[-[[caption-width-right:242:When your bad guy is ''this'' bad, almost anyone can become a good guy.]]-]

->''"Let me give you some advice, Captain. It may help you to make sense of the world. I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides."''
-->-- '''Lord Vetinari''', ''Discworld/GuardsGuards''

It is often found in fictional media that the [[BlackAndWhiteMorality protagonist/antagonist conflict]] takes the form of the [[KnightInShiningArmor shining knight]] whose breath smells of flowers and has holy light shining from his every orifice versus the very fount of all evil who EatsBabies as a hobby, and [[KickTheDog Kicks Dogs]] as a profession.

In an effort to portray "realistic" conflicts, writers often [[GreyAndGrayMorality introduce flaws in their heroes and redeeming qualities in their villains]].

These can be deeply unsatisfying. Movie-goers want a hero to celebrate and a villain to vilify. But if both sides have flaws and redeeming qualities, [[ViewersAreMorons how do they know which is which]]? How can a writer create such a satisfying world without making it all impossibly unrealistic?

It's simple: leave the job half-done. Only the white gets removed, leaving behind a CrapsackWorld where the choice is between mundane corruption and baby-eating supervillainy. This is the essence of ''Black and Gray Morality''; the only choices are between kinda evil and soul-crushingly evil.

Obviously, the heroes of such settings tend to be {{antihero}}es. In such a world, any characters who appear to be good in any way will eventually be revealed as a KnightTemplar in disguise, a DarkMessiah inches from the edge, or a [[MoralDissonance deeply flawed]] AntiHero. And if there ''are'' any [[WideEyedIdealist genuinely good]] characters on the show, they'll either 'come around' to TheDarkSide, die horribly, remain a figure of [[ButtMonkey perpetual mockery]] or, if ''very'' lucky, [[KnightInSourArmor grow a protective shell of cynicism]].

A good litmus test for this trope is as follows:

# Do the protagonists regularly get away with ruthless or amoral actions?
# Are they still unquestionably painted as being "on the right side?" By virtue of the other side being worse? Whether the author is successful or not does not matter.

If so, you've got a classic case of Black and Gray Morality.

As always, it is important to remember that TropesAreTools. If this is mishandled, it can make the protagonist difficult to sympathize with and lead to DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.

For serious cases where both sides are so black there are no more shades of grey among them anymore, see EvilVersusEvil.

See also ShadesOfConflict, GreyAndGrayMorality, BlackAndWhiteMorality, CrapsackWorld, SlidingScaleOfIdealismVsCynicism. The inverse is ButNotTooEvil. Contrast with WhiteAndGreyMorality, where everyone has some nobility to them, and DesignatedHero, which is what happens when the story portrays a side as White when the audience see them as Gray (or Black).

If there are 'true' heroes around along with the 'kinda bad' and 'very bad' characters described above, it's TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil. Coming from the opposite side is ALighterShadeOfBlack, where an EvilVersusEvil conflict is left with one mildly sympathetic side by not making them as unrelentingly evil as their opponents, while both are still plain evil.

%%NoRealLifeExamplesPlease Labeling sides in RealLife wars is too controversial and would be asking for an EditWar.




[[folder:{{Anime}} and {{Manga}}]]
* ''Manga/{{Akira}}''. You know something's screwed up when the members of a biker gang who take drugs, vandalize property and violently attack their enemies with no remorse are the main good guys.
* In ''Manga/HighschoolOfTheDead'', the protagonists are HeroicNeutral on their very best of days, [[TrueNeutral True]] or ChaoticNeutral on a good day, and ApatheticCitizens on a normal day. The BigBad, on the other hand...
* Everyone is [[AxCrazy violent and insane]] in ''Manga/DeadmanWonderland''. Whether you're in the 'black' or the 'gray' bit is determined by whether you torture anyone. Or take away anesthetic. That's it. If you give someone painkillers, you're a good guy.
* In ''[[Manga/{{ElfenLied}} Elfen Lied]]'', we have a [[TragicVillain tragic]] [[VillainProtagonist mass-murderer]], an [[HairTriggerTemper overly aggressive]] [[NobleDemon hitman]], and an [[TheUnfettered excessively]] [[NecessaryEvil pragmatic]] executive up against a slew of [[MadScientist mad scientists]], [[PsychoForHire psychopathic assassins]], and [[EnfantTerrible sadistic children]].
* ''Franchise/GhostInTheShell''
** The members of Section 9 rarely show any reservations about using theft, murder, blackmail, and invading people's cybernetic brains, all outside of legal regulations. Although they are mostly good people at heart and often save lots of innocent people from harm, while the antagonists can be found at any points on the scale of blackness.
* Most UC ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' series use this, wherein the heroes work for the lesser of two evils. For example, in the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', the heroes fight for TheFederation, which is run by greedy, elitist old men, while fighting [[TheEmpire Zeon]], which is...well...[[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi Germany]] [[RecycledINSPACE IN SPACE]].
** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'' falls more into BlackAndWhiteMorality, with the [=AEUG=] as a whole being more heroic than the Federation in the other UC series, and the Titans being just as bad as Zeon.
* Apart from Puck and the Elves, you will be ''very'' hard pressed to find anyone who's genuinely good in ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' who isn't doomed to a horrific fate. In fact, it borders on ALighterShadeOfBlack, due to how [[CrapsackWorld crapsack]] [[TheDungAges the world is]].
* [[WordOfGod The authors]] of ''Manga/DeathNote'' have declared that L (who sacrifices the life of a death row convict to get some clues, and only takes on cases if they interest him) is a little evil and [[VillainProtagonist Light]] (who kills thousands of criminals and a bunch of innocents [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans in order to create a perfect world]]) is ''very'' evil. The cover of the first live action movie adaptation even has Light against a black backdrop and L against a gray one.
** Soichiro, his wife, and his daughter are described by the creators as being the only good characters. The other task force members seem decent as well, even if Matsuda runs into some NotSoDifferent issues.
* The ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' manga and {{OVA}}s, where the protagonists include a viciously {{sociopathic|Hero}} super-vampire and the master who has to sanction his actions. However, other sides include KnightTemplar {{Church Militant}}s, and [[StupidJetpackHitler Nazi baby-eating synthetic vampires]] led by a StrawNihilist OmnicidalManiac who wants to plunge the world into war and destruction ForTheEvulz. However, like ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', the series has several moments of ALighterShadeOfBlack.
** The TV show goes the opposite route, seeming like a milder case of the trope...but plays it straight in the end.
* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' to some extent. Every character is a criminal of some sort, ranging from petty thief/delinquent to Mafia assassin. The protagonists just happen to be nicer about it, usually with ''some'' sort of moral code. Even Isaac and Miria, who are the most innocent and purehearted ones of the lot, are robbers wanted by the FBI.
* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' will not pull any punches on making you second-guess who you're supposed to root for.
** The Shinigami are [[GoodIsNotNice not nice]] protagonists. The Spirit King is a reclusive mystery, isolated from society. His PraetorianGuard doesn't intervene unless events are apocalyptic. The [[TheGovernment Central 46]] is arrogant, paranoid and prone to extreme acts of law enforcement, such as punishing victims of illegal Hollowfication - and anyone who tries to help them. The Gotei 13 overlooks the crimes of their [[MadScientist R&D division]] because of its [[ForScience usefulness]] and includes [[SociopathicHero sociopaths and criminals]] among its leadership. The main character's mentor is a GuileHero who'll drop his own allies into [[SinkOrSwimMentor life threatening danger]] for the greater good. After Ichigo exposes the GovernmentConspiracy as Aizen's machinations, it's stated that Soul Society is now changing for the better.
** Arrancars are true evil and make Shinigami look saintly. Among their number are included a cannibal, an expert in psychological torture, a woman-beater, and a mass murderer. They liberally engage in torture, kidnapping, dismemberment, decapitation, friendly fire, BodyHorror and implied threats of rape. Their hierarchy can change [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority based on backstabbing]] and [[KlingonPromotion murder]]. Even the most sympathetic of the Arrancar condone and support all this just because they want friends.
** Quincies are driven to use their powers to protect humanity from [[TheHeartless Hollows]] whom the Shinigami are failing. However, their RevengeBeforeReason approach disrupts the chain of reincarnation and destroys the balance of souls between worlds, threatening the destruction of existence itself. Their arrogant refusal to accept the truth of their actions led to a war that lasted a thousand years with the Shinigami who themselves refuse to accept they need help. After a Shinigami pogrom almost [[GenocideDilemma wiped them out]], they toughened up their powers and attitude, shifting from a misguided ChurchMilitant [[UsefulNotes/TheTeutonicKnights organisation]] to become [[ANaziByAnyOtherName xenophobic]], [[PuttingOnTheReich hyper-militant]] [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany imperialists]]. As with the Shinigami, there are [[GoodIsNotNice protagonist]] Quincies.
* ''Manga/BlackButler'' occasionally falls into this, although Ciel and his demon butler seem nicer than usual examples.
* ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'': All of the villains are more villainous than the heroes are heroic. The majority of the villains hail from an AlwaysChaoticEvil race of demons, with its members being unable to feel positive emotions, hence their goal is usually in line with destroying the world (or taking it over, in the case of Xellos and his mistress). The only villain who diverts away from this is Duclis, who is more out for revenge and retribution of his neglected and plague-stricken kingdom, albeit through destruction (even then, this is only in the anime).
** As for the heroes, [[FieryRedhead Lina]] only goes out of her way to help others if it suits her own needs (and will wipe out entire villages if need be), [[IdiotHero Gourry]], while genuinely kind, is [[TheDitz flighty]] and otherwise apathetic, and Zelgadis is much like Lina, willing to murder, occasionally [[BreakTheHaughty gloating about his intelligence]], and shutting out sympathy that the others occasionally show him. [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething Amelia]] is probably the only "[[ForGreatJustice white]]" character, despite being good friends with the ones mentioned above.
** Even their rotating [[GuestStarPartyMember allies]] are not free from this; {{S|hrinkingViolet}}ylphiel is too shy to speak out for herself, [[PrincessInRags Martina]] is a classic RichBitch who can't defend herself, [[HolierThanThou Filia]] is a snobbish and bigoted priestess who stubbornly refuses to help others at times, and [[BrattyHalfPint Pokota]] [[LeeroyJenkins rushes headfirst into situations without thinking]] ''a lot.''
** While ''Slayers TRY'' (an anime season) initially sets GreyAndGrayMorality between the Golden Dragons (of the main ''Slayers'' world) and the ''Shinzoku'' of the [[Anime/LostUniverse Black Orb]] - they both want to save their own worlds by destroying the other - it ultimately devolves into this, as while the Black Orb ''Shinzoku'', while pragmatic, show sympathy to mortals, the Golden Dragons couldn't care less about them. [[spoiler:Also, late in the season, one of their own (Filia) finds out that the Golden Dragons themselves slaughtered the entire race of the BigBad, Valgaav.]]
** ''NEXT'' also has a certain amount of this, since the DiscOneFinalBoss actually only wants to kill Lina [[spoiler: to prevent his old boss from attempting to destroy the universe by forcing her to cast Giga Slave]]: Which [[spoiler: is exactly what Lina does]]. Even the first season qualifies to an extent, as while the BigBad ''is'' an evil sadist, he's operating under the mistaken impression that his plan's success [[spoiler: would consist of him summoning and destroying a monster bent on the world's destruction, rather than being instantly possessed by it]].
* ''Manga/DGrayMan'' is a bit of an odd case, as while the protagonist is [[AllLovingHero unquestionably a good guy]], the ChurchMilitant he works for displays a ''terrifying'' lack of reservations about doing anything necessary to stop the OmnicidalManiac they're up against. The more we learn about them, the worse the Black Order looks.
* Though the main characters of ''[[HyakujitsuNoBara Maiden Rose]]'' never do anything that crosses the MoralEventHorizon, being able to see their motives and redeeming qualities excuses them for quite a bit. We have yet to see more of the antagonists than that they're remorseless and wicked (and [[EvilIsCool cool]] and [[EvilIsSexy sexy]]).
* ''VideoGame/{{Gungrave}}'' is a nice example of this, everyone (especially the heroes) are murderers, gangsters and criminals. Despite this, there are still a handful of characters that are either innately likeable or worthy of great respect. [[MafiaPrincess Maria Asagi]] and her [[MoralityPet young daughter Mika]] are probably the only characters who qualify for "white" status.
* ''Equation of the Immortal'' has a [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja kunoichi]] fighting against a [[DrugsAreBad drug-using]] cult with a literal DealWithTheDevil. The fact that she's a ninja is ''not'' the bad thing (she only uses said lethal ninja skills on [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman demons,]]) its her actual [[OutWithABang power]] and willingness/need to use it on any random guy that comes her way that puts her in the gray area.
* The main conflict of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' is a battle between a SocialDarwinist regime and a narcissistic young revolutionary fighting for a more peaceful world, but is willing to resort to any necessary means.
* ''Manga/BlackLagoon''. This show is a see-saw battle between [[NobleDemon evil and selfish]] mercenaries and people like [[CreepyTwins Hansel and Gretel]] who LOVE to kill, and also between this and EvilVersusEvil. The Lagoon members have no regard for human life and the only "[[TheHero white]]" character is a UselessProtagonist, but the villains are {{Sadist}}s with high body counts.
* ''Anime/PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt'', as [[TakeThat a parody on several]] WesternAnimation tropes, fits this one to a tee. The BigBad is a [[CombatSadomasochist masochistic]] EvilOverlord who wishes to [[spoiler:unleash HellOnEarth]], and uses his CoDragons as [[EquippableAlly weapons]], who themselves are oppressive tyrants, and [[CrapsackWorld ghosts and demons alike walk around like it was nothing.]] The heroes? A pair of {{Jerkass}} [[LightIsNotGood angels]] kicked out of heaven for [[AnythingThatMoves their o]][[SweetTooth wn vices]] who are [[NominalHero anything]] ''[[NominalHero but]]'' [[NominalHero heroic]], a PedophilePriest who finds pleasure in masturbation, molestation, and [[spoiler: bondage]], as well as being [[spoiler:a former criminal]], a ChaoticStupid doll who only seems to be good at [[TheChewToy being killed]], and a guy, while genuinely nice, [[DoggedNiceGuy is only really there to get some poon]].
** Seeing how some [[MonsterOfTheWeek ghosts]] [[WhatMeasureIsAMook seem to live out their lives in peace]], the show often verges onto GrayAndGreyMorality territory.

[[folder:Comic Books]]
* ''Comicbook/NemesisTheWarlock'', as with most of the ''2000AD'' stable, verges on BlackAndBlackMorality. BigBad Torquemada, leader of the human race (in the ''Nemesis'' universe, something like a cross between the heretic-burning medieval Catholic church turned UpToEleven and the Nazis), is a psychotic genocidal religious fascist god-dictator pledged to exterminate all non-human life - but Nemesis himself, who's ''essentially Satan'', has done things like openly lust for genocide right back at humanity and, at his worst, [[WhatTheHellHero intentionally kill a school bus full of children]]. Afterwards, he doesn't even seem to understand why it was a bad thing to do. Meanwhile, Nemesis' uncle Baal has a hobby of vivisecting humans and performing Mengele-ish experiments on them and his son Thoth hates and wants to destroy everything, including his father. Nemesis' allies the ABCWarriors are also extremely morally shady, given they've conducted massacres and frequently display genocidal urges towards humanity as well.
* ''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'' is like this, but oddly, not ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' which was more Gray and Gray. The [[VillainProtagonist main character]] is, ya know, ''{{Satan}}'', who is caught between TheLegionsOfHell and the angels of heaven, who soon turn out not to be very nice either.
* Generally a SignatureStyle of Creator/FrankMiller. All his heroes are sociopaths to some degree (or if you're lucky, just fascists), but the villains they face are even worse. His ''ComicBook/AllStarBatmanAndRobinTheBoyWonder'' series took this to such an extreme that [[IndecisiveParody whether or not it is parody is seriously debated]].
* Creator/GarthEnnis' bad guys are usually the epitome of pure psychotic evil, but morally speaking his good guys often aren't anything to write home about either, as they generally tend to be a bunch of murderous sociopaths themselves. His intense dislike of and tendency to savagely parody or mock [[TheCape any generally 'noble' or 'heroic' superhero or otherwise heroic character]] (although he does make some exceptions) doesn't help matters much.
** Unless he's writing {{Superman}}.
** In fact, most modern comic writers fall into this category. Warren Ellis, Grant Morrison, and Alan Moore just to name a few, often have morally ambigious protagonists.
* ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'' are the world's only hope against some of the worst villains imaginable, the kind of bastards who love to create mass genocide just for kicks. The Authority members themselves are borderline sadistic towards evildoers, and sometimes "[[IncrediblyLamePun authoritarian]]" conquerors if they don't approve of a nation's government.
* In ''Comicbook/VForVendetta'', the only real options are to suffer under a horribly fascist government that is the only surviving piece of civilization, or rebel with a vicious killer for freedom before the collapse causes the apocalypse. The film made the rebel option better as there was never a nuclear holocaust (though a terrible pandemic substituted nicely and reduced the United States to a "leper colony"), so though V is still pretty crazy, he does have an ultimately admirable goal, and thus is "less gray".
** There's some hope in the comic too, but in a rather absolutist way -- V leaves the people of England a choice between taking responsibility and pulling together voluntarily, or starving.
** In the film, the populace's will hasn't been thoroughly crushed under the fascist regime. They are still able to rise up against their leadership with proper inspiration.
* ''ComicBook/SuicideSquad'' is the poster comic for this. It's about supervillains who have been captured and recruited into the U.S. government to go on most probably deadly missions for the good of America.
* The ''ComicBook/SecretSix'' are a group of [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] that have a tendency to fight other, more evil supervillains. Interestingly, their stories tend to more [[BlackComedy lighthearted]] than most superhero stories set in the DC Universe.
* ComicBook/ThePunisher. Especially Garth Ennis' version.
** There are three generally accepted explanations (any of which [[MultipleChoicePast may or may not be valid]]) as to why Frank Castle became The Punisher, none of them very flattering: 1) He was a good, honest family man, when one day his family was murdered by mobsters, which made him snap and become utterly obsessed with killing criminals; 2) He was obsessed with war and brutality from the beginning, used the Vietnam War as an outlet, then essentially sacrificed his family so he could wage his personal war forever; and 3) He let his family get killed because he was a terrible family man and didn't look out for their safety when they needed it, and he's punishing ''himself'' with his eternal war against crime, doomed to know only pain, terror, and misery for the rest of his life.
** Yeah, he's generally the kind of character whom, when trying to explain why he's on a list of superheroes rather than villains, you'd have to use the word "technically" a lot.
* ''ComicBook/FallenAngel'' in some ways. On the "black" side is the Hierarchy, the people and demons who run the city of Bete Noire, where the book takes place. The "gray" comes from Liandra, a cynical, consistently tipsy fallen angel who serves as a court of last resort, and is willing to do anything, including torture, in order to fulfill her missions. Among her sometime-allies are the city's major drug dealer, the snake from the Garden of Eden, and a man who may or may not be Hitler.
* DependingOnTheWriter, ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd''. Some of Dredd's actions can be very questionable. And his enemies have included a genius SerialKiller, an apocalyptic PresidentEvil, a warmongering Soviet military junta, a [[TheCaligula deranged head judge]] who wanted to execute the whole city, and an undead OmnicidalManiac.
* ''[[ComicBook/ThreeHundred 300]]'' has the UnreliableNarrator describing the Spartans as "the ultimate good guys"... who are just as [[AxeCrazy insane]] and [[BloodKnight bloodthirsty]] as their Persian enemies, who are only worse for being a gigantic horde bent on destroying and enslaving everyone on their path.
** The comic starts out mostly like this: The Spartans are ruthless and have moments of cruelty, but treat each other with respect and are steadfast in the defense of their beloved homeland. Their biggest sin is killing envoys (which actually happened). Xerxes is unquestionably a sinister ruler, and although the Persian side isn't really shown to be evil, they are absolutely merciless in their conquest. By the end, the Spartan side is shown in a considerably better light, while the Persians have been reduced to faceless cannon fodder. The movie is much closer to BlackAndWhiteMorality.
* ''ComicBook/{{Countdown}} Presents: Lord Havok and the Extremists'' was a clear example of this. The VillainProtagonist Lord Havok and his teammates are all portrayed as hellbent on taking over their planet, but they're each given sympathetic backgrounds and it's implied that life under their rule may be less dangerous in stark contrast to the way their world is when the story begins. In contrast, the so-called heroes of Angor (what America is referred to as) are all extremely unsympathetic and amoral, save for Blue Jay, who is the TokenGoodTeammate of the Meta Militia. Americommando is by far the worst, a boozing, womanizing drug addict who makes a deal with Monarch to get at the Extremists by allowing Monarch to destroy the home bases of the individual members of the Extremists, effectively murdering hundreds of innocent people.
* In ''ComicBook/{{Harbinger}}'', Flamingo and Torque are happy to mooch off of Peter's mind-control abilities in order to steal money and cars and stay in hotels for free. And Peter's pretty brutal to his enemies, either mind-wiping them or sentencing them to lives of torment and insanity if he's angry enough. The only really "white" member of the team is Zephyr.
* The conflict in ''[[ComicBook/TheMultiversity Mastermen #1]]'' ends up being this, concerning the New Reichsmen and the Freedom Fighters.
** With the exception of Overman, none of the New Reichsmen had anything to do with Hitler's original plans and thus aren't concerned with what happened during World War II. But it's blatantly clear that they will still uphold the way of life Hitler established, feel absolutely no shame or guilt about how their paradise was built on the deaths of billions, and hold "under people" in contempt. Overman, for his part, feels incredible guilt and shame for what happened, but feels that he has no way to make it right after going so far. [[spoiler: He actually betrays the New Reichsmen by lying about the Human Bomb's ability to generate explosions while held captive in the Eagle's Nest.]]
** The Freedom Fighters do commit terrorist acts and [[spoiler: have help from Doktor Sivana in terms of technology leading up to the total destruction of Metropolis as the beginning]], but because they want Overman and the system he helped put into power to answer for the unspeakable atrocities and genocide that made it possible. There's also the fact that each of the Freedom Fighters represents minorities that the Nazi Party is still persecuting and trying to destroy.
* UltimateMarvel ''runs'' on this trope.

