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ATTENTION ALL TROPERS AND TTGL FANS: I am studying abroad in Japan, and Have just seen the SECOND FILM. SHOULD I edit tropes with what I have seen, hidden under spoiler covers, or leave things alone until more english speakers see it? Please advise.
Anon: I've been gorging myself on second movie spoilers, and an actual account in English rather than translations of Japanese blogs would be quite welcome...
Comartemis: Hey! Who deleted my Completely Missing the Point entry? Anonymous: Why is Too Cool To Live not on this page? That's the first thing I thought when it happened. Sean Tucker: Uh... should this really be marked as Ecchi? There isn't that much Fanservice aside from Yoko being, er... bouncy. Irothtin: Can we please just decide to either use the Offical Translations or the Fandom Translations, instead of various people continuously swapping them out? Sean Tucker: Considering Gurren Lagann is a redirect to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and not the other way around, I would imagine we're sticking to the fandom translations. Not to mention, Sean Tucker: Which translation has the "Beyond The Impossible" version of Kamina's catchphrase? Sean Tucker: Nuked this under Replacement Scrappy, because it sounds like utter bullshit.
Seventh: I think Nia fits the Naive Everygirl trope almost perfectly... she is pure-hearted, naive and with a strong-will. Ack Sed: Okay,so Nia's a princess,but what kind? There's a large proportion of Yamato Nadeshiko in there,some from the Jungle Princess type (quite literally 'raised by beasts') and some of Mad Scientists Beautiful Daughter. Peg...will...not...fit... ;-) Fencedude: Nia is a very interesting case isn't she? It'll be quite enlightening to see where she goes. Thus far she's done a really good job of avoiding being pigeonholed into a single trope. Unlike much of the rest of the cast... Ack Sed: There is a phrase for her after all - Hakoiri Musume. Trust the Japanese to get there first. From Anime on my Mind(http://anime.miao.us/archives/2007/06/11/1101/#comment-151699):  "Hakoiri Musume directly translates to “Girl in a Box” which is a Japanese phrase for “Innocent, Naive Girl who knows nothing much outside her home”."
Fencedude: Yes, but she is still very different from the normale Girl In A Box trope. Which, by the way, we need a trope for.
Gloating Swine: Presumably, she's the kind of Princess that everything is better with. Does she need any further categorisation?
pokemaniacbill: I'm tempted to add this to the page, but to people saying it doesn't count. My friend coined Beamspam with a new name... Waldo.
Cronocke: Why isn't Grand Finale on this page? Seriously, this show practically redefines the concept of a Grand Finale.
Mel: Despite the gag image, Tengen-Toppa Gurren-Lagann is not "multi-million-light-years"-sized. It's approximately a third the size of Jupiter, a rough estimation given how Chouginga Gurren-Lagann, approximately the size of the Moon, comes out of it's chest mouth. The larger-than-a-freaking-galaxy-effect is created by the "Super Spiral Space" created by the Anti-Spiral and Gran Zeboma, his "unit".
Unknown Troper: This troper respectfully disagrees, on grounds that the implications of this are considerably less awesome than what is shown on-screen. It instead proposes that your theory is incorrect on the basis of 'not awesome enough' and that what is shown is right: The whole freaking thing got extremely enlarged by condensed Awesome. Feel free to bring your theory up in the show's WMG page, however.
Jstone: I disagree with the above troper, and agree with Mel. There are some serious problems with scale in this scene. Look at the size of Gran Zeboma's hand as it reaches for the earth: The Zeboma cannot be the size of a galaxy. I'd make a comment about the speed of light, and implications that would have on the galaxy-throwing, but I don't want to commit a catgirl genocide.
Gearov: I would like to further disagree with the above troper, and agree with Unknown Troper. Seriously, that answer is not awesome enough. Also, ScifiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale extends, quite handily, to Mecha Writers.
Gloating Swine: The finale takes place in some kind of dimension where everyone's a reality warper. Hence the reappearance of Lordgenome (he explains it in the episode). Everything there is exactly as big as it is imagined to be, and the laws of physics are mocked even more than usual. Trying to scale any of it visually is going to give you a headache.
There's a minor occurrence of One Hundred And Eight in episode 24 — Right after Gimmy's shot down the 108th enemy unit, the Anti-Spirals start to slaughter everyone. Should we add this?
