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->'''[[Characters/SonicTheHedgehogSonicTheHedgehog Sonic]]:''' ''[to Shadow]'' Hey, buddy! I'm so happy you're still okay, that's great! Say, we were just on our way to Eggman.\\

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->'''[[Characters/SonicTheHedgehogSonicTheHedgehog Sonic]]:''' ''[to Shadow]'' Hey, buddy! I'm so happy you're still okay, that's okay! That's great! Say, we were just on our way to Eggman.\\
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'': Maria Hill ends up grabbing the ball and running with it in "Hail HYDRA!". Voicing support for superhuman registration is one thing; choosing to pick a fight with Iron Man and Wasp over it, thus keeping them from helping their teammates with the HYDRA/AIM war (and completely ignoring said war in the process, even though both organizations are raining devastation on New York) is something else.
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* A lot of the conflict in ''Anime/TurnAGundam'' seems to happen just for the sake of it. Characters on all sides seems to have a death-grip on the conflict ball and will start fights the moment their superiors turns their backs, if not said superiors are in on it that is, and often in complete disregard for basic sanity and survival instincts. A lot of the conflicts within the series could have been avoided if not everyone was so damn tigger happy all the time. While ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' as a whole can suffer from this trope, at times seeming like there is some kind of "one fight per episode" mandate going on, ''Turn A'' still stands out due to how often conflict just seems to happen for no reason, especially in such [[GhibliHills a laid back setting]].
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* In ''LightNovel/NyarukoCrawlingWithLove'', the trio of [[UnwantedHarem Nyarko, Cuuko, and Hasta]] are always being clingy and disruptive, to the annoyance of [[OnlySaneMan Mahiro]]. However, they take it even further in episode 11 of the second TV series, when Mahiro is asked by his mother to babysit a young alien girl named Guthatan. While he does his best to look after the child, the other three are acting even worse than normal, with Cuuko constantly harassing Mahiro to make her breakfast while Hasta gets extremely jealous of how much attention Guthatan is getting. Nyarko gets it even worse, acting even more jealous than Hasta and at one point jumping to the conclusion that Mahiro [[{{Squick}} had sex with Guthatan]]. While the conflict ''is'' a plot point, only one small element ([[spoiler:Guthatan getting a cut on her forehead during a battle where Nyarko ''et al.'' went overboard]]) is explained; the rest of it comes off as if the trio just woke up that morning and decided to be as selfish and annoying as possible. And this isn't even mentioning the things they did earlier, like loudly playing video games in Mahiro's room while he was trying to sleep.

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* In ''LightNovel/NyarukoCrawlingWithLove'', ''Literature/NyarukoCrawlingWithLove'', the trio of [[UnwantedHarem Nyarko, Cuuko, and Hasta]] are always being clingy and disruptive, to the annoyance of [[OnlySaneMan Mahiro]]. However, they take it even further in episode 11 of the second TV series, when Mahiro is asked by his mother to babysit a young alien girl named Guthatan. While he does his best to look after the child, the other three are acting even worse than normal, with Cuuko constantly harassing Mahiro to make her breakfast while Hasta gets extremely jealous of how much attention Guthatan is getting. Nyarko gets it even worse, acting even more jealous than Hasta and at one point jumping to the conclusion that Mahiro [[{{Squick}} had sex with Guthatan]]. While the conflict ''is'' a plot point, only one small element ([[spoiler:Guthatan getting a cut on her forehead during a battle where Nyarko ''et al.'' went overboard]]) is explained; the rest of it comes off as if the trio just woke up that morning and decided to be as selfish and annoying as possible. And this isn't even mentioning the things they did earlier, like loudly playing video games in Mahiro's room while he was trying to sleep.
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** ''Series/KamenRiderGeats'': The trope is deliberately invoked when the ImmoralRealityShow the series is built around gets a new Game Master to replace the first, and he proves to be a PointyHairedBoss whose ideas to make the show more exciting for the audience all center around producing as much inter-party tension as possible. Among other changes, he introduces a new saboteur role that exists purely to make the Riders distrust and bicker with one another.

