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alt title(s): Fan Haters; Dead Horse Entertainment; Not Allowed To Like It 
" Creed sucks! I hate you, and I hate the bands you like!"
To some people, there is only one thing worse than anything they consider So Bad Its Horrible; people actually liking it.
In a nutshell, a Fan Hater is someone in a Hatedom, who hates not only the work, but also the fans of that work.
The thing is that to these people, art is Serious Business, and they treat their enjoyment of art the way some people take to competitive gaming. If you like anything not up to their standards, they will either mock you, mock that thing in front of your face, or just go on a diatribe about why you shouldn't like that thing. A common term that Fan Haters are fond of using, is " Lowest Common Denominator".
As a work becomes more popular, the probability of such a group appearing approaches one. Today's media landscape seems to encourage this somewhat, because In A World where executives and producers seem to believe in Quality By Popular Vote, and because Ratings are so important in determining what keeps getting made and what gets cancelled, it's easy for fans of one thing that might be on the verge of getting canned to resent the people who are making another work so popular (and thus keeping it on the air), as they blame those fans for their own favorite work's misfortune.
But others seem to just want to rail against fans simply because they think it makes them superior. This group is comparable to Moral Guardians, only it's their own subjective tastes they are trying to guard. These kinds of people are a big reason for some people's mentality of He Panned It Now He Sucks: Fan Haters are always waiting for an opportunity to pounce, and even a single negative critical opinion of something is usually enough to "justify" their "this thing is bad and you should feel bad for liking it" rants. It also contributes to Complaining About People Not Liking The Show: because there are quite a few Fan Haters out there, some fans mistake an honest criticism of a work for Fan Hating and get very defensive.
It is a very odd phenomena, because after all, not everyone enjoys the same things. And maybe they just don't enjoy it for one reason or another, not because of their sexual orientation, not because of their intelligence, not because they're old or inexperienced, they just happen to like it. But chances are if you like something that's subject to fan haters, expect one of those comments to be thrown at you. It's incredibly rare to see someone who actually acknowledges that maybe you like different things because you're not mentally ill or homosexual or "haven't seen a 'true' something".
Of course actually being familiar with the works people aren't supposed to like is entirely optional.
Contrast the inverse, Complaining About People Not Liking The Show, where fans of a show will lambast you for not liking it. This activity has also been known to spawn Fan Haters, though in that case, the hate starts with the fans and spreads to the work. Also compare Tainted By The Fanbase, where you love the work but hate the fans. Also, when a fan likes the show, but is a Fan Hater toward a certain character on the show, it's a specific type of Fan Dumb known as The Hate Monger.
Be warned some may pretend to be fan haters, but are in fact Trolls, which is even worse.
A Sub Trope of both Hatedom and Opinion Myopia.
Due to past messes, please avoid Take That statements, flame bait, "This Troper" blurbs, and redundancy.
Common forms of this trope:
Websites specializing in Fan Hating (and Hatedom):
Works known to attract Fan Haters:
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Anime and Manga
- Look in the right spots (4chan, Deviant ART, and ED are a good start) and you'll find a strong and cheerful hatred of people they call weeaboos - and for that matter, Japanese culture as a whole. While they often claim to only be targeting people who take their anime fandom "too far", the definition of "taking it too far" can range from crying to God about not being born a citizen of glorious Nippon, to enjoying partaking in subtitled anime to mentioning you like to eat sushi. Naturally, this also leads to massive trolling of anime fans from people who strangely see nothing wrong with obsessing all day over other people's obsessions.
- Also expect to be read the riot act about how the Japanese society is the most evil culture on earth and be repeatedly lectured on the Rape of Nanking and how you watching Sailor Moon with subtitles indicates your agreement with it.
- Magical Girls, especially the Sentai Magic Warrior variety. Yes, we are watching shows mainly targeted at kids (unless it's My-HiME or Nanoha, but people will say it anyway). Yes, we know we will never be awakened ourselves. No, they aren't all Sailor Moon ripoffs, actually.
- Sailor Moon itself often gets slammed and so do it's fans for liking it.
- Even within the Sailor moon fanbase fans of the original enjoy insulting fans of the dub. This happens in many series but Sailor Moon is especially bad due to the wide exposure of the English dub and the extensive Macekre of the original- in several languages.
- Amongst anime fans you will often get criticized for reading Shonen Manga or watching the Animated Adaptation of a popular Shonen Manga. Liking it does not make you someone with no taste in anything or mentally retarded, it just means a Shonen manga just speaks to you and encourages you to keep turning the page or watching the next episode.
- Gundam, As far as the fanbase is concerned, you must love the Universal Century series like Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta Gundam, and hate the Alternate Universes. Or vice versa.
- The anime series Lucky Star. Recommending it or announcing that you like it on the Game FA Qs board "Life, the Universe and Everything" may as well be punishable by a usermap axe.
- There are two camps of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann fans. One camp constantly claims it's the best thing ever while repeating ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH and other things in capslock. The other camp wants to murder them in the most violent and demented ways imaginable.
- Suzumiya Haruhi is building one up. Having some obnoxious fans helps too. Honestly, most antagonists aren't saying "Haruhi sucks and you suck for liking it", they're saying "Dumb fans suck and Haruhi sucks for having dumb fans".
- Actually, alot are starting to say Haruhi sucks, in addition to the ones that have been doing it for a long time. It's mere presence feels like an insult to longtime fans who hate the approach of japan toward anime today, i.e too many pointless comedies instead of epic storylines that don't require sex appeal (Mikuru Asahina, that's all you to know) to sell.
- Let's not forget MUGEN people too, there is a strong divide against people who intentionally overpower Haruhi because she is a god in her own show. Lots of videos of people kicking the crap out of Haruhi surface on youtube (as well as the other way around).
- Don't mention you actually like Pokémon; the anime in general and movies too for that matter. It has been called the absolute worst things that we as humans have ever created. One reviewer on IMDB said the first movie was worse than any movie shown on Mystery Science Theater 3000. A reviewer of the anime gave it a negative infinity out of ten.
- Despite being the grand daddy of all mecha musume works, speaking of either of Shimada Humikane's works (Sky Girls and Strike Witches) will get you flamed in some popular image boards.
- Neon Genesis Evangelion deserves an honorable mention in this trope. It seems to draw extreme cases of love or hate, often fueled by the fact that the main character is a total pansy, that people feel the Mecha themselves were unnecessary to the plot, that it attempts too hard to go into Mindscrew territory, or all of the above. Conversely, telling a die-hard fan you find Evangelion to be just 'okay' or anything other than the best series ever produced may get you neutered, or worse.
- You don't like Axis Powers Hetalia for the history in-jokes or just because it's funny. You like it because you're a shallow Yaoi Fangirl and you don't care about World History being Serious Business.
- "Naruto". If there are three or more people near you, one of them will bring up the orange jumpsuit.
- To quote a youtube user, "Naruto is only liked by 12 year old Emo fags on E" This is a pretty common sentiment.
- So much as mention that you don't hate Sasuke from Naruto on some naruto discussion forum, and you are automatically a squealing fangirl who only likes him because he's emo and cute. No, it's not possible that you genuinely care about the character. You are a squealing fangirl and must be burned at stake.
- YesYu-Gi-Oh! had a fanbase before the abridged series came out. Though it doesn't visibly show to most, the creator of the Abridged series has said in an interview that he loves Yu-Gi-Oh.
- If you happen to be a fan of Yu-Gi-Oh GX you have to deal with two kinds of detractors - the ones who hate Yu-Gi-Oh and the ones within the fandom itself, who disliked the different protagonist and setting. Heaven help you if you voice your support of the series on certain forums where it is billed as the worst show to have ever existed or as the cancer which killed YGO. You'd be called an idiot with no taste or far worse.
- ...and now the same thing is happening to fans of Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's. Fans of it get the two kinds of hate displayed above as well as being told how stupid card games on moterbikes is. Because that's all that the show is about. Just ignore the plot.
- Go to any "serious" Anime forum and say you thought Digimon was great. Or, even if you're among other fans, Mentioning you prefer Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02 over Digimon Tamers is grounds for a flaming as well.
- And the reversal, as well.
- No mention of Digimon Frontier? Go on, go to ANY Digimon forum and say that you liked it, I dare you. For extra fun, ask just how many of the subsequent flamers have actually seen it.
- Anime fans who have high standards of anime in regards to demanding no changes during localization aren't amused with the fans who aren't nearly as Serious Business. On the flipside, anime fans that complain about genuinely bad translations will be smeared as "whiny" purists.
- Go someplace in the presence of Season 1 Robotech fans, and say you prefer the original version of Macross and the other Japanese entries of the franchise, they will out you as a weeaboo and burn you at the stake. HEAVEN HELP YOU if you mention you like Macross 7. Then again, stating as much as liking Do You Remember Love? and voicing concern that Macek making Robotech: The Movie and preventing DYRL from getting a proper release in America or Britain, will get you a VERY through flaming.
- And of Macross fans themselves are far worse about this to Robotech fans.
- If you like Code Geass, then you're either a Yaoi Fangirl who's only in it for the FABULOUS bishies, or a complete idiot who ignores the shitty trainwreck writing just to watch the increasingly stupid plot twists.
- Naruto fans think One Piece fans have no idea what real action is and don't appreciate any genuine drama. One Piece fans think Naruto fans are obnoxious 13-year old weaboos who have no sense of originality. And both like to call each other out on their show being historically inaccurate on ninjas/pirates, despite both being set in an entirely fictional universes. Both are also plagued by "True" anime fans who worship stuff like Akira and Studio Ghibli films in a way that can be compared to a religion.
- The fact alone that this is Pirates vs Ninjas makes this one hilarious, however.
- Bleach just mention it on anime forums and haters will bash you for liking a decaying retarded... show that is not better than sh*t and those who like it should mature, the autor Kubo is nothing more of a Troll who does not know how to write a good story.
- For that matter just mention Orihime and you got the same results.
Comic Books
- Comic books are for kids and immature geeks with power fantasies. In no way can it ever be considered at the same level as True Art or Literature.
- The Sandman #40, written by Neil Gaiman, won a World Fantasy Award for best short work. They then made it so that no comic book could win the award ever again. This did not effect Mr. Gaiman's prize (which was for short fiction) and in no way prevents any other comic from receiving any award from the WFC they qualify for.
- Subsequently the WFC has stated: "Comics are eligible in the Special Award Professional category. We never made a change in the rules." Which seems to be a roundabout way of saying "yes, we did change the rules, but we don't count that since we didn't exclude it entirely, we just put it into a different category." The Sandman #40 had won as short fiction, not as Special Award. Depending on your POV, though, this might not count as a slight against comics, merely a way to make sure that prose competes with prose, rather than work in other media.
- In other words, they did the exact opposite of what they're accused of. The rules didn't properly cover comics to begin with and they felt the need to fill in the gap.
- If you live in North America and like Disney comics, you are, as Don Rosa once put it, a pariah.
- In the comic fandom, stating that you're not a fan of very 'dark or edgy' comics will get you painted as a childish whiner who can't stand anything that isn't kitten or rainbows. However, saying that you are a fan of dark and edgy comics will label you as an immature misanthrope who hates adventure and heroism.
- Liking the World Of Warcraft or Star Wars comics will get your sexual orientation insulted as well as the "lol you love World Of Warcraft/SW you're an idiot" comments.
Fanfiction
- Mentioning an interest of enjoyment of fanfiction outside of fanfic circles will get you labeled a pervert, even if you don't like Yaoi.
- For that matter, liking yaoi in general (or at least select pairings). Oy. We're not all offensive, squealing fangirls who hate all female characters! I swear!
- Conversely, if you mention that you don't like reading yaoi, or even that you prefer a certain het pairing to a slash pairing involving one of the same individuals, you are a narrow-minded homophobe.
- Expect to be asked, "why're you making a story that is full of original characters and is therefore In Name Only to the franchise it's based off of?" Nevermind that some "spinoffs" such as Daria rather fit that category.
Film
- Fans of Michael Bay movies, or at least those who don't think his movies are impossible to follow, are often more or less accused of having ADHD, or of being schmucks who would cheer at anything with explosions.
- Genuinely liking any movie featured on MST3K or one of the many Alternate DVD Commentary sites based off of it is a sure way to get you mocked in their forums.
- Woe to the person who goes to those forums and claims that Roger Corman made some respectable and entertaining films.
- When a classically trained and talented actor happens to be very attractive and becomes a sex symbol or heartthrob, it is automatically assumed that his entire fanbase consists of shallow, stupid girls who are ruled by their vaginas. Naturally, any opinion expressed that is in any way positive toward the actor's performances, philanthropy or religion is immediately written off as fangirl squeeing, as it is immediately assumed that the only reason they praise him is because they think he's hot.
- Along these lines, if any of these fans are not impressed with the girlfriend or wife of said heartthrob and dare to say so, they are automatically assumed to be dangerous psychotics at worst and fat, manless old ladies with 50 cats at best. In all cases, they are written off as being "just jealous."