[[folder:Fan Fic]]
* Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia fanfic Fanfic/FamilyTies starts out seemingly GreyAndGray morality- most of the combatants don't want to be there, with the only really major offence being the [[spoiler: sneak attack and consequent hijacking of Northern Ireland]]. It rapidly darkens however with [[spoiler: Russia and China torturing Scotland into unresponsiveness, New Zealand being tortured through solitary confinement, whilst the 'good guys' torture Ukraine and start nuclear warefare ]]
* SonicTheHedgehog fanfiction ''Fanfic/PrisonIslandBreak'' turns canon heroes into prison convicts, pitted against the Senior Corrections Officer Mephiles, and MadScientist Doctor Robotnik. The canon heroes have been turned into murderers, rapists, terrorists, and Mobsters. It even borders on ALighterShadeOfBlack. Even if you consider a character like Silver a Woobie of sorts, he's still a first-degree murderer.
** Mephiles is only maintained as the villain by being the only one so far to stomp over the MoralEventHorizon.
* ''FanFic/ThousandShinji'' sees Shinji doing nasty things in defence of or as revenge for Wrongs done to his friends, but compared to what Gendo or the SEELE men have done he is much preferable. Also, he does not damage innocent people and he has displayed some sympathetic traits, so he is an AntiHero or AntiVillain.
* In [[FanFic/EquestriaAHistoryRevealed Equestria: A History Revealed]], the supposed "good" Equinus Republic is a clear example of this, choosing to [[spoiler: send their vocal critics to Tartarus, ignore the increasing monster raids, and reject the pleas of the starving population]] to instead focus on their upcoming Equestrian Games.
** Of course, in-universe, it seems as though the narrator is the only one considers the Republic to be good, which then instead calls her own morality [[UnreliableNarrator into question.]]
** For some reason, the Republic [[spoiler: abolished penalties for homicidal evisceration]], taking only 10 minutes to reach that conclusion. Why they decided to do this, it's never revealed.
* ''FanFic/{{Exoria}}'' has the nation of Valent conducting a surprise invasion of both Hyrule and Gerudo. It is implied through the [[FictionalDocument Exoria Files]], however, that neither Hyrule nor Gerudo are exactly "white", though, and hints have been dropped insinauting that Valent may have a very good reason for launching a continent-wide invasion.
* The New Earth Government from ''FanFic/AeonNatumEngel'' and ''FanFic/AeonEntelechyEvangelion'' is much, much more ruthless than its ''TabletopGame/CthulhuTech'' counterpart, and the Migou have a very good reason for invading Earth.
* ''Fanfic/ChristianHumberReloaded'' has this, although which side is black and which is gray depends on whether you're willing to accept the author's perspective that [[SociopathicHero Vash]] is supposed to be a hero. One way of seeing it is that Vash is a highly ruthless yet effective AntiHero who fights against villains who are arguably more consistently malicious, despite killing many innocent people himself. [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation Alternatively]], Vash is the VillainProtagonist, and his [[DesignatedVillain enemies]] are less of a threat than he is, if only because the story [[OffstageVillainy doesn' touch on their evil deeds]].
** And in the parody of that story called ''Fanfic/MaxWolfRevolutions'' there is the final confrontation between Max Wolf, a violent and pyschopatic JerkAss who usually doesn´t care about anyone and the BigBad Diminox/Abominox, a GenericDoomsdayVillain who wants to destroy the entire Universe.
* FanFic/{{Embers}} has [[LawfulNeutral Zuko]], who admits he's 'no good at being good,' even in the original series [[spoiler:and is willing to hang Aang out to dry, and he isn't going to even try to prevent a genocide of his own people because even he admits that they deserve it]]. Then there's [[TheHero Aang]], who is well-intentioned but does a lot of stuff that should have killed him and his friends in the series: HanlonsRazor is true because ignorance can do just as much damage, or more, as malice. The closest thing to an unambiguously good guy may be Kuei, who still [[spoiler:ordered the Dai Li to set fires in civilian homes, traps in streets and so on as part of the Ba Sing Se resistance]] because this is war and he's the Earth King. In contrast to them, there's [[MindRape Azula]], who deserves her own content warning, but still has nothing on the BigBad and his allies, whose plans constitute a [[spoiler:ZombieApocalypse]] and horribly painful deaths in the works for anyone unlucky enough to survive the various genocidal wars they've stirred up over the millennia.
* The {{Fanfic/Uplifted}} series is the epitome of this trope in Mass Effect fanfics. Of the two protagonists one of them. Joachim Hoch, is a Waffen SS Officer who is not shy about his viewpoints, charming and kind on the one hand, and violent in the other. A classic AntiHero. His Quarian counterpart and eventual lover, Hanala Jarva, is manipulative, lying, and brutal. The Quarians ally with the Nazis, because they would make the best shock troops when the time comes to retake Rannoch. While it is true that the Quarians plot a coup against Hitler, their motives are again less than pure. The Allies? Not as bad as the Nazis, but they would turn on the Quarians the first chance they get. Somewhat justified given that the fic is set during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
* In some Fanfic/TheConversionBureau fics, both sides are far from paragons of virtue. Who occupies the grey side and who occupies the black side depends on the writer. This is most visible in ''The Palladium Wings'' where the Humans are mostly a bunch of vicious SkyPirates but [[TheCaligula Celestia]] is cruel, xenophobic, power-hungry, warmongering sociopath hellbent on genocide.
* This trope basically comes with the HungerGames territory, and ''Fanfic/SomeSemblanceOfMeaning'' is no exception. Naturally, the story is full of examples of ChildrenForcedToKill. The only difference is that some (like the majority of the Careers... though even some of them have character depth) [[BloodKnight take great pleasure in shedding their opponents' blood]], whereas others ([[TheHero Vale]], [[FieryRedhead Fen]], even [[spoiler: [[BrokenAce former Career]] Obsidian]] aren't so fond of the way that the Capitol is forcing them to kill their fellow human beings. (That doesn't mean that, if someone is trying to kill them, that they won't kill them first, though.)
* In ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' fanfic ''Fanfic/DirtySympathy'', Apollo and Klavier are good people but will go through any length [[StrangersOnATrainPlotMurder possible to free each other from their abusers]]. Klavier frames [[spoiler: his brother]] for murder he assisted in committing and would have killed Phoenix Wright if Shadi Enigmar [[spoiler: hadn't tried beating Olga Orly.]] Apollo tries to manipulate [[spoiler: Machi]] into killing [[spoiler: Daryan]], but manages to cover up [[spoiler: Machi's [[MurderByMistake murder of Romain [=LeTouse=] ]] ]] and pin the blame on Daryan. But [[spoiler: Daryan]] is a DirtyCop who has the police force in his backpocket and [[spoiler: Kristoph]] is an AmoralAttorney and a BadBoss with [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections many connections]] who both threaten them with death and can get away with their murders.
* FanFic/AlexandraQuick runs on this about half the time (usually whenever John Manuelito is involved). The rest of the time it's GreyAndGreyMorality.
* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' pretty much runs entirely on this. On one side you have a slaveholding, repressive, reactionary [[TheEmpire empire]] made up of TheLegionsOfHell - that nonetheless does many good things for its people. On another side you have not one, but ''two'' rebel groups who both suffer severe cases of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. Both sides are controlled by JerkassGods - one of them a [[ManipulativeBastard scheming]] [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]], the other one a xenophobic fundamentalist sociopath. And then there's the malevolent EldritchAbomination, the utterly AxCrazy two-tailed android fox, omnicidal AbusivePrecursors, the Metarex, and of course [[MadScientist Dr. Eggman]] to make things even worse. Even several of the lighter characters are quite grey - Eric and his friends eventually resort to piracy in order to replenish their supplies. Several of the saner Angel leaders aren't clean either; Jesus holds some [[UnfortunateImplications very]]... [[DeliberateValuesDissonance questionable]] views on homosexuals, though he's depicted sympathetically.
* [[FanFic/TheRiseOfDarthVulcan Darth Vulcan]] is a {{Jerkass}} criminal who has made lives of the Ponyville residents a living hell. But he does a have a code of honor, and his other opponents, like [[BadBoss Big Boss]], [[spoiler: [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Chrysalis]], and [[EvilOverlord Sombra]] ]] make him into a saint. Averted with his conflict with the Mane 6. They do make mistakes in dealing with him, but they are trying to protect themselves and are in fact trying to save Vulcan from the power he is abusing.
* Callidus Dominus and the Malphan Empire in "Game of Doctors". They can be ruthless but try to be benevolent dictators, on the other side is the ruthless Virmok Empire which is attempting to take control of the Eighth Galaxy through invasion. The Doctors end up helping the Malphans. This is pointed out in [[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9868669/8/Game-of-Doctors Game of Doctors Chapter 8]]

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* The protagonists in ''Animation/AachiAndSsipak'' are black market drug runners who don't care about the carnage around them and simply want to exploit a hooker for money. At least Ssipak is in love with her. Aachi just tends to be annoyed with having to save her life all the time. The villains are worse in that they are willing to kill and force the hooker into labor.

* ''Anything'' made by Creator/QuentinTarantino.
** Because most of the characters are merely amoral in ''Film/PulpFiction'', the only time this seems to kick in is when Butch (a boxer running for his life) and Marsellus (the gangster who wants him killed) end up in a pawnshop... and the owner locks them in his basement, calls his partner to rape one, and it's heavily implied both would be beaten and\or killed if Butch didn't manage to break free. Although Marsellus himself could also be seen as a shade of black ([[IncrediblyLamePun not literally]]), since he ''is'' an unrelenting crime boss whose only redeeming quality is sparing someone who saved his ass.
** ''Film/DjangoUnchained'' has an ice-cold former slave with the singular goal of rescuing his wife and getting revenge pitted against a highly sadistic slaver and his loyal colleagues. Dr. Schultz is the closest thing to ALighterShadeOfGray, but he is also a ruthless bounty hunter willing to do whatever it takes to get the bounty.
** ''Film/ReservoirDogs'' is another example, with the exception of [[spoiler: Orange]] everyone of import is a criminal, but Mr. White and Mr. Pink draw distinctions between themselves (who try to avoid killing people if at all possible, but will if they must) and Mr. Blonde (who goes on a senseless killing spree during the heist)
** ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' (though it may seem downplayed, dealing with [[AcceptableTargets Nazis]] [[ThoseWackyNazis and whatnot]]). Nevertheless, the title characters do have their moments of excessive violence, perpetrating what would amount to war crimes against their enemies. The fact that the German soldiers themselves have a few {{Punch Clock Villain}}s in the mix doesn't help matters either.
* ''Film/KillingZoe'' takes place in a world best described as [[Creator/QuentinTarantino Tarantino]] meets BretEastonEllis. From the co-writer of ''Film/PulpFiction'' and director of ''Film/TheRulesOfAttraction''.
* ''Film/{{Goodfellas}}'': Henry Hill is a proud gangster who never kills anyone and is sympathetic through most of the film, but his associates and enemies are nasty customers.
* ''Film/CityOfGod''.
* ''Film/TheProposition'' -- The protagonist is a notorious criminal who is forced to kill his psychopathic older brother in order to save his innocent, mentally handicapped younger brother. The younger brother is a rapist. The cops are thugs stuffed into uniforms. And the governor's a SmugSnake KnightTemplar. However, the captain and his foolish, but innocent wife are probably the closest things to "white" in the movie. And the ending is [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet]], which is as cheery as you're going to get with a screenplay by Nick Cave.
* ''Franchise/TheChroniclesOfRiddick'': Riddick is a mass murderer with a [[KnifeNut knife fetish]], but his opponents are nihilistic necrophiliacs that want to convert and then [[OmnicidalManiac murder the entire universe]], child-killing junkie cowards with a badge, sadistic mercenaries who massacre entire panets to [[HumanResources harvest the people as cyborgs]] and slaves, and bounty hunters who [[AndIMustScream turn people into living statues]] for their own artistic amusement. Riddick doesn't want to save the universe, he just wants to kill the guys that killed the people he had claim on.
* The ''heisei'' era of ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'' films occasionally border on this. Godzilla is, once more, a bad dude, but he's all that defends us from creatures like [[Film/GodzillaVsKingGhidorah King Ghidorah]], [[Film/GodzillaVsSpacgodzilla Space Godzilla]], and [[Film/GodzillaVsDestoroyah Destoroyah]], who are downright diabolical. Meanwhile, the minds in control of [[Film/GodzillaVsMechagodzillaII Mechagodzilla]] are extremely iffy, and [[Film/GodzillaAndMothraTheBattleForEarth Battra]], [[Film/GodzillaVsBiollante Biollante]], and Rodan are very very insane.
* ''Film/WhatEverHappenedToBabyJane'' looks like a straight case of black-and-white, with [[WhiteDwarfStarlet bitter, angry former child star]] Jane Hudson intimidating her more popular, crippled sister and feeding her rats for dinner... until the end, where it is revealed that [[spoiler:the accident which crippled Blanche was caused by Blanche herself as she was trying to kill ''Jane'', and not by Jane in a drunken bender.]] Notably, [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience Jane, the "villain", is blonde, and Blanche, whose name means "white", has black hair.]]
* The ''Film/BladeTrilogy'' and ''Film/{{Underworld}}'' franchises do this to get around the fact that vampires are {{Card Carrying Villain}}s in Western fiction.
** In the Blade movies, the protagonist has little empathy for anyone's feelings, perfectly willing to use his own unsuspecting civilians as bait and kill {{punch clock villain}}s begging for their lives. He does not kill without reasons though and is defending humanity from those that would use it as a source of cattle.
** In the Underworld movies, vampires and werewolves are at war and the werewolves lean slightly closer to what most humans would call "decent" when AFatherToHisMen united them. Then that guy dies and the conflict degenerated into two rival {{take over the world}} conspiracies. The vampires had mentally unstable {{bad boss}}es, who were also partly why the werewolves looked slightly better. Once those were done away with, all things were equal, [[GreyAndGrayMorality morally speaking.]]
* ''Film/{{Payback}}'' is all about an AntiVillain getting revenge on even worse people for setting him up. The cinematography emphasizes dark colors, cloudy skies, etc.
* The Film/JamesBond movies ''Film/CasinoRoyale'' and ''Film/QuantumOfSolace'' explore this, with Mathis even giving a short speech about heroes and villains being indistinguishable in far too many cases, and many bits of the latter shed light on the extents to which governments and agencies have to go to in order to ensure their continued survival. Still, [[BigBad Le Chiffre]], [[DiabolicalMastermind Greene]] and [[NebulousEvilOrganisation Quantum]] are all evil, no doubt about it.
* [[AntiHero John Constantine]], of the [[Film/{{Constantine}} eponymous film]] (and the [[ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}} comic]] that inspired it), is a foul-mouthed, [[DrivenToSuicide suicidal]] [[BadDreams sonuvabitch]]. And he's one of the good guys. [[spoiler:Not that [[FallenAngel Gabriel]] was [[HolierThanThou much better]].]]
%%* ''Film/{{District 9}}''. You know it's bad when the "hero" of the film is a barely competent, racist, and selfish ObstructiveBureaucrat. The one white spot in the film is the alien Christopher, if [[http://www.mnuspreadslies.com/ his blog]] is anything to go by. You have to hand it to a guy who's been horribly oppressed by us for twenty years, yet ''still'' has some [[http://www.mnuspreadslies.com/post.php?id=383 faith]] [[http://www.mnuspreadslies.com/post.php?id=390 in]] [[http://www.mnuspreadslies.com/post.php?id=401 humanity]]
%%** No, ''District 9'' is an example of HeelFaceTurn (aka, redemption of the sinner), not of grey morality. It was quite clear that the character was unsympathetic at the beginning; he changed.
%%** But everyone Wikus is up against once he's forced to take refuge with the Prawns ([[MegaCorp MNU]] - from which he left - and the Nigerian drug-dealers) is worse.
* A number of comedies in the late '70s/early '80s (e.g., ''Film/AnimalHouse,'' ''Film/{{Caddyshack}},'' ''Film/{{Stripes}}'') centered on a group of rakish loser protagonists aligned against cleaner-cut but authoritarian antagonists. The tagline for ''Caddyshack,'' for example, was "[[SlobsVersusSnobs The Snobs Against the Slobs]]." While the viewer will almost certainly find himself rooting for the losers, these are not people you would trust around your kids.
* The ''Film/InfernalAffairs'' films, spectacularly. [[spoiler:Wong appears to be mostly White in the first film, but then you get hit by the prequel...]]
* ''Film/TheMechanic'' is a good example with its rather {{Jerkass}} assassins as protagonists, and the ones who they kill.
* ''Film/InTheLoop'' is ostensibly about the backroom sausage-making behind a war in [[strike:Iraq]] an unnamed Middle Eastern country, though the real focus is on [[ClusterFBomb epic]] [[CountryMatters language]]. Proponents of the war are depicted as clueless, cavalier bureaucrats with zero appreciation of the consequences of what they are doing. Meanwhile the opponents are shameless weasels, mostly interested in milking it for political favors.
* Most Creator/GuyRitchie crime films, especially as even the main characters/protagonists tend to also be crooks, usually matched up against other, worse ones. Not counting the mandatory {{Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain}}s, lets look at some characters from several of Ritchie's works:
** ''Film/LockStockAndTwoSmokingBarrels''. The main characters are a group of street hustlers, con men, and gamblers. There are two groups of least sympathetic characters: the underworld bosses that cheat them in a card game, and whose entire purpose for this is to get the father of the character that they cheated to sell his pub so they can buy it cheap, and a group of brutal crooks who steal from, torment, and shoot the pot head marijuana growers who trust them.
** ''Film/RockNRolla''. The most sympathetic characters are Archy, Johnny Quid and the Wild Bunch. Archy is TheDragon for an underworld boss who kills or beats people without hesitation. Johnny is a drug addled rock star who routinely steals from people, (and threatens them with a knife if they protest) hands out {{No Holds Barred Beatdown}}s to bouncers who try to stop from getting into clubs, (and keeps going long after they have stopped being able to resist) and constantly physically and verbally abuses the people around him. The Wild Bunch are a trio of career criminals. The least sympathetic character is Lenny, (Archy's boss and Johnny's step-father) an arrogant man, abusive father, PoliticallyIncorrectVillain, a crime boss who lowers victims into water to drown/be eaten alive by voracious crayfish, rips off the people who make deals with him so that he can get them in his debt, and has secretly [[spoiler:given testimony that has put most of his men and partners into jail at one time or another in order to save himself from prosecution]].
** ''Film/{{Snatch}}''. The most sympathetic characters are Turkish, Tommy, and the [[UsefulNotes/IrishTravellers Irish Traveller]] clan. Turkish and Tommy are shady characters in the London underworld who run unlicensed boxing matches, gambling houses, etc. Turkish in particular is a rather cutting DeadpanSnarker. The Travellers participate in the sale of fake gold and jewels, rip off their business partners in transactions, then intimidate them with force, and at one point consider killing Tommy over a misunderstanding. The least sympathetic character is [[LondonGangster Brick Top]], who [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness routinely kills off his mooks]], brutalizes dogs and puts them into lethal dogfights, kills people and feeds them to pigs to dispose of the bodies, sets fire to the caravan of one of the gypsies (burning her alive), and threatens to wipe out the rest of the clan if they don't cooperate with him. Mickey, though, seems to be portrayed as a [[ALighterShadeOfGrey lighter shade of grey]].
* ''Film/TheEliteSquad'' has BOPE, a special forces team which employs cruelty in both [[TrainingFromHell training]] and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique the police work]], against drug dealers that [[KillItWithFire burn people alive]]. The villains of the sequel also count: murderous corrupt cops, aiding and aided by corrupt politicians.
* ''Film/TheElementOfCrime''. A more than questionable AntiHero pursuing a [[SerialKiller child killer]], (un)assisted by [[BadCopIncompetentCop the worst police force ever]] in the [[CrapsackWorld crumbling ruins of dirt poor]] [[WretchedHive and morally corrupt]] [[AfterTheEnd post World War II Germany]]? If this isn't it, then?
* The {{Villain Protagonist}}s in ''Film/TheFinal'' are a group of [[TeensAreMonsters teen]] [[LonersAreFreaks outcasts]] who [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] and [[BeautyToBeast mutilate]] their school's [[AlphaBitch popular]] [[JerkJock kids]] as revenge for a lifetime of humiliation. As one can figure from the last sentence, neither side in the situation is all that nice. The only real "good" guy is Kurtis -- and that's pushing it, seeing as how he [[spoiler:kills Andy in cold blood]].
* ''Film/TheProfessional''. It's a hitman who relucts about giving shelter to a girl (who is not ''that'' pure either) versus a drugged and corrupt policeman willing to kill anyone.
* ''Franchise/StarWars Episode III: Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' alludes to Black and Gray by hinting that the Jedi Order were on the brink of falling to the Dark Side as they tried to take over the Coruscant court for themselves even though their intention was to eradicate the Sith Lord from ruling the galaxy.
** The entire prequel trilogy was this, showing that despite what you were taught by the old trilogy the Galactic Republic and the Jedi Order predating the Galactic Empire were not without their flaws. The senators of the Republic were influenced by lobbyists who worked for greedy [[MegaCorp mega corporations]] that due to their bribes could drive over the rules for their own profits' sake, and the petty political powerplays within the Republic made it incapable to solve crises like the invasion of Naboo. The Jedi Order had a lot of members who thought themselves self-importent, and some members weren't afraid to bend the rules or cheat to get what they wanted. And by the time of the Clone War, there was some distrust between the Republic and the Jedi Order so that both tried to use Anakin to spy on each other. On the other side, there were these said mega corporations that became unhappy with Supreme Chancellor Palpatine's acts to clean the Senate free from their lobbyist influence, and in response made their own political organization and tried to break off the Republic, leading to the Clone War. Turned out that both sides were being played by the Sith.
** When the bad guys are using MechaMooks and the ''good guys'' have an army of [[ChildSoldiers fourteen year old "generals" and ten year old cloned slave mooks]], both [[{{Tykebomb}} molded into warriors since infancy]], and discouraged from "attachments" to the people they're protecting, you know you're dealing with a mess.
* ''Film/{{Narc}}'' follows the story of two detectives who are trying to solve the case of a cop who they believe is murdered in cold blood. Although some of the people they question and interrogate are bad people, the film often shows the corruption and willingness to break the rules of the two main characters.
* ''Film/TheWildBunch'' stars a gang of seasoned bandits, who routinely kill a not inconsiderable number of people in the course of a heist, and have no compunctions about using little old ladies as human shields. They look alright compared to the folks they go up against, though.
* The hero of ''Film/TheChaser'' is a dirty detective-turned-pimp who's less than friendly towards his women. He comes out better compared to the film's villain, a sadistic and misogynistic serial killer.
* ''Film/{{Escape 2000}}'': the heroes are a pack of gang members and hoodlums, whose efforts to keep the Bronx safe for drug dealing and petty crime only come out looking heroic because the bad guys are [[KillItWithFire killing people with flamethrowers]] more or less indiscriminately.
* FilmNoir generally lives off of this type of morality. After all, it's not called "noir" for no reason.
* In ''Film/LordOfWar'', arms dealer Yuri Orlov himself is amoral and indifferent to the death he causes with his trade, but he is nowhere near as bad as his client Andre Baptiste, who is an insane dictator who murders people on a whim, allows his cannibalistic son free reign and engages in bloody civil wars. The staunchly [[HeroAntagonist heroic]] interpol agent Jack Valentine is pretty unambiguously good, so the movie doesn't necessarily imply that there is no white morality. It just suggests that the good guys [[CrapsackWorld aren't]] [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism very]] [[GoodIsImpotent effective]]. [[GoodIsNotNice Or affable,]] [[AffablyEvil comparatively.]]
* By the end of ''Film/ThePrestige'', both lead characters have innocent blood on their hands, whether due to obsession with revenge, or due to single-minded pursuit of their Greatest Magic Trick Ever.
* At the end of ''Film/SchindlersList'', Oskar Schindler reminds the people he saved (and us, the audience) that now that the war is over, he'll be a wanted criminal for profiteering from slave labor. Early in the movie, we see that he's not a particularly good man. But he's willing to bankrupt himself and risk his life to protect his laborers from murderers.
* ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'' has hints of this, as a result of its {{deconstruction}} of the typical morality in Westerns. The eponymous three characters are: an [[UnscrupulousHero antihero con artist]], a merciless ProfessionalKiller who is practically the personification of cold blooded ruthlessness, and an all-around cad, respectively. Its "good guy" is still fairly sympathetic though, but mostly because of his occasional PetTheDog moments and the fact that he only messes with unsavory characters.
* ''Film/TheGodfather'' series is also a milder case, with the highly sympathetic Corleone family pitted against their rivals.
* ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' (moreso in the sequels). [[TheHero Will]] and Elizabeth are slowly turned into lying, stealing, killing pirates, although all in the name of saving their skins from the undead and the corrupt. Jack Sparrow is a bullseye grey AntiHero who cares enough about freedom to free slaves (BackStory) and save his friends, but cares more about himself than anything. It tries to avert the trope by having the gray villains and harmless lackeys around. But then there's Beckett, the epitome of repressive order and the only person in the whole trilogy (except his Dragon, Mr. Mercer) you can properly hate, who [[KickTheDog kicks various dogs]] and doesn't stop for two movies.
* In ''Film/DraculaUntold'', Vlad makes a [[DealWithTheDevil deal with the Elder Vampire, who himself made a deal with a demon,]] for demonic power to save his people and and his gruesome past is told as having razed villages and impaled thousands in the past feeling nothing. He admits his monsterous past and is ashamed of it, but all of his evil deeds including becoming a vampire are to prevent something worse from happening. He does seem less gray than typical cases, though. Now Mehmed, on the other hand, plans to conquer all of Europe, force religious conversion, and demands a thousand boys including Dracula's son so they can be turned into soldiers.
* The British in ''{{Film/Utu}}'' are the villains who started the war by massacring defenceless villagers, but the Maori rebels commit many atrocities of their own against the white {{Determined Homesteader}}s.
* ''WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven'': Charlie B. Barkin is an AntiHero who starts out manipulative and gradually learns to mend his ways and ascend to Heaven, while Carface is unambiguously evil.
* ''{{WesternAnimation/Wizards}}'': Blackwolf is unambiguously evil, while his twin brother, Avatar, despite being the hero, is flawed.
* ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'': The BigBad is a genocidal slaver who bathes in the blood of his opponents and [[spoiler: slaughtered an entire prison population just to cover his tracks]]. The "heroes" range from petty criminals to assassins, who are more interested in [[ItsAllAboutMe personal gain]] rather than saving the world. Yeah they become genuine heroes in the end, but their criminal tendencies still shine through.
--> '''Rocket''': Question: what if I see something that I wanna take and it belonged to someone else?
--> '''Rhomann''': You would be arrested.
--> '''Rocket''': But what if I want it more than the person who has it?
--> '''Rhomann''': It's still illegal.
--> '''Rocket''': That doesn't follow. No, I want it more, sir, you understand me? [Gamora walks off with him] I can't have a discussion with this gentleman?
--> '''Drax''': Say someone does something that irks me, and I decide to remove his spine.
--> '''Rhomann''': Th-that's actually murder, one of... the worst crimes of all. So, also illegal.