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** Another case is Luffy’s fight with Zoro in Whiskey Peak. The people there were actually assassins who intended to take the Straw Hats’ heads after they drunk themselves into a stupor partying, but Zoro had enough restraint to keep himself sober and defeat them. Luffy, who would otherwise trust his TrueCompanions through thick and thin, refused to listen to his earliest crewmate Zoro’s explanation for what was going on, and relentlessly attacked him with explicit intent for murder. The fight is at least put in a comedic light, particularly their OffhandBackhand of Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine, and slapstick from Nami ultimately stopping them.
** Luffy and Jimbei briefly grab the ball in the Fishman Island arc when the latter insists that the former stay out of the upcoming fight against Hody so the civilians don’t just see “a human beating down a Fishman for trying to stand up against them”... except the Fishman in question is the ArcVillain who is threatening to kill the King and drive out everyone who won’t acquiesce to his crusade against humanity, [[DoNotAdjustYourSet and in the same public speech]] directly picked a fight with Luffy using the lives of some captured crew members. Anyone who’d be confused about Luffy’s motives for fighting Hody afterwards would have to be brainless, yet Jimbei is so stubborn about this that he resorts to violence to stop Luffy from leaving. Their onlooking friends are suitably confused as to why a fight is starting.
* The Soul Society in ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' does more than occasionally show fondness for this trope as Captain Yamamoto and Central 46 have been considered to do this before. Though some are willing to contest the former, the latter not so much.
** Which is a little odd considering how little the Central 46 have actually been in it; their biggest mistake was exiling Urahara for a crime he didn't commit, but was expertly framed for by [[spoiler:Aizen]]. In the Soul Society arc they were presented as ruthless pedantic to the point of LawfulStupid, if not plain evil, in wanting Rukia dead, but this too was a ploy by [[spoiler: Aizen as he had actually murdered all of them already and had taken their place]].
*** The problem with these is that between Yamamoto and Central 46, one will suggest a plan of action and the other will agree out of respect, seemingly without taking into consideration whether this plan was good or not. Also, almost every problem encountered in, say, the movies, the fillers, and many in the canon are their fault. In the Bount arc, it's revealed that Central 46 ordered genocide of the Bounts because they ''might'' eat human souls to get stronger, despite the fact that they didn't really show any definite desire to do this. In the second movie, Central 46 decided that since Hitsugaya and his friend had the same Zanpakuto in two different forms, that one of them needed to die... for some unexplained reason. When Urahara tried to blame [[spoiler:Aizen]], Central 46 informed him they had collected witness statements from ''200 shinigami'' to confirm [[spoiler:Aizen]]'s whereabouts at the time in question. Urahara didn't have a leg to stand on, especially as he was caught "red handed" with the forbidden hollowfication research (and victims). Revealed earlier in the series, but chronologically later, forging this would be child's play for [[spoiler:Aizen]].
** Uryu Ishida [[spoiler:joins the [[PuttingOnTheReich Vandenreich]], a Quincy Empire, during the final arc. It's clear from the start that he's just there to avenge his mother, so the BigBad Yhwach declares him [[KickedUpstairs successor to the throne]] to keep him on a short leash from the harsh scrutiny of his subordinates. Without any real plan to fight Yhwach for most of the arc (he eventually decides on collapsing a castle that wasn't created until well over halfway into the arc, and that was sabotaged before it went anywhere), Uryu picks a fight with his friends twice just to force a subplot over bringing him out of his supposed FaceHeelTurn]].
* In ''Anime/ProjectAKo'' B-Ko's desire for C-Ko probably would have gone better if she didn't antagonize A-Ko so much. One might think that while conflict is an absolute necessity in an action story but then [[FridgeLogic you realize]] that B-Ko wasn't exactly the main antagonist in the 1st movie.
* Mousse from ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' is almost always in conflict with the titular protagonist, which is absurd when you realize that their primary goals regarding Shampoo coincide perfectly. They have literally no reason to fight, since (aside from his massive ego) Ranma should love an opportunity to remove one unwanted love interest, and Mousse should be happy to have at least one ally who will want to see Shampoo end up with Mousse. But that would be too easy, so instead Mousse is too blind to see the reality, and Ranma just responds as usual to someone attacking him.
* In the ''Manga/{{Area 88}}'' manga, it seems implausible to have Shin go into temporary psychosis upon learning that Kanzaki was flying a commercial plane near the base. Nor was it plausible for a frenzied Shin to attack said commercial plane, then attack Saki and Mickey once he was back on the ground.