- You don't even have to be a Tom Cruise fan, you just dare to mention he's a fine actor, people will pin you for everything including supporting scientology.
- Likwise you don't even have to be a fan of J. Lo, you just think she's an okay singer and isn't that bad of an actress. If you do - prepare for the worst.
- If you dislike all the Star Wars movies and related merchandise, so long as you are polite in delivering your opinion, most fans will be courteous to you, after all, sci-fi is not for everyone. Tell a Star Wars fan that you prefer the prequels to the original trilogy, however, and you're in for a world of pain.
- Books versus their Film adaptations tend to get both sides (or really, any film adaptation). On one hand, you have the purists that proclaim the movies unholy sins because they can't use every scene, on the other you have those that claim the books had too many boring parts and the movies were Adaptation Distillation.
- Don't admit to liking the first Dungeons And Dragons movie, ever.
- Fans of giant monster movies (Particulary Godzilla and Gamera) Yes, we know the lips don't match the sound when they talk. Yes, we know they're just people in costumes destroying model buildings and planes. We KNOW! Now shut up and let us enjoy the movies.
- Speaking of which, try admitting to the above that you enjoyed the 1997 American Godzilla film, or even just the monster Zilla.
- Go on to any film forum and say you like the movies of Aaron Seltzer and Jason Friedberg. If you're strung up by your legs and gutted in front of the baying masses that yell "EVIL!" at the top of their lungs, you've gotten off light.
- Anyone who puts anywhere in print that they honestly liked Uwe Boll movies, and "Don't see the problem with his work." Then again, people would likely think said person is just a troll, and/or pity them.
- If you like John Woo and other gunplay movies, you obviously need it explained to you that real gunfights aren't like that, and you should be watching Heat instead.
- Ditto for James Bond fans, who need to be reminded constantly that Spies Do Not Work That Way.
- You like Dragon Ball Evolution, or believe that it isn't as bad as everyone says? You'll be on the receiving end of a Kamehameha. Just look up the movie's tie-in game's board on GameFAQS if you need further proof.
- Do you like the following Robin Williams films: Patch Adams? What Dreams May Come? Bicentennial Man? RV? Then prepare to be flamed into oblivion because you like sentimental crap and/or dumb family movies, and you should watch his dark films, which is the only really good stuff he's ever done. Because heaven forbid you like to see films that make you smile and warm your heart, and not your childhood idol stalking a family, or worse *
Not that those films are bad, they are quite good, but still, not the sort of thing you want to associate with The Genie .
- Feel like being the target of unbridled gamer rage and want to be told that you need to die? Admit you liked the film version of a video game. Want to experience the sick sensation that if s/he could, this person would find you and actually harm you? Admit you never played it.
Literature
- Women who read romance novels are considered to be just a step above nerds. If you read about sex, it is impossible to actually have any.
- If the hero's an Indian, you're also a racist. (Actually, that one's the Distaff Counterpart to the Asian fetish, so...)
- Like Twilight? Then you are nothing but a lonely, fat, squealy 12 year old
who will never get a boyfriend and you have no standards or anything, one of millions that need to be mass-murdered. It's going on even in this very wiki; just look at the Natter and the history of the Twilight page to see the massive number of edits.
- Hell, even if you aren't a fan of the books but don't think it's worth all the hatred its received, and you express any sentiments towards the Twilight series that is not complete and utter contempt, you might as well give up hope right there.
- And if you like Twilight, you are not allowed to like Harry Potter, and vice versa. No exceptions.
- After the Stephen King "event," some die-hard fans of Twilight have decided to defend Meyer and call Stephen King an old man who doesn't understand true literature and whose books are too unpopular to be good. Now try being a Stephen King fan.
- Better yet, be a fan of a lesser-known Stephen King book like the Dark Tower series, and the Twilight fans will use that against you.
- Extra credit points for being a fan of a book like The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon or The Eyes of the Dragon. You know, the books even Stephen King's Fan Dumb says are his weaker works and hate you for liking them over Carrie or The Shining.
- This is especially funny when you realize that Stephen King was essentially praising Meyer. He said she was doing the right thing by teaching young women about love but she needed to improve her writing. And the fans are pissed about valid constructive criticism! That can't possibly backfire on them in any way.
- Anyone who thinks that the Sword Of Truth series isn't the worst garbage produced by the human race is flamed.
- Eight years ago, Harry Potter fans were stereotyped as seven-year-olds who wanted to be wizards. More recently, the media seems to have switched to portraying Harry Potter fans as your typical nerdy losers, who, of course, are all male. Yeah, right.
- Be prepared for a SERIOUS bashing in online fandom if you dislike Snape, enjoyed the last two books, or didn't mind the epilogue. If you don't find JK Rowling a talentless hack who sold out her fans for money and fame, just shoot yourself now.
- Terry Pratchett has famously said (paraphrased): "According to the Media people who read my books are 14 year old boys named Kevin. Any librarian and teacher will tell you that someone who's getting 14 year old boys to read DESERVES a medal."
- If you read Dan Brown novels, you're obviously a gullible idiot who believes all the false scientific and historical information in his books. Oh, so you find them suspenseful and exciting even though you realize most of his books are filled with bullcrap? Then you're obviously too dumb to realize he uses the same plot in every single book!
- He does reuse the same plot, or add to the plot, but a lot of writers reuse the same plot elements and themes like Dan Brown. (Even Stephen King, Nora Roberts/JD. Robb, Ursula Le Guin, Terry Pratchett, and Neil Gaiman.)
- Don't read a book that appeared on Oprah's list or that Oprah Winfrey advertised. You are a feminist or just buying into masses. Never mind that several books she endorsed actually WEREN'T Feminist or were pretty obscure until she endorsed them.
- I have a list of books (recommended by my favorite English teacher) that I'm slowly going through. One of the books on the list was a book that had recently been endorsed by Oprah and the cheapest book I could by had her sticker on it. I had to scratch it off to avoid being teased by everyone.
- Don't buy a book that you got from the "Teen" section because no matter how entertaining they are, you are buying a simplified version of something else.
- But some are given a free pass - Anything by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett is for all ages, it seems. (Even though many of them are placed in the "teen" section simply because they are written and published so that people with vision problems or at a 7th grade reading level can read them. Even "Alice in Wonderland" is often placed in the Teen section)
- If you like fantasy books then you are a D&D nerd who refuses to read anything intelligent, instead favouring one-dimensional characters and recycled adventure plots. Never mind that many fantasy readers are also fans of Science Fiction books, which leads us to our NEXT Example....
- If you like to read Science fiction books, then you are a trekkie, a Star Wars fan boy, or someone who scorns fun and embraces books that are unreadable to people who are not Political Science, Philosophy, or Quantum Physics majors. Never mind that a LOT of books aren't pretentious messages sent in novel form and are actually meant to just write an interesting setting like any other novel universe, and actually AREN'T clogged with politics, philosophy and jargon.
- There's also the school of thought that claims that science fiction and fantasy are considered fun and diverting but not "serious" literature, a title reserved for literature set in the real world and focusing on relationships and characterization, as well as parallels to the real world. Presumably, however, this is part of a different tradition of fan haters who consider anything involving action adventure or straightforward, black-and-white conflict to be inferior or directed at kids, and tangentially consider SF/F to be part of that group because their experience of it consists mainly of Star Wars/Lord of the Rings.
- Some science fiction fans hold that opinion about fantasy, claiming that- for example- Asimov tackled the "Big Questions" while all fantasy is escapist and cliched. Oddly enough, these people don't seem to differentiate between High and Low fantasy or Hard and Soft sci-fi.
- Trek-KER. They're called trek-KERS.
- Even those who enjoy classic literature like Shakespeare or Tennyson or Wordsworth or Dickens can be considered pretentious academics or english majors who got a degree in literary criticism because it was an easy "A", and write papers spouting meaningless babble. Nothing is immune.
- In addition to, if you admit to liking the Leonardo Di Caprio version of Romeo and Juliet, even as a guilty pleasure, prepare to be flamed by Shakespeare purists.
- If you read "Classic" literature then you are a pretentious english major or a geek.
- Conversely, if you read anything but Classic Literature, you are a lowbrow, uneducated member of the lowest common denominator.
- If you are a male and are caught reading a romance novel, run for the border.
- So you like ''And Then There Were None''. Fair enough. But if you dare think the ending in the play and various movie adaptations is better than the book (or at the very least, thinking the ending is just as good as the book's ending), or if you commit the ultimate blasphemy by saying you actually think Philip Lombard and Vera Claythorne make a great couple, may God have mercy on your wretched soul.
- Like HP Lovecraft ? Well you are a satanic weirdo who can't Differentiate between reality and fiction.
- I've never encountered this. In my experience, most people who aren't fans have no idea who HP Lovecraft is.
- If you have ever read Eragon and enjoyed even a fraction of it, then you are a drooling, illiterate adult child who will never be able to appreciate decent literature. Even mention that you think Brisingr wasn't that bad and you are a shameless apologist for a series that has already descended into a steaming pile of ho yay and Sueitude.
Live Action TV
- If you like anything with a laugh track, you're a blithering moron, or at best one of the unwashed masses with no taste. Seinfeld and Frasier have managed to withstand this perception.
- Abandon all hope of coolness, all ye who admit to liking American Idol singers, other than Carrie Underwood or Kellie Clarkson.
- If you're not a Strawman Conservative, you're obligated to bash 1950s Sit Coms for being unnaturally idealistic on the Sliding Scale Of Idealism Versus Cynicism.
- There exists a subset of Doctor Who fans who have devoted themselves to criticizing the new series and its fans because it is different from the old one. Because of the increased emotional content of the new series, the new series fans are often dismissed as being hyperactive teenage girls who squee whenever David Tennant appears on screen. Similarly, another subset of Doctor Who fans adores the new series and tears into the old one and its fans equally savagely. Classic series fans become emotionally stunted nerds who can't appreciate any kind of television that was produced after 1976. And then there's the fans who despise the new series, yet aren't particularly fond of the old series, and seem to base their criticism of both eras (which, you'll have noted, consists pretty much the entirety of the show) on some ideal Doctor Who that doesn't actually exist outside of their own imagination. And that's not even touching all the Expanded Universe material. Doctor Who fans, you may have noticed, are bloody weird.
- Star Trek. Trekkies are fat nerds who dress like Klingons and wallpaper their mothers' basements with blueprints of the Enterprise. Entire movies, such as Galaxy Quest and the documentary Trekkies are built on this perception. Shatner famously shouted, "Get a life!" at stereotypical Trekkies in an SNL sketch, and later used this quote as a title for a book in which he ironically backed off on his condescension. Likewise, a frustrated Nimoy titled his autobiography I Am Not Spock, only to write a later book titled I Am Spock.
- If you like any sort of Reality TV, at all, you are automatically considered a moron who can't rub two brain cells together to save their life, regardless of what the show is about. Double points if the haters also use the same "You know it's not real reality television, right?" argument on you that fan haters against wrestling and stage magic.
- Watching Big Brother is like telling some people that you are profoundly retarded.
- The 2008 revival/continuation of Knight Rider. To avoid burning in the flames of hate, you must prefer the original 1982 series, or hate the franchise as a whole. Run and hide if you like both old and new. And God help you if you think that new is better than old.
- In the 80's, if you watched Murder She Wrote, you were an old spinster.
- In the 80's, if you watched Matlock, you're just old, as portrayed in The Simpsons.
- Soap Operas. Not only is there the "if you're watching soaps, you're either a housewife or gay" opinion, but within the fandom itself: You must like the soaps of decades past, but not the soaps of today. If you like any new characters (that aren't Legacy Characters), You Suck.
- If you like Red Dwarf past series 2,3,5 or 6 you're an tasteless isiot according to at least one section of the fan community.
- If you watch the Fox News Channel, you're an idiot or a redneck.]
- And if you don't like it, you're a dirty liberal tool with no values.
- Just try to admit that you have any sort of affection for the 2007 Flash Gordon series on IM Db. Even three years later, there are still irrate fans of the original movie who continue to drag up bad reviews and refuse to answer why on Earth they continue to do so when the series is over and done with.
- There's a very sizable iCarly fan community on the internet, but beware mentioning the show outside that community or you'll be labeled a little kid or a pedophile.
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- According to most mainstream media, all sci-fi/fantasy fans are lame, Always Male losers who wallow in their mother's basements, have no social skills, and no life.
- This stereotype is apparently Made Of Iron too, since the last few decades have seen science fiction shows going from a small subculture to claiming a significant portion of every entertainment medium in popular culture. There is a certain irony to the people who profess openly to enjoying numerous sci-fi series and movies and yet still consider people who say they enjoy the genre itself to be lonely shut-in basement dwellers.
- Stick around any forum for any type of entertainment and you're bound to see at least one post from someone chastising the posters for spending so much time talking about the subject of the forum when there are so many more important things going on in real world. It obviously doesn't occur to this person that the fans are discussing this "more important" world event on a forum where it would not be off topic.
