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Adam850: This is minor, but when discussing things Ranma did, what pronoun do you use? "In the Ranma 1/2 manga and one of the OV As, there is a form of martial arts called the Martial Arts Tea Ceremony, conducted entirely from seiza. Ranma requires a ribbon tied around her ankles to stay that way for the entire fight." There the character was a girl. An odd form of Pronoun Trouble. So does one refer to what they physically are, or what they normally are?
Sikon: Use artificial gender-neutral pronouns. That, or "they". ^_^
Looney Toons: This is a problem which has faced Ranma Fan Fic authors for over 15 years. Most simply use the appropriate pronoun for the body he's using and trust to reader familiarity and context clues to handle any confusion; some try more idiosyncratic uses, which more often than not (in my opinion) end causing more confusion. In Japanese it's not usually an issue, as a lot of pronouns are gender-neutral. In the English dub, oddly enough, it rarely comes up, but IIRC — which I may not — it depends on the character doing the talking. Genma and Akane seem to always call Ranma "he"; Kasumi uses the appropriate pronoun for the current body, as does Nabiki, but Nabiki's snarkier about it. I can't recall off the top of my head how the others are written.
Cassius335: So what was The Sudden Kiss turned into, if anything? Adam850: Sounds like Slap Slap Kiss, but I'm not sure. Adam850: Copied old discussion. Kawa: Bridget Drop line was actually "It's fine by me if he stays a girl" according to my scans. Looney Toons: St Fan, I just saw your recent "Standardization" changes. Can you point me at the page or discussion where these standards were established, so I can adhere to them when writing future pages? Nate The Great: Could someone folderize the It Just Bugs Me? It's starting to get a little unweildy. Perhaps folders for Curses/Transformations, Martial Arts, Characterizations, etc. Do we really need the Moral Event Horizon trope here? Or, for that matter, the few Complete Monster potholes here and there? These are silly characters in a comedy series; the worst they do is indulge in Comedic Sociopathy. Moral Event Horizon means that the character is irredeemable, beyond forgiveness in the audience's eyes; as for Complete Monster, are we really comparing immature, selfish teenagers with the likes of Johan? Alternative Character Interpretation is all well and good, but seeing (and seeking) psychological darkness in a lighthearted comedy with martial arts * and romantic entanglements would put everyone's actions under this light. And since there are literally hundreds of examples where everyone does something that in real life would be morally reprehensible and abhorrent, nobody in the series (except Kasumi) would come out unscathed. Whoever added Cerebus Fandom hit the nail on the head. whisp: @antvasima: Your Mileage May Vary and Alternative Character Interpretation aren't "manipulative," they allow for different opinions and let fans express separate views on the same events (on the other hand, spreading misinformation about "Triad sex-slaves" (factually wrong) and "pleasure girls" (mistranslation) is manipulative because it misrepresents the series to readers who aren't familiar with it.) In any case, you're blowing the event out of proportion. It's a two-panel joke that is over and forgotten by the next panel, it has no consequences for anyone (well, except Kinnosuke, because he's the one who was stuck with the casino bill at the end,) the characters never dwell on it, the author handles it as a quick gag, and even the narrative gives it less importance than any of the other stuff in the same story arc. Akane was horrified, yes, but at the casino bill, not at Ranma being sold off, and her horror lasted for all of one panel. Ranma himself was more exasperated than anything. Going by the trope description, Moral Event Horizon is meant for events with severe repercussions for the character crossing it, the character's victims, and the plot as a whole. You're defining an entire character using a throwaway joke, buried in two panels of the tenth chapter of the 29th volume of a 38-volume series, even though the joke had no such repercussions . |
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