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** Another case is Luffy’s Luffy's fight with Zoro in Whiskey Peak. The people there were actually assassins who intended to take the Straw Hats’ Hats' heads after they drunk themselves into a stupor partying, but Zoro had enough restraint to keep himself sober and defeat them. Luffy, who would otherwise trust his TrueCompanions through thick and thin, refused to listen to his earliest crewmate Zoro’s Zoro's explanation for what was going on, and relentlessly attacked him with explicit intent for murder. The fight is at least put in a comedic light, particularly their OffhandBackhand of Mr. 5 and Miss Valentine, and slapstick from Nami ultimately stopping them.
** Luffy and Jimbei briefly grab the ball in the Fishman Island arc when the latter insists that the former stay out of the upcoming fight against Hody so the civilians don’t don't just see “a "a human beating down a Fishman for trying to stand up against them”... them"... except the Fishman in question is the ArcVillain who is threatening to kill the King and drive out everyone who won’t won't acquiesce to his crusade against humanity, [[DoNotAdjustYourSet and in the same public speech]] directly picked a fight with Luffy using the lives of some captured crew members. Anyone who’d who'd be confused about Luffy’s Luffy's motives for fighting Hody afterwards would have to be brainless, yet Jimbei is so stubborn about this that he resorts to violence to stop Luffy from leaving. Their onlooking friends are suitably confused as to why a fight is starting.
* The Soul Society in ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' does more than occasionally show fondness for this trope as Captain Yamamoto and Central 46 have been considered to do this before. Though some are willing to contest the former, the latter not so much.
** Which is a little odd considering how little the Central 46 have actually been in it; their biggest mistake was exiling Urahara for a crime he didn't commit, but was expertly framed for by [[spoiler:Aizen]]. In the Soul Society arc they were presented as ruthless pedantic to the point of LawfulStupid, if not plain evil, in wanting Rukia dead, but this too was a ploy by [[spoiler: Aizen as he had actually murdered all of them already and had taken their place]].
*** The problem with these is that between Yamamoto and Central 46, one will suggest a plan of action and the other will agree out of respect, seemingly without taking into consideration whether this plan was good or not. Also, almost every problem encountered in, say, the movies, the fillers, and many in the canon are their fault. In the Bount arc, it's revealed that Central 46 ordered genocide of the Bounts because they ''might'' eat human souls to get stronger, despite the fact that they didn't really show any definite desire to do this. In the second movie, Central 46 decided that since Hitsugaya and his friend had the same Zanpakuto in two different forms, that one of them needed to die... for some unexplained reason. When Urahara tried to blame [[spoiler:Aizen]], Central 46 informed him they had collected witness statements from ''200 shinigami'' to confirm [[spoiler:Aizen]]'s whereabouts at the time in question. Urahara didn't have a leg to stand on, especially as he was caught "red handed" with the forbidden hollowfication research (and victims). Revealed earlier in the series, but chronologically later, forging this would be child's play for [[spoiler:Aizen]].
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''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': Uryu Ishida [[spoiler:joins the [[PuttingOnTheReich Vandenreich]], Vandenreich, a Quincy Empire, during the final arc. It's clear from the start that he's just there to avenge his mother, so the BigBad Yhwach declares him [[KickedUpstairs successor to the throne]] to keep him on a short leash from the harsh scrutiny of his subordinates. Without any real plan to fight Yhwach for most of the arc (he eventually decides on collapsing a castle that wasn't created until well over halfway into the arc, and that was sabotaged before it went anywhere), Uryu picks a fight with his friends twice just to force a subplot over bringing him out of his supposed FaceHeelTurn]].
* In ''Anime/ProjectAKo'' ''Anime/ProjectAKo'': B-Ko's desire for C-Ko probably would have gone better if she didn't antagonize A-Ko so much. One might think that while conflict is an absolute necessity in an action story but then [[FridgeLogic you realize]] that B-Ko wasn't exactly the main antagonist in the 1st movie.
* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'': Mousse from ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'' is almost always in conflict with the titular protagonist, which is absurd when you realize that their primary goals regarding Shampoo coincide perfectly. They have literally no reason to fight, since (aside from his massive ego) Ranma should love an opportunity to remove one unwanted love interest, and Mousse should be happy to have at least one ally who will want to see Shampoo end up with Mousse. But that would be too easy, so instead Mousse is too blind to see the reality, and Ranma just responds as usual to someone attacking him.
* In the ''Manga/{{Area 88}}'' manga, it ''Manga/Area88'': It seems implausible to have Shin go into temporary psychosis upon learning that Kanzaki was flying a commercial plane near the base. Nor was it plausible for a frenzied Shin to attack said commercial plane, then attack Saki and Mickey once he was back on the ground.