- And gods forbid it's a forum/community that has the option of buying items with real money. It's LUNACY to buy pixel items with real money!
- This is more or less the entirety of the "Genre wars". Take a genre of anything. Music, books, TV, movies, games, animation, art, anything. If you pick any side in any of those fandoms to align yourself with, then there is most definitely a 100% chance you also have to hate something and people who are a fan of that fandom. There is no exception outside of Team Switzerland, and those people are depressingly rare.
- And this even happens WITHIN fandoms as well!!! Take one look at the example below and others in this page!
- Fans of any of the major sci-fi and fantasy franchises have to hate all the other ones. For example, you can't be a fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars, or of Harry Potter and The Lord Of The Rings. Examples of this perception include the debate between Lord of the Rings and Star Wars in Clerks 2. In an episode of South Park, kids playing "Lord of the Rings" stumble across kids playing "Harry Potter" and call them fags. In the famous Star Wars edition of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, Triumph has a man dressed as Spock flip off the Star Wars fans, who jeer him in return.
- If you think drawn or CGI-rendered characters are hot, it doesn't matter if you just think they're attractive or beautiful, or are to the point that you're in love with them. You'll either be told to get a significant other or to go look at real porn.
- Do not bring up any affiliation you have with the Furry Fandom, do not bring up the Furry Fandom in a manner that is not negative. Even the neutral "I leave them alone if they leave me alone" folks will not be spared from the tempest — you are not permitted to leave them alone. The furry fandom is simply the most-often bashed among the fetishist community, more mainstream fetishists such as BDSM practioners tend to get overlooked in the rush to kill all the furries. Fetishes that invoke similar reactions include, but are not limited to: vore, scat, vomiting, Anal evacuations, and tentacle porn.
- Adult Babies/Diaper Lovers are mentally retarded pedophiles who are into scat. It doesn't help that the "babyfur" fanbase is so vocal that even some AB/DL's think the fetish is related to furry.
- Within the Furry Fandom, expect to get ragged on for liking any specific art trends or fetishes. If you like "Cub" art or "Diaperfurs", then you should never ever ever go into any forums at all. You will be thrown into a pile of acid.
- Anybody who has ever watched anything animated is sure to be told at some point that they're too old to watch that, since it's for kids and therefore valueless.
- Anime has it both ways, with those who think it's stupid and others who think it's the only animation anyone should watch.
- If you go on 4chan, you're not allowed to use other imageboards. Ever.
- Various boards on 4chan itself will earn you the scorn of posters on the other boards. EVERYONE hates /b/tards and /v/irgins.
- The tripfag/namefag v. anonymous arguments go on viciously to this day, and, it must be said, speak right to the fundamental nature of the boards.
- Never mention that you go on 4Chan in the deviantART forums. Or anywhere on the site. It's pretty much grounds for an instant - and permanant - ban.
- Similarly, if you're in a non-4chan message board or chatroom and you get caught using anything that even remotely resembles a 4chan meme, you'll be told to GTFO and go back to 4chan. It doesn't matter if the rest of your post is meaningful and mature; all of that is moot.
- In a related vein, just try going to any web site's forums and tell them you like 4chan. Cue everyone thinking you are a racist troll who would push his own grandmother down the stairs for a laugh. Never mind that that only represents the demographic on one part of one board on 4chan out of 44.
- ...Unless you actually visit all of them. /b/ has its influence everywhere in there.
- If you have a weird fetish online (Lolicon/Shotacon, for example), you automatically would act it out in real life. NO EXCEPTIONS.
- And even if you wouldn't, you're a sick, sick individual who needs to be tossed into an insane asylum.
- Similarly, if you are over 18 and live in a Western nation, you have absolutely no right to compliment on an underage person (fictional or non-fictional)'s cuteness or attractiveness. You'll be automatically labeled a pedophile.
- And by underage, it's usually interpreted as up to and including 17 years, 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 44.999 seconds old. Even if the age of consent in your jurisdiction is actually 16 or 17.
- Back when the Pit of Voles
 had its own articles about how to write fanfiction, one about flaming revealed that, according to one flame, a Shota Con must involve an underage boy with older girls, while an underage boy with any sort of homoerotic feelings (even toward boys his age) is Yaoi. Needless to say, Shota Con was morally superior to Yaoi. Yes, that's right: Female pedophilia targeting males is more moral than male homosexuality, in the minds of rabid straight Shota Con fanboys.
- Never mind that current Image Boards consider Shota Con homosexual by default, and had to introduce the term "straight shota" for the het version...
- There is an ongoing tween war between fans of Miley Cyrus and the alliance of Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato, particularly online with the GIFT coming into play as well as the cattiness of twelve-year-olds. The best example of said war on Youtube is in the comment thread on this video, though more over-the-top examples probably could be found.
- Gomez's recurring role on Hannah Montana as a rival pop star who hates Hannah probably doesn't help this.
- Do you like a plot with dark themes or a character depressed over something? The you're just an emo obsessed with Darker And Edgier wangst who needs to go out and get some more sun.
- And if you like Lighter And Fluffier stories, insert gay joke here or a rant about true art being angsty.
- You can't appreciate both. If you say you do, you don't have any taste or can't form you own "opinions."
- If you go on any Nostalgia Critic video and admit to liking whatever he bashed that week, your comment will be down-rated to oblivion. This also applies to any other video on his site - since he started hosting The Spoony Experiment, anyone arguing with Spoony's conclusions related to the games he rants about are similarly downrated.
- Crosses over with Fan Dumb - they're internet personalities, they can never be wrong!
- Nostalgia Critic lampshades the above statement in his LOTR Animated vs. LOTR video.
- If you like Asian ball-jointed dolls, let alone collect them, you are automatically labelled an overgrown nine-year-old weeaboo who wasn't hugged enough as a child. And has been mentally stunted to the point where you "play with Barbies". Not to your taste? Then you're clearly a freakish hugely overweight 40-year-old basement dweller who likes making and photographing Uncanny Valley yaoi pornography with your $1000-dollar cabinet babies. And apparently all dolls look like gay children. Or Uncanny Valley jailbait. Even if that doll in question is built like Solid Snake.
- Sub vs. dub wars. No matter what language you want to listen to your anime or video games in, it's WRONG. It's also wrong to expect a dual-language option at all - because the mere existence of an alternative is an insult. If you watch stuff in English, you're too stupid to read or appreciate anything that hasn't been sanitized for your feeble mind. If you're watching in Japanese with subtitles, you're a weaboo that can't be bothered to learn Japanese (because you must be able to learn another language in its entirety to appreciate it) or appreciate watching something in your own language. To complete the madness, if you dare to say that you prefer to view stuff in the original Japanese with no subtitles, then you either don't actually know Japanese and are too shallow to care that you don't understand the dialogue, or else you are fluent in Japanese and are an elitist who wants to keep it out of the hands of anybody who doesn't understand Japanese as well as yourself.
- Amongst geek circles, fans who don't like a new version of something will be derisively called "purists" and be portrayed as manic, unhappy fanboys who irrationally hate the new show, instead of fans having legitimate or unbiased reasons for their dislike. Meanwhile, fans that do like the new version of something will be derisively called noobs (even if they're familiar with the original) or sheep that can't understand the spirit. Both of these issues really just stem from extreme versions of purists and noobs trolling whatever media they're involved in relentlessly.
- If you draw in any style but super-realistic, it obviously means you have never seen another human being and will never develop as an artist. You're probably also childish and/or just mimicing that style to get more pageviews on Deviant Art. Drawing an artstyle is also copying...despite that any artstyle is copying something, if anything, Realistic art is the most copying-artstyle. Just take a look outside...looks just like you copied the landscape huh?
- If you draw "Anime", then you are just copying and isn't art. You also love yaoi and worship garbage and are a girl (because girls aren't real artists!).
- Draw Abstract art? Then you're just nothing but a Picasso wannabe or someone who throws random colours and scribbles on a piece of paper and calls it "art".
- Draw realistic? Then you are pretentious and are the incarnate of Stop Having Fun Guys. Or you're focusing too much on technique and should lay back.
- Submit a photograph to an artsite? Then what are you doing Photo-Dumping on a site made specifically for ART?
- You used Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro or any art program on any computer? Then you are using Art for dummies and n00bs because REAL artists didn't have computers.
- Never mind that "Real" artists didn't have erasers, scanners, and many other things available today.
- Fan art is NOT art. No matter how good it is, you are just copying.
- The Real Is Brown, Angst Aversion and general hate of the "Emo" and "goth" subclique act of 2006 clearly forbids anyone from engaging in the act of either enjoying and/or drawing "Dark" art. Violation of this act will result in severe castigation including the "Emo" and "Fag" flags and other such nasty punishments.
- Pixel art or Sprites are just cardboard cutouts that you do not actually draw, and if you do pixel art at all you should stop playing weeaboo video games and get off Gaia. While the "You do not actually draw" is true to some extent (Flamers, make sure you read the words "to some extent") for sprite edits and splices, Pixel art is almost entirely done from scratch and there indeed exist plenty of user-made custom sprites that are made from scratch like pixel art. Plus, a lot of sprite haters did not even know that even some sprites that were based on some pre-existing ones have been customized and modified and added upon so much they might as well have been custom sprites anyways. To top it off, amongst the Spriting communities, people who had based their sprites off of existing ones were often looked down upon.
- If your sprites were based off of Sonic the Hedgehog or even resembled it, then you were a Fireball20xl fanboy and had stolen sprites from Psyguy, on top of being a Sonic fanboy who was of little more worth than a shit encrusted penny found on the bottom of a hummer.
- Having a Megaman-based sprite meant you were a Bob and George Fanboy who more or less recoloured a megaman sprite and called it original. Especially painful for people who did not even know of Bob and George or even thought it was any good until someone told them they were a Bob and George fanboy....
- And if you had a Final Fantasy sprite, then that was like wearing a "Hi I'm an 8 bit theatre fanboy!"-tee shirt.
- Having a Yoshi sprite meant you were a Nintendo fanboy.
- You were not allowed to have an 8 bit sprite. Even if you made it for a comic spoofing 8 bit and worse video games, you were a lazy bum who didn't wanna learn how to shade or make a proper 16-bit and better sprite.
- You were a Mother fanboy and lazy if you had an Earthbound sprite.
- And if you have a maple story or gaia sprite...then well you are a weeaboo...who didn't make it himself...who ripped it all from a paper doll.....and more.
- Drawing sprites yourself made people think you were pretentious or had a big ego...of course some people like this who either edited the hell out of a set of sprites to the point where they were unrecognizable or drew them theirselves were often fitting of this stereotype.
- In the world of Sprites, if you used Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop as opposed to MS Paint, then it was supposedly "like killing a fly with a pistol". Although this backlash ceased in more recent years, even though quite a bit of people would still often draw in MS Paint and then colour in photoshop, eg using both.
- And then there are people who will belittle if you, god forbid, use MS Paint to draw. Apparently, the program is only used by people who don't know how to draw or are too poor/cheap to get "real" art programs or tools. Don't even think about using Paint's curve tool to get neat lines. You'll just be dubbed as someone who traces and can't draw freehand.
- Methods of drawing are also a prime target of haters. Didn't bother to shade a drawing or actually mirrored a part of an image? You're pretty much an art scrub for not putting in as much detail as the other guys.
- If you like Lego you cannot like Megabloks, any brick based building toy that isn't made by LEGO is the devil and it's name a replacement swear.
- Think back to when you were growing up...if you were a boy and played with stuff like toy kitchens, some action figures (That were flagged as "Dolls"), or anything that wasn't considered a "Boy's toy", then you were clearly screwed up in the head and would have to go through rehabilitation to introduce you to boy toys like Army Men and GI Joe and toy weapons. Other boys would call you "Girly" and treat you like you spat AIDS if you were caught playing with that kinda stuff.
- Likewise, girls who would play with Army Men, Toy weapons, GI Joes and Lego-type toys would be called "Tomboys" and would often be put through rehabilitation to make them play with barbies and toy kitchens. They often received this from other girls mostly, since a lotta girls could avoid the "You shouldn't play with THAT, you're a girl!"-backlash from adults.
- And if you were a boy, playing with a Barbie doll and not doing stuff like blowing them up or setting them on fire was a crime comparable to scamming half the nation of their life savings.
- And to contrast with the above topic...Buying "Gender Oriented" toys like a barbie doll or GI Joe action figure for your children to some people is like you're getting them addicted to Methamphetamine.
- Don't let genuine servicemen catch you engaging in re-enactments or airsoft or charges of 'Walting' will ensue. If you are a genuine serviceman and engage in either, you will be ostracised.
- Using Windows will get you called a sellout to Bill Gates or other such nasty things, including gamer stereotypes, and are quick to ignore how a gaming PC can be used for all sorts of non-gaming functions. Using a Macintosh will get you called some pretentious hippy who wasted a lot of money, nevermind that Macs are rather famous for being able to practically take them out of the box and use them right away. Linux, however gets both, but Macintosh users are more prone to being mocked. Then you get people who use both, all six of us, who are mocked for "not committing" or "not realizing that this is better and you wasted money."
