting [[LetsPlay watched]] than played. Many platform hells tend to be viewed as sucky mainly because of their FakeDifficulty. TrialAndErrorGameplay is pretty common in these types of games, especially in IWBTG and ROM hacks of ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld'' trying to be like Kaizo.
* ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'':
** ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBrosTheLostLevels'', the original sequel to ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros1'', was famously not originally exported, with this reaction being part of the reason why. The other is that [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks players dismissed it as a mere]] MissionPackSequel. It was not too warmly received amongst Westerners when it was RemadeForTheExport, seeing it as too close to PlatformHell territory for comfort.
** Expert 100-Mario Challenge and Gnat Attack in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioMaker'' are generally perceived as this. The former is hated for the FakeDifficulty of many of its levels, and the latter is hated for being [[TimedMission very]] [[ContinuingIsPainful unforgiving]]. The game's post-release updates added Hard Gnat Attack (which is ''especially'' hated for its difficulty, which mainly results from its [[ZergRush droves]] of Bomb Flies in every level) and Super Expert 100-Mario Challenge (reviled for having particularly devious levels).
* ''VideoGame/LaMulana'' spits in the face of gamers of this mentality, saying in the manual that it's only for those hardcore players who feel the same way.
* ''VideoGame/MirrorsEdge'' got this a lot from its detractors, with the argument being that the game's first-person perspective was unsuited to its gameplay style.
* ''VideoGame/HenryHatsworthInThePuzzlingAdventure'' was a critical darling, but got a substantial amount of flak for the fact that it's essentially a professionally-published example of PlatformHell.
* Despite its slick and original AAA design, the fact that Creator/{{Rare}} decided its [[NintendoHard inhuman difficulty]] was perfectly fine for such a [[SurpriseDifficulty wide-marketed]] commercial product has prevented anyone from considering ''VideoGame/{{Battletoads}}'' a classic.
* Although it has a devout following of fans, the original ''VideoGame/{{Rayman}}'' could have become a classic alongside ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' and ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' had it not become so mind-numbingly and abruptly difficult once you hit Band Land. The UsefulNotes/GameBoyAdvance port even went out of its way to advertise that it was much easier.
* ''VideoGame/MetalSlug 3''. You [[ContestedSequel either]] love it because it's [[SequelEscalation one of the most epic games in the series]], or you hate it because your first few full runs took 40-60 continues each. And the western Xbox port suffers from PortingDisaster by giving you limited continues which ''kick you back to the start of the stage'', meaning that if you weren't at a set skill level and couldn't really improve, you'd permanently miss out on a certain portion of the game.
* One common criticism of ''VideoGame/TheAngryVideoGameNerdAdventures'' is that it mimics perhaps ''too'' well the frustrating old-school games the [=AVGN=] often complained about.
* ''VideoGame/JakIIRenegade'' was often criticized for its at times downright punishing difficulty, and the game is still infamous for just how hard it could be. This was likely because [[VideoGame/JakAndDaxterThePrecursorLegacy its predecessor]] was sometimes criticized for being [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]], but many would say that Creator/NaughtyDog went a little too far in the other direction. As a response, ''VideoGame/Jak3Wastelander'', while still challenging, was a considerably easier game. Official UsefulNotes/PlayStation Magazine, who gave ''Jak II'' 3 out of 5 stars for this very trope, opened up their much more positive 4.5 out of 5 review of ''Jak 3'' by assuring readers that it was nowhere near as tough as ''Jak II'' was.


[[folder: Puzzle Games ]]

* ''[[VideoGame/TetrisTGM Tetris: The Grand Master]] 2'' (''[[ExpansionPack PLUS]]''), for those who started with [=TGM3=]. [=TGM3=] introduced a subtle change in the signature TGM rotation system that makes I-pieces easier to handle with, a feature necessitated by [=TGM3=]'s extreme speeds, as well as the introduction of the Hold Piece feature to [=TGM=]. So when a [=TGM3=] player tries to play [=TGM2=], especially at maximum drop speed...
* ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}''. You want to know how hard this game was? On the easiest difficulty, ''Japanese fans of Atlus complained about the difficulty''. This got so bad, that Atlus even patched the game to make it easier, and they also added in [[EasierThanEasy Very Easy]] difficulty in the West (basically Easy but with more block-jumping energy drinks being dropped). Of course, there are still the odd set of detractors for the game's difficulty here and there, but this has been more or less corrected now.