* The ComicBook/CivilWar in Creator/MarvelComics. Many characters are fighting over the issue of a SuperRegistrationAct, but insist on LetsYouAndHimFight with some of their fastest friends rather than getting their act together to prove their case (pro or anti) and finding a solution that doesn't result in very necessary heroes being hunted down like dogs, or ''more'' battles as the pro and anti sides fight and invariably give villains free rein in the chaos. In the end, the Pro side got {{Designated Villain}}s to [[DebateAndSwitch simplify the debate]].
** Also, one of the ''leading advocates'' of the new SuperRegistrationAct, [[ComicBook/MisterFantastic Reed Richards]], had previously [[AesopAmnesia singlehandedly thwarted an attempt at what was apparently the exact same thing]]. While it's hard to be sure since Marvel never bothered to tell readers ''exactly'' what was in the new version (or the old one for that matter), and it was inconsistently described from one comic to the next, the only thing we know for sure is different between the two is that the version Reed ''supports'' involves [[DesignatedHero permanently imprisoning violators in what amounts to]] '''[[DesignatedHero Hell]]''', while the one he opposed did not. [[ComicBook/HumanTorch Johnny]] even angrily points this out to Reed in Creator/{{Dwayne McDuffie}}'s ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' tie-in to the event. He also notes that not only does Reed routinely disobey the law in order to serve the greater good, but that the ''whole reason the Fantastic Four even exist is because he performed an unauthorized space launch''.
* ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' is this in SPADES to the point where people are hoping for a huge retcon to make it all a fever dream or something. The main conflict comes from the Phoenix coming back to Earth to find a new host, which most likely will be Comicbook/HopeSummers, the Mutant Messiah. The Avengers decide that they must stop it, since the Phoenix is killing people on its way back, and they want to take Hope off-world. The X-Men want Hope to stay on Earth so that she can repopulate the mutant race. The plot kicks off with the Avengers, particularly Comicbook/CaptainAmerica, deciding to take the reigns of the destiny of the mutant race, [[BystanderSyndrome even though they've never shown much concern for mutants.]] But wait, you could just have Cap tell Cyclops to have Hope meet the Phoenix in space, which would lower the risk... Instead he shows up on Utopia and demands that Cyclops hand over his granddaughter... Cyclops then blasts Cap, Cap then calls in back up, Cyclops does the same, Hope runs away, and loads and loads of fighting ensues. The rest of the plot consists of the Avengers [[BullyingADragon antagonizing the X-Men who possess the Phoenix]], which was [[NiceJobBreakingItHero split thanks to]] ComicBook/IronMan. You may have noticed that, if both sides had sat down and talked this over like actual adults, then there would've been no problem. The plot can be summed up as follows:
-->'''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica''': Avengers assemble!
-->'''{{ComicBook/Cyclops}}''': To me, my X-Men!
--> *Punch punch punch*
** It gets worse. ComicBook/RachelSummers used the Phoenix for years with no ill effects. ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} knows this. Wolverine is an Avenger, and, in fact, is the guy who gave Cap his intel... His horribly outdated and bias intel. The conflict requires both sides to ignore the existence of Rachel Summers, her history and basically most Phoenix-related stories outside of ''Comicbook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga''. You may think that the writers merely forgot about Rachel... Except that she is still a prominent character in the X-books, and ''she actually has a role in the story''. She just never speaks up about the Phoenix for no apparent reason.
* In a ComicBook/BlackPanther comic, T'Challa is explaining his plan to take out a vampire infested city to ComicBook/LukeCage, Brother Voodoo and Comicbook/{{Blade}}. Blade tells T'Challa that just because he runs a country doesn't mean he can tell him what to do. Cage says Blade is being difficult for no reason since he doesn't have a plan. Blade admits to it and says he just doesn't want to be part of a team. So T'Challa tells Blade to go off on his own and this immediately puts him in a good mood, so good he gives Luke Cage one of his guns before leaving. Blade and John Blaze also traded the conflict ball around in the various Midnight Sons series. One notable example was after Blade had a possession exorcised and returned with information vital to the team but Blaze wouldn't hear any of it and threatened to shoot him.

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* The ComicBook/CivilWar in Creator/MarvelComics. ''ComicBook/CivilWar2006'': Many characters are fighting over the issue of a SuperRegistrationAct, but insist on LetsYouAndHimFight with some of their fastest best friends rather than getting their act together to prove their case (pro or anti) and finding a solution that doesn't result in very necessary heroes being hunted down like dogs, or ''more'' battles as the pro and anti sides fight and invariably give villains free rein in the chaos. In the end, the Pro side got {{Designated Villain}}s to [[DebateAndSwitch simplify the debate]].
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debate]]. Also, one of the ''leading advocates'' of the new SuperRegistrationAct, [[ComicBook/MisterFantastic Reed Richards]], had previously [[AesopAmnesia singlehandedly thwarted an attempt at what was apparently the exact same thing]]. While it's hard to be sure since Marvel never bothered to tell readers ''exactly'' what was in the new version (or the old one for that matter), and it was inconsistently described from one comic to the next, the only thing we know for sure is different between the two is that the version Reed ''supports'' involves [[DesignatedHero permanently imprisoning violators in what amounts to]] '''[[DesignatedHero Hell]]''', while the one he opposed did not. [[ComicBook/HumanTorch Johnny]] even angrily points this out to Reed in Creator/{{Dwayne McDuffie}}'s ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' tie-in to the event. He also notes that not only does Reed routinely disobey the law in order to serve the greater good, but that the ''whole reason the Fantastic Four even exist is because he performed an unauthorized space launch''.
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* ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'' is this in SPADES to the point where people are hoping for a huge retcon to make it all a fever dream or something. ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'': The main conflict comes from the Phoenix coming back to Earth to find a new host, which most likely will be Comicbook/HopeSummers, the Mutant Messiah.Hope Summers. The Avengers decide that they must stop it, since the Phoenix is killing people on its way back, and they want to take Hope off-world. The X-Men want Hope to stay on Earth so that she can repopulate the mutant race. The plot kicks off with the Avengers, particularly Comicbook/CaptainAmerica, deciding to take the reigns Instead of the destiny of the mutant race, [[BystanderSyndrome even though they've never shown much concern for mutants.]] But wait, you could just have Cap tell suggesting Cyclops to have Hope meet the Phoenix in space, which would lower the risk... Instead he risk, Cap shows up on Utopia and demands that Cyclops hand over his granddaughter...granddaughter. Cyclops then blasts Cap, Cap then calls in back up, Cyclops does the same, Hope runs away, and loads and loads of fighting ensues. The rest of the plot consists of the Avengers [[BullyingADragon antagonizing the X-Men who possess the Phoenix]], Phoenix, which was [[NiceJobBreakingItHero split thanks to]] to ComicBook/IronMan. You may The plot might have noticed that, been averted if both sides had sat down and talked this over like actual adults, then there would've been no problem. The plot can be summed up as follows:
-->'''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica''': Avengers assemble!
-->'''{{ComicBook/Cyclops}}''': To me, my X-Men!
--> *Punch punch punch*
** It gets worse. ComicBook/RachelSummers used the Phoenix for years with no ill effects. ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} knows this. Wolverine is an Avenger, and, in fact, is the guy who gave Cap his intel... His horribly outdated and bias intel. The conflict requires both sides to ignore the existence of Rachel Summers, her history and basically most Phoenix-related stories outside of ''Comicbook/TheDarkPhoenixSaga''. You may think that the writers merely forgot about Rachel... Except that she is still a prominent character in the X-books, and ''she actually has a role in the story''. She just never speaks up about the Phoenix for no apparent reason.
adults.
* In a ComicBook/BlackPanther comic, T'Challa is explaining his plan to take out a vampire infested city to ComicBook/LukeCage, Brother Voodoo and Comicbook/{{Blade}}.ComicBook/{{Blade}}. Blade tells T'Challa that just because he runs a country doesn't mean he can tell him what to do. Cage says Blade is being difficult for no reason since he doesn't have a plan. Blade admits to it and says he just doesn't want to be part of a team. So T'Challa tells Blade to go off on his own and this immediately puts him in a good mood, so good he gives Luke Cage one of his guns before leaving. Blade and John Blaze also traded the conflict ball around in the various Midnight Sons series. One notable example was after Blade had a possession exorcised and returned with information vital to the team but Blaze wouldn't hear any of it and threatened to shoot him.