- And Gods help you if you mention that you are happy using all three.
Music
- Music gets plenty of this; any fan of a Dead Horse Genre will be zeroed in on:
- '80s music gets criticism from both the "trendies" who think that one should listen to only new music and the "elitists" who think that '80s music is inferior to '60s and '70s music.
- This happened while the '80s were still going on; you either listened to bubblegum pop, make-out synths, experimental, metal, or Second Invasion stuff (The Police, The Jam, The Cure, etc). The metal fans and the Brit-rock fans loathed each other, everyone looked down on the pop/synth fans, and the experimentalists were either a bunch of tech-obsessed losers with no sense of rhythm and/or humour or the only people actually trying anything new, depending on who you talk to.
- Led Zeppelin fans and Linkin Park fans both seem to think that liking one completely excludes you from liking the other.
- In the UK, people who are really into Drum 'n' Bass shun the most popular Drum 'n' Bass group, Pendulum, and those who are into them. In fact, in some Electro/Drum 'n' Bass Clubs in the UK, if you request Pendulum the DJ will probably tell you to fuck off.
- Claim to like My Chemical Romance, and the chances are you're liable to be called an emo. Say that you like Pendulum, and odds are somebody will call you a chav. But say that you like a progressive band like Camel, and people will just stare at you in total disgust.
- Say you like Hammerfall to certain extreme metal fans and the reaction you get is something along the lines of "Oh My God! How dare you claim to like this crap! This isn't real metal! This is frilly girly shit!"
- For that matter, try telling an old-school or extreme metal fan that Korn, Disturbed, Linkin Park, System of a Down, etc. even are metal. And good luck admitting you like Dragon Force.
- If you happen to like anything that has achieved some sort of mainstream success or involves more than three chords and a guitar, you might as well have just sold your soul to Satan.
- Apparently, electronic music (such as trance, techno which all electronic music is not, and house) is not real music, because it's made on a computer.
- On a related note, BGM to video games, or video game "music" in general. If you mostly listen to it, you are in a lot of trouble.
- Rap music is also popularly classified as not music, because it's just poetry set to some background music.
- Of course, you're considered quite lucky if they call it "just poetry with background music". Other definitions are not as tasteful.
- If you intend to mention you like J-Pop/J-Rock AND Kanye West, be prepared to duck bricks from two different directions (three if you get lucky and bump into a J-Rock fan with a hate-on for J-Pop). Never mind that West has obviously seen at least Akira and Interstella 5555 (both of which are heavily dependent on their music to help convey the mood) and liked 'em. Sigh...
- Dave Barry described rap as "what happens when the person hired to provide them with a melody fails to show up."
- Grunge is often considered the "anti-thesis" of hair metal. As a result, liking both genres is likely to earn you the scorn of hair metal fans and grunge fans alike. (Which, of course, you will consider ridiculous after seeing Chris Cornell's hair in 1991◊.)
- Thanks to Fan Dumb within Velvet Revolver's base, if you like Stone Temple Pilots, you are generally assumed to have a burning hatred for Guns n Roses and vice-versa. While there are some who genuinely like both bands, if you do, you're likely to find yourself stuck in the middle of a nasty flamewar.
- Probably relates to the grunge vs. hair metal war above. Velvet Revolver's singer is from Stone Temple Pilots (a grunge band), and 3 of the other members are from Guns n Roses (often considered hair metal).
- If you like Bring Me The Horizon, it's just because of Oli's hair. Not for the breakdowns or anything, you know, important.
- Speaking of, if you say to a metal fan that you prefer breakdowns over guitar solos, you may as well have just yelled "Allah Ackbar!" in the streets of Jerusalem.
- It's safe to assume that any argument about a modern heavy rock band will end with someone recommending that you listen to Slayer instead of whatever band you like. No, you may not enjoy both. Only Slayer.
- I've honstly never heard someone recommend Slayer to a burgeoning Metalhead. FUCKIN SLAAAAAYYAAARR, on the other hand...
- Like Metallica? No way you can like Megadeth! And vice versa.
- If you listen to
eurobeat Japanese techno, you'll be labeled as gay.
- If you are a musician, and don't write your own music, you are nothing more than a contract employee of a record label at best, and a poser at worst, but either way, get off the stage and let the "real" musicians play.
- More or less, there's a hatred between the fans of downloading and those who don't, often manifesting in arguments of being a "True fan". Word Of God says, the former is the truest fan, but the latter is most prevailing.
- Weird Al Yankovic's "Don't Download This Song" covers this particular theme.
- Trent Reznor put the entire Nine Inch Nails discography on The Pirate Bay.
- Similarly, the issue of collecting "bootleg" albums can also manifest in arguments of who's a "True Fan".
- Apparently people who say that have never heard "Starfire" "Dawn over a new world" or "Trail of broken hearts"
- Of course, some of those are reasons why they have fans.
- Ironically, there's no shortage of 4channers who have turned this into a particularly strange meme, stating that Dragonforce is the heaviest/hardest metal. Heavier and harder than either diamond (don't ask) or 11.
- Nickelback. Apparently, if you like Nickelback, you hate music.
- Especially don't admit to liking Nickelback in the presence of a die-hard grunge fan.
- If you like the Jonas Brothers, you might want to keep secret about that, lest you be called a gay pre-teen fanboy. (Or an obnoxious beeny-booper fangirl in most cases.)
- If you're a Nirvana fan, you're apparently not allowed to like Alice In Chains. And vice-versa.
- Never admit to liking the Insane Clown Posse even passively or as a guilty pleasure unless you want to be labeled as an ugly, mentally retarded failure at life.
- If you like Mashups/Bastard Pop/etc. (i.e, two or more unrelated songs stuck on top of each other to make a new song), you are sure to find a stash of fans of each constituent band who hate it, as well as just plain music purists who argue that it's too "easy to make" (you try making one that sounds good!) or is derivative and is thus bad. Amusingly and sadly, some bands have no problem with mashups while their fans do.
- All fans of The Grateful Dead are usually assumed to be Deadhead stereotypes, ie smelly hippies just looking for an excuse to get high. Ditto with fans of The Dave Matthews Band and Phish.
- Bob Dylan fans are often characterized as obsessive cranks who pore over every single word he's ever written looking for deep meanings. Oddly enough, a lot of this critcism comes from fellow Dylan fans. For example, a recent book about the making of Highway 61 Revisited makes lots of snarky comments about "Dylanologists", as though someone who writes an entire book about a Bob Dylan album doesn't qualify as one himself.
- Tool fans are considered to be self-important bores who are extremely proud of the fact that they like Tool.
- Considered to be self-important stoner bores who are extremely proud of the fact that they like Tool. And are obsessed with searching for deep meanings. And believe that Maynard James Keenan is the messiah. And don't ever realise that the band hates their more stereotypical fans (just listen to "Hooker with a Penis").
- Sadly, the stereotypical Tool fan, known as the "Tool Snob", exists, albeit as a particularly Vocal Minority. The Tool Snobs are to the Tool fandom what the erotic furries are to the Furry Fandom; a complete burden.
- All music written with electronic components front and center is Techno, and therefore only for people that want to drop some Ex. Thus spoke every major retailer of music in the country. Further, all people that write such music are talentless hacks that can't play real instruments and therefore deserve only hatred. Nevermind that part of the idea is that the music produced is often outside of the realms of physical possibility as far as a performance goes...
- The fact that many Electronic musicians use analogue equipment like synths as well as digital programs also throws out the idea that it requires little talent.
- Also, the myriad of artistic, experimental subgenres like minimal, noise (not to be confused with noise rock) or drone.
- Bone Thugs Nharmony, Although most of them are arguably dissenters.
- If you live in Russia and confess that you actually prefer J-Rock over American rock prepare to receive bad reactions and people saying that you're crazy/out of your mind/deserve sincere pity in about 95% cases.
- Not to mention if you say in Russian that you don't like R'n'B especially American you'll have to fight off peasant with torches.
- If you like Mariah Carey, you probably hate Madonna and Janet Jackson. If you like Madonna, you probably hate Mariah Carey and so on. Diva flamewars are worse than Family Guy vs South Park and Joel vs Mike combined.
- There's a lot of dissent over what is or was punk, whether or not the genre is dead, and if so, when it died. Fan opinions range from "The Sex Pistols aren't punk, and Sid Vicious was technically a mannequin," to "Fallout Boy rocks!" and every attitude in between. Then there are the arguments over whether you yourself can be punk if you're under 50, don't fight The Man, are upper middle class, not covered in metal studs, or whatever the fan's personal definition of punk is. The one thing most fans can agree on is that anyone who likes Avril Lavigne deserves capital punishment, and if you like pop punk, you're fifteen years old and have never even heard of the Ramones.
- And woe betide anyone who attempts to make the (entirely accurate) arguments that the Ramones ORIGINATED pop punk to a self-professed teenage punker who thinks he knows his stuff.
- THERE'S ONLY ONE THING THAT IS STILL PUNK ROCK IN THIS WORLD AND THAT IS BEARS! BEARS I TELL YOU!
- No, dude. Platypi are more punk. Cause, like, when they were discovered, the man kept them down and said they didn't exist.
- Also, if you are into punk and admit to liking bands like Gogol Bordello, The World/Inferno Friendship Society, or Flogging Molly, never mind your love of folk music, you like bands for their gimmicks.
- Tokio Hotel fans get this so much. Apparently, you only like them because you're a 12 year old fangirl who has no grasp of what "true musical talent is."
- If you like J Pop, then you are a stupid weeaboo faggot with no taste in music.
- If you like country music that doesn't include the words "outlaw" or "alternative" in front of the genre's name, you're a.) hillbilly hick who probably has the hots for your cousin; or b.) a redneck who can't stop watching professional wrestling (see below), driving AT Vs, and breaking bones; or c.) some combination thereof.
- This applies within country music as well. For example:
- Like any country music made after 1999 by someone not famous by 1999? You're not a country music fan, that's badly-disguised pop music (see Carrie Underwood, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, others.)
- Like any country music made before 1999 by someone famous before 1999? You're too inflexible and unwilling to accept the obvious change in the style of music.
- Like any country music made after 1999 by someone famous before 1999? You're living in the past.
- Additionally, many individual country artists' fans have fan haters- George Strait, Kenny Chesney, Taylor Swift- really, anyone currently performing. The only ones who are near-universally liked are the ones who've stopped having hit singles (this exception does not apply to Garth Brooks).
- Apparently liking The Backstreet Boys or NSYNC means you're gay.
- It seems liking any song means you also like/have similar values to the person singing it. It doesn't matter if you agree with everyone else that the singer him/herself makes terrible decisions/is cruel to the fans/is just plain stupid, or you don't know/care about the singer's life decisions. If you like the song, you like the singer, and you approve of anything they say and do, no matter how horrible or idiotic.
- Between the ages of 15-25 and genuinely enjoy classical music? You must be elitist/pretentious/a wanker etc.
- Pfft, you probably like Shakespeare, too.
- So many people just can not get it through their heads that there exist people who listen to religious music who are not Bible/Koran/Torah-thumping fundamentalist/Televangelist scum. There are even athiests who listen to Religious music and choirs because they like the sound.
Newspaper Comics
- If you genuinely like Garfield, I mean the real thing, not the Internet parodies, you must either be retarded, a child, or a someone desperately clinging to their childhood as hard as they can.
- In fact, that goes for most newspaper comics. If you still read the funnies, you are considered lame. Some comics (like Get Fuzzy and Pearls Before Swine) get a free pass on this one, while others were "When they were running", like Foxtrot and The Far Side.
Professional Wrestling
- Professional Wrestling. For a long time, most people assumed that wrestling fans didn't understand that it's fake.. Now most people assume that the average wrestling fan is a redneck man-child.
- Among Professional Wrestling fans, the Smart Marks have been known to level a lot of hate against other fans who like wrestlers who aren't up to their taste. For example, if you like John Cena, you're either a woman or a little kid. There is a grain of truth to this, a lot of John Cena's fanbase does in fact consist of women or kids, but there are plenty of adult males who respect his work ethic and friendliness toward fans, and some even praise his wrestling ability (just don't mention that last one on any wrestling message board).
- Back during the 80s and 90s you could just replace John Cena's name with Hulk Hogan's.
- In 2007, this came back to bite a lot of Smart Marks in the rear when their favorite wrestler Chris Benoit murdered his wife and young son before killing himself. In the eyes of a lot of people, if you still enjoy watching Benoit's old matches, you're an insensitive bastard who doesn't care about the murder of a child.
- Also among fans, if you are still a fan of someone who willingly left wrestling to pursue any other way of life (Dwayne Johnson, Brock Lesnar, etc.), then you are NOT a true fan because you still support those BETRAYERS for whom wrestling was not the end-all and be-all of their life FOREVER. Particularly annoying when you point out that the person in question has been wrestling for over 10 years, is beaten to a pulp from the hard lifestyle AND already pretty much achieved EVERYTHING in wrestling that they can possibly achieve, because that's "not the point". Strangely enough, if his comments about The Rock are any indication, John Cena fits into this group.