[[folder: Racing Games ]]

* While the ''VideoGame/JetMoto'' series was quite popular in its time (up until ''3'' at least), those who didn't like it often cited insanely aggressive CPU opponents and confusing course design (with sharp turns and plenty of bottomless pits later on), with Glenn Rubenstein of Game Spot even calling the first installment "an evil, difficult game."
* The ''VideoGame/{{Driver}}'' series tends to get this criticism from certain critics from time to time.
* Traffic Attack in the single-player mode of ''[[VideoGame/SegaSuperstars Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing Transformed]]'' is so difficult, the game's director admitted that he has problems finishing even the first one. Traffic Attack involves reaching checkpoints under an extremely strict time limit with heavy traffic to dodge, and clearing all of them on the highest difficulty is necessary to unlock every character. Complaints about Traffic Attack were so numerous that a patch was issued to reduce its difficulty to be more in line with the rest of the game.


[[folder: Rhythm Games ]]

* Fans and critics both cite the absurd increase in chart density in ''VideoGame/GuitarHero III'' (which marked the switch in developers from Creator/{{Harmonix}} to [[Creator/{{Activision}} Neversoft]]) as one of the reasons the series JumpedTheShark with that installment. The [[ThatOneLevel final set]] in ''particular'' ([[Music/{{Slayer}} 'Raining Blood']], [[Music/IronMaiden 'The Number of the Beast']], [[Music/{{Metallica}} 'One']] and 'Cliffs of Dover', followed by a [[ScrappyMechanic battle]] against Lou set to 'The Devil Went Down to Georgia') was considered by pretty much everyone to be a ''monumental'' DifficultySpike, and the point where most players would just give up and put the controller down.
* ''VideoGame/LocoRoco - Midnight Carnival'' got lower scores since many complained about its [[SurpriseDifficulty difficulty]]. Only a few of them complained about the control scheme not matching with the more challenging level design.
* ''VideoGame/{{beatmania}} IIDX'' is often criticized for its high barrier to entry compared to other Franchise/{{BEMANI}} games.
* ''VideoGame/PopnMusic'' up to ''pop'n music 19 TUNE STREET'' has only the Great, Good, and Bad judgements in most of its modes, other than Expert mode and Cho-Challenge mode, which feature the stricter Cool judgement and has more difficult scoring. When ''pop'n music 20 fantasia'' came around, the Cool judgement became mandatory in Normal mode, which led to a lot of complaints even from higher-end players, as Cools tend to take away emphasis from simply clearing boss songs. Worse, as of ''pop'n music Sunny Park'', all modes other than Battle mode have Cools enabled.
* Franchise/{{BEMANI}} fans tend to hold ''VideoGame/ReflecBeat'' with contempt because the way the notes fall (at angles, bouncing off the sides, not to mention the TOP notes) looks too chaotic.
* The folks at Rayark went all-out making challenging charts for ''VideoGame/{{Cytus}}''[='=]s "L" DLC chapter, and fans feel that [[GoneHorriblyRight they went too far]], resulting in charts that are so dense and [[FakeDifficulty so slow]] that they're just straight up not fun. Rayark ended up having to release a new set of charts for these songs that are still challenging but don't involve super-slow scanlines, although the original charts can still be accessed through a hidden method.


[[folder: Role Playing Games ]]