* In the ''ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey'' series, Comicbook/{{Huntress}} is a living Conflict Ball between ComicBook/{{Batman}} and ComicBook/{{Oracle}}. Batman is always suspicious of Helena thanks to her past (she killed mobsters in her campaign to avenge her parents -- who were also mobsters), and Oracle is always willing to give her a chance.

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* In the ''ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey'' series, Comicbook/{{Huntress}} Huntress is a living Conflict Ball conflict source between ComicBook/{{Batman}} Batman and ComicBook/{{Oracle}}. Barbara Gordon. Batman is always suspicious of Helena thanks to her past (she killed mobsters in her campaign to avenge her parents -- who were also mobsters), and Oracle Babs is always willing to give her a chance.



* ComicBook/{{Batman}} and [[ComicBook/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] were not always at odds. The rationale for Batman disliking Green Lantern was initially because Batman did not trust Hal after he became [[DemonicPossession Parallax]]. But that eventually got {{Retcon}}ned so that they never liked each other from the start, with little convincing justification as to why. John Stewart once claimed that it was because Batman's main schtick is instilling fear, and Hal, having the ability to "overcome great fear", never "bought what he was selling". But that doesn't explain why Batman doesn't dislike ComicBook/{{Superman}}, ComicBook/WonderWoman, ComicBook/TheFlash, or any number of other superheroes who also don't seem to be afraid of him. The New 52 Justice League [[ContinuityReboot rebooted version]] seems to suggest that Batman doesn't like Green Lantern because he's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold.
* ComicBook/MaryJaneWatson went from supporting, loving partner to ComicBook/SpiderMan who understood his need to be a hero, to someone who all of a sudden couldn't handle the pressure and questioned his accomplishments, even belittling the "With Great Power..." mantra. She finally left Spider-Man being threatened by an average thug (despite being attacked by villains such as Venom, the Green Goblin and Spider-Slayers) with the argument that she couldn't deal with the notion that her life could be in danger. She's recently realized that she does love Peter, but for some reason has yet to actually tell him this. And when she does, [[Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan Peter's not entirely home.]] It gets worse once Peter DOES get back: once Peter explains everything, Mary Jane reveals she kinda figured that and reaffirms that being with him and being in danger is ridiculous and goes off with her boyfriend. Even more, Carlie Cooper decides to wander off as well, deciding that living away from Peter and this sort of crap is a good thing.