- The Rock is a slightly more excuseable case as he gave promos about still coming out to the ring when he needs false teeth and a walker and writing in his book about always coming back to the ring even if he takes time out for other challenges.
- In the past 10-20 years or so, Wrestling fans have been the subject of a special kind of hate from MMA/UFC fans, about when UFC started to become popular. MMA fans would use a variation of the "it's fake" argument, and that "it's real" made it better. Here are a couple of arguments against this:
- "Real" doesn't mean "good." Early UFC matches involved jujitsu, which involves a lot of ground work, chokes, locks, etc. Even today, it's nearly impossible to see what's happening in a clinch. There's a big difference between fighting for real and fighting as a spectacle. Fighting for spectacle is actually more visually impressive, regardless of whether the any damage is done.
- Professional wrestling involves skill, but a different kind of skill that is probably more related to gymnastics, acrobatics, ballet, and other types of physically demanding sports, much like how NASCAR involves skills ordinary drivers don't possess.
- Many MMA fights are disappointing as well, which is why the early UFC PPV's gave up on the single elimination format. What they found is that even though the fighter won, they couldn't continue, so substitutes (those fighters who weren't good enough to enter the tournament to begin with) were inserted higher in the brackets, and thus the "champion" was by far NOT the best fighter. By UFC 3, they started adding "main events" with stars other than those who participated in the tournament.
- Many MMA fights end early and/or disappointingly BECAUSE they are real. One example comes to mind is when one fighter missed a high kick, which glanced off the shoulder of the other person, and the other person instantly gave up because of a broken collarbone.
- Fans who watch wrestling do not watch for the fights. They watch for the underlying story, the unfolding story during the match, and the overall morality of the match (good vs evil.) It's like watching Darth Vader vs the Jedi's.
Close Professional Wrestling
Tabletop Games
- The average tabletop gamer has been portrayed as a celibate Basement Dweller. Videos like the "Fear of Girls" making fun of this stereotype haven't helped their image any since people actually took it seriously instead of the joke they were.
- The mutual hatred between Warhammer/Warhammer 40000 fans and War Machine fans almost rivals the violent, reactionary hatred you'd get in their respective settings.
- Now THAT'S grimdark!
- For that matter, Warhammer vs. War Craft, especially now that both have an MMO.
- Saying that you like the Tabletop Strategy Game Warhammer 40000 instead of Warhammer (Fantasy Battle) invokes vicious hatred and claims that you're not very tactically deep and must therefore be too stupid to play the "better" game.
- Amidst the 40K community, it is considered extremely bad class to claim to like the look of Tau Battlesuits or the 3rd edition Daemonettes, and that you must be an anime-lover to like either.
- Admit that you play - or even like - any Games Workshop product around pretty much any other type of War Gamer and expect mockery. Even their miniatures are considered verboten by purists.
- And of course, if you go to 4chan's /tg/ board and admit to liking 4th edition Dungeons And Dragons, the thread will immediately devolve into people calling you a retarded "4rry" who thinks everything should be an MMO.
- At least on RPG.net the agreed upon terminology is 4on or 'fouron'. Expect them to start labeling fans as '6 offenders' once that edition rolls around sometime next
decade month.
- Try going onto the Dungeons And Dragons forums, go to the previous editions and mention that you like Pathfinder. You'll most likely get labeled a Paizil, combination of the words Paizo and fail, and be accused of ignoring the fact that Pathfinder sucks.
- In addition mention that you like 4th on those boards and you'll get about the same response.
- Note that Pathfinder has not yet been released and it's still a "fact" that it sucks.
- Heading to any old-school (Original, 1st and [sometimes] 2nd Edition) D&D site and admitting you play any later editions or lift monsters/plot ideas/class tweaks/anything from them will result in a wave of grognards roasting you for being unimaginative and the sole cause for the decline of the game. God help you if you attempt back-converting any of the above for the community's use and admit to the original source.
- This even happens between fans of 1st and 2nd Edition. Either 2nd Edition was a shameless moneygrubbing act that started the power-creep/dumbing-down that culminated in 3rd/4th Edition and which saw the advent of such unnecessarily exotic and angst-ridden settings as Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Planescape, and Spelljammer; or 2nd Edition took the chaos incarnate that were the 1st Edition rulebooks, streamlined the information to make it easily referrable and readable without a handy thesaurus, expanded the game's ruleset and settings beyond the narrow confines of High Fantasy, and allowed a much greater deal of character customization on the part of the player.
- Admit that you like any form of R Ping (And not just Tabletop gaming), and people will either assume that you're into "nerdy"/"kiddy" games like D&D (and, depending on your age, will claim you're too old to RP) or you're into cybering.
- ...or, if admitting this to an evangelical Christian, get the entire "D&D is the devil!" rant. This is true of any game that's not on the board games shelf at Wal-Mart (to use another Fan Hater example).
- Do not admit you play the Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh TC Gs. Especially in front of someone who plays Magic The Gathering. * Playing most board games will get you called someone who really needs to get out or grow up and play some real board games. Nevermind how Trivia gets dull after awhile and how there are professional games of Monopoly played.
Theater
- Anyone into stage and street magic generally come in three flavors: the ones who see the tricks as a puzzle for them to figure out, the ones who want to keep the mystique and don't want to know how it's done, and those who think anyone who enjoys magic automatically believes it's "real" and goes out of their way to "prove" that it's fake just so they'll stop liking it. Members of the first two groups generally hate the third ones, because not only do they ruin the experience for them, but their "proof" is little more than conspiracy theories that have little to no bearing on what's actually going on (for instance, someone claiming Criss Angel's vanishing of an elephant is "fake" by pointing out a guy with a stick running away from the crowd).
- Fans of musical theatre get this all the time, usually in the form of "You do realize that no one ever bursts into a song and dance in real life, right?"
- There are sub-groups of musical haters too. Fans of Andrew Lloyd Webber, Steven Sondheim, Disney stage shows, Rent, jukebox musicals, Les Miserables, Wicked, High School Musical ("It's not a musical!"), and/or movie adaptations (Spamalot, etc.) are going to hear from haters sooner or later, often from nostalgia-prone purists who feel that they're all souless merchandising machines that disgrace the genre. There's a bit of Three Chords And The Truth here as many of the above rely heavily on theatrical spectacle. It can get even worse when a movie version arrives and critics who don't like the films make mean blanket judgements of the fans (who may well have not liked the movie either).
- Gerard Alessandrini of Forbidden Broadway fame is a professional Fan Hater. If it's post-'70s, he doesn't like it. (At least he's funny.)
- His parody of Hairspray's "You Can't Stop the Beat" seems to suggest that if Camp is invoked in a show, it's not legitimate musical theater, and is in fact conceived by people who hate real musicals. What does that say for fans of those shows?
- And there is another subgroup who hate anyone who doesn't love their personal choice of 'best performer in role x'. The sheer amount of hatred between choices of performers in certain roles is mind-boggling. You can like one performer or another, but never more than one.
- Gilbert And Sullivan have purists who insist that the various songs must be sung in their original form. This of course ignores the long standing tradition of making the songs relevant to the current era in order to make them not only more accessible but also much more in the intended spirit.
- If you're a middle-aged man and admit you like a musical generally made for kids, you can expect to be called a pedophile. Jon Merrill, Annie historian, gets this all the time.
- In the world of stand-up comedy, Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia are reviled throughout the Internet, and if you dare to laugh at any of their jokes, you'll be treated with less respect than a common Troll.
- Devotees of musical theater often spit scorn at fans of Stephen Sondheim, who are apparently pretentious elitists with no appreciation for the history of musicals that came before Sondheim; meanwhile, Sondheim fans are happy to look down on fans of other musicals as consumers of light, empty entertainment that requires no intellectual engagement.
- Traditional circuses such as Ringling Bros. draw the ire of many animal rights organizations. Therefore, if you admit you like traditional circuses, expect to be called a backwards redneck that loves animals being tortured for your amusement.
- Some people get very incensed at the idea that anyone could enjoy an updated adaptation of a Shakespeare play. Admit to liking 10 Things I Hate About You, Baz Luhrmann's Romeo and Juliet or even a stage production that sets Shakespeare's work in the modern day, and you'll feel their ire.
Video Games
- Video Games without photo-realistic graphics and guns, and other Darker And Edgier themes tend to get called "kiddy", regardless of genre, complexity, play style, or actual content. This goes double for Retro Gaming (or even games that are before the current generation).
- Speaking of Retro Gaming, there are people who refuse to enjoy any game made after 1999 due to Nostalgia Filter.
- On the flip-side, if you play the games with guns and blood, you must be a psychopath obsessed with those Murder Simulators and Male-Centric-Power-Fantasies.
- Alternatively, if you want games to have photo-realistic graphics then you're a graphics-whore (a term used by damn near everyone) who hates fun and innovation in games.
- And for the last Alternatively, if you enjoy Gears Of War and Resistance and the newer FPS and GTA IV, prepared to be called out for enjoying your brown and gunmetal grey game!
- Fans of "real" FPSes love to bash Halo.
- And within the Halo fandom, there's copious amounts of bashing between the vocal fans who enjoyed Halo 2 and the "purists" who preferred the original Halo and utterly hate the sequel.
- People who either don't give two craps about Multiplayer at all or play Multiplayer very sparingly (Probably due to the types of players who cover it causing it to be Ruined FOREVER very easily) for one reason or another are seen as sociopathic rejects who expect everyone online to bend to their desires and are therefore ruining gaming forever. Don't try saying you don't play multiplayer at all (Unless you're bearing a free pass) because it was Taintedby The Fanbase and your friends aren't online. They will not listen, even if you beat your point into their heads with a sledgehammer.
- In contrast, people who don't play singleplayer/story mode at all are seen as Stop Having Fun Guys, Munchkins, and cock-measuring screamers who care only about stats and victory, and are ruining gaming just as much as the people who refuse to play Multiplayer.
- There are two major camps in the first person shooter realm: those that play Counter-Strike and those that view it as a game that just refuses to die that attracts nothing but cheaters and assholes. It doesn't really help that most servers are, objectively, full of both, but to say that the game is nothing but that is a bit misleading.
- PC First Person Shooter fans find the very idea of playing any FPS on a console ludicrous.
- And then there are some people who believe using a setup that isn't keyboard-and-mouse for any game is a mortal sin.
- And finally, those people who consider playing with a mouse "easy mode".
- Heck, many PC gamers to console gamers in general. If a PC gamer of a certain sort finds that you like console games, you can pretty much kiss any chance of them giving you any respect good-bye.
- and backlash against PC gamers, even if some of it's justified by PC gamers who're so stuck-up they have to pay somebody to tie their shoes and full of Stop Having Fun Guys who think you should be boiled in acid for not being as devoted to your PC as they are. (Don't try saying, "I just want to play games, I don't want 1290 x 1900 resolution, 90 gigs of RAM, and 500 frames per second!")
- New on the FPS front is the huge war between the ArmA 2 fans and the Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising fans. If you like the former, you're a blind, neckbeard-ridden grognard with an entitlement complex a thousand klicks wide who refuses to accept anything that isn't pure simulation in his shooters. If you like the latter, you're a half-retarded childish casualfag who can't handle realism in your games and you're supporting a company that stole the franchise name from its rightful owners.
- Ironically, now that ArmA 2 has turned out to be...something of a letdown, the hating on Dragon Rising has gotten even worse. Comparing it to Battlefield: Bad Company is popular.
- Take a look at Dragon Rising's Wikipedia page, specifically the Reception bit. The description text is LOADED with Accentuate The Negative, yet right next to it you can see plenty of moderate-to-good review scores...
- Fans of Japanese RPGs and Western RPGs do this to each other, with Western RPGs getting lucky enough to get a free pass while a fan of Japanese RPGs will be regularly tarred, feathered, and hung from their ankles in public as weeaboo faggots despite their sexual orientation.
- There is no such thing as "Japanese RP Gs" or "Western RP Gs".
- Final Fantasy is a really popular target ever since Final Fantasy VII broke the series out of its cult status and into a mainstream franchise. In other words, Its Popular Now It Sucks. Final Fantasy VII fans in particular are singled out for the crime of, in most cases, having played this game first and thus being forever tainted from appreciating how it ruined FinalFantasy FOREVER. Strangely, Final Fantasy VI fans who played *that* game first are never ridiculed for the exact same thing.
- If you enjoy(ed) Final Fantasy X, consider yourself already dead, because you're automatically a graphics whore. And if you're also a fan of Final Fantasy X 2, consider yourself condemned to Hell, because you're automatically only in it for the fanservice. Or you're a girl. Remember, girls aren't allowed to like "real" games.
- That's not even counting the hatredrage you'll encounter in the constant, unending wars between fans of particular Final Fantasy games.