* Creator/JRRTolkien's ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' could be an UrExample of this. On one side are Elves and Men, the assumed good guys, who are flawed, cocky, haughty, corrupt, petty, jealous and well capable of killing their own kin, sabotaging their own cause; on the other side is [[BigBad Morgoth]], who is a pure evil. (And [[EldritchAbomination Ungoliant]], though she doesn't really care for any side and just wants to eat everything)
* The fourth book of the ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNick'' has [[PhysicalGod Ash]] state this outright. As an ''eleven thousand'' year old immortal he has seen quite a lot of good and bad, and basically tells [[ApocalypseMaiden Nick]] that everyone is capable of good and evil. The best you can hope for is to leave the earth a better place than you came into it.
* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' pitted six children against the Yeerk Empire, a expansionist and militaristic alien confederacy that occupies and enslaves Earth in secret. The main characters, all kids under the age of sixteen, are hopelessly outgunned and outnumbered, and are pushed to using ever-more desperate and morally reprehensible tactics against an enemy that grows stronger no matter what they do. By the end of the series, the kids are just as ruthless as the people they fight. Can also cover the Andalite military, who are just as bad as the Yeerks, just in a different way.
* R. Scott Bakker's [[Literature/SecondApocalypse Prince of Nothing]] trilogy exemplifies this trope. The most important character in the series, Anasurimbor Kellhus (there are several protagonists, but Kellhus is really the central character of the trilogy), is a ruthless, brilliant manipulator, part of an order of ascetics who have spent nearly two thousand years in isolation breeding and training for intellect, rationality, and the ability to "read" other people by their actions, mannerisms, and faces, thus "possessing" them and turning them to their will. Over the course of the trilogy, [[spoiler: he comes to be seen as a Prophet, and eventually dominates the entire Three Seas area that composes the main setting for the books (he also comes to believe that he really ''is'' a Prophet).]] That sounds pretty horrible, until you remember that the primary antagonists, the Consult, [[spoiler: are a cabal of human and non-human sorcerers and generals (including the Inchoroi, an alien race that fell into Earwa thousands of years before the books' story and who are defined by cruelty and an utter obsession with slaking their lust) seeking to resurrect a being that causes ''all'' children of races with souls - namely, humans - to be stillborn, so that they can drive the number of ensoulled beings in the world down below a certain number in order to prevent the certainty of their facing damnation and hell-fire upon their deaths.]] So Yeah.
* The civil war in ''Literature/DreadEmpiresFall''; The "good side" is a massive, tyrannical empire that bombs worlds if they don't join them, and torture is an encouraged form of punishment.
* The [[Literature/TheExecutioner Executioner]] novels, which inspired ComicBook/ThePunisher, has Mack Bolan, the eponymous "hero" of these books.
* Many writings of Creator/RobertSheckley.
* No trope describes ''Literature/AClockworkOrange'' better than this one.
* ''Literature/{{Trainspotting}}'' -- Almost all of the main characters are amoral drug addicts. The ones that aren't are either dead, going to be drug addicts in the near future, or [[HairTriggerTemper berserker psychopaths]]. Or dead. Or are going to suffer because of the main characters.
** And it's even more complicated than that. The book talks about how people who are going to be drug addicted are better before taking any drug: for instance, everyone says that the drug dealer was a nice man before taking heroin. It's more something like "white and gray morality".
* Joe Abercrombie's ''Literature/TheFirstLaw'' series is based on this principle, pushed to the point where you wonder at the end whether the protagonists were really the least evil, or if, perhaps, they weren't actually even worse than their antagonist.
* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'''s Vetinari sees the world in these terms, although the books themselves have genuinely good people.
** It's worth noting that after giving the page quote, Vetinari talks for about a page and a half about just how ''much'' [[HumansAreFlawed people suck]], at which point Vimes asks him how he manages to get up in the morning, which he answers with his usual calm, kind-of-cheerful manner.
*** Also worth noting is that Vetinari, who is not known for casually misspeaking, says "there's a good man" about Vimes as Vimes exits after this speech.
** Also Vetinari rules his own city, which is the most efficient city on the Discworld and has people flocking to live there. Whether he's right or not, it ''works''.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. Being a deconstruction of typical HighFantasy, there are no snow white heroes, only bad people fighting flawed people. Even those with the best intentions, such as Robb Stark, Davos Seaworth, Brienne of Tarth, and Samwell Tarly, struggle to figure out the right thing to do, and arguably the lightest-gray character, [[spoiler: Ned Stark]], succumbs to [[TooDumbToLive Death by]] HonorBeforeReason very early on. Would be GreyAndGrayMorality, except the existence of some truly evil people like Gregor Clegane and Ramsay Bolton, and worse, the Others, creatures from beyond the Wall that are impervious to most weapons, breed zombies and are in the process of returning after centuries... and WordOfGod has said in interviews that even the Others have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality motivations more complicated than]] ForTheEvulz.
* ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Heaven_Fell When Heaven Fell]]'', by William Barton. The protagonist -- a mercenary working for the [[StarfishAliens conquering extraterrestrial overlords]] -- is [[AntiHero not a nice guy]] by any means; nor are most of the people around him. However, they're ''sweethearts'' compared to what the alien overlords are fighting against...
* Played with and subverted in Creator/GlenCook's ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfTheBlackCompany''. The soldiers work for an obvious BigBad, and the rebels on the side of good turn out to be nasty little bastards. But every time it looks like the story's going down a familiar route, it ends up going somewhere ''even more interesting''. In the end, the first book (''The Black Company'') ends up looking like a neutrally-portrayed reality while standard fantasy epics look like the propaganda put out after light's victory, and it gets more interesting from there.
** The front-cover blurb for the first book reads, "Darkness wars with Darkness ... until the new Light breaks."
* Creator/TomHolt's ''Paint Your Dragon'' does this to the story of Saint George and the Dragon. ''Both'' are absolute ''[[JerkAss assholes]]'', but the dragon seems a little more sympathetic...although considering he at one point annihilates a (occupied) theatre in an attempt to deal with George, this is more a statement on how unlikeable St. George is than anything else. [[spoiler: The dragon's status as the Least Evil? character is cemented at the end, when the two end up switching forms and George's first action as a dragon is to kill the entire audience for their deathmatch in order to ensure that nobody with a rocket launcher is lurking in the stands).]]
* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' often works in this area. On more than one occasion there was no "good" solution so Harry often has to make do with what he can. An example in ''White Night'' occurs when Harry offers criminal AntiVillain Marcone even more power to both get his aid and offer Chicago more protection against the supernatural.
** It's also [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] in ''Turn Coat'', when Harry dubs the clandestine group designed to combat the equally clandestine Black Council the "Gray Council." Oddly enough, they're probably ''less'' morally ambiguous than the stagnant, zealous, overly traditionalist leadership of the White Council.
* The original ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is very black-and-gray. The vast majority of the protagonists, including Paul, are not nice people and in many cases not good people either. And then there's [[AGodAmI Leto II]] in the sequels...
** The [[Literature/{{Dune}} first book]] doesn't possess this to too high a degree, but Paul and Jessica do patently manipulate the Fremen and their religion and lead the Fremen into ever increasing acts of violence. The Corrinos are also a lot more gray compared to the pitch black Harkonnens.
** Paul is definitely a lot more this trope in ''Literature/DuneMessiah'', his jihad has killed billions and oppressed trillions, he himself compares himself unfavorably to [[GodwinsLaw Hitler]] but he does hate doing it and is only doing because he sees no alternative for the future of humanity. Then he learns in ''Literature/ChildrenOfDune'' that he wasn't cruel enough!
** [[Literature/GodEmperorOfDune Leto II's rule]] makes Paul's look like a paradise vacation, and while he is bothered by it, it's not nearly as much as his father was, because the Fremen as a people embody this trope and are trained from childhood to chose between two evils. What's the alternative to Leto's dark gray 'golden' path though? The complete extinction of humanity.
** Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson's much-maligned ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' prequels actually do a fairly decent job portraying the free humans in terms of Grey morality. The Machines and their cyborg servants on the other hand are {{Card Carrying Villain}}s. Although some are treated with some sympathy (especially in the last two books where the authors get better at making some of them like Erasmus actual three-dimensional characters), they're a bunch of bloodthirsty enslaving bastards who perform Mengele-style medical experiments on humans, get thrills from torturing them, force them to slave away like the Jews in ''Film/TheTenCommandments'' apparently [[ForTheEvulz just because it strokes off their egos]] (little else makes sense, given that they can build sapient robots and contented humans would be less likely to rebel), and respond to any defiance with horrific atrocities. It's especially grating because superhuman machine intellects that run on cold logic should logically be {{Magnificent Bastard}}s or at least dispassionate {{Chessmaster}} types, not a bunch of gratuitously sadistic ObviouslyEvil loons (in fairness, it's justified by one of the human Titans having programmed Omnius with his own personality).
* In ''Literature/{{Dragaera}}'', Vladimir Taltos is a low-level mafia boss, with all the unpleasantness that implies. However, he tries to be benevolent to his underlings and the inhabitants of the area he runs, and his antagonists are usually those causing or planning something that will cause widespread suffering. After leaving the Jhereg, while he tries to help the downtrodden, he does so through [[AntiHero rather brutal methods]].
** This also applies to Vlad's friends Aliera and Morrolan. Both are ruthless and quite selfish, but are nicer to humans/arguably less of a danger to Dragaera than their fellow nobles. Thus, in ''Dragon'', Vlad sarcastically notes the irony of calling Morrolan's army in which he is a member the "good guys", since all they are doing is trying to take some artifacts of doom/empathetic weapons so that a somewhat worse noble can't have them. Similarly, the plot of the novel, ''Iorich'' involves Vlad trying to defend Aliera after she is arrested on a charge of using illegal magic (the same type her father used and accidentally destroyed the old capitol and killed everyone there). This isn't because Aliera is innocent. Rather, it's because so many nobles break this law, that there must be a conspiracy at play for Aliera to be arrested for something she does in essentially plain sight.
* ''ConanTheBarbarian'', especially Robert E. Howard's original stories. The hero is a mercenary/pirate/bandit/professional thief albeit one with a code of honor. Most everyone else is worse.
* Creator/JKRowling was very fond indeed of doing this with her characters in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series. WordOfGod says that there were concerted efforts made to remind the readers that Harry is a flawed person (see his ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order of the Phoenix]]'' "{{wangst}}ing"), and is certainly no saint (his ready use of [[spoiler: the Cruciatus curse on Amycus]], and before then, Bellatrix). James (and specifically Sirius) are shown to have very good hearts overall, but could definitely be {{Jerkass}}es at times (Sirius and his treatment of Snape/Kreacher, his recklessness). Ron (who never went through what Harry did but accomplished more than most Hogwarts students could ever admit to) [[spoiler: left Harry and Hermione in the woods.]] Dumbledore, of whom so many people "thought the sun shone from every orifice", made plans in his youth with another to take [[spoiler: siege of the general Muggle population, during which time he neglected his remaining family.]] Paradoxically, Regulus [[spoiler: turns out to have been not as Black as first painted - same for Snape.]] Draco is a tricky one, who at first [[spoiler: doesn't turn Harry in, but later tries to capture him, accompanied by his old henchmen who, by now, are not just brainless brawns and are unafraid to kill.]] Hermione enchanted the D.A. list to give scarring acne to any member who betrayed them, even if the person had limited options. She also tricked [[LoveToHate Umbridge]] into going into the Forbidden Forest in the middle of the night and getting [[TakeThatScrappy attacked by centaurs]].
** And that's ignoring the Ministry of Magic -- firmly on the gray side -- which is generally darker than Harry and his friends, but still firmly better than the black of Voldemort.
* ''Cataclysmic Horizons'' contains the Sodality of Gerosha, a band of superheroes many of whom are only possible because their parents were subjected to [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke crimes against nature]]. They consist of a horny and insecure girl with centipede powers, an [[BloodKnight impulsive and aggressive]] woman with a stolen PoweredArmor, a sleazy womanizer who can jump incredible heights, an angry and vindictive plant-man who is himself a victim of crimes against nature, a sociopathic RealityWarper, a Robin Hood archetype, and more. Together, they fight against [[ThoseWackyNazis Those Wacky Hebbleskins]], who are essentially ANaziByAnyOtherName. Who have their own army of evil freaks, who are [[NotSoDifferent also]] only possible because their parents were victims of crimes against nature.
* Creator/MarthaWells's ''Death of the Necromancer'' has [[AntiVillain Nicholas]] [[AristocratsAreEvil Valiarde,]] a coldblooded thief, murderer and all around MagnificentBastard. Nic has spent years sabotaging his enemy on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge; at the start of the narrative, Nic's nearing the completion of his [[EvilPlan ultimate scheme]] when he and his subordinates run afoul of an unknown person using BlackMagic. Somehow, this leads to the group spending the rest of the book fighting an insane mass murderer. And the reason they do it is at least partly because it's ''bad for business.''
* In Frederick Forsyth's ''Literature/TheDayOfTheJackal'', the OAS are far right terrorists. The eponymous VillainProtagonist is a consummate ProfessionalKiller. However, the French Action Service are SecretPolice-like, using ElectricTorture on an OAS captive.
* The various races in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' could be this. Tolkien makes it pretty clear that any of the "good" races, even elves, are capable of evil. Goblin and orcs? AlwaysChaoticEvil.
* In Creator/AndrewVachss's Burke books, Burke and his TrueCompanions are mostly ex-cons who skirt or break the law frequently. They cross paths with pedophiles and other worse scum from time to time.
* Near the end of ''Literature/GoodOmens'', the forces of Heaven and Hell line up across the sky, and the narrator mentions that if you looked ''very'' closely, and had been specifically trained, you could tell the difference.
* Common in the works of Creato/ChinaMieville. Literature/{{Kraken}}, for instance, has a Lovecraftian doomsday cult as one of the ''nicer'' factions.
* By the final book, ''Literature/TheHungerGames'' devolves into this. On one hand you have the Capitol oppressing the majority of their citizens in day-to-day life, forcing children to kill each other on television each year. On the other hand, the [[spoiler: District 13]] rebels are shown to be inclined to using drastic measures to attain "freedom", and by the end of the novel their leader is shown to be completely corrupt.
* Tadeusz Borowski's Holocaust stories feature the occasional good character, but they don't tend to live long in the atmosphere of the camps. The characters who do survive (at least for a while) are those who're willing to steal from others, to betray each other to the guards, to help in the execution of the Jewish inmates, and to eat the corpses of their fellow prisoners so as to avoid starvation.
* ''Literature/BestServedCold''. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Way to go, Monza.]] [[spoiler:[[NiceJobFixingItVillain You too, Orzo.]]]]
* ''Literature/TheActsOfCaine'' qualifies for this trope, if only due to what the protagonist [[SociopathicHero must]] [[TheUnfettered become]] to stop the antagonists, and how badly the "pure" heroes like Deliann and Pallas Ril manage to [[NiceJobBreakingItHero fuck things up]].
* The Tribulation Force versus the Global Community in the ''Literature/LeftBehind'' books.
** In one of the books, a minor side character calls the Trib Forcers on this. Another minor character turns out to be a con man, and the Tribbers reverse the con to screw him over. And just as the main characters (and, likely, the reader) are thinking "Yeah; he finally got what was coming to him" the first minor character says something like "He's been pretending to be saved, but he's not, so he's going to Hell, forever; that wasn't enough for you so you felt the need to cheat him out of a few thousand dollars too? You're supposed to be ''better'' than he is. I don't think I can work with you guys any more."
* ''Literature/{{Gone}}'' started out having GrayAndGreyMorality, but, by ''Plague'', has solidly veered into this. The heroes are still quite far from white, and the bad guys, after a year of enduring even worse hardships than the protagonists, are now growing increasingly [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] and [[KickTheMoralityPet kicking morality pets right and left.]]
* Literature/SisterhoodSeries by Creator/FernMichaels: As the series goes on, the morality of the stories turns into this. The good guys are called the Vigilantes because they break the law in capturing a bad guy and inflicting a cruel and unusual punishment on hir. The good guys don't kill anybody, but since their punishments tend to be of the FateWorseThanDeath variety, that fact may not be very comforting. Also, the good guys have acted like big-time {{Jerkass}}es a number of times. That's okay, because the bad guys have virtually no redeeming qualities to speak of!
* ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'': Help the [[JerkassGods Gods]] who are often jerkasses and sometimes cause problems, or serve a [[BigBad Titan]] who devoured his own kids and uses humanity as a source of cheap amusement or as a snack.
* ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents,'' especially from book eight onwards.
* In the Indian novel ''Literature/TheWhiteTiger'', some people (like Balram and Mr. Ashok) have their PetTheDog moments, but it's pretty clear everybody else kind of sucks.
* ''Literature/TheAdversaryCycle'': In ''The Keep'', it's Rasalom vs. Nazis. Guess who's worse. Also, the Otherness vs. the Ally in general. The Ally isn't evil for the sake of being evil, but it certainly does horrible things. However, Earth needs the Ally to win because the Otherness would be much, much worse.
* In ''Literature/ZooCity'' Zizi December is a cynical ex drug addict who blames herself for her brothers death. Everyone else is as bad or worse, sometimes much worse.
* In Creator/TomKratman's ''Literature/{{Caliphate}}'', the Imperial States of America isn't exactly a shining "white hat", but as presented in the novel it's a better option than the Caliphates (particularly the one on which the novel is focused), who are very much of the "black hat" persuasion. The other nations that get any attention aren't much better than the ISA.
* In ''The Leeshore'' by Creator/RobertReed, the Alteretics are a faction of humanity that worship an [[DeusEstMachina artificial god]]. They get "conscripts" by capturing enemy soldiers, hooking up to "[[EmotionControl glass wires]]" which are used to make them fanatically devoted to the priests and the artificial god. Their first act was to start bombing every manufacturing center they could find in the Solar System, and population centers as well. When they fled the Solar System towards the tiny outpost on Leeshore, the first thing they did upon landing was to kill everyone they could find, to try and prevent the inhabitants from cutting loose their SpaceElevator. The Asian Alliance that is chasing the Alteretics down use the same "wires" to control the emotions of their own soldiers by reinforcing certain emotions and thought patterns, at the cost of making them [[BloodKnight extremely bloodthirsty]]. The two protagonists are captured by the alliance are forced into assisting them in hunting the Alteretics.
* The designated heroes of ''Literature/ChroniclesOfMagravandias'' are not particularly heroic, something which they and the antagonists deconstruct over the course of the trilogy. In the end, it's not that the protagonists are good so much as the villains of the story are worse.
* In Creator/WilliamGibson's ''Literature/{{Neuromancer}}'', the main characters consist of a [[TheCracker drug-addicted computer hacker]] that steals to make a living, and a [[StreetSamurai female assassin with razor-blades in her fingernails]] that kills without much remorse. But this is compared to the antagonists, among them a sociopath that enjoys watching women being tortured as part of a weirdly sadistic betrayal fetish.
* The impetus of ''Literature/TheMortalInstruments'' series is Valentine Morgenstern's belief that all Downworlders should be exterminated, despite Shadowhunter laws that protect him. Pretty evil right? Then you learn that despite these supposed protections, prejudice against Downworlders is pretty heavily ingrained into Shadowhunter culture. The issue is lampshaded several times throughout the series, but it comes to a head at the end of ''City of Heavenly Fire'' when [[spoiler: the Clave begins passing legislature [[FantasticRacism inhibiting the freedom of faeries]], despite Magnus' warnings that it will only cause future problems. If that wasn't enough, they also begin discriminating against Shadowhunters with faerie blood, abandoning one who was kidnapped by faeries and risked his life to leak vital intelligence]]. The author herself says that was intended to make the readers realize that the Clave isn't just flawed and in need of a few tweaks, but crippled by its own prejudice.
* Pretty much the entire planet of [[WretchedHive Riesel]] in ''Literature/RieselTalesTwoHunters''. This is including the [[AntiHero two main characters]], who are [[BountyHunter bounty hunters]] and often do morally questionable things [[OnlyInItForTheMoney for money]].
* The heroes of ''Literature/TheLeonardRegime'' have to resort to less-than-desirable means to fix everything. This most often includes killing anyone who gets in their way.
* ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' is one of the most iconic [[VillainProtagonist Villain Protagonists]], but the people he's going up against are even worse.
* In the ''Literature/{{Parker}}'' novels, Parker can and will kill with dispassion, but generally prefers a minimum of violence in his heists and won't kill somebody unless they're trying to kill him directly or indirectly. He also won't take more than his share from a heist unless he's been double-crossed or otherwise screwed over.
* ''Literature/TheUnderlandChronicles'', verging on GreyAndGrayMorality before [[spoiler: [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything the systematic extermination of the nibblers.]] Even afterward individual rats on the Bane's side are portrayed in a sympathetic light.]]
* The ''Literature/DanielFaust'' series: Daniel's crew includes criminals, sorcerers, and a demon or two, but the monsters they go up against are even worse.
* In ''Literature/HumaneTyranny'' certain members of the rebellion believe this to be a necessary evil and that in order to stop the government from killing innocent people, they must perform evil deeds that will damn their very souls. The main characters, though, wish to avoid this trope entirely and to do things the right way.
* [[Literature/ShatteredContinent Chapter One of Shattered Continent:Caroline's Awakening]] features a team of mercenaries having a frank discussion about using fire or poison gas against an enemy structure that may or may not contain innocent captives. They're the protagonists. The opposing force is a bunch of half-undead, demon worshipping cultists [[spoiler: and there are no hostages because the cultists ate them all already.]]
* ''Literature/{{Wasp}}'': The main character is a military secret agent working to disrupt the enemy government. Some of his actions are morally gray, such as when he booby-traps two civilian merchant ships, implicitly causing their crews' deaths. On the other hand, the enemy is a militaristic and quite oppressive empire, and their StateSec agents we meet in the book are pretty much all ruthless and brutal.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** The Kaleds and Thals, as portrayed in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' serial ''Genesis of the Daleks''. They're even verging on black and black, given the Kaleds are ANaziByAnyOtherName and progenitors of the Daleks, and the barely less evil Thals are planning to wipe out the entire Kaled race with a "distronic" missile (strongly implied to be something like a nuclear weapon).
** The time war seems to have been a case of this. The Daleks are as black as they've always been, but the Time Lords clearly did some horrible things as well, just about the only redeeming feature of the Doctor's species is that it contains good people. In fact, we eventually learn that the Doctor's actions to end the Time War (by removing both sides from the universe) weren't to stop the Daleks, but ''to stop the Time Lords''.
** Due to the show's heavy use of ObviouslyEvil - with very few villains having so much as good intentions or good points - most of the moral questioning in the show ends up concentrating on the Doctor's side. Sometimes, in order to stop ScaryDogmaticAliens or OmnicidalManiac {{Mad Scientist}}s or even the odd EldritchAbomination from destroying the planet, he has to do things that are morally reprehensible, and the moral tension comes from asking whether the Doctor's actions are justified. Whether or not they are [[DependingOnTheWriter Depends On The Writer]] - sometimes they definitely aren't (murdering hundreds of thousands of children in front of their mother in order to prevent the Earth being destroyed in "The Runaway Bride"), sometimes they definitely are (arranging for a murderer to be [[HoistByHisOwnPetard strangled to death by his own robot]] in "The Robots of Death"), sometimes it's a mixture (the genocide against the Silence in "Day of the Moon"), sometimes the show completely skips over the moral dimension (BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood in "The Savages") and sometimes the Doctor is set up to do an action of this kind but changes his mind because it's too horrible (refusing to commit genocide against the Daleks in "Genesis of the Daleks", and the Doctor's solution to the Time Lord genocide in "Day of the Doctor"). This is also a weird example in that the tone of the show is generally very idealistic and romantic, not a CrapsackWorld.
* ''Series/{{Merlin}}''. The antagonists of the show tend to be [[DesignatedVillain DesignatedVillains]] in that their goals are not very evil at all, i.e. killing [[VillainProtagonist Uther]]. Uther executes anyone related to magic at all, even if they just let a magic user sleep in their house for the night, having committed a "Great Purge" of magic users before the series even started. He even [[MoralEventHorizon killed children born of magical parents in fear that they inherited magical blood]]. However, the main villains, [[spoiler: Morgana and Morgause]] do tend to be a bit extreme in their methods, but they are nothing compared to Uther. In fact, sometimes they can be downright heroic, like when they [[spoiler: put the castle to sleep to assassinate Uther without sacrificing any innocent lives]].
* ''Series/MadMen''. Due to the nature of the times, the men more so than the women. Most men tend to be lying cheating assholes, and the women either act this way too or they are ''screwed''.
* The work of JossWhedon
** Both ''[[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]]'' and ''Series/{{Angel}}'' are somewhere between this trope and BlackAndWhiteMorality in the sense that while the protagonists usually do the right thing when it's clear what the right thing is and their enemies clearly don't care about doing what's right, the protagonists also have some WhatTheHellHero moments and are sometimes thrown into morally gray situations where even they don't agree with each other as to what's the right thing to do.
** In particular, ''Series/{{Angel}}'' wallows in Black and Grey Morality for its final two seasons. In the fourth season, the characters initially oppose what they perceive to be a monster intent on bringing about TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt; later, it turns out to be a goddess (Jasmine) who would have ended all war, hunger and disease. Admittedly, she did eat people, and paradise would have come [[KnightTemplar at the price of free will]], but the heroes are somewhat in doubt they did the right thing after the evil law firm Wolfram and Hart ends up thanking them. In the fifth season they are actually running Wolfram and Hart; this comes with a lot of questioning whether or not they are doing more harm than good.
*** Also in ''Series/{{Angel}}'', Wesley, who has done some questionable things, is taunted by Lilah during his search for redemption.
--> '''Wesley:''' There is a line, Lilah. Black and white. Good and evil.\\
'''Lilah:''' Funny thing about black and white: you mix it together and you get grey. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in, you're never gonna get anything but grey.
** In the ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' episodes "This Year's Girl" and "Who Are You?" -- as well as the ''Series/{{Angel}}'' episodes "Five by Five" and "Sanctuary" -- Faith, after having spent the last half of the last season on the side of evil, makes a genuine effort to [[HeelFaceTurn redeem herself]] for her crimes. She does this after making {{plan}}s trying to kill Angel, punching out Cordelia, and torturing Wesley, all while struggling with the will to live. The Watcher's Concil, though, actively try to kill Faith, Buffy, and the cast of Angel, while leaving each other to die at times, and one of them takes joy in killing people.
** ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' and ''Film/{{Serenity}}'', the protagonists are thieves but usually non-violent except in self-defense; the main antagonist is a corrupt government that tortured an innocent little girl.
** ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}''. The show is all about a business that brainwashes people to act like other people and service the needs and wants of the business' clients (sometimes sex, sometimes other things). Most (but not all) of the brainwashed people "volunteered" for it, so YMMV on wheather or not this is wrong. The business sometimes uses the technology and brainwashed people for clearly good things (rescuing kidnapped people, trying to help an abused child grow up into a healthy adult etc.) and sometimes for clearly bad things (theft, ruining an innocent man's reputation etc.) In any case, they are never as bad as their enemies, which include The Ghost (a child molester) and [[CreateYourOwnVillain Alpha]] (a sadist who [[KnifeNut carves up people's faces with a large knife]] ForTheEvulz).
* As ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' becomes more and more of a CrapsackWorld, it's only right that they should start to wallow in this too. Dean and John's [[DealWithTheDevil deals with the devil]] are seen more as selfish suicides than {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s, they later kill demons without any thought to the human host, John was a suicidally broken man who fucked up everything, Dean's annoying martyrdom, low self esteem and messed up death wish frustrates Sam and Bobby and Sam's willing to destroy everyone and everything that might hurt Dean. After all this, you start to get the impression that becoming evil might look like a much better deal.
** Technically it's not that the setting is Black and Grey, it ranges from black to white, the main characters just aren't at either extreme. Castiel is something of a dark-horse favorite with the fandom partly because, for all his occasional mistakes, he is firmly on the side of doing what is right at all times, and is genuinely horrified when he realizes he's made a "bad" choice. So there is a White, it's just not always under the narrative focus and it's still fallible.
* ''Series/{{Farscape}}'', hits this harder and harder as the series goes along. The protagonists are fugitives who--in the course of running from ''two'' evil governments that want them dead--rack up higher and higher body counts and destruction, blowing up bases, robbing banks, and vaporizing at least one planet. When at the end the villains finally start a galaxy-wide war, John Crichton decides to fix it by [[spoiler: using a weapon that would ''destroy the galaxy'' if they don't surrender.]] ''He's not bluffing''.
* ''Series/CSIMiami'' has been guilty of this for years. The head of the lab, Horatio Caine, informed an unresisting pedophile that he was "resisting arrest," meaning he was about to get a serious beating. Horatio and his brother-in-law went to Brazil to kill the man responsible for his wife's murder. The instances of police brutality are too numerous to count, all excused by the idea that the victims are all bad guys and the 'good guys' needed information from them.
* ''Series/TheThickOfIt'' and its film ''InTheLoop'' both have this view on the morality of humanity and the political workplace. Here, ''no'' character is without his or her flaws, and are all varying degrees of moronic, cowardly, backstabbing, manipulative, or just generally unpleasant bastards in general, all more concerned with keeping their jobs than with doing the right thing.
* ''Series/OrphanBlack'': Sarah and Felix are morally dubious characters at best - Sarah gets involved with the clones so that she can steal Beth's money. The clones are willing to get their hands dirty to survive. On the other hand, they're up against one conspiracy that performed illegal human cloning experiments and another of religious zealots who want to kill them.
* ''Series/{{Profit}}'': However, the [[VillainProtagonist protagonist]], Jim Profit, might be the character with the blackest take on morality.
* The old British Sci-fi show ''Series/BlakesSeven'' is a classic example of this. The "Good Guys" start out on their way to prison, with only the main character being actually unjustly convicted (Or was he?), and proceed to fight against the even worse Federation by stealing things and blowing stuff up. They also tend to leave a swath of dead bodies in their wake.
* The British miniseries ''Series/{{Ultraviolet}}''. On one side is a cabal of vampires who plot to enslave humanity in order to save us from ourselves (thus eradicating their food supply). On the other is a shadowy government organization that answers to no one and follows a very end-justifies-the-means kind of program.
* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' has most of the many characters with some sort of fatal flaw, but none of them fit this trope more than Bob Bishop. He is introduced at the start of season 2 as a reasonable man, directing a previously villainous company, and trying to steer the way forward to a brighter future for everyone. Although there are subtle hints as to his true motives, he appears to listen to Mohinders advice over the [[DepopulationBomb shanti virus]]. However in episode 9 it's revealed that Mohinder and viewers alike [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter were a little wrong]]. It's made clear he [[ProfessorGuineaPig experimented on his daughter]] leaving her as a [[PsychoElectro psychopath]]. From then on, none of the characters [[ManipulativeBastard trust him]].
** In the graphic novels we also find out he's a torturer and murderer. He was also directly involved in the plot to blow up New York city and apparently worked alongside Linderman during this time. He also was the one who had Candice save Sylar from Kirby Plaza
* ''Series/SonsOfAnarchy''. The title biker gang is mostly composed of {{Sociopathic Hero}}es (except for Tig (PsychoForHire), Jax (AntiHero or AntiVillain depending on ones viewpoint) and Opie (TheWoobie). The cops are all hopelessly corrupt or psycho except for Hale, the KnightInSourArmor and Stahl, the KnightTemplar. And then there are the ''really'' nasty gangs.
* ''Series/TheShield'', big time. Apart from, at the most, one character (Claudette Wyms), everyone in the show is either outright villainous or at least very shady. This includes the apparent "good guys". In fact, the most corrupt and immoral of the supposed "good guys" (as in the police) are the four man Strike Team, whom the protagonist leads and the show revolves around.
** Dutch Wagenbach, one of the very few non-corrupt cops, would hardly be considered completely good as well. The only morally dubious thing he did was [[spoiler:strangle that cat]] and [[spoiler:plant evidence, but he even took that back]].
*** Dutch comes closer than most, but it is shown that he has an unhealthy fascination with serial killers... and maybe understands them a little too well, hinting that if he weren't catching them he might be one himself.
* ''Series/{{Dexter}}''. The eponymous character is a serial killer. But, he only kills other killers, most of whom are even worse than him. (Likewise in the novels, as well as the serial killer in Bradley Denton's book "Blackburn", which is similar to Dexter (but earlier: 1993).
* ''Series/BattlestarGalacticaReimagined'' skirts this, particularly during the middle of the series, but for the most part is GrayAndGreyMorality instead. (Though when characters get too sympathetic to the Cylons, someone will usually point out that the Cylon's opening move in the war was to kill fifty billion people with a surprise attack.)
* ''Series/{{Caprica}}'' is this. It plays with GrayAndGreyMorality but so far the various players are a fundamentalist monotheistic terrorist group, a racist and corrupt gilded society, a ruthless crime syndicate "family," and a corporate CEO who's willing to enslave another race (albiet one he believes has no free will to begin with) in order to save his personal fortunes.
* Anything involving Marlo Stanfield in ''Series/TheWire'', which eventually results into two mostly good cops faking murders in order to bring him down.
* ''Series/{{Oz}}'' has a few baddies among its prisoners, but even the most 'innocent' characters- Beecher, Cyril, Rebadow and Hill- are killers.
** Tom Fontana did not want any of the prisoners to be innocent of the crime they were put into prison for.
** The show has a few truly moral characters, like Father Mukada and Sister Peter Marie, and some prisoners like Hamid Khan (put in jail for preventing a rape) and Father Meehan (in jail for hitting a cop in self defense during a protest), but they are very few and far between in a show with LoadsandLoadsofCharacters.
* ''Series/{{Intelligence}}''. The nicest character on the whole show runs a multi-million-dollar drug smuggling racket.
* ''Series/PuppetsWhoKill'': Everyone is a {{Jerkass}} to some degree and deserves the horrible things that will inevitably happen to them.
* In ''Series/TrailerParkBoys'', the [[VillainProtagonist heroes]] are criminals, but the law is INSANE and the citizens are apathetic.
* Series/{{Chuck}}: The NSA and CIA and their agents are shown to be clearly on the right side, fighting to protect the country and its citizens (and often the world in general) from extremely evil terrorists and corrupt spies. However they are ready and willing to do some pretty nasty things, such as killing a completely innocent guy who happens to have all the government secrets in his head, or summarily executing an unarmed, defenseless, surrendering (albeit very dangerous and evil) enemy agent, for national security.
* ''Series/BreakingBad'' was GreyAndGrayMorality at first, but became this at the end of Season 2:
** From the end of Season 2 to the end of Season 4, there was Walt vs. Gus: They were both vile individuals and Walt [[spoiler:poisoned a kid]] to win the war, but Gus' ruthlessness in taking down the cartel made him slightly worse. One could still make the argument that by the end it had shifted to EvilVersusEvil.
** In Season 5A, there was Walter versus the Cartel. Within Walt's new meth empire, there was also Mike and Jesse, principled anti-villains, fighting for control of the business with unrepentant sociopaths Walter and [[spoiler:Todd]].
** Walt vs. [[spoiler:Hank]] in the first half of Season 5B became this in the premiere episode, as [[spoiler:Hank]] turned out to be as proud and vicious as Walt in his attempts to bring "Heisenberg" down.
** The last 3 episodes pitted Walt against [[spoiler:Jack's white supremacist gang]].
* ''Series/{{Community}}''. There's the study group who are often judgmental, self-righteous jerks, and then there's Chang, an insane psychotic attempted murderer, and Pierce, a racist, sexist, sociopathic bully whose prime goal in life is to make everyone's life a living hell.
* ''Series/{{Copper}}''. The protagonists are prostitutes, cheaters, and murderers. Corky and Francis often go above the law and use unnecessarily violent means to get information. Elizabeth Haverford [[spoiler:sends a child home to her abusive "father"]] without a second thought, and Chief Sullivan is corrupt, focusing on his own goals rather than fighting crime.
* ''Series/BeingHuman'': Mitchell and Herrick were basically this every time they were fighting, but the final series kicks it up a notch. The only properly white character remaining is Alex. Hal is an Old One and when he reverts he makes Herrick look like an ineffectual wimp, and Tom has basically been turned into a weapon for destroying vampires by his adoptive father. When they start going at it, the only things making them seem like the 'good guys' is their friendship with Alex and the fact that their enemy is Satan himself, trapped in human form.
* ''Series/EqualJustice'': Both sides in contentious cases make fair points in favor of their position, no matter who the jury (or the audience) ends up siding with.
* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': [[{{Reconstruction}} Reconstructed]]. The show's primary focus is to deconstruct the utopian nature of the Federation by having Starfleet characters [[GrayingMorality become increasingly morally ambiguous]] and presenting no side as being completely in the right. In "Waltz", the deranged Cardassian war criminal Gul Dukat tries to convince Benjamin Sisko that his actions during the occupation of Bajor were justified under the circumstances. He fails to convince Sisko, until Dukat eventually goes on a racist tirade where [[ThenLetMeBeEvil he acknowledges his own evil]] and his conviction that he should have just [[FinalSolution wiped out every Bajoran man, woman and child]] when he had the chance. Sisko ends the episode reflecting that in a morally gray cosmos, there are still truly evil characters.
* ''Series/TwentyFour'' deals with this most of the time. Nobody in this show escapes without doing something morally questionable. All the heroes want to do is stop terrorists and prevent devastating attacks on innocent civilians, but they fight it by torturing people (sometimes even innocent people), kidnapping, spying on people, screwing due process, and allowing collateral damage to happen, among other things. Basically, the only difference between the heroes and villains is that one side deliberately wants to do the terrible things they do, while the other side does it because they feel it's for the greater good. And that's when the show is being optimistic.
* In the first-season finale for ''Series/TheLastShip'', the crew of the ''Nathan James'' arrive in Baltimore, where they learn that what's left of the government has been under siege by a right-wing militia call the Warlords. However, as they start settling in, they discover that [[spoiler:the government is planning to limit access to the cure so that only the "right" kind of people get it, while others get a counterfeit that aggravates the disease so that they succumb more quickly.]]