* ''VideoGame/The7thSaga'': Considered the hardest game on the SNES, yet there are tons of items to buff with in combat, traditional RPG roles work fine with both party members, and your ally leaving or betraying you... takes a little foresight.
* ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'' has been called a "bad game" due to some difficult enemies at the beginning and some imbalanced game mechanics that are not always fair to your character build, such as a character focusing heavily on non-combat skills, though you can always reroll a character and select better starting inventory, save and reload often, play it safe, etc.
* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' now has people complaining that Vanitas's Lingering Spirit and Mysterious Figure are "too hard", as well as some other required bosses like Master Eraqus, Braig (with Aqua), and the Mad Treant are too hard. This is from the same fanbase that complained about how Easy Sephiroth was in the first two games. Someone responded to this rather creatively:
-->"Fandom of ''KingdomHearts'', '''PLEASE''' don't complain about how 'easy' Sephiroth is, or how 'button mashery' several bosses are. Because then, we get stuff like Vanitas's Lingering Spirit or the Mysterious Figure."
* ''VideoGame/EarthboundBeginnings'' tends to get this treatment sometimes even from dedicated fans of the series due to the copious RandomEncounters. Mt. Itoi, the last area of the game, in particular is notorious for being rushed in development and given an absurd DifficultySpike. There are a lot, but it's certainly more playable than some have made it out to be.
* ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' and ''VideoGame/DemonsSouls'' often get this from their detractors.
* The ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' franchise gets a lot of this.
** Most people not accustomed to Creator/{{Atlus}}'s brand of difficulty tend to give up trying when they encounter the first WakeUpCallBoss. The high encounter rate, demons' tendencies to easily murder you in one or two turns if you have the wrong party setup, and [[WeCannotGoOnWithoutYou the player character's death resulting in an immediate game over]] certainly don't help matters either. Critics argue that the difficulty is often neither [[FakeDifficulty well-designed]] nor [[LuckBasedMission dependent on player skill]].
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIV'' was hit hard by this from fans who were more familiar with ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''[[VideoGame/{{Persona4}} 4]]'', and found themselves smashing their [=3DSes=] and/or outright giving up due to the [[EarlyGameHell brutal early game]], which has led to ''IV''[='=]s {{memetic|Mutation}} status as "the ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' of ''[[Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona Persona]]''". Ironically, ''IV'' suffers [[ItsEasySoItSucks the opposite]] when it comes to those who have played previous mainline ''Shin Megami Tensei'' games.
* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'':
** ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' would be this for some people. The most prevalent reason? Higher-levelled Pokemon gets less experience points. The problem kicks in when your Pokemon is higher-levelled than the local wild Pokemon, but lower than of the local gym leader's: you can't efficiently level grind up to the Gym Leader's levels. Adding to the problem are the DemonicSpiders in some routes, more cases of Gym Leaders' ArtificialBrilliance, Pokemon in this generation not being able to learn as many TM moves to counter type disadvantages, and the relative lack of rematch opportunities.
** ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' is criticized for this. Not only does it bring back the aforementioned EXP System from Black and White where higher-leveled Pokemon get less experience, but the low encounter rate makes it harder to find certain Alola Pokemon. It also removes several of the things from Gen VI that fans loved about ''[[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY X and Y]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire]]'', including the National Pokedex, Super Training, and Horde Encounters, and throws in the new SOS battles and [[ThatOneBoss some tough Totem Pokemon battles]], and there's even a notable number of Pokemon and items that can only be found in the aforementioned SOS battles.
** ''VideoGame/PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon'' is even worse. Several of the already challenging battles found in the original Sun and Moon were made even more annoying, there are even more tough battles here as well, and a lot of changes that people didn't welcome can be found here to add even more frustration to this game. [[spoiler:And let's not even get started on [[ThatOneBoss Ultra Necrozma]]...]]
* ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter 4 Ultimate'' gets this from series veterans who feel that the [[SuperMode Apex]] monsters add more frustration than fun to an already challenging game series.


[[folder: Roguelikes ]]

* Common advice to newcomers of ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress'' is to do away with the mentality that losing is a bad thing, and instead see it as something to laugh off. ([[CatchPhrase "Losing is fun!"]]) That said, many are still reluctant to give it a shot.


[[folder: Shoot Em Ups ]]

* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'':
** Most fans get into the franchise via {{Fanon}}, MemeticMutation, or music remixes, so they'll either attend a ''Touhou'' fan panel at {{Fan Convention}}s, where the host(s) will most likely demonstrate a later stage on Lunatic or an Extra Stage, often intimidating players from getting into the games, or they will look up videos of the games in order to understand the source material, only to express shock upon seeing a BossBattle. The ones that do try the games find them way too difficult even on Easy and will most likely RageQuit. The ''Touhou'' games are actually considered some of the easier BulletHell games, but [[FandomBerserkButton don't EVER tell a struggling player that]].
** Even amongst players, many feel that the 15th main game, ''Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom'', is too close to ''VideoGame/IWannaBeTheGuy'' for comfort, as the patterns are very brutal by their respective difficulty levels' standards in order to balance around the new Pointdevice Mode (which features {{checkpoint}}s and infinite lives), making them needlessly sadistic for Legacy Mode (i.e. traditional "limited lives and respawn where you died" mode). This is perhaps a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, as many players feel that the previous game, ''Double Dealing Character'', is particularly easy.
* As mentioned by WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd, the VideoGame/SilverSurfer NES game. The game itself doesn't look bad; the main complaints are the DeadlyWalls and Silver Surfer being a OneHitPointWonder, never mind that these two tropes are shmup staples, although Silver Surfer's [[HitboxDissonance questionable hitbox]] may have something to do with it.
* ''VideoGame/{{Deathsmiles}}''[='=]'s 360 port was released not only in Japan, but also in North America and eventually PAL territories. When it was initially released in North America, [[DifficultyByRegion a lot of the slowdown present in the Japanese version was removed, making the game more difficult]]. Most players didn't seem to notice or mind, but a subset of players was particularly upset about this change, some even calling the game an outright PortingDisaster. The amusing part is, most of these complaining players are players who are experienced with the game. The game has since been patched to match the Japanese version in slowdown behavior.
* ''VideoGame/{{Hellsinker}}'' is a turn-off to many players, who feel that the game looks [[GuideDangIt too]] [[MindScrew convoluted]] and [[FauxSymbolism pretentious]], and uses [[CallAHitPointASmeerp proprietary terminology]] [[TropesAreNotGood way too much]].
* People who have played ''VideoGame/BattleGaregga''. The ones who hate it do so due to the realistic bullet colors making them difficult to see, the DynamicDifficulty system being confusing to work out (with some methods of management including [[ViolationOfCommonSense missing powerups on purpose and DYING on purpose]]) and potentially cornering the player into an UnwinnableByDesign scenario if it is not managed properly.
* ''VideoGame/StarFoxZero'' has a [[SomeDexterityRequired very involved control scheme]] (to the point that the first thing that you see in the game, even before the title screen, is the tutorial sequence) that garnered this response from several professional reviewers who either didn't have the time to get used to them, or just couldn't be bothered. Of course, this is par for the course with anything done by Creator/PlatinumGames.


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* ''VideoGame/AlienIsolation'' got a 5.9/10 from IGN, stating that the Alien's unpredictable AI and it's ability to adapt to your strategies made the game too difficult, especially on hard. Unsurprisingly, this review got a ton of flak. What makes this a bit more jarring is that the reviewer mentioned dying because he made a sprint towards the Save Point, which is not very advisable in normal gameplay.
* ''VideoGame/TheEvilWithin'' got so many complaints about its high difficulty even on the Casual setting that Bethesda introduced a patch to tone it down, and the sequel adds in multiple AntiFrustrationFeatures to make it a more balanced and fair challenge.


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* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'': ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Radiant Dawn]]'' got a low review from Gamespot for being too hard and being too similar to the previous games. Although the same review flacks the game for [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lacking]] [[MinorInjuryOverreaction Mii]] [[UnpleasableFanbase support]], most do agree that Radiant Dawn is much harder than it needs to be; even the first chapter, typically a "get into the flow of things" segment of Fire Emblem games, is hard to surpass. It doesn't help that all the difficulty settings for the American release are one-notch higher than in Japan, making Normal to Hard, etc.
* The Conquest path of VideoGame/FireEmblemFates received a noticeably lower score than Birthright or Revelation from, yet again, Gamespot because it's too hard and doesn't let you grind.
* The classic ''VideoGame/XCOMUFODefense'' originally had a bug that meant the game was permanently stuck on the easiest difficulty. It was and is an awesome game, but the main complaint was that it was too easy. Developers (who hadn't yet discovered the bug) listened to the feedback, and ''VideoGame/XComTerrorFromTheDeep'' was much harder. As in, insanely hard: the game's easiest setting was as hard as the original's hardest setting. It should be noted that the reason the bug took so long to discover was that the original ''X-COM'' was ''already'' insanely hard.
** The more modern ''VideoGame/XCOM2'' received a 7.5 out of 10 from EGM. The reason for its lowered score being the technical issues and the game being incredibly difficult. [[InternetBacklash Fans were not happy.]]


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* A few of the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' games came under this. Although no reviewers ever said that the games were bad due to this reason, one of the complaints, or nit-picks, that a lot of reviewers had was that the games could sometimes be unforgiving. This was mainly attributed to ''Justice For All'' and ''Trials and Tribulations'' but was also a complaint of the first game, by some. Although most reviewers felt like the game wasn't unfair, they felt as though many parts required extremely sharp eyes and logic. This wasn't cited as so much of a problem in the first game due to the point-penalty system, but in the second and third games there are a number of parts where 50%, 80% and even 100% penalties are issued for single slip-ups, resulting in a good number of instant game over moments.