- Or for that matter, between fans of particular remakes of particular Final Fantasy games. Woe is the person who voices their liking of one of I's later editions.
- It seems that if you declare yourself a fan of the entire series, people will assume you haven't actually played it all. It is apparently impossible to enjoy the series after having played 1-12 (even including X-2). Nevermind that the sales figures seem to show how many people are in the Silent Majority.
- You can't like Final Fantasy VII sequels. At all. Period. They are a sign of Square selling out and milking their franchises. Now let's bug them some more to remake Final Fantasy VII!
- For that matter, if you hate Sephiroth then you're an ignorant bastard who can't appreciate a good character yet if you like Sephiroth then you are a fangirl who loves to draw Cloud/Sephiroth Yaoi and fantasize illogical sex adventures with Sephiroth.
- Did you like Yoshitaka Amano? Then you can't like Tetsuya Nomura because he redraws the exact same thing and that every male he draws is feminine. The Nostalgia Filter cancels out that Amano had his own trends... including willowy white-haired anemic heroes with blue lipstick and for nearly every hero, and capes thrown on just about everyone. Apparently, Kuja was the only one of Amano's characters who do this. (Which should be enough proof most of the people that laud Amano as automatically superior to Nomura have never actually seen his hero artwork in the manuals or noticed that he has his own trends.)
- You can't like Hitoshi Sakimoto composing the music!!! HE REPLACED UEMATSU AND IS SUCKAGE!!! (Oh nevermind that he didn't really do that much with Final Fantasy XI...if you play that game you're ruining Final Fantasy)
- Apparently the Nostalgia Filter also blocked many people from seeing that Hitoshi Sakimoto was also involved in Final Fantasy Tactics's music and was more or less chosen as part of the Ivalice Alliance...and has worked on Breath of Fire V.
- People like The Spoony One for some reason just can't seem to imagine the silent majority of people who actually don't play games like Tales Of, Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy for reasons other than fapping material.
- The man himself even sells t-shirts that proudly proclaim "I hate Final Fantasy VIII" , with the sales tag encouraging you to piss of a "Square Enix fanboy". Fan hating meets capitalism.
- Like JRP Gs? Then you're not allowed to like anything Square did after *INSERT DATE HERE*.
- Don't dare say you liked Persona 3 or 4 over Persona 2. You will be chased out with pitchforks and executed.
- ESPECIALLY don't say you liked Persona 2: Eternal Punishment over Innocent Sin. Apparently, the presence of Hitler and the option of romancing a guy cancels out EVER Ything Eternal Punishment did (Like give a satisfying ending and an EX Dungeon, as well as development to many minor characters.)
- Don't DARE like any other Megaten game other than Persona 2 over Shin Megami Tensei.
- If you liked stuff made by Team Symphonia, then you can't like anything made by Team Destiny. This is more true for the Team Destiny fandom in the Tales of Fandom who operate by a very strict "TEAM DESITNY/TALES OF DESTINY ONLY" rule.
- And once Team Symphonia releases something new, you are not allowed to like any previous installment from them. Happend to Symphonia, happened to Abyss, let's hope Vesperia doesn't hit the same fate. (Even though you'll get laughed at for buying the 360 version should the PS 3 Enhanced Remake get localized...and if you bought it, you're a weeaboo who put money into Namco-Bandai's pocket for a Take That against non-Sony players)
- And don't get me starter on Dawn of the New World.
- Oh and let's talk about Pokemon! If you like any of the pokemon that have #s above 151, then you are a pokenerd or a fag because they all sucked after that.
- Story-heavy games such as RPGs and adventures in general are bashed for being movies/interactive books, and apparently anyone who likes them are stupid and should go read a real book or watch a movie.
- Sonic The Hedgehog attracts a lot of hate. While the fans in general agree that the series have been on the decline somewhat, it's apparently a crime for anyone to still like Sonic.
- NEVER admit to liking the newer games MORE then the older Sonic games. And also, Sonic "Next Gen" is an absolute bad game, and nobody is allowed to like it at all. But all of this is small compared to the infamous voice actor war. You MUST love Ryan Drummond more then Jason Griffith, and it isn't even allowed to tolerate any of the 4Kids voice actors. You must hate them with a passion.
- Video game consoles and their PC counterparts are practically born into this trope. If you prefer Nintendo and play the Wii, you're labeled as kiddy, or a casual/non gamer. If you go with the Xbox systems, you're an FPS-only freak or, in the case of the 360, made fun of for having a console that breaks all the time. Play with Playstation systems? You're a guy who only plays Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, and Metal Gear Solid. Use a PC? You're an idiot for shelling out lots of money to keep your computer up to date to play games...and are lumped into the same crowd as the PC fanhaters who have been known for being so snooty and stuckup they have to pay someone to tie their shoes. You'll be hated or at least sneered at by someone for playing pretty much anything.
- As for the Wii, don't forget the people who hate anybody who plays it because it's allowing people who don't play video-games obsessively to play video-games. Nevermind that slimming down computers from their original bulkiness and making "User friendly" interfaces are what allowed people who lacked the training to use computers in the first place. (Who remembers Punch cards?)
- With the Wii being the success it is, "hardcore" (ie, PS 3) gamers worry that developers will target more exclusives to the Wii and reduce support for the (Blu-Ray) HD systems. In their terms, "Wii is killing gaming!" Even Western devs don't like it, with one dev calling it merely "Two Gamecubes duct-taped together" referring to its processing power.
- Let's not forget that due to piracy the PC is also killing gaming, or so console heavy developers would have you think.
- Do you play Final Fantasy XI? You're not allowed to like World Of Warcraft!
- Phantasy Star Universe has a dedicated Fan Haters following, on top of the Unpleasable Fanbase inherent to MMORP Gs. It's very easy to get Tainted By The Fanbase between the two.
- Oh, and don't talk about PSU around some parts of the PSO fanbase.
- People who like World Of Warcraft aren't allowed to like, among other MMOs: Mabinogi, Warhammer Online, Age Of Conan or Guild Wars. If they do, they're "insufficiently hardcore" (or are "PvPenises" if they like WAR).
- Then there's the hate within each individual MMO. If you play on a PVE server? You're either a n00b, "carebear", scrub or some combination. PVP? You're a twitchy kill-kill-kill gamer who doesn't enjoy anything beyond ganking other players. RP server and you actually RP? You're shoved into the same area of scorn set for cosplayers and LAR Pers. RP server and you don't RP? You're a killjoy griefer who joined the wrong server and wants to ruin R Ping for everyone who does RP! Heaven help you if you're on an RP-PVP server (Which...yup, I am. And I RP on.) Of course it's not all bad, but you can always find people of each Hater Stripe in any discussion of realm types.
- It gets even worse with the fighting between "Hardcore Raiders" and "Casual Raiders".
- There are also haters to peopel who play specific specifications or races in each game. Oh lord.
- Play Guild Wars? Then the Fan Haters and Stop Having Fun Guys will give you these rules: You're a noob if you use a "wiki build" or are a toucher. Monks may only heal, else you will get the "You play a SMITE monk?!?!?!?" backlash. Warriors may never have Monk as a secondary unless they wish to be laughed at and called a "Wammo". Apparently there is only one spec for Necromancers...Minion Master. And you are walking on thin ice if you play as an Assassin or a melee elementalist.
- Play World Of Warcraft? If you play undead or human, you are a mindless sheep. If you play a Blood Elf, you are a mindless sheep and a wannabe woman who likes to only play popular classes (Even if you are only a blood elf for paladin purposes). Playing a Night Elf gets you regarded as the same treatment as blood elves, especially since like Blood Elves, Night Elves are the only alliance race that can play the Druid. Playing a Tauren often makes you a furry (Even the poor Druids). Playing a draenei will get you called a "space goat" or get you accused of "ruining the lore." Playing a Gnome will get you targeted instantly by horde players who hate gnomes. Playing a Dwarf female makes you a chubby chaser or a liker of the ugly, and playing a Troll makes you an ignorant sap who doesn't know that their racials suck (Yeah like that is true anymore) and what are you doing playing this racial combination on a Pv P server? Those racials aren't good as an Area of effect silence or Ho T! And what are you doing with blood spec or dual-wield tanking you Death Noob? You're a Survival hunter?! What are you, stupid?! You're a Beast mastery hunter? Enjoy Easymode you gold farmer! You're a rogue? Ni hao, Gold farmer! You're a boomkin or Feral druid?! SPEC HEALING YOU NOOB!!! YOU ARE NOT A DAMAGE-DEALER DESPITE HOW MUCH DAMAGE OUTPUT YOU GOT!! (Nevermind that shadow priest over there). Lightwell? LOLWell you waste of a spec! Offensive Shaman? WTF YOU DOING TRYING TO DAMAGE?! HEAL!!!
- You like that sword? GET A REAL WEAPON YOU NOOB!!! Halo2 is a First person shooter, not slasher!
- Most FP Ses will call you an exploiter for doing anything that is different than what most people think is "normal". If you have something that gives you a health boost, you're called a noob with no balls. You're using a melee weapon? You noobling. Sniper? You fucking noob PLAY A REAL STYLE!!! You AREN'T sniping, you have no skill and are a trigger-happy Rambo wannabe.
- And if you are camping, then you will be called a noob. But it's perfectly okay when they do it...just not when you do it. (Certain games such as Call Of Duty 4 are excluded when on hardcore mode, nearly everyone camps.)
- Team Fortress 2. You play a heavy? You're a noob. Play a REAL class! You play Pyro? NOOB!!! Get a REAL class! Scout? Stop hitting that damn medic key and use the sandman. Use the sandman? Congratulations, you're soo' overpowering the game. Playing a Demoman? Ppppph. If they had Grenades, there'd be no reason to play that class. Play a sniper? Cheater. You're playing a sniper with the huntsman? GET BACK TO THE SIDELINES YOU'RE ASKING TO GET SHOT!!! Play a spy? Then I hate you. Don't play a spy, then I hate you. Play an engineer, then you have no balls to get into the fray. And you play a medic? You better heal me, bitch, because if you don't then I will automatically blame you for every death. You used the Idler? NOOOB! PLAY THE GAME LIKE THE REST OF US!!!!! You didn't use the idler? Then you wasted so much time playing the game, you have no life. Especially for a hat that doesn't even affect gameplay. Not using achievement weapons? Noob. GET ACHIEVEMENTS OR YOU SUCK!! Using achievements? Congratulations, you're officially a cock-measurer.
- And of course, the usual "U play World Of Warcraft/Warhammer/*enter other MMORPG here*? OMG GET OUT OF UR MOM'S BASEMENT AND GET A LIFE YOU NERD" comments from outside the MMOG community. (Because other online games are soooo not grindy and you're far more productive spending 14 hours a day playing FPSes than you are playing an MMOG
- And when certain Expansion Packs hit the shelf...liking one or disliking one attracts this and Complaining About People Not Liking The Show.
- And liking Puzzle Pirates automatically makes you a nerd, never mind that it is actually a far more simplistic game overall than most of the above examples.
- The Nippon Ichi strategy RPGs are routinely criticized for their use of sprite-based graphics on modern consoles. It seems obligatory in every review of Disgaea, La Pucelle, Makai Kingdom, etc., to mention how much the graphics bring things down.
- Quadruple this for Disgaea 3, where the sprites were upscaled - even many fans of the series hated on the graphics this time around. Plus the console wars got involved.
- Probably doesn't help that despite looking like a PS 2 game, on a system built to run HD graphics, it still manages to have slowdown.
- Most Western MMORPG players loathe Korean MMORPGs.
- "Real Musicians" vs. Guitar Hero and Rock Band players. Most of you have probably seen this somewhere already; when amateur musicians tell players of the games that their hobby is stupid and they should learn to play a real guitar. Because everyone wants to go through years of guitar lessons just to have a bit of quick fun. This attitude is summarized neatly in this strip from xkcd, which named Stop Having Fun Guys.
- Ctrl Alt Del has a somewhat more violent take on this.
- Fantastically, the previously-mentioned fight has turned into a three-way affair between "real musicians", Guitar Hero fans and Rock Band fans - many Guitar Hero fans mock Rock Band fans for the Rock Band guitar sections being so much easier than Guitar Hero and thus no fun to play, while many Rock Band fans attack Guitar Hero fans for the game being made unnecessarily and artificially hard...and thus no fun to play.
- With the announcement of Wii Music, where anyone can make good music no matter how much they stink, many of a Nintendo fan cried foul for it being "casual garbage". If you even dare to say on a forum that you like Wii Music or even want to get it, you might as well declare yourself dead from gaming forever before someone else will do it for you. Shigeru Miyamoto pretty much predicted that the game would provoke this sort of reaction among certain people.
- For some time, Rock Band/Guitar Hero fans and Bemani fans did this to each other. Bemani games are just stupidly Nintendo Hard games with Japanese techno that weeaboo faggots play, and GH/RB is easy garbage with shitty music that millions of people are retards for buying. The tension has cooled down since the days of the first Guitar Hero.