* NorseMythology is fittingly this. The head god Odin demands human sacrifice, practices questionable magic, instigates wars, and is known to turn on his favorites in mid battle ensuring their deaths. However, all this is necessary to make sure he gets great warriors so his army is strong enough to keep the forces of evil from winning at Ragnarok so that a golden age can emerge afterwords. Oh, and he and his entire army don't get to see that golden age. All of his other gray features tend to be to either delay or prepare for that day. On the othe hand Odin is known for not wanting to harm a woman on any race.
** Thor has sworn to protect all of mankind, but is actually an KnightTemplar since he is willing to go at any length to protect us.
** Loki helped the Gods solve many problems (which he sometimes caused) and where glad to save children from trolls. He is also destined to start Ragnarök.
* Many world mythologies were at one time or another this. The gods may be [[JerkAssGods jerks]] who screw around with mankind from time to time, but they were almost always far better than the alternative of monsters and demons.
* ClassicalMythology rules this tropes. In contrast to the above, the gods aren't even contrasted with anything particularly terrible, they're [[JerkassGods just generally dicks]] who happen to be in charge (Zeus, fittingly, epitomised this, being a violent rapist and MagnificentBastard but also powerful enough to defeat all the other gods combined). Well, some were alright - but you never hear about them, because the Greeks generally considered any story that doesn't involve both sides of the conflict being colossal jerks to be one not worth telling.
* Any version of ''RobinHood''. Yes, he an his Merry Men were thieves and robbers, but the people of Nottingham were being overtaxed and Robin Hood was simply giving back the money to the poor so that they could live. In the [[Disney/RobinHood Disney version]], Little John even questions the morality of what they do.