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* ComicBook/{{Batman}} and [[ComicBook/GreenLantern ComicBook/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] Jordan were not always at odds. The rationale for Batman disliking Green Lantern was initially because Batman did not trust Hal after he became was possessed by [[DemonicPossession Parallax]]. But that eventually got {{Retcon}}ned so ''ComicBook/GreenLanternRebirth'' stated that they never liked each other from the start, with little convincing justification as to why. John Stewart once claimed claiming that it was because Batman's main schtick is instilling fear, and Hal, having the ability to "overcome great fear", never "bought what he was selling". But that doesn't explain why Batman doesn't dislike ComicBook/{{Superman}}, ComicBook/WonderWoman, ComicBook/TheFlash, or any number of other superheroes who also don't seem to be afraid of him. The New 52 Justice League [[ContinuityReboot rebooted version]] ''ComicBook/JusticeLeague2011'' seems to suggest that Batman doesn't like Green Lantern because he's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold.
* ComicBook/MaryJaneWatson ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'': Mary Jane Watson went from supporting, loving partner to ComicBook/SpiderMan Peter who understood his need to be a hero, to someone who all of a sudden couldn't handle the pressure and questioned his accomplishments, even belittling the "With Great Power..." mantra. She finally left Spider-Man being threatened by an average thug (despite being attacked by villains such as Venom, the Green Goblin and Spider-Slayers) with the argument that she couldn't deal with the notion that her life could be in danger. She's recently realized that she does love Peter, but for some reason has yet to actually tell him this. And when she does, [[Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan Peter's not entirely home.]] It gets worse once Peter DOES get back: once Peter explains everything, Mary Jane reveals she kinda figured that and reaffirms that being with him and being in danger is ridiculous and goes off with her boyfriend. Even more, Carlie Cooper decides to wander off as well, deciding that living away from Peter and this sort of crap is a good thing.



* ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} catches the ball and flies away with it in ''ComicBook/HelOnEarth''. She cannot accept the fact that she's been in stasis for twenty years and that her formerly baby cousin (Superman) has grown up in that time. As such she refuses to listen to anything he says. This came back to bite her in the ass when [[spoiler: she ended up in a relationship with H'El despite everyone else telling her that it was a bad idea]]. Although Superman and the Justice League aren't exactly faultless here either, ignoring several opportunities to explain ''why'' she shouldn't trust H'El and letting her go on believing that they're trying to stop the two of them from going back in time and saving their home planet from destruction just ''because''.

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* ''ComicBook/HelOnEarth'': ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} catches the ball and flies away with it in ''ComicBook/HelOnEarth''.it. She cannot accept the fact that she's been in stasis for twenty years and that her formerly baby cousin (Superman) has grown up in that time. As such she refuses to listen to anything he says. This came back to bite her in the ass when [[spoiler: she ended up in a relationship with H'El despite everyone else telling her that it was a bad idea]]. Although Superman and the Justice League aren't exactly faultless here either, ignoring several opportunities to explain ''why'' she shouldn't trust H'El and letting her go on believing that they're trying to stop the two of them from going back in time and saving their home planet from destruction just ''because''.



* In ''[[ComicBook/{{Swordquest}} Swordquest: Fireworld]]'', twin orphans Torr and Tarra have an argument shortly after arriving and go their separate ways. There is no rhyme or reason for this other than to separate them for the sake of the plot, and it's even lampshaded when they wonder why they were suddenly short-tempered.
* In ''ComicBook/TeenTitansRebirth'', the Titans sans [[Characters/RobinDamianWayne Damian]] catch this after [[Characters/SupermanJonathanSamuelKent Jon's]] [[PowerIncontinence powers go haywire]] and level Titans Tower. Raven and Beast Boy support Savior (a BadFuture counterpart of [[ComicBook/Robin1993 Tim Drake]]) in capturing and neutralizing Jon or his powers. They continue to support Savior even after he admitted to their faces that he plans on killing Jon, a [[WouldHurtAChild very confused and emotionally distraught ten-year-old]], and is fully willing to murder the rest of the Titans if they get in his way. Aqualad, Starfire, and Kid Flash race to find Jon and Damian first before Savior's plans come to fruition.

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* In ''[[ComicBook/{{Swordquest}} Swordquest: Fireworld]]'', ''ComicBook/{{Swordquest}}: Fireworld'', twin orphans Torr and Tarra have an argument shortly after arriving and go their separate ways. There is no rhyme or reason for this other than to separate them for the sake of the plot, and it's even lampshaded when they wonder why they were suddenly short-tempered.
* In ''ComicBook/TeenTitansRebirth'', the Titans sans [[Characters/RobinDamianWayne Damian]] catch this after [[Characters/SupermanJonathanSamuelKent Jon's]] [[PowerIncontinence powers go haywire]] and level Titans Tower. Raven and Beast Boy support Savior (a BadFuture counterpart of [[ComicBook/Robin1993 Tim Drake]]) Drake) in capturing and neutralizing Jon or his powers. They continue to support Savior even after he admitted to their faces that he plans on killing Jon, a [[WouldHurtAChild very confused and emotionally distraught ten-year-old]], and is fully willing to murder the rest of the Titans if they get in his way. Aqualad, Starfire, and Kid Flash race to find Jon and Damian first before Savior's plans come to fruition.



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* In ''FanFic/MyImmortal'', everything everyone does seems to be a bit arbitrary and stupid, but the conflicts bear special mention. Dumbledore appears to be portrayed as a prep because he's not goffik enough, and therefore he must hate all goffs and act cruel and mean to them, [[ForTheEvulz just because]]. [[BigBad Voldemort]] also appears to be the story's seeker in terms of conflict balls.