- Of Football Manager fans "Why not pretend to play instead of pretending to manage?"
- Background music to video games, or video game "music" in general, is not real music. NO EXCEPTIONS. Nope, not even music provided by a live orchestra counts.
- What if said background music happened to be 2 Minutes to Midnight or Rage Against the Machine?
- Fans of the Wii are also divided up by this issue. A Flame War brews between several types of people; some people think that anyone buying Virtual Console games (old school games from the NES for example) is an idiot for buying overpriced ROMs and claim downloading ROMs and emulators from the Internet gives you any game you want, plus better features. Those who favor the Virtual Console will brand you as an evil pirate if you download a ROM from the Internet, even if you download a crappy game. Then you got people who tell everyone else to simply buy the real games in its physical form, even though not everyone owns the system or game or has a chance of finding either that will work and not crap out on them a year later, or the original's price is often more expensive than its VC counterpart.
- And despite all this Virtual Console vs. ROM wazoo, now one in that debate is batting an eye towards modded Wiis, which can get Virtual Console games for free and emulators.
- This is all over Spore as people are faced with the dilemma of buying the game and risking damage to their computer due to SecuROM or pirating to avoid the DRM.
- Are you a Game Spot user? If so, prepare to be flamed to the depths of Hell by GameFAQs users, no matter how much of an exception you are to the stereotype that all Game Spot users have the IQ of a grain of salt.
- Also on Game FA Qs, PoTD and Board 8 are not fond of the other; this is because traffic for Po TD slows down during contest season, while Board 8's goes up (and vice versa).
- Random Insanity and Current Events used to have this sort of thing. These days it's more or less friendly, with a few cases of flame here and there.
- For that matter, going to Game FA Qs' forums (or, to some, the site itself) will get you razzed pretty heavily on many a site.
- And god help you if you post on LUE. And if you do, god help you if you post on LU Elinks.
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Ace Disbarred Attorney anti-videogame activist Jack Thompson stereotypes all gamers as morons, and invalidates any points they make in their emails to him on the grounds that they're gamers.
- If you play O2Jam, never, EVER mention it around Beatmania IIDX players, who say that in O2Jam:
- you have much looser timing windows, so it's a game for Rhythm Game noobs.
- unlike IIDX, where you use the same finger on several different keys, the default key setup is designed so that you have one finger on every key at all times, so it's apparently really easy to mash keys to clear a difficult song.
- it looks "kiddy."
- the songlist, which many say is garbage.
- the community on the Malaysian version consists of a lot of assholes and retards.
- most importantly, it's a "ripoff" of IIDX.
- Unless you're a fan of IIDX fan-turned-Fan-Hater Arch0wl, in which case o2Jam's more precise mechanics for handling freeze arrows, the precise use of one-finger-on-every-key-at-all-times, epically awesome classical-turned-techno-laden soundtrack, and severe forum elitist bastardism make it "IIDX, only better."
- Fans of the Kingdom Hearts series are often offended by self proclaimed "Hard Core RPG-gamers", because the game is "Disney kiddie crap that makes no sense" in their eyes (although most of these KH-Fan-haters never saw more of the game than the box art and the trailers.) You're also not allowed to like KH or FF in some Nintendo-forums because Square is a "betrayer", you know... except for all those games puts out including Kingdom Hearts. Some fan grudges just never die.
- The hatred goes both ways, as demonstrated by any poor sap who dares suggests that KH 3 (or even just a side story game) should be on the Wii. Apparently the series must be exclusive to Sony consoles, even though a game has already been released on a Nintendo handheld with another coming soon. Haters will also throw out the notion of "console loyalty", conveniently ignoring which company of systems the first six Final Fantasies (or the first six Dragon Quests, for that matter) came out on and which got the seventh and on. And on rare occasions, one can witness an alleged fan of a series featuring effin' Disney use the "kiddie" argument against Nintendo.
- Then there's the rare few who think Square Enix sold out to the popular media for Drakengard 2. For the record, fans of the original Drakengard know full well what Square is capable of making in terms of storyline and characters. Such gamers may play KH, but will hold their opinions of the characters in reserve knowing what Square is actually able to pull off.
- Stick around any forum for any type of entertainment and you're bound to see at least one post from someone chastizing the posters for spending so much time talking about the subject of the forum when there are so many more important things going on in real world. It obviously doesn't occur to this person that the fans are discussing this "more important" world event on a forum where it would not be off topic.
- Since the Fire Emblem series finally started coming to the U.S., there has arised much oldschool vs newschool wank in the fandom. Basically, if you prefer the old games you are an elitist and if you prefer the new games you were uneducated swine. Like Final Fantasy, you are *not* allowed to like them all. (Especially the official art.)
- Ever been to a Fire Emblem forum? It's all hate from everyone. The N Sider board has gotten especially bad. You cannot like a single game. Some "fans" will chastise you for liking any game at all. period. They themselves tend to be fans of only one game, and sometimes a select few characters. Pretty much, the board exists to feed Thorhammer's ego.
- Never go to The Escapist and say anything good about a game Yahtzee has bashed. Defend anything he hates, and you are a *gasp* fanboy.
- Ironically, one gets the sense that Yahtzee himself would disagree with this attitude at least some of the time. He was critical of Mass Effect but did concede that some of this may have been a matter of opinion. He's also made numerous comments expressing annoyance with people taking his word as law.
- Yahtzee more or less made the same concession about JRPG's in general in his TWEWY review. He even called it, and I quote, an "ok game". Don't dare tell that to anyone on the escapist forums who somehow are all authorities on JRPGs despite admitting they never played one.
- Don't criticize a game Yahtzee has bashed either. Even if you have never been to his site and you're so unfamiliar with it you think "Yahtzee" is a dice game,
- Just admitting you like watching Yahtzee's stuff on Zero Punctuation will get you scorned by many, because he is a guy who just "bitches about everything he hates in video games and can't review for shit".
- Apparently, the prevailing attitude is that anyone that likes Fallout is a rabid fanboy unpleasable psychotic that wants to murder Bethesda for daring to release a sequel.
- On the other side of the scale, we have Game Spy columnists who openly express their desire to see all Fallout fans die, and it seems impossible for either the interviewer of the interviewee to make it through a Fallout 3 interview without insulting the fanbase. You can see why they might get ticked off.
- There is also a degree of tension between PC and console owners of Fallout 3, with the PC owners hailing their version as the "true experience" and looking down on the very existence of the game on consoles as dumbing-down and appealing to the masses; similarly, any problems with the PC version of the game are blamed on the fact that it is also on consoles.
- The PS 3 vs. 360 fanboy wars also stretch into this category, particularly when the downloadable content was originally released exclusively on the PC and 360 versions, causing many PS 3 owners to feel angered and betrayed; some 360 owners responded that the PS 3 fans were whining and that it's their own fault for picking the "wrong" console. When Bethesda announced that the DLC WOULD be coming to PS 3 at a later date, the PS 3 fans were elated... but there were still some on the 360 side who were now angry at Bethesda for "giving in" to the PS 3 fans' "whining".
- Ouendan vs EBA. EBA is Americanized crap and the reason Ouendan will never come to America. Ouendan is for weeaboos. Never mind that they're the same game, made by the same studio, and the only difference is the soundtrack. They even reference each other!
- Apparently, you aren't allowed to use the Nintendo USB Wi-Fi connector to play Nintendo games online. If you dare ask how to fix whatever problems it is causing, people will tell you to get rid of it and get a router instead. Don't bother saying you can't or won't get a router (Which is more expensive than a USB Wi-fi connector), because they aren't listening.
- Following the days of the PS 3's sudden price upgrade, everyone started from FanWanking the PS3 to calling it ugly, the then-used "boomerang" controller a dildo, and every Sony fan dicks for buying into the console. Depressed yet?
- Maple Story.
- Arcade games. "Why pay 25 cents to play a game when you can play the same thing at home 'for free'?"
- The Fourth Generation (SNES, Genesis, et al) reinvented the Console War. You either liked and owned a Super Nintendo Entertainment System or a Sega Genesis/Mega Drive Having/liking both was marked as blasphemy
and punished accordingly.
- Genesis does what Nintendon't, and SNES is what Genesisn't.
- Admitting to liking any of the sega addons is going to get you majorly hated on and called an ignorant doofus who cannot appreciate any true games.
- But of course, Your Mileage May Vary; as the Sega CD was considered a little better and some people actually do say that some games for the Sega CD may be So Bad Its Awesome or a Guilty Pleasure, and there were some games that received acclaim from reviewers, and are actually sought out on eBay. But you're in much deeper shit if you admit to genuinely liking some 32x games...A few games like Knuckles Chaotix are alright but more or less everything else is So Bad Its Awful and you are So Bad Its Awful for liking it.
- Gabe of Penny Arcade manages to get away with regularly praising Kolibri, in his words, as "the finest hummingbird based shooter on the 32X".
- If you're a guy, you are absolutely not allowed to play Para Para Paradise. EVER. Unless you're homosexual.
- Nintendo Europe marketing director Laurent Fischer let off an inflammmatory remark in a statement about issues regarding the Wii's storage space, saying that only "geeks and otaku" need more than 512 megabytes of space for Virtual Console and WiiWare games. The resulting controversy forced him to regret his words.
- Then came March 2009 with its SD Card update...
- World Of Warcraft itself draws this. Many people hate those who play the game more than they hate the game itself. (Even though most of these haters have never even downloaded a 10 day trial) There are also those who think that the only problem with the game is the people who actually play it.
- Then there are people in the game who will hate you for liking certain features of the game.
- Also, Xbox Live tends to draw this kind of hate from some people, in addition to the PC gamer "You play on a CONSOLE?!" backlash.
- This happens with a lot of online games and MMO Gs.
- People who complain about bad localzations are labeled as whiny weeaboos. Yes, even people who hated Chaos Wars. And don't admit to liking access to a Japanese language track - how dare you be capable of appreciating acting in the original language! Why don't you just learn Japanese to the point of fluency and import? Of course, if you do the latter, you're still a weeaboo.
- Don't admit to liking American or European-made Shoot Em Ups, even if it's one of the fantastic showings like Jets 'n Guns. The "real" shmup fans refer to games like these as "euroshmups," which means "garbage" in their jargon. To them, if a Shoot Em Up isn't "made for arcade," even if it's never intended to be on an arcade platform, it's a "euroshmup."
- Mega Man, Mega Man, MEGAMAN. You are not allowed to like that franchise. Period. The only games that get a free pass are Megamans 1-4 and 9. Sometimes 5 and 6 are allowed, but after that, seven only. Liking any other megaman game is punishable by castigation and vicious flaming for paying Capcom to make more and more worthless sequels to megaman.
- Granted, there are some who do allow you to like some games like Megaman Legends, Megaman X 1-4, but anything else you should not touch if you do not want to be murdered in your sleep.
- It's part of liking Megaman Battle Network. You are not allowed to like even the idea. You can't like the anime, the manga, the characters, anything.
- Same for Legends, although that is mild in comparison to the hate that Battle Network has been getting.
- People who like Megaman Battle Network and Megaman Star Force appear to be attacked like There Is No Kill Like Overkill on sight these days by the ridiculously Fan Dumb part of the Classic/X/Zero fanbases (which, following the recent announcement of the Battle Network and Star Force crossover game, can be measured to make up about 90% of the three fanbases lately.)
- To get a sense of just how bad the hatred for both is, nearly every general Mega Man site that covers info on every series will have their comments section following an article announcing details on a new game of either series swarmed by what appears to be a loosely unified Battle Network and Star Force Hatedom.
- And this even exists WITHIN the fanbase of Megaman Battle Network! It's like Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy, or Tales! You can't like them all, because 4 killed the series and anything after is milking a dead cow. You can be allowed to like the later games only under the circumstance that you acknowledge that 2 and 3 are the best ones. Games like Megaman Battle Network 4 and Battle Chip Challenge? Do not admit to liking them. At all. You are in serious serious trouble if you do.
- The only Megaman game past (Insert Date Here) you are allowed to like is Megaman 9. And the Nostalgia Filter will prevent it from ever being criticised unless it's by people who can't play it. And with this one, you're not allowed to DISlike it. If you don't like Megaman 9, then you are uneducated swine who has been spoiled by 3D graphics, voice acting, and gray guns and complexity that you cannot appreciate Capcom trying to make a TRUE Megaman game.
- If you like Megaman 9, you are a Nostalgia Filter-blinded moron who likes unplayable, impossible games and can't appreciate anything with more than 8-bits because you are an elitist.
- Call Of Duty sometimes receives this treatment from numerous crowds, a lot of which are Fandom Rivalry with other popular franchises or simple "It's World War 2 so it sucks".
- Want to see a cool-looking console exclusive ported to another console (i.e. an X-Box 360 game to the Playstation 3, a Playstation 3 game to the X-Box 360, a PSP game to the PS 2, etc.)? Quit whining and go buy the original console, you cheapass troll!