[[folder:Professional Wrestling]]
* Historically rare in the annals of sports-entertainment (except for some ValuesDissonance, such as "all-American" wrestlers [[InTheBack attacking communist Russian wrestlers from behind]] and [[DracoInLeatherPants getting cheered for it]]) until the "Attitude Era," which occurred roughly between 1995 and 2000. The trend was arguably kicked off by ShawnMichaels, who despite being a weaselly, self-centered, preening {{Jerkass}}, was so funny and charming as the leader of the D-Generation X faction that fans cheered for him anyway; it certainly helped that his greatest nemesis, the Canadian BretHart, was playing an ForeignWrestlingHeel at this time. But the TropeCodifier for the ages was undoubtedly StoneColdSteveAustin, the very epitome of the [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority rebel-as-people's-hero]]. Though Austin never truly reformed his bullying, obnoxious ways from when he was a heel, his courage and charisma won the respect of Wrestling/{{WWE}} fans far and wide.
* Today, aftershocks of the Attitude Era can still be felt, albeit more in {{TNA}} than in WWE. Perhaps the best examples are "The Viper" RandyOrton, an outright SociopathicHero, and "Asshole" Mr. Anderson, a modern-day Stone Cold.
* {{Face}} does not mean "good guy" and {{heel}} does not mean "villain", even though you will occasionally see the terms being used interchangeably, even on this very wiki. A face/baby face is pretty much anyone who is regularly cheered for and heel simply means to [[FaceHeelTurn tu]][[HeelFaceTurn rn]] on the fans. It often looks like the faces are all good and heels are all bad but just as often the fan favoritism will ignore morality and pandering.

[[folder:Tabletop Games]]
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is nothing but this. Intentionally. Every time it looks like another race, usually the Tau or Eldar, is starting to look more sympathetic than the fascist (among other things) Imperium, they'll start pulling off new atrocities in the next edition. In 40K, about the ''best'' you can hope for is a WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar who won't kill you too painfully.
** On a general scale, you can't find any faction that is good by our standards, but some sub-factions and characters, like several SpaceMarine chapters, a few Imperial Guard regiments, the occasional Craftworld Eldar protagonist, {{Ravenor}} and Literature/CiaphasCain '''(HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!)''' or the Tau count as good. Unfortunately, they are far outnumbered by less moral groups, {{Bad Boss}}es, [[WellIntentionedExtremist people who go]] [[KnightTemplar too far]] for their cause, and the Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tyranids and the forces of Chaos.
*** Again, its not as much as normal "Good" as much as "being nicer and more rational than those around" or (at least slightly) caring about (their own) civilians and collateral. Tau is your typical fascist militaristic expansionist state. Cain did admit that he actually shot a number of his own troops[[note]]For incompetence of all things[[/note]], absolutely abhors Xeno races and "traitors" [[note]]Humans that decided that Greater Good suits them better than rule of the Imperium. Often they weren't exactly [[JoinOrDie given a choice]] [[/note]] and sees nothing wrong to use criminals for target practice in military orphanage.
** It is saying something about the setting when you consider the "good" factions of the game: [[CantArgueWithElves arrogant space elves]] who [[FantasticRacism view humans as little better than filthy, stupid animals]]; the [[TheEmpire Imperium of Man]] which is an AntiHero ''[[HumansAreTheRealMonsters at best]]'', but would easily fall into villainy in most settings, where their policy against all aliens is [[AbsoluteXenophobe shoot first, talk later]], and they destroy entire planets of people if it is suspected to have a substantial corruption of Chaos, not to mention that their oppression is nothing short of fascism; and the communist [[ScaryDogmaticAliens Tau Empire]], whose leaders are powerful psychics that control their followers through mind control and their MO is "join us and serve the Greater Good, or we'll kill your entire race". That said, at least Tau bother with allies, the Eldar leave you alone unless you come up in one of their schemes, and the Imperium is fairly tolerable of you as long as you're human and believe in the God Emperor. Which is more than we can say for Chaos, Orks, Necrons, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar.
** It's also probably worth mentioning that the ''comedic relief'' in the series is the Orks, a race of AxCrazy [[BloodKnight Blood Knights]], who are hellbent on attacking and destroying as many worlds as they can, just because they [[ItAmusedMe love a good fight]].
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Fantasy'' is almost as bad as TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}. The main "good" races are arrogant elves, isolationist elves, power-hungry humans, grim feudalistic humans, {{Mayincatec}} lizards who practice human sacrifice, and [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame dwarves that are all the same, only with fatalism and grudges against everyone under the sun]]. You get the occasional hero; you also get regular sociopaths. Fantasy does, however, have good people like [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Emperor Karl Franz]], [[TheWisePrince Prince Tyrion]], [[TheAtoner Alith Anar]], and [[AnIcePerson Tsarina Katerin]], so it's not nearly as dark as 40k.
* Most of the gamelines in [[TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness both]] [[TabletopGame/NewWorldOFDarkness incarnations]] of the World of Darkness present a system where the playable factions are some shade of Grey and are opposed by a faction who is Black. The majority of [[TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem vampires]] vs [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Belial's Brood]], the Pentacle Orders vs the [[AncientConspiracy Seers of the Throne]], the [[TabletopGame/ChangelingTheLost regular Changelings]] vs [[TheQuisling Loyalists]] to the [[TheFairFolk True Fae]], and [[ArtificialHuman Prometheans]] vs [[BodyHorror Pandorans and (most) Centimani]]. The exception would be the werewolves, with the main factions being the Tribes of the Moon vs the [[WellIntentionedExtremist Pure]], who are both Gray. The Black faction in that gameline (the Bale Hounds, worshipers of [[MadGod the Maeljin Incarna]]) mostly sit on the sidelines. They are also one of the only things the other two can agree on [[EnemyMine fighting against]].
** In ''GeniusTheTransgression'', the Peerage deliberately chose to be Grey because if you have a Genius go off on his own he'll often become [[TheUnfettered Illuminated]], and if the choice is between accepting jerks or have them wander off and turn into Mengele, you'd better get used to putting up with jerks. The Storyteller is advised to keep the players wondering whether the AncientConspiracy Lemuria is really that bad compared to the barely human nutbars in high-up positions in the Peerage. (The "black" role here is played not so much by modern Lemuria, which is just going through the motions, but by [[EmptyShell Clockstoppers]], the Illuminated, and the occasional Hollow Earth Nazi or Phantom Slaver Yeti.)
* In ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu,'' the heroes are insane and the villains are even more insane.
* Morality is a very minor point in TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}. Generally characters don't question whether it is right to take a job, they question [[KleptomaniacHero how much they get paid]]. Though some groups [[EvenEvilHasStandards draw the line at assassination]].
* Though there ''are'' heroes in ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'', they are few and far between. In the core Eberron setting book, there's only 1 high-level Good NPC, and she is a young girl who only has such power while in the same city as the Silver Flame (a metaphysical source of elemental good) itself. And that person is responsible for trying to make sure her church full of Knight Templars doesn't cause too much death and destruction. Of course, WordOfGod from the setting's creator indicates that at least part of the reason for lack of powerful good [=NPCs=] is to keep the focus on the ''[=PCs=]'' as the heroes.
** All of this said, while all of the major mortal factions (major nations, dragonmarked houses, and even the Blood of Vol, a creepy religion secretly controlled by one of the setting's Big Bads) are more-or-less amoral, few of them are of the CardCarryingVillain variety- most of them simply have their own agendas that they're interested in pursuing regardless of who gets in their ways. Unfortunately, there are several extremely power supernatural forces that ''are'' unambiguously evil (Lords of Dust, Dreaming Dark, and Daelkyr being the three biggest) and would pretty much destroy the world and/or reshape it in their image if they had their way. ''Really'' unfortunately, all of these are creepily good at disguising their true nature and working through pawns who may actually believe they're the good guys, and the main forces capable of opposing them on their own level are morally ambiguous in their own right (the dragons, the Undying Court) and the one that ''is'' purely good (the Silver Flame) is inherently reactive rather than proactive, and influential parts of its religion have gone the CorruptChurch route.
* ''TabletopGame/CthulhuTech'': A crossover between Creator/HPLovecraft and ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' was bound to be pretty hard on everybody -- an ongoing theme of the setting is how the horrible, soul-rending evils wage a tireless war to keep the ''really'' bad stuff at bay. To quote the Corebook's intro fiction: "Some people say war is hell. Well, I've seen Hell. This is worse."
** The main factions are a police state, a number of secret societies (the Eldritch Society, the Children of Chaos, the Esoteric Order of Dagon), and the Rapine Storm (who are significantly more evil than they sound).
* The ''Necessary Evil'' setting for the SavageWorlds game-line starts out with all the superheroes of the world getting killed by a precision strike by invading aliens. The only ones left to oppose them (the [=PCs=] and their allies) are the supervillains.
* ''{{Winterweir}}'' is an Anti-Traditional Fantasy RPG in many respects. As such, the Trow and humans killing each other are more likely to be decent people suffering FantasticRacism than not.
* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' does this a lot as well. The state usually tagged as the good guy, House Davion, was led for years by the MagnificentBastard to end all {{Magnificent Bastard}}s, Hanse Davion. A man who engineered a massively destructive war and faked the brutal cashiering and disgrace of the son of his best friend and intelligence adviser... all so he could gain revenge on one man. Yet this same state is (almost legitimately) the beacon of freedom and rights in the Inner Sphere.
** Granted, the 'one man' he wanted revenge on was the leader of ''another'' Successor State, who very nearly managed to actually replace Hanse with a brainwashed doppelganger who'd have acted as his willing puppet. All events laid out in the (very early and thus possibly now somewhat obscure) ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' novel ''The Sword and the Dagger''. Wars ''have'' historically been fought for less...
** Or [=ComStar=], who are shown to be a manipulative and secretive organization, that can easily bring a state to its knees just by shutting off all communications between planets, and which is not above intriguing to keep its own interests secure -- there are a few hints that the Succession Wars may well be an EvilPlan by [=ComStar=] intended to preserve its own autonomy and power within the Inner Sphere. At the same time, it is the last holdout for many destroyed technologies that humanity would need to survive and thrive.
* The ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' campaign world ''TabletopGame/{{Greyhawk}}'' lives for this trope. The world of Oerth is always on a knife's edge between Law and Chaos, and there is an organization led by Mordenkainen the Mage (who must people will recognize because his name appears on a few spells) that ensures that neither gains ascendancy... by any means necessary. Mordenkainen, in canon fiction ([[Creator/GaryGygax Word of Gygax]], however, has it that this wasn't intended originally, had he not been ousted from TSR) will work with the BigBad one week, and then lead a group of paladins against him the next... all to keep the balance between Law and Chaos correct.
** So does ''TabletopGame/DarkSun''. A DeathWorld reduced to a scorched, mostly lifeless desert of rocks and dust (the ocean has been renamed the Sea of Silt... [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin take a wild guess why they call it that]]), where there isn't one creature (or plant) that isn't dangerous in some way (a sandcrawler looks like an adorable, fluffy, foot-long black furry caterpillar... it uses its cutesy appearance to get close to people, waits until the poor fool falls asleep, then implants its parasitic larvae in their flesh), one of the facts emphasized is that people will do terrible things merely to survive. That this is a JustifiedTrope for the setting goes some way towards explaining why it's a CrapsackWorld.
** [[ForgottenRealms The city of Neverwinter]], which has its own campaign book as of 4th Edition. Sure, you have the standard ObviouslyEvil factions such as the [[EldritchAbomination Abolethic Sovereignty]], [[TheNecrocracy Thay]], the [[ReligionOfEvil Ashmadai]], and a [[OurWerebeastsAreDifferent criminal empire of wererats]], but even the "good" factions don't come off particularly well. [[TheUsurper Lord Dagult Neverember]] is unquestionably helping the city recover after being ravaged by an erupting volcano, but he's a bit of a sleazeball and his reasons for devoting resources and money to the city aren't entirely altruistic. And [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters the Sons of Alagondar]], while certainly well-intentioned in their desire to see Neverwinter back in the hands of its people, are willing to murder, riot and hop into bed with the Dead Rats and Thay in order to see their goals achieved.
** ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' as a whole runs on this beneath the surface, [[WordOfGod at least according to Ed Greenwood]]. [[http://www.candlekeep.com/fr_faq.htm#_Toc16090539 See here.]]
* ''{{Exalted}}'' tends to vary between this and GreyAndGrayMorality, depending on your exact portrayal of the different factions.
** The Solar Exalted are the returned God-Kings of yore, who once went mad from [[{{Curse}} the Great Curse]] and were executed en masse, with their souls [[SoulJar trapped in the Jade Prison]] so they wouldn't reincarnate and continue their reign of terror. On the one hand, they seem to be a lot less insane now, and [[JumpedAtTheCall the world desperately needs their help,]] but there are plenty of folks who are worried they'll go back to their old habits...
** The Abyssal Exalted are made from Solar [[OurSoulsAreDifferent shards]] that have been corrupted by [[BarredFromTheAfterlife the Neverborn]], to aid the [[EvilOverlord Deathlords]] in destroying Creation. While [[DefectorFromDecadence not all Abyssals are evil]], their very nature is [[WalkingWasteland inimical to life]], and they have to work very hard not to destroy everything and everyone around them.
** The Infernal Exalted are also made from Solar Shards, but instead corrupted by [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils the Yozis]] rather than the Neverborn. As a result, they have the power of [[AbusivePrecursors the fallen Primordials,]] who want their Chosen to take back Creation from the gods and Exalted that cast them out. While the Infernals are perfectly capable of [[ScrewDestiny telling the Yozis to]] [[JustForPun go to hell,]] that doesn't necessarily [[AntiHero make them good guys.]]
** The Dragon-Blooded have had control of Creation ever since [[{{Gotterdammerung}} the Usurpation]] got rid of the Solar Exalted, but they spent most of that time in petty squabbles. While they were finally united (mostly) under the reign of [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen the Scarlet Empress,]] she ruled them with an iron fist, while simultaneously [[VetinariJobSecurity making herself irreplaceable in the Realm's political structure]]. And now, with the Solar Exalted returning, she has [[MissingMom suddenly disappeared]], ensuring all of the Great Houses are ready to vie for control.
** The Lunar Exalted have spent their time since the Usurpation on the borders of Creation, subtly influencing mortal affairs and engaging in social experimentation to create societies that do not require divine or Exalted intervention to function. Unfortunately, most of the elder Lunars that are running the show are [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish,]] evil, [[CloudCuckoolander or insane]] (or some combination thereof), and younger Lunars have to follow their orders or risk losing access to the moonsilver tattoos that will prevent [[TheCorruption Wyld taint.]]
** The Sidereal Exalted are in charge of maintaining Fate and keeping causality intact throughout Creation, but they also have a bad habit of sticking their nose into mortal affairs for the sake of their political agendas. [[{{Gotterdammerung}} The Usurpation]] was their idea, as was the Dragon-Blooded Realm, and they constantly squabble over [[IDidWhatIHadToDo whether they made the right choice or not.]] With the Solar Exalted back, the old factions have stirred up again, with some welcoming their new Solar overlords (while trying to maneuver themselves into becoming TheManBehindTheMan), and others violently opposing their return.
* Typical for ''TabletopGame/{{KULT}}'', except when it's worse.
* The premise of ''TabletopGame/{{Anathema}}'': Either meet a daily murder quota or let the Earth and all of humanity die a slow, horrible death.
* ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'': Firewall do some genuinely horrible things for the greater good, most of the factions have at least ''some'' dirty laundry...and they're still better than [[WasOnceAMan most exhumans]] and [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien the TITANs]].
* When playing ''TabletopGame/{{Infernum}}'', it's either this or EvilVersusEvil. You have an order of ''literal'' {{Knight Templar}}s who want to exterminate all demons in Hell, the so-called Free Tribes (which are humans who survive in Hell by being willing to do anything to survive, including using BlackMagic and committing cannibalism), {{Fallen Angel}}s and even idealistic demons who ''want'' to rise above their [[InTheBlood innately twisted, aberrant natures]] but are hampered by the limits of their biology and mentality (for starters, they can't survive without feeding off the pain of souls because it's all that holds their own souls together, and love isn't a natural emotion for them to feel). Versus these you have... well, all TheLegionsOfHell, who embrace corruption, torture, degradation, backstabbing, ambition and malice as the only things that matter.


* Creator/ChristopherMarlowe's ''The Jew of Malta'' is about a Jewish merchant who seeks vengeance against the corrupt government of Malta because they essentially stole all his property. We might feel sympathy for Barabas's victims if it weren't for the fact that most are Machiavellian opportunists or hypocrites. The only purely good characters in the play are Barabas' daughter and her fiancé. [[spoiler: Things don't end well for them.]]
* The TrueArtIsAngsty approach was rather prevalent in early to mid-20th century opera, resulting in Type IV/V anti-heroes who are only sympathetic because they're in an extremely CrapsackWorld. Alban Berg's two operas (''Theatre/{{Wozzeck}}'' and ''Lulu'') are as bleak as they come. Some of Benjamin Britten's operas also qualify, such as ''PeterGrimes''.
* Shakespeare's Othello: Iago is a CardCarryingVillain (at least to the audience) but Othello is easily tricked into suspecting his wife of infidelity and kills her by Iago, who essentially uses Othello's grey morality as a weapon for his evil.
* In ''Theatre/AnneOfTheThousandDays'', Anne considers that, though Henry is having her executed on trumped-up charges, she herself has sent men to equally unjust deaths.
* ''Theatre/ThrillMe'': Nathan has helped steal, burn down buildings, and murder a 12-year-old boy. However, he appears to have largely done this because he [[LoveMakesYouCrazy got swept up in Richard]], who set up the crimes and dealt the killing blow to the boy. We see Nathan express remorse for the boy's death. We see Richard express remorse...for getting caught.