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* In ''FanFic/MyImmortal'', ''Fanfic/MyImmortal'', everything everyone does seems to be a bit arbitrary and stupid, but the conflicts bear special mention. Dumbledore appears to be portrayed as a prep because he's not goffik enough, and therefore he must hate all goffs and act cruel and mean to them, [[ForTheEvulz just because]]. [[BigBad Voldemort]] also appears to be the story's seeker in terms of conflict balls.



*** See also the Council during the ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'' series. Internal politics and hypocritical bickering between members, rash judgments and plans that are enacted without considering the obvious, sensible alternatives, aggressive approaches to undo plots of a villain who could be handled without the need to lift a lightsaber. It gets pretty bad.

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*** See also the ** The Council during the ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'' series. Internal politics and hypocritical bickering between members, rash judgments and plans that are enacted without considering the obvious, sensible alternatives, aggressive approaches to undo plots of a villain who could be handled without the need to lift a lightsaber. It gets pretty bad.



* ''{{Film/Apollo 13}}'' has astronauts Jack Swigert and Fred Haise argue over what may have caused their mission's accident. In real life, no such arguments occurred at all, and was added because WordOfGod thought [[RealityIsUnrealistic it didn't seem right]] that they were completely together through the rest of the mission. It is ultimately {{justified|Trope}} afterwards, when they discover their [=CO2=] levels have gone up considerably and it's affecting their judgment.

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* ''{{Film/Apollo 13}}'' ''Film/Apollo13'' has astronauts Jack Swigert and Fred Haise argue over what may have caused their mission's accident. In real life, no such arguments occurred at all, and was added because WordOfGod thought [[RealityIsUnrealistic it didn't seem right]] that they were completely together through the rest of the mission. It is ultimately {{justified|Trope}} afterwards, when they discover their [=CO2=] levels have gone up considerably and it's affecting their judgment.



** A popular fan theory is that Baelish was actually responsible for Ned's death in the first place by making certain "suggestions" to Joffrey, although this rumor hasn't been confirmed yet. In the second book, Varys hints to Tyrion (who misses the hint) that someone else was responsible for making the decision to kill Ned, and later Baelish tells Sansa that sometimes it was hard leading Joffrey to water and persuading him to drink (paraphrased).



*** It could be argued that everyone involved had been dealing with an intensely dangerous and stressful situation for months (passage of time is unclear), and there were apparently 20-30 people living in a small 3-bedroom house at this point, leading to everyones' nerves being frayed. Now, why they decided to have that many people living in a tight confined space is unclear, especially when it was shown that TheDragon had previously used explosives to destroy an entire building of their allies.....

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*** ** It could be argued that everyone involved had been dealing with an intensely dangerous and stressful situation for months (passage of time is unclear), and there were apparently 20-30 people living in a small 3-bedroom house at this point, leading to everyones' nerves being frayed. Now, why they decided to have that many people living in a tight confined space is unclear, especially when it was shown that TheDragon had previously used explosives to destroy an entire building of their allies.....



* “War Stories” in ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' had Wash get jealous of his wife Zoe’s bond with Mal, despite it never showing up previously. Possibly partly intentional as it seems to be an episode long TakeThat at Fox urging Joss Whedon to have Zoe and Wash unmarried so maybe she’d later hook up with Mal. Mal uses the jealousy to goad Wash into a CockFight of sorts so he won’t give in while being tortured.

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* “War Stories” in ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' ''{{Series/Firefly}}'': "War Stories" had Wash get jealous of his wife Zoe’s Zoe's bond with Mal, despite it never showing up previously. Possibly partly intentional as it seems to be an episode long TakeThat at Fox urging Joss Whedon to have Zoe and Wash unmarried so maybe she’d later hook up with Mal. Mal uses the jealousy to goad Wash into a CockFight of sorts so he won’t won't give in while being tortured.



* The [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}} Imperium of Man]] would have a few less problems if they decided to wait and figure out whether or not a Xenos species needs to be exterminated before doing so (most of them do need that, though). Either that or one would cause a lot of damage while they were busy deciding.

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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': The [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer40000}} Imperium of Man]] Man would have a few less problems if they decided to wait and figure out whether or not a Xenos species needs to be exterminated before doing so (most of them do need that, though). Either that or one would cause a lot of damage while they were busy deciding.



** [[CreatorsPet Varian and Garrosh]] were ''walking'' Conflict Balls until Varian gained CharacterDevelopment and Garrosh became so much of a villain that the Horde finally rebelled against him.

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** [[CreatorsPet Varian and Garrosh]] Garrosh were ''walking'' Conflict Balls until Varian gained CharacterDevelopment and Garrosh became so much of a villain that the Horde finally rebelled against him.