- You wouldn't believe the kind of razzing 360 fans got on Final Fantasy XIII boards before the announcement that the game was being ported to the 360. Anyone who dared to ask if the game would be ported was treated as if he'd posted a topic praising Disaster Movie on a movie discussion board. Needless to say, when the port was eventually announced, the fanbase imploded.
- Runescape is such a hated game, you can be severely punished for committing the sin of playing it or even thinking anything of it unless it is 100% negative. It almost is completely segregated into three camps...those have played it and liked it, those that have played it and hated it, and those who either have never played of it and hate it or those who hate any MMOG on principal of it being an MMOG. Punishments for liking Runescape include death, castration, exile, life imprisonment, or banning.
- Did anyone mention Spyro The Dragon yet?! My goodness, if you like anything of the Legend series by Sierra, you are classified as not a "true fan" and are as bad as "Twilight fan girls because the Legend series is a LOTR ripoff with a black dragoness that made Spyro fall in love in which he's a legendary purple dragon wasn't bad enough to make the game against Insomniac's original plans. Funny thing is, most of the Legends fans don't even attack back despite the first three Insomniac games literally being your typical 90s platformer.
- Star Fox after Starfox64 gets hate because many of the supposed true fans whine how it's all "furry junk" without even playing Starfox Assault and seeing that the addition of Krystal just added only depth to the characters and not rework the gameplay.
- Recently, many "core gamers" have been compared to Anne Titlement customers who expect the owners of a store to bend over backwards because they have been customers for years. They are the bane of every customer service workers' existence.
- Telling the fanchildren of The Elder Scrolls franchise you prefer oblivion over any other entry for any reason makes you appear to be a graphics whore or a "Console tard", or "Gay".
- Of course, telling Daggerfall fans that you liked Morrowind more is also suicide. Mention the previous 3 games to the six people who played Arena? You're an idiot who ruined the series. The Oblivion hatred is indeed the worst though, despite having amazing reveiws and a fuckton of awards its still an abomination. Fan Dumb indeed.
- Go to a DJMAX Technika discussion, and say you like any (preferbably more than one) of the following songs: "Oblivion", "Area 7", or "Para Q".
- A small number of fans seem to believe that if you approve of Yuri Lowell's actions, you're a soulless monster who condones murder and sadism. These people must not know what his "victims" did to deserve it.
- Like The Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion? Congratulations. You are officially a half-literate graphics whore twitch player godmoder who can't think his way out of a wet paper bag. Also your sexuality is questionable for liking Lord of the Rings.
- Own a PSP? Haha, you own a
iPod wannabe system with no good games battery rapist useless paperweight!
- Probably due to some Fandumb, liking the Mother series around certain people will get you called a cultist of an obscure game about kids with superpowers.
- If you play Tetris: The Grand Master, especially at a high level, some will dismiss you as a loser with no life for "taking Tetris too seriously." Bonus points if you're non-Japanese (or non-any-kind-of-Asian-for-that-matter), becuase after all, only Japanese people are capable of being awesome at TGM.
- Super Smash Bros. Good God. If you like Melee over Brawl, you'll be labeled a Stop Having Fun Guy who only plays as Fox and on Final Destination. Likewise, if you prefer Brawl over Melee, you'll be branded a casualfag who actually likes using low-tier characters and items.
- And if you don't like Smash at all, fellow Smash players * will egg you to play.
- Challenge Gamers get some shit for taking games too seriously.
Possibly one of the few justified examples.
- "You're a Scrub if you dont like Street Fighter. I bet you're one of those Mortal Kombat fanboys. Street Fighter is revolutionary and takes skill faggot! Thats why you lose online to real players!"
- If you dont like SF, you dont like fighting games. Period.
- If you like Fallout 3, you're both not a true Fallout fan and you're a Bethesda fantard who must be blind not to see the obvious Canon Defilement and other atrocities they commited on the Fallout verse.
- If you so much as have an account on No Mutants Allowed, you are automatically a stuck up, elitist Jerk Ass who thinks his opinion is the law of the universe.
- So you're a Resident Evil fan, huh? Well it comes down to being a "hardcore static-camera loving, inteventory managing, tank control loving homo" if your a fan of the older games. If you love the newer games, then your a "casual spoonfeed-me-with-ammo, third person shooter lover who couldnt manage there inventory properly without an attache case."
- While Suikoden IV is the least well-received game in the series, it's Suikoden Tierkreis that tends to get the most pure, vitriolic hate. Oddly, the hate is mostly limited to the game itself on Suikoden-based forums, but if you so much as mention liking it on Neo GAF, you will receive quite a bit of verbal abuse.
- The most hate, however, seems to be reserved for Lulu from {{Suikoden III}}. Almost everyone in the entire fandom hates him.
Webcomics
- 8-Bit Theater and (usually) Bob And George are pretty much the only sprite comics that people won't give you crap for reading.
- Regarding sprites, see the section on sprites and general pixel art in the "Real life" section.
- No one is allowed to like Ctrl+Alt+Del. Ever. If you express anything less than biting contempt for the comic and the tasteless lowest common denominator losers who read it, prepare to be crucified.
- An exception is granted by at least some communities either for rare specific comics, attempts of varying quality to actually turn pages funny, or, of course, Memetic Mutation.
- If you read VG Cats, you're a furry, or a 12-year-old girl who thinks GIR is the funniest fictional character ever created.
Web Original
- Fans of lonelygirl15 are probably sick of being told that the series is fake.
- Welcome to Professional Wrestling fandom, 20 years ago.
- Hell, wrestling fandom is still treated like that today.
- Social networking sites such as Facebook and especially MySpace. Admit to using one, and people will:
- call you a conformist sheep for using something that millions of other people use.
- automatically assume you're just trying to add as many friends as possible.
- question the point of social networking sites, why you should ditch those and just use your cellphone, instant messaging, or what have you to communicate with your friends
- rant about how poorly such sites are made (Friendster and MySpace allow people to use HTML and potentially screw up their pages, and Facebook's applications tend to clutter up pages).
- Some proud geeks justify their hate by claiming that the Internet is "their turf."
- ...and we can add Twitter to the hierarchy of suck.
- Fans of Wikipedia -know- that can anyone can edit most any page. That is part of the fun. And the horror (buried in the history of any Double Entendre page) is some 12 year old somewhere going 'HUR HUR'
- Also, to the majority of people, all the information on wikipedia is wrong. Period. There is no sourcing, no internal policing of the site. Just trolls who want to make sure you never know anything accurate.
- Foamy the Squirrel is starting to get hate as well. It seems anyone liking him are considered morons because "all he does is bitch and whine about anything".
- You may not post any video review without being called a ripoff of The Angry Video Game Nerd. Even if you have never at all heard of him or The Irate Gamer or The Nostalgia Critic, you're still ripping him off.
- You're never allowed to like The Irate Gamer. Because They Copied It Now It Sucks.
- Using Internet Explorer means you are an uneducated moron who needs to download Firefox or Google Chrome.
- Especially if you're still using Internet Explorer 6. Then not only are you a moron, but you're also an outdated dinosaur who is personally holding the rest of the internet back by not upgrading your browser.
- Using Safari makes you an applegeek...even if you don't own a single apple product let alone a Macintosh.
- To some people, if you like Happy Tree Friends, you're either a sociopath or 12 years old.
Western Animation
- For the past few years, there's been some kind of unspoken rule against liking Invader Zim.
- Take one part Fan Dumb, one part Hype Backlash, one part Its Popular Now It Sucks and stir in some horrific artwork for taste. The connection with the teenage Hot Topic crowd doesn't help matters much.
- That's almost certainly where it comes from. Being popular in the first place isn't so bad, but being popular with the Internet's favorite targets? Yeah.
- Woe betide anyone who likes Family Guy. According to the haters, it's nothing more than a poorly-made rip-off of The Simpsons (despite the premise of The Simpsons not being at all original) with random jokes written by manatees.
- Spongebob Squarepants has been getting a LOT of this recently. Mostly due to his popularity status, and the fact that his show has been on for years. Oh, and it (probably) Jumped The Shark.
- Several members of the Danny Phantom fandom even go so far as to actually BLAME Spongebob for being the cause of Danny being cancelled.
- Which in turn a lot of Fairly Odd Parents fans like to blame Danny Phantom for the fall in quality and the eventual cancellation (though it got uncancelled).
- The AvatarTheLastAirbender fandom picks on Spongebob A LOT because they're convinced that it's the only animated show Nick seems to air, pamper, and demand more episodes of.
- Having their show take an eight-month hiatus in the middle of the final season will do things to people. Regardless of whatever legitimate reasons Nickelodeon might have had for the delay, the fact that Spongebob is run and rerun all the time had to have been like salt in the wound.
- Half of the people that at some time liked The Simpsons hate the people that like any episode made in the last decade.
- You will probably get crap from certain people if you admit to liking any cartoon made after 2000.
- This especially applies if you liked the 2003 incarnation of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Though this show seems to invite all kinds of hate from unexpected directions.
- The most prevalent one comes from the people who loved the '80s show as a kid, and think it's terrible they took away the Turtles' pupils and "changed" them to be hardcore. You were clearly born after the godly '80s cartoon and have terrible taste if you like the new show more. Especially annoying to 2k3 fans when they never watched the show, just looked at the new character designs or admittedly lackluster theme song.
- Also, the people who love it (usually for actually acknowledging/adapting the original comics and preserving a darker tone) turn around and bash the '80s toon lovers for liking watered-down kiddie garbage. It should be obvious that nobody is allowed to like both.
- You either liked the "Fast Forward" and "Back to the Sewer" seasons (and thus ruined the show by encouraging the executives to continue producing lighter, kiddier fare), or you hated them (and proceeded to waste your life on Ninja Turtles forums, bashing the innocents who dared to enjoy what they were given. Oh, and you probably didn't watch them anyway).
- And, of course, admitting to liking the Ninja Turtles at all, regardless of what version, means you really need to grow up. Because awesome characters never come out of stupid joke premises.
- God help you if you like anything intended for preschoolers and are outside that age group. Ex.: Dragon Tales. Seriously.
- Don't forget the Unbendable Law of Theatrical CGI Animation: Pixar rocks, Dream Works sucks. You cannot enjoy Dreamworks films unless you are some sort of easily entertained moron with no appreciation for good stories or animation.
- In general, animation gets this from people who think Animation is not a "True" artform and believes it's just for kids.
- Conversely, God help you if you run into someone who adheres to the elitist views on Western animation held by people like John Kricfalusi and his fans, and their ironclad views of what a cartoon is "supposed" to be. If you like various 1980s and early 1990s cartoons despite knowing full well that they were largely Merchandise Driven. Guilty Pleasures, or you just plain enjoyed them, you're an uncultured philistine who wouldn't know good animation if it came up and bit you on the ass.
- Be very very careful about liking Disney films. Especially those ones about princesses.
- Disney sequels usually receive a worse treatment.
- Although The Rescuers Down Under often gets a free pass either due to the Nostalgia Filter or it not having the same "Tacked on" feeling as other sequels. Even if it was released during the Disney "Renaissance", it still was regarded as a "Black Sheep" film before people like The Nostalgia Critic started promoting it. And if anyone thinks Rescuers down under is a black sheep they've never heard of The Black Cauldron.
- For awhile, you were also allowed to watch Cinderella 3: A twist in time due to it making fun of the original fairy tale logic and actually making one of the wicked stepsisters take a Heel Face Turn and being given development. Doesnt' save you from the Fan Hater treatment if you still admit to liking it or even watching it.
- Despite their popularity, the recent crop of Canadian Fresh TV cartoons making it to America (Total Drama Action and Total Drama Island, 6teen, and Stoked) have their share of Fan Haters, mostly among fans of 80s, 90s, and early-00s cartoons who blame the new wave of Canadian animation and its fans for "dumbing down" cartoons in general. Mention that you like these shows on many animation boards and you'll kick up an old vs. new Internet Backdraft at best and be denounced as a Troll at worst.
- From all of the Fan Disillusionment in several Avatar The Last Airbender forums (and vene some of the stuff posted on this very wiki), it seems that the more hardcore Zutara shippers like to accuse creators Bryan and Mike of this because of the almost gleeful Ship Sinking they dealt toward said fans' preferred ship.
- The only adaptation of Batman or even the DC Universe as a wholethat you are allowed to like is Batman The Animated Series and the rest of the DC Animated Universe. You MUST hate The Batman and Batman The Brave And The Bold, as well as the current DC Universe films.
- No one is good enough to voice The Joker other than Mark Hamill. Kevin Michael Richardson and Jeff Bennett are hacks, despite their decades long animation careers.
- The Dark Knight is also hated due to taking an approach different from the animated series and for being too dark.
- Rue to you if you mention preferring a redesign from The New Batman Adventures that isn't Scarecrow.
- If you liked any Transformers series past Beast Wars, you are so easily amused you don't know how bad the shows really are. If you didn't, you're a G1 purist who will not let go of the past.
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