[[folder:Video Games]]
* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' is devoted to this trope. Then again, being a DeconstructorFleet for many RPG tropes, this should come as no surprise. Given the series' emphasis on personal choice, where the "gray" area lies is solely your business; the Law faction is a group of well-meaning extremists intending to crush free will in order to ensure a perfect egalitarian society, Chaos is a group of vicious anarchists who worship freedom above all else, and the Neutral factions' permissiveness allowed the conflict in the first place and more often than not collapses into either side, but while it works it ensures an "island of stability" between both sides. Of course, humans being what they are, all this conspires to ensure a cycle of destructive {{Full Circle Revolution}}s that will last until Humanity finally learns to sit down and sort out its messes ''for good''.
* VideoGame/HitmanBloodMoney (and the rest of the Hitman series for that matter) has you playing as a cold blooded, emotionless contract assassin, killing for money and showing no sympathy whatsoever to any of his targets, regardless of their situation. On the other hand, he also kills pedophiles, so he's not all bad.
* ''VideoGame/DeadSpace3'' reveals that the Earth Government versus Unitology is this, with [=EarthGov=] as the Grey and Unitology as the Black. [=EarthGov=] created the Markers in the first place, unsealed them after having forgotten them over centuries, illegally imprisoned Isaac and other survivors to torturously extract Marker schematics from them and are responsible for myriad purges and assassinations, some of which are for dubious reasons. However, the Markers were created (and then recreated) in hopes of solving a serious, galaxy-spanning energy crisis, and once they realised that they all created Necromorphs, they have dedicated themselves to stopping the ZombieApocalypse. Unitology, meanwhile, are a PathOfInspiration that ''worships'' the Markers; and by ''3'' they sabotage [=EarthGov=] efforts, actively spread the infection, and slaughter innocent civilians.
* Welcome to ''VideoGame/TheSecretWorld''! Who would you like to side with? The ultra-capitalist, do-or-get-done [[TheIlluminati Illuminati]]? The militant, overzealous [[TheKnightsTemplar Templars]]? Or perhaps the chaos-theory-chasing, 'interpretive terrorist' [[TheChessmaster Dragons]]? They're all pretty bad in their own way, but they can be made to get along... after all, you can't rule the world if some mysterious fourth party destroys it, right?
* ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'' is the KING of this trope. Your hero is either a SociopathicHero or an UnwittingPawn with a habit of [[NiceJobBreakingItHero screwing everything up]]. Your villain tends to be a corrupt EldritchAbomination that would fit in well with H.P. Lovecraft's horrors and all of his minions. Even the Sarafan Brotherhood, a bunch of priests, were noted by Kain as being ignoble in the opening of Soul Reaver 2. The closest thing you get to something RELATIVELY good is [[LastOfHisKind Janos Audron]].
** To put that in context: Janos Auldron is the last of his kind because they began an unprovoked genocidal war at the command of their god, the aforementioned EldritchAbomination. Since he was selected as the Reaver Guardian, made Vorador and the Hylden leader in BloodOmen2 knew him (or at least of him) back then, he was no lowly conscript; he was probably one of the religious officials giving the orders to commit atrocities. The Ancient version of Moebius: Janos still believes in that same god. Then there's the fact he clearly doesn't give a damn about Vorador's victims & those of other vampires (the Sarafan's motivation), and the fact that even though he believes that vampirism is an unholy damnation, he had no problem doing it to a human. And he ''still'' comes across as relatively saintly and his death makes Raziel go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge because fanaticism and sociopathy are the norm in this universe and he's TheWoobie.
*** Neither Janos nor Moebius realized that the Elder God was just a hungry Eldritch Abomination. He even manages to fool Kain once. The Elder God is TheOmniscient MagnificentBastard, and made everyone his [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]] till Raziel purified Kain and allowed him to see the Elder God. [[spoiler: Moebius himself is forced to see it, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone and is quite horrified]]. Janos even admits that to pass on the curse was horrible, but it was necessary to keep the Hylden at bay. Also, while Raziel's main motivation is vengeance, he comes as more sympathetic and troubled guy as the story goes by. He REALIZES he's an UnwittingPawn to everyone, especially the guy who created and burned him, Kain, and in the end is [[spoiler: willing to make a sacrifice of the same vein Kain wasn't willing to(sacrifice yourself to save the world), though in Kain's case, killing himself wouldn't have solved anything]]. The plot is complicated, so it's safe to say everyone's got their Freudian Excuse or has been fooled into being what they are.
*** The Hylden. When you hear their story, you surely pity and root for them. Problem is, after so many eons trapped in the Demon Realm, they've become as genocidal and monstrous as the Ancient Vampires and Sarafans. They engineered Ariel's murder and the Corruption of the Pillars, and it's hinted they would have done it again and succeeded if Kain had sacrificed himself in the first game. In Blood Omen 2, they are revealed to have created a [[DoomsdayDevice massive bio-organic superweapon]] [[TheFinalSolution to kill every non-Hylden thing on Nosgoth]]. Plus, as [[spoiler: they are secretly controlling the Sarafans]], their rule is quite the inquisitorial, fascist one.
* The protagonists of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIII'' and ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoViceCity'' can only be said to be heroes in the sense that they fight against people who are even worse than they are. CJ, from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'', on the other hand, has a few genuinely heroic motivations (getting the drug dealers out of his neighborhood, avenging his mother's death, keeping his family and friends safe from harm), but he's still a murdering, thieving gangbanger [[spoiler: who blows up the Hoover Dam.]]
** CJ [[spoiler: murders the entire staff of a construction site and buries the foreman alive]] because someone whistled at his sister. And in an earlier mission, he breaks into a mansion and injures a rap star and all of his bodyguards, kidnapped the star's manager and trapped him in a car and ran it into the sea, all so his friend (who he doesn't even like) can steal his music or something.
* The ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' series, although really it's more of a [[EvilVersusEvil Black and Even More Black Morality]]. The Greeks had a [[{{Badass}} somewhat different definition]] of "hero" than we do.
* If you ever play ''TacticsOgre'' past the first chapter, then you'll see this trope in spades: everyone (including yourself, possibly) commits truly horrific atrocities, yet your home team still somehow ends up gray...
* In ''[[VideoGame/BaldursGate Baldur's Gate II]]'', only two options are open to the player concerning allies who can help locate your kidnapped childhood friend: One option is to side with a guild of thieves. The other is to side with a guild of vampires. Vampire thieves. And just in case you were wondering: No, these are ''not'' thieves with a heart of gold. Inside their guild-hall you'll witness TrainingFromHell with actually lethal results, torture, and worse. Needless to say, this makes roleplaying a [[KnightInShiningArmor paladin]] in this game an extremely difficult task. This is driven home by the fact that Keldorn Firecam, a Paladin in his own right, will just flat-out leave your party [[LostForever forever]] should you pick the vampires over the Shadow Thieves. (Keldorn isn't happy about working with the Thieves either, but, fortunately, he's very pragmatic for a LawfulGood sort).
* The ''Tiberium'' series of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'' gives you a choice between playing several factions. One is the Brotherhood of Nod, a fanatical army of terrorists who have no problem with killing civilians, torturing prisoners, and conducting horrific experiments with GreenRocks on the same. The second, "grayer" faction is the Global Defense Initiative, which is selfish, corrupt, and bound by countless rivers of red tape, and is focused entirely on improving the wealth and life of its own population at the expense of the majority of the world, which is rapidly falling apart into worldwide civil strife and poverty. Later games introduce a third faction named the Scrin, who are [[KillAllHumans homicidal]] ScaryDogmaticAliens.
** ''CommandAndConquerGenerals'' has this in spades. While the GLA are hypocrites exploiting their "just cause," the "good guys" aren't ''entirely'' altruistic on their part either. The Americans can come across as obnoxious and self-righteous patriots, while China is not above using napalm-based or even nuclear weapons if it means securing victory.
* In ''Stars!'', ''VideoGame/MasterOfOrion'', and many other 4X-style empire building games (whether space, sea, or land), it's generally assumed your race will kill millions of colonists belonging to other races. These are generally portrayed as innocent planetdwellers whose only crime is to be of a different race/faction as you, which makes most of the race leaders mass murderers. Subverted somewhat in the old space trading/combat game ''Warpath'' and ''Warpath 97'' where you could (very slowly) convert even the most unfriendly planets through trade and diplomacy. It was still easier to nuke them from orbit, even if it wasn't the only way to be sure.
** In spite of its happy SpaceWestern trappings (although you always have a white hat and your opponents more dastardly headgear, even in multiplayer), ''VideoGame/SpacewardHo'' presents an especially chilling example when you think about it. In order to colonize an enemy planet, you destroy all enemy defences, melt them for scrap, kill the entire biosphere, and {{terraform}} the planet to match your native ecosystem.
** Averted in ''VideoGame/MasterOfOrion 2''. Sure, you can genocide conquered colonists or even blow up their planet, but you also have the option of trying to assimilate them into your own empire. In fact, assimilation is actually the best option for telepathic or democratic races. You can also achieve victory by saving the galaxy from the Antarans, who are portrayed as evil to the core, while avoiding hostilities with anyone else.
** Averted almost entirely in ''VideoGame/MasterOfOrion III''. Once you conquer a world, you keep its population (at least what hasn't been killed by collateral damage or conscripted into the planetary militias). Ground units built there have the icon of their race, as well as their terrain advantages. The percentages of aliens against your own kind is displayed in the population screen.
** In the 4X series ''SpaceEmpires'' you can conquer enemy planets and live alongside the alien colonists you capture. You could even trade populations between different races as being able to breathe the atmosphere on a planet allows for more buildings. However, to get the maximum number of facilities only the race capable of breathing can be there. This means on occasion you may have millions of colonists who would otherwise have to live in domes to "relocate". You could bother to have a transport come and pick them up, but it's easier to just jettison them from the cargo. This is referred to as "Spacing". What's more you can "scrap" them and get 1 kiloton of organics per 1 million population, referred to as the "Soylent option", although it's not worth it really.
** Played straight in ''VideoGame/StarControl''. When the Alliance of Free Stars, the ostensible good guys, captures a Hierarchy mine or colony, they just bombard it to destruction from orbit. When the Syreen, one of the Alliance races, captures a Hierarchy colony, they first use mind control to recruit crew members from the civilian population, and then annihilate the rest from orbit. Oh, and one member "race" of the Hierarchy, the Androsynth, are actually just human beings, but, because they were clones, they were enslaved by the rest of humanity. They joined the Hierarchy because the Alliance recruited humanity. And another Alliance race, the Shofixti, use suicide bombing as a standard tactic.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Homeworld}}'' series plays into this somewhat. By the time the player is controlling them, the Kushan seem to be the [[TheWoobie punching bag]] of the galaxy. As the backstory is revealed, however, it's shown the Hiigarans [[spoiler:broke several treaties, attempted to conquer everything, attacked plenty unprovoked, and misused the Hyperspace Drive to attack large swaths of the galaxy]]. They could well have been a Big Bad in a prequel game. It's no real wonder they were smacked down like they were.
** There's also one portion in the game where a captured enemy captain died under interrogation. This is no Starfleet Command we're working with (though granted said captain had been part of the fleet that had just destroyed their home world, killing billions).
* Lampshaded in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' by Solid Snake saying ''"I'm no hero. Never was, never will be. I'm just an old killer hired to do some wetwork."'' The truth is, he's one of the [[ReluctantWarrior least gung-ho heroes]]. Compared to him most action heroes are [[BloodKnight reckless bastards]], but he actually feels guilty for all the mooks he killed and does not want other people to admire him for that.
* The Renegade playthrough of ''VideoGame/MassEffect1'' seems to take this light. While that's not to say there isn't a decent amount of [[GreyAndGreyMorality grey]] in the Paragon playthrough, Shepard and their crew are, for the most part, pretty clear-cut good guys. In the Renegade playthrough on the other hand, Shepard is portrayed as a WellIntentionedExtremist [[TheUnfettered who will go to any lengths]] to stop Saren and, later, [[spoiler:Sovereign.]] Though this can be justified by Saren being a monster, and [[spoiler:Sovereign being an OmnicidalManiac]].
** ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' is this trope regardless of paragon or renegade status. Not only does Shepard have to make an alliance with a terrorist group to fight the [[EldritchAbomination Reaper]] threat but Shepard's team is made up of [[VigilanteMan Vigilantes]], [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]], [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]], and other [[PsychoForHire ruthless murderers]]. Almost everyone on the team this time around is an [[AntiHero anti-hero]] in some way. Their opponents are [[StarfishAliens The Collectors]], a sinister, drone-like race of InsectoidAliens who kidnap entire colonies of people using their advanced technology, experiment upon them, turn them into husks [[spoiler:and worst of all, turn them into human paste to activate and power a human-shaped Reaper.]]
* In ''VideoGame/StarCraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm'', this is the crux of the conflict between the [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Zerg Swarm]] and the [[TheEmpire Terran Dominion]]. On the Zerg side, there's Sarah Kerrigan, a zerg/terran hybrid who dances terrifyingly close to the MoralEventHorizon in the name of self-preservation and revenge; Zagara, who [[BlueAndOrangeMorality thinks nothing of invading a planet, covering it in]] MeatMoss [[BlueAndOrangeMorality and killing or assimilating anyone unfortunate enough to be living or stationed there at the time]]; Abathur, an EvilutionaryBiologist who sees nothing wrong with [[MadScientist experimenting on sentient beings]] if it proves beneficial for the Swarm in the long run; Dehaka, a primal zerg packleader who [[IFightForTheStrongestSide allied himself with Kerrigan because she was stronger than anyone else]]; and Alexei Stukov, an infested terran who was once part of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName UED]] invasion force seen in ''Brood War''. On the Terran side, you have [[TheEmperor Arcturus Mengsk]], an utter sociopath who could succinctly be described as the most evil terran character in the game, against some stiff competition, and beyond him is [[GodOfEvil Amon]], a [[EldritchAbomination totally out-there]], [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm unfathomably]] [[UltimateEvil out-and-out evil]] Xel'Naga whose only long-term goal is the [[OmnicidalManiac eradication of all life in the cosmos]].
* ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' starts off like this and falls prey to [[FromBadToWorse getting darker as things go on]]. The humans are not portrayed as the nicest guys to start off with, and while Myrrah, the Locust queen, claims at the end of the first game that that the humans have actually done something incredibly horrible in the past -- something that, to the Locust, completely justifies their own war of extermination -- the Locust kidnapping of humans expressly for torturing them, as revealed in the second game, gives them absolutely no moral high ground to condemn humanity with. Moreover the COG forces have been intentionally and explicitly designed as [[PuttingOnTheReich Space Nazis]]. They even have their own medical concentration camps and they're perfectly willing to stunt the Locust advance by killing the vast majority of their own people with [=WMD=]s and preserve the human race by impregnating women against their will.
* During ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'', members of your party regularly engage in torture, one murders an unarmed man tied to a chair, and another holds an ally over a ledge with the full intent to drop him. By the next game, your party gets even more ruthless, at one point (implicitly) interrogating someone with electricity. When playing as an American going undercover, [[spoiler: you're forced to gun down an airport full of civilians.]] [[spoiler: However, you were playing directly into the BigBad's hands with that one.]] By the end of the second act, [[spoiler: Capt. Price, your team leader, launches a nuclear warhead at the United States, nullifying all technology on the East Coast.]] And by the end of the game, [[spoiler: Soap, your character, and Price have become fugitives with only one intent in mind: kill the bastard who set them up, and fucked over world history in a big way.]] There is no question, however, that these men are infinitely more heroic than [[ChaoticEvil the people they fight]].
* ''VideoGame/SupremeCommander'' falls squarely into this mindset-- the United Earth Federation, Cybran Nation, Aeon Illuminate, and Seraphim can and do make extremely good cases for why the other three are villains worthy only of annihilation. The Cybrans are the least-black of the factions, but it does boil down to what you view as the least evil: TheEmpire, LaResistance with a bad case of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized and WeAreStrugglingTogether, a ChurchMilitant, or the local ScaryDogmaticAliens.
* A similar setup was used in the sadly defunct MMORPG ''VideoGame/AutoAssault'' with the Humans, Mutants, and Biomeks. Each faction had reasons for wanting the other two dead, although the Humans may have been the biggest bastards of the bunch depending on how justified you think their desperate measures to protect their own existence were.
* In both ''VideoGame/{{Fable}}'' games, you can be as evil as they come, and still be expected to defeat the BigBad. Thus, making you the Black, and Jack/Lucien the Gray.
** The third game ramps it up [[UpToEleven even further]]. Along with being able to murder, steal, and destroy with wild abandon, the last leg of the game gives you a choice: [[spoiler: follow Logan's example and oppress the people for the sake of raising enough funds to keep them safe, or be a just ruler at the possible expense of your subjects being genocided by an army of shadow demons.]] Yet, even if you choose to be the biggest {{Jerkass}} in Albion you're still the Gray in this case...
* In ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', you're going to kill Malak no matter what your moral persuasion. Carth even explicitly uses this to rationalize staying with you after [[spoiler: [[TheReveal finding out who you really are]].]] The Jedi might also qualify for this, given that [[spoiler: they might or might not have erased your memory and turned you into a drone so that they could use you to uncover [[ArtifactOfDoom the source of Malak's power.]]]] You can try to turn him, and if you do he'll repent as he lays dying. Even a character you had ''just'' previously turned back to the Light side will act surprised you even made the effort, though.
** In the sequel, the bad guys are still very bad (Darth Nihilus in particular is a walking catastrophe). However, your companions come to include some pretty shady characters, particularly Kreia. While her intentions are ([[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation probably]]) good, Kreia is capable of doing some [[WellIntentionedExtremist nasty things]] to get what she wants. And usually she will get it, with or without your assistance.
* ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' (arguably the third in the series) tends to take this option. No one is going to argue that the Republic doesn't have ''serious'' problems like crooked government officials, crazed "scientists," corrupt {{MegaCorp}}s, and KnightTemplar Jedi. They also cut deals with terrorists (like Consular companion Zenith, who bombed civilian targets on Imperial-occupied Balmorra and doesn't much regret it and Trooper companion Tanno Vik, who is only in the army to avoid jail and/or the bounties on his head) and criminals (the entire Smuggler class). Ord Mantell's government is openly corrupt with local soldiers and government abusing civilians and gambling on sadistic "games" like betting on a refugee's odds of walking across a minefield and surviving. There is also the whopping black eye that is Belsalvis; a maximum-security, supposed-to-be-a-dirty-secret PenalColony where the Republic "scientists" staged gladitorial combat between different species to "test" them, conditions are so bad that a good prisoner gets ''weekly'' showers as a reward, and even the ''offspring'' of the inmates are treated like criminals and imprisoned, despite the crime being done by their parents or ''great-grandparents'' in come cases. Likewise, the Imperials (and Imperial players have the option to) PetTheDog on occasion, but it does ''not'' mitigate the fact the Emperor is an OmnicidalManiac, Darth Malgus (your main questgiver for that side) is a wife-beating thug who ''killed'' his Twi'lek "spouse" ([[UnfortunateImplications she was technically his]] ''[[StockholmSyndrome slave]]'') because she was a weakness to him, the Sith are unanswerable to any rule of law and have the average sanity of Franchise/{{Batman}}'s RoguesGallery, slavery and genocide are practiced openly (one Imperial official is running a Dachau-style "labor camp" on Nar Shaddaa, complete with gas chambers, crematoriums, and piles of corpses), [[FantasticRacism anyone not human or Sith species gets treated like something scraped from a boot]], and the whole thing runs on MightMakesRight and ChronicBackstabbingDisorder with everyone from Dark Council members to low level officials trying to knife each other in the back. For all their many flaws, the Republic still looks great by comparison.
* In ''VideoGame/{{killer7}}'', the protagonists are a group of amoral assassins who do work for people manipulating the fates of entire countries. Killing one of their targets, Toru Fukushima apparently results in the entire population of Japan being massacred, and if you refuse, Japan becoming BigBrother to everyone else. The villains include a [[CardCarryingVillain card-carrying terrorist]]. Dan's old mentor is a black-market organ dealer - and that's the face he ''doesn't'' conceal from the world. And then there's the fact that the protagonists are embodiment of good fighting against evil.
* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' revels in this. Aside from the entirety of the game world's premise, every single organization or group of people in the game are either gray or black. For example, the [[KnightsTemplar Brotherhood of Steel]] works towards a better future for humanity by trying to save every single piece of technology and creating a utopia for its members, but is generally disdainful of, and ignores, other people not in the Brotherhood of Steel. In the third game, the East Coast branch becomes more humanist, but suffers a schism early on in their history that leaves them horribly ineffective at actually helping people aside from keeping a radio station on air, they also shot Ghouls on signt, something not even [[TheEmpire The Legion]] does.
** In fact, some quests are there to hammer this point home, most notably the infamous ''Tenpenny Towers'' quest.
* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' has this in spades.
** The [[TheFederation NCR]] may be populated by well-meaning people, but it is overly-bureaucratic and incredibly corrupt. Their expansionist policies seek to bring peace to America, but their military resources are spread so thin that they can't provide ''real'' security. Despite this, they ruthlessly tax their citizens and annex anyone who tries to resist their influence.
** [[TheEmpire Caesar's Legion]] is a brutal but effective autocracy that brings true stability and security to its territories. However, they enforce slavery and rape as a means to grow their ranks, destroy any unique cultures for the sake of absorbing them into the Legion, and creates a lower standard of living through its aversion to technology
** Mr. House has created one of the only safe, clean and progressive havens in the entire Wasteland, and is one of the few humans left with the intelligence and ambition to fix the world. But he is ''only'' concerned with New Vegas, and shows no mercy to anyone who opposes his dictatorship.
** The Brotherhood of Steel are LawfulStupid KnightTemplar JerkAss technology gatherers who are known to rob and kill people to get their technology.
** The [[BarbarianTribe Boomers]] are {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s who will join up with ''anyone'' if it means [[StuffBlowingUp bombing]] "savages", and by that they mean [[OfThePeople everyone who isn't a Boomer]].
** And then there's [[PlayerCharacter the Courier]], who can chose to turn the Mojave Wasteland into a new Wild West; completely independent and free, but everyone has to look out for themselves with no one but the person standing beside them to rely on. You do this by essentially burning every other group to the ground and letting the flames sort it all out.
** The minor factions are at best well-intentioned but ineffectual, such as the Followers of the Apocalypse, while most of them are insane, violent, or both.
* In typical RPG fashion, ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' allows you to side with one of two warring factions in the Vezima area. One the one side you have a racist order of human knights who wage a genocidal war against elves and dwarves, and on the other side you have a racist terrorist group of elves and dwarves who wage a genocidal war against humans. Fortunately you can TakeAThirdOption, which means siding with neither faction and becomming an enemy of both. While all 3 options are gray to some degree (neutrality ends with a huge kill count on ''both'' sides), the main enemy, Salamandra, has no redeeming qualities.
* Franchise/SlyCooper leans in this direction, he robs the wicked and gives to himself as part of a family tradition that goes back thousands of years. Most of what's been stolen hasn't even spent but rather dumped in a vault because when it comes down to it the Cooper Clan steals things purely to stroke their own egos.
* The bread and butter of ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}''. The protagonist is a bloodthirsty psychopath with a penchant for vengeance; your allies are a pedophile, an insane infertile child killer, an elitist bigot and religious fanatic, and a dragon with an unbridled hatred for all of humanity; your former "friend" goes nuts with jealousy and grief; and the most innocent character, your sister, wants to jump your bones and because of this she [[spoiler:kills herself]] sfter revealing that. This is all much less clear in the American version, where they greatly toned down these quirks, but they're still there... and to think, you're the ones trying to save the world. The rest of the world is trying to kill you. In the sequel ''Drakengard 2'', this is much less so.
** ''Drakengard 3'' looks to be back on track with the heroine being nearly as bloody and psychopathic as Caim, and all party members being psycho-enabling members of her harem.
* ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' can tend towards this. Even most of the "good guys" are morally questionable... but the villains are incredibly nasty embodiments of pure malevolence. Oh, and the sweet, innocent-looking little blonde girl resembling Little Red Riding Hood? She's one of the latter.
* ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'' takes place in a CrapsackWorld that's been ravaged by an EldritchAbomination for 10 straight years, and that's just the backstory. The present timeline has three distinct sides in the plot, and each character on the respective side have their own motivations and each one of them have pretty dirty laundry. Honestly, the morality in this series is all over the place.
** First of, are the Norvus Orvus Librarium(NOL for short), the ruling government of the entire planet. They maintain order in the CrapsackWorld and keep it from getting even worse for the most part, but have extremely questionable methods in doing so and have no problem silencing anyone who opposes their rule. The heads of said organization is also the {{BigBad}}s.
** Second is Sector 7, a rival organization to the NOL. They don't oppose the NOL because its the "right" thing to do mind you, no its mainly because of a difference in ''how'' to rule the world. Sector 7 focus on science and technology, while the NOL use {{Magitek}}.
** And then there's the largely unaffiliated characters who either oppose the NOL as well, or are just bounty hunters looking to get paid. The protagonist, Ragna the Bloodedge, is also apart of this faction but he's only targeting the NOL to hunt down one man who screwed him over massively and will mow down anyone in his way to do it, even if they're just {{Mooks}} trying to get a paycheck. Also, the NOL have put a bounty on his head because of this(The largest one in history) and the aforementioned bounty hunters are also after his head as well. Funnily enough, Ragna is one the ''less'' ambiguous good guys in the series.
* In ''VideoGame/WarcraftIII'' the factions ranged from genocidal (Undead) all the way to willing to let everyone die out of sheer prickishness (Night Elves). ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' turns around and averts this with Tirion Fordring. Despite the questlines in Northrend which appear to be arguing that good people must sometimes do bad things, the only man who keeps his hands clean [[CurbStompBattle melts the face off the Lich King]] every time they meet.
* ''VideoGame/{{Prototype}}'' doesn't really have any heroes. Correction, it ''really'' doesn't have any heroes. Take your pick: zombie mutants controlled by a psychotic girl, soldiers who are more concerned with destroying evidence than protecting anybody, or a main character who is out for revenge, is a self-proclaimed terrorist, and has absolutely no qualms with tearing innocent people to shreds and eating their insides to heal? (He gets a conscience later on, but still.) Sure, there's the Marines [[PunchClockVillain who only want to save people and destroy the main character and zombie mutant side because they're eating people]], Dr. Ragland and Dana Mercer, but it doesn't change the fact that the fate of the city lies in the hands of a man-eating mutant monstrosity.
* The ''[[VideoGame/{{Earth 2150}} Earth]]'' RTS series. The Eurasian Dynasty is TheEmpire, combining the worst aspects of Soviet Russia and the Mongolian Khanate. Against them in ''Earth 2140'' are the UCS -- a group of lazy hedonists completely dependent on machines for labor. Sequel ''{{Earth 2150}}'' introduces the Lunar Corporation, who start off as ALighterShadeOfGrey... but get worse ''fast'' due to actually having to participate in the war. By ''Earth 2160'', they're confirmed to be working on chemical weapons.
* ''VideoGame/{{Geneforge}}'' approaches this after the well-intentioned, hopelessly naive Awakened are [[MultipleEndings canonically]] exterminated in the second game, and falls headlong into it by game five. The funny thing, though, is that every faction except game two's [[TakeOverTheWorld Barzites]] has some people arguing (occasionally [[FlameWar vehemently]]) that it's the grey to everyone else's black. In general, [[TeamSwitzerland Astoria]] and [[TheMagocracy Alwan]] have the most supporters, but even [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Taygen]] has been argued to be the lesser evil.
* The hero of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' is a member of the Grey Wardens, an order of warriors, rogues and mages dedicated to battling the darkspawn. The latter is a race of AlwaysChaoticEvil monsters who would destroy the entire world if given the chance. The Grey Wardens enlist anyone strong enough to battle the darkspawn, which can include street thugs, bandits, assassins and [[BloodMagic blood mages]]. They can also forcibly conscript anyone they want into the order, which may be how you were chosen as a candidate. When you ask Alistair if the Grey Wardens are heroes, he tells you that the Grey Wardens do whatever is necessary to end the Blight, which can mean some pretty extreme things. You can be a total bastard in this game, but you will still be fighting to save the world.
** Many of the quests in the game force you to make a SadisticChoice, such as [[spoiler: the ending of the Redcliffe castle quest. You have a choice between killing the Arl's son because he's possessed by a Demon or sacrificing the Arl's wife with BloodMagic (which is illegal) so you or another mage in your party can go into the Fade and destroy the Demon, leaving the child unharmed. And it's really not clear which of these options is ''worse''. You can't win, as the morally correct characters disapprove either way.]]
*** Or, you could TakeAThirdOption and get help from the Circle of Mages, allowing you to destroy the demon without needing to sacrifice someone. And while the third option indeed seems to be the "best" way to solve the problem, technically it does involve [[spoiler:leaving the Redcliffe villagers to fend for themselves at the mercy of the abomination that's been terrorizing them while you go off and solve the Circle's problems - a detail that seems to have been glossed over, especially since it's something that should have been available to justify your choice to Alistair, for example.]] [[spoiler:This is, assuming you didn't [[VideoGameCrueltyPunishment slaughter the Circle.]] Then you're stuck.]]
* Like its predecessor, ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' also has very little "purely good" characters and choices. Which of the many sides of Kirkwall are Black and which are merely Gray is a bit up in the air, depending on one's interpretation--the [[KnightTemplar Templars]] are on paper tasked with stopping mages who consort with demons from harming innocent people, in practice they believe that apparently any mage is only a moment's temptation away from throwing everything away and summoning demons to slaughter their neighbors and crack down ''harshly'' on any mage suspected of not toeing the line, hitting them with either death or [[FateWorseThanDeath Tranquility]]. Meanwhile the mages are visibly cracking under the strain of dealing with the Templars, many of them resorting to BloodMagic out of either desperation or building resentment and hate towards the Templars. The Chantry (i.e. the Church) tries to mediate between the two, in addition to the standardly churchly things of charity of various sorts--but this is undermined by the Templars being an actual branch of the Chantry, as well as the Chantry opposition to the Qunari living in Kirkwall. The Qunari, meanwhile, are terrifying fighters [[spoiler:who sack the city pretty thoroughly halfway through the game]]...after suffering repeated insults such as rampant racism, ill treatment by the ruling class, and high-ranking Chantry elements torturing and murdering innocent Qunari for no other reason than being Qunari and refusal of anyone in charge to do anything about it--you know, things they cannot be reasonably expected to to take lying down. Then there's the elves, the rich/poor divide in the city--the short version is that in ''Dragon Age II'', '''no one''' comes out smelling like roses.
* In ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'', certain missions allow you only to align yourself with the Black Arms (Black) as your villain option or Doctor Eggman (Grey) as your hero option. Then, you can go neutral, killing everyone.
* ''VideoGame/TotalAnnihilation'' is a galaxy spanning war-game about two factions that have ultimately desecrated and destroyed all of the principals they once fought for over an obsessive determination to annihilate their enemy.
* ''VideoGame/{{Darksiders}}'' follows this to a tee. You are War, a horseman of the Apocalypse. [[spoiler:The game opens with Heaven and Hell battling it out, with humans stuck in the middle, during a premature Apocalypse. You are later accused of starting it, and go on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to take them down, and find out who really started the war, allying yourself with a high-ranking servant of the Devil, as well as a benevolent "Old One" along the way.]]
* The ''VideoGame/WarioLand'' series, as well as ''VideoGame/WarioWorld'' and ''VideoGame/WarioMasterOfDisguise''. Wario is usually saving the world by accident, with the intent of being as greedy as possible.
* Both ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', where one less evil [[BigBrotherIsWatching conspiracy faction]] is fighting the more evil one, and [[VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar its sequel]], where everyone is somewhat ambiguous except for TheKnightsTemplar extremists.
** And said extremists are, well, [[ThoseWackyNazis Hitler]].
* ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Conviction'' seems to be headed this way.
* The ''[[Franchise/TheElderScrolls Elder Scrolls]]'' series, particularly ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]''. Daggerfall's king [[spoiler: [[WildMassGuessing may have]] helped sell-out his own father to a power-hungry lord from Wayrest]], Sentinel's king and queen [[spoiler: killed their firstborn son (by burying him alive) because he A) was constantly ill, and B) preferred scholarly pursuits over swordcraft]], and Wayrest...just Wayrest. Oh, yeah, there's a quest where [[spoiler: you kill a kid]] to cure yourself of Lycanthropy.
** The lycanthropy quest is at least not obligatory if you want to finish the game. What the main quest ''does'' have you do is do favours for one of the Black Morality characters (namely, the power-hungry and godhood-seeking founder of necromancy). ''Several'' favours.
** Another Elder Scrolls example is present in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'''s ''Tribunal'' expansion. King Helseth, who [[spoiler: initially sends ''assassins'' to kill the [[PlayerCharacter Nerevarine]],]] ends up recruiting said character to [[spoiler: infiltrate and eventually eliminate [[BigBad Alm]][[AGodAmI alexia]].]] Neither is "good" in this situation, and even the shade of gray is ''very'' dark.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Risen}}'', after the prologue, you must align with one of two factions to progress further. One is a group of fanatical, fascist {{Knight Templar}}s, and the other is a clan of brutal, unscrupulous bandits.
* In the ''VideoGame/{{Overlord}}'' series of games, you play a [[CardCarryingVillain stereotypical]] EvilOverlord in a world where you face foes who are arguably worse due to their extreme cruelty and corruption while maintaining that they're the good ones. In ''OverlordII'', you embark on a campaign to conquer a corrupt Romanesque empire which advertises itself as a beacon of civilization, yet is run by fat morally bankrupt beaurocrats who practice slavery, execute all dissenters, and enjoy ethnic cleansing against any magical creature or suspected magic user. It's even worse when you discover that [[spoiler:the emperor founded the empire with the support of the common folk by promising to destroy all magic (and following through on that promise) after he himself secretly caused a magical cataclysm which caused all the suffering of the common folk in the first place.]] Compared to that, everything you do in the game is positively heroic, even the destruction/enslavement of the all the "innocent" people, all of whom are nasty, selfish, racist and morally repugnant anyway. In fact as the Overlord, you are the only one who displays any virtue of goodness; at least you're honest about your intentions compared to everyone you end up facing.
* In the {{Abandonware}} game ''VideoGame/HiddenAgenda1988'', if you side with the right-wing professional army, they will run death squads and engage in massive brutality. If you side with the left-wing ex-guerillas, all they do is "merely" beat people up, harass opponents, shut down dissenting newspapers and forcibly conscript citizens en masse. If you want to TakeAThirdOption and try to keep both sides under control, then that requires establishing a personal dictatorship because elections will set off the powder-keg, and tolerating death-squad violence because the alternative is civil war.
* The Soviet Campaign of ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty: World At War'' consists of hoards of pissed off Russians smashing their way through Nazi Germany, brutally killing anyone that stands in their way. Granted, the Germans did the same to them, but the Soviet's payback gets so bad that one of your squadmates will frequently protest the slaughter.
** The loading scene before the last level consists of Reznov reading a diary passage from said squadmate, after [[spoiler: his death by a German flamethrower.]] If you have your character fully participate in the slaughter of the Germans, he will denounce the character. If you restrain yourself, he will praise you. If you do a mixture of both, he will simply paint you as a moral question mark.
* ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}''. The four protagonists are all OnlyInItForTheMoney and more than a bit sociopathic (especially Mordecai and Brick). Their main allies are a greedy arms dealer who only helps them because they keep buying his weapons, an overly eccentric mechanic who cares more about his combat cars than ''anything else'', an [[JerkAss utter bitch]] who also happens to be the [[OnlySaneMan only sane woman]], a medic with a MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate who may or may not have an EvilTwin [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial who is most definitely not just him in a disguise]], and an elitist, egotistical InsufferableGenius with [[CloudCuckooLander a questionable mental state]]. And yet, despite all this, they're ''still'' about 100 times better than the Bandits, Crimson Lance and [[spoiler:Eridians]]. VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}} carries this tradition on, with Hyperion making even the Crimson Lance look pleasant.
* Very present in the German RPG-Maker Game ''VideoGame/VampiresDawn''. The fact that you're playing a vampire should already give you a hint. While it is perfectly possible to play a noble kind of vampire who doesn't feed on humans or does worse to them, the technical leader of our PowerTrio is not TheHero, but the TokenEvilTeammate, who revels in being a vampire. Therefore, you will still be doing some morally questionable things, like killing the nation's King or sucking up souls for extra strength. In the second game, our heroes are engaged in a three-way battle with the Elras Mages and the heroic, but flawed Warrior Clan, and slaughter both indiscriminately.
* The protagonists in the ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' series are members of an ancient [[MurderInc Assassin Order]] that by the Renaissance routinely works with [[PrivateMilitaryContractors mercenaries]], [[ThievesGuild thieves]] and [[TheOldestProfession courtesans]] to kill their targets. Said targets are usually members or associates of the [[KnightTemplar Templars]], a shadowy group that counts nearly every prominent historical figure (from [[Literature/TheBible Cain]] to [[TheBorgias Pope Alexander VI]] to UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler to ''MahatmaGandhi'') as members that have been secretly guiding humanity since the dawn of civilisation, with the ultimate goal of controlling the human race via the removal of [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill free will.]]
** Then again, some of the Abstergo files in Assassin's Creed Revelations seem to suggest the Templars took a bad turn [[EvenEvilHasStandards even for their regular standards]] during the Renaissance, as the Borgias and their allies were more interested in personal ambition and profit than creating a better world, and mainly comprised [[CorruptChurch corrupt clergy]] and [[AristocratsAreEvil greedy aristocrats]]. The Templars from the Crusades were all, except for Majd Addin, interested in actually stopping the Crusades and bringing peace to the Holy Land. Most of their amoral actions are based on the idea that there is no God or Afterlife, [[spoiler: as the Pieces of Eden were instruments from an ancient civilization to create and manipulate mankind as a slave race]], which they use as justification to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans create a better world, no matter how cruel they must be]]. Abstergo seems to follow this same line of thought, along with a hinted goal of [[spoiler: evolving humanity to a stage similar to Those Who Came Before.]] It's safer to say they think they're NecessarilyEvil and have good intentions, with some of their members actually being pure evil since they don't hold many hiring moral standards. There's also the case of [[spoiler:Lucy Stillman, who had become disenchanted from the Assassins for seemingly abandoning her in a deep cover infiltration and thus agreed to pretend to be a loyal Assassin so as to retrieve Ezio's Apple of Even, but was never as amoral as her boss Warren Vidic]].
** ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII'' paints both factions as shades of Grey compared to [[spoiler:Juno, who straight up loathes humans and wants to conquer them.]]
** And then Rogue completely flips things around. Achilles Davenport, the leader of the Colonial Assassins, is a pigheaded petty tyrant who never considers the consequences of his actions (which eventually leads to ''Lisbon being destroyed in an earthquake''). It's gotten so bad, in fact, that they've outright established a ''criminal network'' in two cities and various other locations in the colonies. They're single-mindedly focused on their war with the Templars (and use it to justify just about everything); none seem particularly interested in helping the people whose freedom they're supposedly fighting for. Meanwhile, Shay Cormac, after turning to the Templars, ends up liberating an Indian village, renovating broken buildings all over the colonies, and taking apart the Assassins' criminal network. James Monroe, a lifelong Templar, is by far the most decent person in the entire game (he's the one who gets Shay started renovating), and the Templars' allies are at worst harmless. Even Haytham Kenway isn't interested in harming anyone who isn't an Assassin (mind you, he still gets ''very'' nasty to them). Juno, meanwhile, is utterly impotent and actually pleads to anyone who will listen that she has the world's best interests at stake. (It's also strongly hinted that she has supporters, which pretty much kills any BigBad kick dead.)
* ''VideoGame/AlphaProtocol''. You work for a shady, accountability-free government agency that 'recruit' you by kidnapping you [[spoiler:and are secretly collaborating with the BigBad to escalate global politics for money]]. Your enemies include a CorruptCorporateExecutive, a CaptainErsatz of Osama Bin Laden, a psychopathic torturing gangster, and an ex-rogue agent who takes hostages and blows up museums because it's his job to do so. It speaks volumes that the only person who doesn't openly mislead, lie to or manipulate you is the game's SociopathicHero, who's only in it to hurt people you point him at.
* ''[[VideoGame/{{X}} X3 Albion Prelude]]'' takes a dive towards this. One side is the technologically superior Terrans (Earth system) who are isolationist, paranoid, and deathly afraid of artificially intelligent ships, and the other side is the Argon Federation, the LostColony of Earth, who have no trouble with AI ships. Because the Terrans were moving their fleet around to investigate rumors of AI development, the Argon blow up the ''massive'' defense station / shipyard / factory / civilian station that is wrapped around Earth, killing tens of millions in an instant (and [[ColonyDrop then the wreckage falls to Earth]]), then launching millions of AI ships in a quest to wipe out the entire Terran military.
* ''Videogame/EvilIslands'', Zak falls into the AntiHero trope, and while the Khadaganian empire is undoubtedly evil, the Canian empire is not much better.
* ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' is filled with Black and Gray Morality, along with GrayAndGreyMorality and sometimes outright EvilVersusEvil. The BigBad of the game is a [[YourSoulIsMine soul-eating]] OmnicidalManiac, and the [[PlayerCharacter Dragonborn]] can be a ''real'' bastard too; you can [[spoiler:steal other people's things, rebuild the [[PsychoForHire Dark Brotherhood]] to it's former glory, murder the Emperor, trap people's souls to power your weapons, and torture people]], and your mentor Paarthurnax [[spoiler:[[AlternateCharacterInterpretation may or may not]] be a patient [[TheStarscream Starscream]] with a MeaningfulName]]. There's also the Civil War sidequest. One side is an iron-fisted but [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] VestigialEmpire that goes around executing innocent people because there may be a ''slight possibility'' that they are members of a rebel group that fights them (read: your first encounter with this faction ends up with you almost getting a [[OffWithHisHead discount haircut]], even though you're ''proven to be nothing more than an innocent bystander who was in the wrong place at the wrong time'', the commander in charge '''''[[KickTheDog orders you to be killed anyway]]'''''), and may or may not be happy to [[StupidSurrender cozy up]] to a faction made up of genocidal fascists. The other is a group of bull-headed [[FantasticRacism racist]] rebels who are led by a guy who's either a revolutionary war hero, a StupidGood freedom-fighter who [[UnwittingPawn doesn't fully grasp the consequences of his actions]], or a power-hungry tyrant who seized power due to a KlingonPromotion. Their mutual opposition? A faction of [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar genocidal]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazi]] [[CantArgueWithElves High Elf supremacists]] who are plotting to KillAllHumans and destroy the world, ''elves possibly included, because it isn't perfect''. [[CrapsackWorld Things have]] '''really''' [[DarkerAndEdgier gone to shit since]] ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''.
* ''VideoGame/NoMoreHeroes''. The name says it all. The game series is severely lacking in any truly moral characters, with the main character Travis Touchdown being a [[ThisLoserIsYou loser]] and AntiHero who mostly kills simply under the promise of getting sex with the beautiful young lady who arranges the fights and to get enough money to pay off his rent. And while he does have ''some'' morals, keeping him at a rather light shade of grey, the other assassins he has to face range from {{Tragic Villain}}s forced into the line of work due to circumstances, to [[AxeCrazy complete psychopaths]]. [[spoiler:Subverted at the end of the second game when Travis vows to destroy the UAA after seeing how many lives it has destroyed, making him more of true hero]].
* Despite the series having a huge amount of humor ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'' ends up falling in this category. You have the Underworld army that is clearly evil and then you have the forces of nature that want to destroy humanity for destroying nature, the auron army that take planets and make a civilization from them, and space pirates that are just looting treasure. They're all in the grey zone as they all have good reasons for causing harm. Angel Land and humans are also not immune as [[{{Troll}} Palutena]] is shown to not be the [[GoodisNotNice nicest Goddess]] alive as Pit makes her out to be and HumansAreTheRealMonsters in this game. Pit is the only character in the entire game that is shown to be the morally good person (white) of the series with his EvilTwin [[spoiler: (and that is subverted near the end when he becomes almost as good as Pit)]] Dark Pit being the second given Pit's status as the IncorruptiblePurePureness made him neutral at worst.
* The main plot of ''VideoGame/BookOfMagesTheDarkTimes'' consists of a struggle between the White Robes and Black Robes. The [[PraetorianGuard Black Robes]] are exactly what you would expect; the best of them are either [[PunchClockVillain Punch Clock Villains]] or fitted with an ExplosiveLeash, while the willing members are tyrannical villains. [[spoiler: The Great Mage is actually an AntiVillain who wants to become a RetiredMonster, but he's also guaranteed to die before the end game.]] The [[LaResistance White Robes]], however, are willing to commit some questionable deeds to accomplish their goals, including attempting to rig a mage tournament to prevent a Black Robe from taking the top spot, and while most of their members are fairly light grey, [[spoiler: Flamier]] is only in it for personal power, and the White Robe PC can [[spoiler: cause a FullCircleRevolution and oppress the other mages every bit as thoroughly as the Black Robes' Great Mage did.]] Meanwhile, neutral mages generally don't care about morality one way or the other; they only care that the Great Mage is elected [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority according to the rules]], and whether the Great Mage is good or evil is irrelevant to them.
* ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'' thrives on this, combined with GoodIsNotNice and LightIsNotGood. The angels were mostly disgusted with mankind, which resulted from the union of an angel & demon, after they discovered it. Angels and demons once voted on whether to kill humanity; many angels were for it and only Tyrael's vote prevented genocide. [[spoiler:In Act IV, Archangel Imperius blames Tyrael and the [[PlayerCharacter nephalem]] for Diablo's assault, issues a death threat when he first encounters them, and tries to kill the nephalem while Diablo is on the verge of destroying Heaven.]] Demons are only marginally less sympathetic.
* Ubisoft's ''VideoGame/HeroesOfMightAndMagic''. The bad guys are simple enough, undead and Demons, but on the "good guy" factions, the Griffon Empire is a KnightTemplar organization that operates under a heavy WithUsOrAgainst us mentality (the standard punishment for ''questioning a draft'' is having you, your friends and your family put to death, your home looted, and your entire town ''burned to the ground''), a society of aloof, arrogant elves, and xenophobic, warmongering dwarves.
** In New World Computing's old setting, The first ''Heroes Chronicles'' has an interesting case where this is effectively the case throughout the campaign... but who is the Black and who is the Gray ends up shifting. You start out as the Barbarian being willing to be a bit ruthless to overthrow your tyrannical Wizard oppressors, but by the time you attack Bracaduun proper your ruthlessness has gone ''[[VillainProtagonist way]]'' out of control, while your enemies now include people who just want to defend their homes (who happens to lie in the tyrannical Wizards' nation).
* ''VideoGame/{{Messiah}}'' has: the police forces that serve the dictator Father Prime (black); the Chots, which are a society of insane cannibals (black); Satan, who is, well, Satan; and God, who is "gray" at the very best, as he looks out mostly for himself, and decides to leave humanity at Satan's mercy because he thinks they're beyond salvation. Probably the most good character in the game (apart from ordinary civilians) is Bob the angel, who is still a ruthless AntiHero.
* ''VideoGame/{{Killzone}}''. On one side, we have the Helghast, a HumanSubspecies specifically designed to evoke Nazi imagery with their trench coats, [[NoSwastikas black-and-red flags]], and atrocious treatment of human prisoners. That said, they have their moments of nobility, and their grievances against their enemies is a valid one -- not to mention the fact that in the second and third games, it's ''their'' planet that's under attack. Which brings us to the other side, the ISA, who forced the original Helghast colonists off their own world in the first place over property rights and onto the local DeathWorld, where they pretty much had to evolve and develop a harsh and tyrannical society or die. Oh, and they secretly controlled traffic between the two worlds, making it impossible for the colonists to contact friends and family suffering on Helghan. So, who's black and who's gray? We're probably meant to sympathize more with the ISA, but there's a ''lot'' of RootingForTheEmpire. As far as most fans are concerned, it just comes down to the Helghast [[EvilIsCool looking goddamn awesome]] and the ISA troops being a bunch of boring run-of-the-mill SpaceMarines.
** The soldiers on both sides are gray. Really, it's the leaders of both factions that perform the most atrocious acts in the game; Some of them fanatically believe in the war (Sinclair, Stahl), others are just in it for themselves (Visari, Dr. Meisner). The sad thing is, the protagonists butcher thousands of enemy soldiers, but never get to kill the people making their efforts worthless or counterproductive. ([[spoiler:Echo's Kill Sinclair mission is playable, but by that point the main character is dead]]).
* ''VideoGame/PapersPlease'' is a depressingly realistic version of this trope. You play a [[ObstructiveBureaucrat border crossing guard]] in a Communist country, tasked with checking passports and refusing an entry visa to anyone without the proper paperwork. You're paid per visa granted and fined for each one you grant improperly, even if that means keeping a couple separated or refusing entry over a bureaucratic triviality. Oh, and your family is barely living hand to mouth as it is, so altruism will bankrupt your character quickly, as will keeping everyone out. There ''is'' a group of freedom fighters who are planning to overthrow the current regime, and you can help them if you want...but they utilize terrorist tactics and chemical warfare, and it's not clear if they really are going to instate a better government should they take over.
* ''VideoGame/SkiesOfArcadia'', amazingly for such an idealistic story. Vyse and the other Blue Rogues may be JustLikeRobinHood, and they only steal from armed ships, but they're still rather comfortable with murder and theft. They're a light shade of grey, but grey nonetheless. The villains are all over the place: Belleza is an AntiVillain who is fine with espionage and betrayal, but generally tries to avoid murdering people due to her TearJerker backstory. [[spoiler:Vigoro can pull a HeelFaceTurn despite coming scarily close to raping Aika]]. Gregorio is a PunchClockVillain and actually a decent guy [[spoiler:who pulls a HeroicSacrifice to save the heroes]]. Ramirez is presented as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds. [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide Galcian]], [[AxCrazy DeLoco]], [[SmugSnake Alfonso]] and [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Empress]] [[BiggerBad Teodora]] are basically black.
* This is Fifth Planet Games' M.O., with each of the protagonists fighting against the forces of evil... and sometimes reveling in evil themselves. Examples from the games that involve the Blue Dragon faction include kleptomania, pride, manslaughter, outright mass-murder, and a general sense of self-denial of all their personal misdeeds being that bad (One of them [[spoiler:nuked two colony planets]]. Granted, the civilians were Neo-Nazis BUT SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE HELL.). This is in comparison to the Black Dragon faction, who are so proud of themselves that they seek to conquer everything and put themselves higher than gods (who, in this twisted crapsack setting, aren't pure good themselves), and effectively worship a leader who keeps crawling straight out of hell and even reforming his soul after it breaks apart, even though it's obvious that he becomes more insane and violent with each resurrection.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Lackadaisy}}'''s main characters are gangsters who run an illegal alcohol joint. Murder, ambiguous innocence and deception follow.
** Yet most of the cast are still lovable and goofy anthromoporphic cats.
*** It's incredibly easy to forget that what the characters are doing is ''crime'', or that they're even doing anything wrong. Many "Would it be a HeelFaceTurn or a FaceHeelTurn?" ponderings ensue.
* ''LookingForGroup'' has elements of this. While [[TheEmpire Legaria]] is definitely portrayed as villainous, the heroes aren't very nice people themselves. Especially [[TokenEvilTeamMate Richard]].
* ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', certainly. There aren't a lot of well-paying jobs the "heroes" won't take, and those are generally due to personal grudges rather than morals. That said, they never come off as {{Villain Protagonist}}s; in nearly every storyline, following the money either puts them on the most sympathetic side surrounded by state-sponsored ideologues, or they managed to find a way to fulfill their contract without doing anything ''too'' bad. Or, sometimes, finding some way to get hired by someone else to take out their bad boss at the same time. They consider those the best days.
* The Baker Street Irregulars of ''MayonakaDensha'', while not consisting of bad people per se, aren't above killing their enemies or breaking into peoples homes in the name of justice. And the villain, [[spoiler: UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper for some odd reason seems averse to actually killing them]]. This is even lampshaded by Hatsune at one point.
--> "You know, for the quote unqoute good guys we sure do...break into a lot of places"
* ''Webcomic/EightBitTheater''. The only ''good'' characters of the four or five heroes are [[TheDitz an impossibly stupid dullard]] and a kind woman who is crippled by the fear of doing ''anything'' wrong. The other three are an AxCrazy OmnicidalManiac, a mentally disturbed {{Munchkin}}, and a ruthlessly selfish MagnificentBastard. The king of the most powerful nation in the world is even more stupid than the aforementioned dullard, and may very well be mentally retarded. On the villains' side, we have a LARP-ing, emo vampire, an ex pirate captain who is also [[TheDitz very stupid]], a comically incompetent warlord (who's been ''very'' slowly getting better), a dark elf who is quite possibly the most [[OnlySaneMan stable and levelheaded]] of the ''entire cast'', and a nigh-omnipotent JerkAss wizard [[spoiler:who is actually the FutureBadass self of the local ChewToy]]. And it's all PlayedForLaughs.
** Best demonstrated [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/2009/06/11/episode-1139-if-then/ here]], with what the Light Warriors planned to do once their mission was accomplished.
* The various groups in ''CryHavoc'' are black and grey, the mercenaries kill for money with even the most moral of them shooting fallen enemies, while the deamons they battle are trying to escape their morality by slaying the mercenaries, the werewolves are also trying to survive, even if they destroy the human race in the process.
* Everyone in ''AnsemRetort'' is either completely evil, or somewhat good but has something keeping them from being completely white. Case in point: Namine, who tries to be the moral voice of authority, but is part of Zexion's administration (which has no less than five sex scandals, at least one Namine ''arranged'', and three murder scandals) and occasionally does drugs. She is also still dicking around with Sora's memory, further removing her from the moral high ground-- and ensuring that ''his'' moral high ground stays happily in [[CloudCuckooLander Cloud Cuckoo Land]], where it can't affect anyone else and is effectively neutralized. Anyone that could be considered 'white' usually ends up killed. Or, like Sora, incapacitated.
* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' is an example, albeit not a perfect one as the core conflict that's driven the story so far, Agatha vs. Klaus, is GreyAndGrayMorality. However, ''aside'' from Team Agatha, Team Klaus, and Othar, most of the factions that have gotten into the game are evil to a lesser or greater extent. And then there's [[BigBad the Other]].
* ''SuicideForHire''. ''Nobody'' in this world is nice, and those that are die horribly. So, for that matter, do the ones that aren't.
* The main gist of ''Webcomic/BrawlInTheFamily'''s [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome Ode to Minions]]. No matter how evil the villains or noble the intentions of the heroes, that doesn't change the fact that the heroes universally win by massacring the enemy army en masse- and those soldiers, while they may be working for evil, still had homes, families, and friends that they're taken away from.
* In ''CwynhildsLoom'' both Cwynhild and Ezekiel Nightingale establish early on that they are willing to do whatever is necessary to advance their causes. While Cwynhild is the protagonist, she makes no qualms about killing people who are a threat to her.
* In Webcomic/CthulhuSlippers the main characters are either well intentioned idiots, mutants or self serving sociopaths. Compared to Nyarlarthotep however they're shining examples of kindness and light.