** Sylvannas carries leading into ''Battle for Azeorth'' when she launches the War of Thorns. The conflict already had genocidal overtones with the Forsaken slaughtering civilians and the Horde driving furbolg out of their homes, but it got worse when she ''ordered the burning of Teldrassil''. Thousands of civilians died when the World Tree burned, uniting the Alliance against the Horde for all-out war.[[note]]It turns out she was invoking WarForFunAndProfit, the profit being souls for her patron The Jailer to collect. Still, she could have had a higher chance of success if she conquered the Alliance by attrition and then sabotaged her own One World Horder into causing a worldwide apocalypse. Oh well.[[/note]]
*** Even in-universe, characters note that this ball makes little sense for Sylvannas. She threw away the strategic advantage of capturing Darnassus in favor of an act that would only serve to make her cause more war.

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** Sylvannas carries leading into ''Battle for Azeorth'' when she launches the War of Thorns. The conflict already had genocidal overtones with the Forsaken slaughtering civilians and the Horde driving furbolg out of their homes, but it got worse when she ''ordered the burning of Teldrassil''. Thousands of civilians died when the World Tree burned, uniting the Alliance against the Horde for all-out war.[[note]]It (It turns out she was invoking WarForFunAndProfit, the profit being souls for her patron The Jailer to collect. Still, she could have had a higher chance of success if she conquered the Alliance by attrition and then sabotaged her own One World Horder into causing a worldwide apocalypse. Oh well.[[/note]]
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Even in-universe, characters note that this ball makes little sense for Sylvannas. She threw away the strategic advantage of capturing Darnassus in favor of an act that would only serve to make her cause more war.



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* ''Literature/TheRisingOfTeShieldHero'': The brief conflict between Naofumi and Raphtalia after the former lost the latter as his slave. When Raphtalia was taken hostage by the other heroes and the royalty, under the assumption she is controlled by the Shield Hero, Motoyasu challenges him to duel if he wants her back. Initially, Naofumi gained the upper hand, but Malty cheated behind his back, which lead to his defeat in hands of Motoyasu. Afterwards, in a fit of grief, he hallucinates her betraying him the same way Malty did and walking out on him. This caused him to activate the Rage Shield, which clouds his mind and cause him to lose the ability to be reasoned with. When Raphtalia ditches him and calls out on his crap, she walks up to Naofumi who, despite treating her well earlier, refuses to listen to her explanation she believes in him innocence and angrily ignores her, whining that nobody believes in him at all, and blaming his shield for all his misfortunes. This stops when Raphtalia persists and [[YouAreNotAlone brings him back]] [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre to his senses.]]

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* ''Literature/TheRisingOfTeShieldHero'': ''Literature/TheRisingOfTheShieldHero'': The brief conflict between Naofumi and Raphtalia after the former lost the latter as his slave. When Raphtalia was taken hostage by the other heroes and the royalty, under the assumption she is controlled by the Shield Hero, Motoyasu challenges him to duel if he wants her back. Initially, Naofumi gained the upper hand, but Malty cheated behind his back, which lead to his defeat in hands of Motoyasu. Afterwards, in a fit of grief, he hallucinates her betraying him the same way Malty did and walking out on him. This caused him to activate the Rage Shield, which clouds his mind and cause him to lose the ability to be reasoned with. When Raphtalia ditches him and calls out on his crap, she walks up to Naofumi who, despite treating her well earlier, refuses to listen to her explanation she believes in him innocence and angrily ignores her, whining that nobody believes in him at all, and blaming his shield for all his misfortunes. This stops when Raphtalia persists and [[YouAreNotAlone brings him back]] [[YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre to his senses.]]
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*** While [[GenkiGirl the original Kimi]] adored her new step-brother, as the two got older, Kimi would develop a [[LittleMissSnarker snarky attitude]] and become so wrapped up in her own interests that she disregards how Chuckie (or anyone else) feels, or would often force / blackmail him to support her ideas. Chuckie on the other hand simply [[ExtremeDoormat turns the other cheek]] and goes out his way for her best interest, without receiving too many thanks, let alone apologies.

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*** While [[GenkiGirl the original Kimi]] adored her new step-brother, as the two got older, Kimi would develop a [[LittleMissSnarker snarky attitude]] and become so wrapped up in her own interests that she disregards how Chuckie (or anyone else) feels, or would often force / blackmail him to support her ideas. Chuckie on the other hand simply [[ExtremeDoormat turns the other cheek]] and goes out his way for her best interest, without receiving too many thanks, let alone apologies. The one time he did fight back against Kimi was when she started a petition to ban cellphones and she roped Chuckie into campaigning on her behalf even though Chuckie didn't care either way. And even then, he only did so because Angelica got in his ear (she was running a counter petition to keep cellphones, but no one would sign because, well, it was Angelica running it. [[note]]Even those in favor of keeping cellphones figured that they'd win out as long as they didn't sign either petition [[/note]]. She thought that the more likeable Chuckie would be better suited to campaign for ''her'' cause.)

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