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* In the {{Web Serial Novel}} {{Literature/Worm}}, there are the {{Villain Protagonist}}s, mostly {{Anti Villain}}s, and the {{Hero Antagonist}}s, who are often {{Jerkass}}es, {{Anti Hero}}es or even just in-universe {{Designated Hero}}es, both sides fighting against each other but all playing by unwritten rules and not killing or unmasking. It's all very grey. But then there are terrifying psycopaths like the [[TheDreaded Slaughterhouse Nine]] and [[OmnicidalManiac Giant monsters like the Endbringers,]] which everyone is willing to team up against.
* The ''Wiki/SCPFoundation'' is an organization that captures supernatural entities (terrible monsters and mere abnormal humans alike) and keeps them imprisoned, doing research on them. Also they use convicted felons (or innocents, in times of duress) to do the dangerous labours and conduct lethal experiments. The whole D-Class-Staff is killed and replaced every month or so. However, all this is just for security, to keep the unspeakable horrors they have captured inside their confinements.
* This is one of the primary themes of ''WebVideo/DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog'': The [[VillainProtagonist protagonist is the villain]], who wants to TakeOverTheWorld so he can [[WellIntentionedExtremist put an end to all of its pain and misery]]; the [[HeroAntagonist hero is the antagonist]], who uses his [[SmugSuper powers]] to [[JerkJock bully]] everyone into conforming to his notion of what a True Hero should be like; and the only truly good character [[spoiler:gets killed]].
* The point-and-click RPG ''[[VideoGame/FallenLondon Echo Bazaar]].'' Whatever path you take, you'll eventually end up housebreaking, spying for mysterious and unpleasant foreign powers, bullying families for protection money, or sending pickpockets to the gallows[[note]]And that's if you're ''nice''.[[/note]]. This is [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential hugely entertaining]].
* In WebVideo/FilthyFrank: The "good guys" have their ringleader, Frank, who has admitted to raping animals for fun, as well as Pink Guy who also advertises violence to animals. The rest of the housemates are varying shades of bad or worse. The closest thing they have to an antagonist is Lord Chin Chin, a HumanoidAbomination who takes "chromosomes" for whatever reason.
* In StrangeLittleBand the protagonists are thoroughly unpleasant people and almost seem like {{Villain Protagonist}}s. Then you meet the Antagonists, and you realize who the "heroes" are.
* In ''Roleplay/TheInsaneQuestOfUnfathomableRandomness'', it quickly becomes apparent that the members of Smoosh are not so much heroes as they are bystanders caught in the middle of a petty fight between two selfish gods. While their enemy, Segami, destroys planets, harms innocents and causes mayhem to accomplish his goals, their leader, Nintendoki...[[NotSoDifferent destroys planets, harms innocents and causes mayhem to accomplish his goals.]] The only real thing that sets Smoosh apart from their enemies is the fact that they realize when Nintendoki is telling them to do something wrong.
* In the AlternateHistory.Com timeline ''{{Literature/Reds}}!'', the UASR is presented in a more positive light than most of the other governments of the time, but it is far from perfect. Amongst its abuses include the setting up of kangaroo courts and the execution of potentially innocent civilians (though nowhere near on the scale of Stalinist Russia). Given that their primary enemies are a military junta that suspended the US Constitution and the rogue's gallery of petty fascist groups they drum up to support it domestically, and ThoseWackyNazis in foreign affairs, though...
* WebVideo/TheNostalgiaChick's trailer plays this for laughs and describes the Dark Nella Saga as a battle between evil and "slightly less evil". (Dark Nella being evil and the Chick only being slightly less.)
* ''WebVideo/{{Kickassia}}'' has a president just minding his business being overthrown by a crazy idiot who becomes a dictator - and [[WebVideo/TheNostalgiaCritic the latter]], [[VillainProtagonist who is the protagonist]], ends up fighting his comrades, who aren't much honorable themselves and try to take over when they think the Critic's died from their beating.
** Later in ''WebVideo/SuburbanKnights'', [[Website/ThatGuyWithTheGlasses the heroes]], still deep in the gray morality, face gray villains (a WellIntentionedExtremist and his friends [[PunchClockVillain who just wanted to help him]] on his mission) and the EvilLuddite the gray villains are trying to stop.
* The Curse Of Maraqua plot of ''{{Neopets}}'' has two groups of pirate armies crashing against each other. While [[ChaoticNeutral Garin]] himself is not the nicest guy in Neopia, he helps defend the new city of Maraqua against the even worse [[ChaoticEvil Captain Scarblade]].
* In ''Big Bad Wolves: Moral Event Horizon'', the protagonists are members of a group of cannibalistic werewolves who choose to feed on long dead prisoners. One of them, Michael, plans to kill an unrepentant rapist and murderer, in order to feed the group, and tries to convince the VillainProtagonist to help kill him. She declines, citing the group's rule of NeverHurtAnInnocent but he [[spoiler:kills him anyway]] in the belief that he was way worse then them.
* From the website stickdeath.com: while the green stick figures are AlwaysChaoticEvil {{Butt Monkey}}s, the blue stick figures [[AntiHero aren't exactly good guys either]].

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* While the main cast of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' seems to be mostly good, the overall Autobot/Decepticon conflict is frequently shown in this light: Ultra Magnus is OK with lying to the public if he thinks it will protect the peace, someone like [[{{Jerkass}} Sentinel Prime]] is a [[TheNeidermeyer a high ranking officer]] while [[TheHero Optimus]] is [[AlmightyJanitor a space bridge repairman]], and they won the great war by [[spoiler:creating an Autobot as a superweapon and making him deliberately unintelligent so he doesn't question his own destructive actions]].
** According to [[AllThereInTheManual The AllSpark Almanac II]], [[spoiler:they didn't create just ''one'' Autobot-as-a-superweapon. ''[[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Omega_Sentinel_%28Animated%29 They created a whole series of them]]'', with only ''two'' surviving (one in the loosest definintion of the word)]].
** More prevalent in the third season, where [[spoiler:''Prime considers sending a near-death Sari into battle against said superweapon,'']] among other things.
** The main five aren't free from it. In "Where Is Thy Sting?", the innocent, emotionally traumatized Wasp is pursued very aggressively by Bulkhead, who also accuses him of never being a good robot, when he's HOLDING HIS BEST FRIEND HOSTAGE. Yeah Bulkhead, that's real good hostage negotiations. Also, he starts to beat up the unconscious and helpless Bumblebee (thinking he's Wasp) right at the end.
** And in a comic that comes free with the toy Jetfire/Jetstorm, Ultra Magnus is fine with running experiments on 'expendable' Autobots in order to create a flying Autobot. He says, "Find me somebody expendable." Admittedly, in this case "expendable" seems to have been "twins who were caught in an explosion and would have died anyway."
** Meanwhile the Decepticons are more than happy to manipulate potential allies and scrap them when they finish serving their purpose, and field test [=WMDs=] in populated civilian territories out of petty revenge.
* The second and third seasons of ''[[WesternAnimation/TotalDramaIsland Total Drama]]'' have become this.
* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', so. Freaking much.
** One of the reasons why [[KidsAreCruel Stan, Kyle and Kenny]] are the good boys, is because the enemies and/or antagonists are much worse.
* The ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' episode "Vicktor, The Spoils" invokes this. The nation of Zarkovia is beset by rebels. The prince, disgusted by his father's lack of force against the rebels, uses the braindead body of Dr. Vicktor to attack Ben's team and imprison his father. The king escapes, and uses Ampfibian's powers to transfer his mind into Dr. Vicktor's body. He then reveals that he was biding his time, waiting for the perfect moment to crush the rebels. Ben and co. defeat and immobilize King Vicktor, and the prince demands they hand him over. Gwen points out the prince's mind-controlled soldiers, asking "If the prince is a bad guy, who are we here to help?" Kevin suggests the rebels, but Gwen replies "Who's to say they're better then anybody else?" In the end, Ben destroys the prince's mind-control device, allowing the soldiers to choose their own sides, and the group decide not to interfere, and simply let the conflict run its course.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''. Probably the best television example ever, animated or otherwise.
** On on hand, you have:
*** An unbridled tyrant (Mr. Burns)
*** Violent criminals (Snake, Fat Tony's gang, Sideshow Bob)
*** Greedy, amoral, corrupt scumbags (Mayor Quimby, Krusty, Troy [=McClure=])
*** Smarmy self-important worthless parasites (Kent Brockman, Chief Wiggum, Lionel Hutz, Reverend Lovejoy)
*** Nihilist punks (Dolph, Jimbo, & Kearney, Patti & Selma)
*** Soul-sucking obstructionist nags (Helen Lovejoy, Agnes Skinner, Jackie Bouvier)
** And on the other hand, you have:
*** Smart, good-hearted idealists who have a laundry list of bizarre psychological and emotional issues and are prone to horrendous breakdowns (Lisa, Marge, Dr. Hibbert)
*** Benign nice guys too weak, gullible, restrained, and/or petty to ever do any lasting good (Ned, Principal Skinner, Milhouse, Lou, Mona Simpson)
*** Ordinary schmoes who are harmless most of the time but have the occasional bout of astounding jerkiness (Smithers, Carl, Eddie)
*** World-weary drones beaten down by years of misery and resigned to their dismal fate (Apu, Edna, Sideshow Mel, Ms. Hoover)
*** Bitter cynics (Arnie Pie, Comic Book Guy, Abraham)
*** Eternal Jekyll-and-Hyde flipfloppers (Homer, Bart, Nelson, Moe, Barney)
*** Has-beens struggling to find a purpose in life (Ranier Wolfcastle, Drederick Tatum)
*** Punching bags (Gil, Hans Moleman, Martin)
*** Clueless dopes (Lenny, Cletus, Brandine, Ralph, pimply-faced teenager)
*** Assorted weirdos, crackpots, and lunatics (Otto, Superintendent Chalmers, Dr. Nick, Professor Frink, Groundskeeper Willie, Crazy Cat Lady, Jasper, Cookie Kwan)
** The only unambiguously good person is Maggie. [[NotAllowedToGrowUp And she's still quite young.]] She did shoot a number of mobsters though.
* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' goes perfectly with this trope, especially after the movie.
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}''.
** On the one hand, we have:
*** Power-mad tyrants (Mom, Nixon, Lrrr)
*** Violent criminals (Roberto, the Robot Mafia, Santa)
*** Amoral, corrupt scumbags (Leo Wong, Zapp Brannigan)
** and on the other side:
*** Fry, whose heart is in the right place but whose lack of intelligence often screws things up for everybody,
*** Leela, who is usually on the right side of the conflict but is often short-tempered, violent and egotistical,
*** Bender and Farnsworth, whose levels of morality and personalities are whatever the plot requires,
*** Zoidberg, who exists mostly to be a punching bag,
*** And Hermes, who does exactly what he's paid to do and nothing more, often regardless of personal ethics.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents''. Sure the good guys are often {{Jerkass}}es who make other's lives a living hell, but the villains are outright {{Card Carrying Villain}}s out to take over the world.
* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''. Yes, of course, the series sometimes even addressed in territories of EvilVersusEvil.
* ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZim''. Dib has been needlessly cruel to Zim and seems to look down on most other humans.
** That said, Zim isn't good at all, due to trying to conquer the world, despite being so terrible at it that he can't do a thing on his own. Dib looking down on other humans is justified, considering how all humans but Dib and his father tend to be either stupid, jerkasses, straight up evil, or a combination of the three.

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