Document N: Maybe, but I'm too lazy. Back on topic, I don't know where the figure of 40 billion light years comes from. The Other Wiki says that background material says 10 million, but I'd rather use on-screen evidence - its height is only 1/10 the diameter of the galaxy it's first seen rising out of, and the largest known galaxy is about 6,000,000 ly (if it's a spiral galaxy, the largest of those is 650,000), so the TTGL should be about 600,000 at maximum. If it's the Milky Way (which it might be, given how Lordgenome talks about the Anti-Spirals' rise in detail), then it's 10,000.
Action Zero: In response to the mentions of CGGL flying out of TTGL's mouth showing that it can't be that big. It is flying out pretty damn fast and there is no possible way to tell precisely how far away from the mouth it has gotten when we first see it because we didn't actually see when it flies out. The exact same thing applies to Grand Zamboa reaching for earth, we never see how close it gets to actually reaching the earth so there is no possible way to judge the scale using that. You need to know distance in addition to what size it appears to be if you want to work out actual size.
Caphi: Does this page really need all the caps, bold and italics? I realize Gurren-Lagann is a pretty cool show, but this is just obnoxious. Later: All right, I tried to clean it up without removing any necessary emphasis. Please don't make this difficult to read again. If the Gao Gai Gar page doesn't talk like Taiga, this one definitely doesn't need to talk like Kamina. Rebber: Decided to jump in feet first: The Beastman mecha piolt in the third episode? Is that an expy of Dilandau from Escaflowne? They look alike, they act alike, they sound alike, they get cut in face alike. If it turns into Yoko's little sister, I'm going to be either very grumpy or laughing my ass off at Gainix's chutzpah. Charred Knight: Viral? His personality is completely different from Dilandu, so no. Sean Tucker: I added Macekre to the list of tropes, since there legitimately is a massive amount of hatred for the dub on ImageBoards and other anime forums due to several lines that suffered Memetic Mutation being changed. While the example may be a bit biased, I think you can add the trope itself back in. Charred Knight: That's They Changed It Now It Sucks, Macekre is for Dubs that where badly dubbed, and butchured. An example is 4Kids dub of One Piece where they removed several episodes, and replaced all the guns with what appears to be Water guns. Also a gun was replaced with what appears to be something from the Flinstones. Gurren Lagann has an excellent dub, Hebert in particular was awesome as Kamina in Episode 6. I don't think any of the major characters have a bad dub voice. Arivne: there's no point in spoilering the entire Generation Xerox entry, because there's no way anyone looking at it could know whether to read it or not! I'm unspoilering the trope name. What rivals are there for "largest thing in all of fiction"? Things that come to mind for me are Bolder's Ring ("several million light years in diameter" according to Wikipedia), Yog-Sothoth ("coterminous with all time and space"), and the blob in Tasty Planet that gets big enough to eat galaxies. There's also stories where the entire galaxy or universe is a mundane-scale object in a surrounding super-universe (the Jatravartids' creation story, the Earthworm Jim cartoon, the first Men in Black movie, Final Crisis), and Futurama where everything is infinitely large thanks to recursion, but those seem like cheating, even though the Library of Babel beats all but Futurama . —Document N
Getter Emperor was apparently stated by Word Of God to constantly grow until it will eventually be the size of the universe, now idea on a source for this. - Action Zero
Azrael from Discworld also beats out the TTGL by quite a bit. As a reference, the TTGL is roughly the size of one of his pupils.
As far as mecha go TTGL is probably a close third place, looking about as large as the Getter Emperor's face as of the Getter Robo Anthology and infinitesimally smaller than Elder God Demonbane, which far outgrew the universe and had to move into non-Euclidean space.
Scud East: I think "thing" here was meant as an Unusual Euphemism, If You Know What I Mean.
On the subject of the page quotes, weren't there originally two rather than three? I liked it better with just "Don't believe in yourself" and "This is a story..."; they set a nice mythic and distant tone counterpointing the inevitable manicness of the rest of the page. —Document N Wizard Joni: Ok, there's a problem that needs to be adressed. Names. Do we go with the English translation or the original Japanese names? I suggest we keep the originals. This is because they are A) The original names have the Japanese wordplays imbedded in them. B) Basically the only language that could turn "ganmen" into "gunmen" is English. I speak natively Finnish and Swedish, I speak fluent English, I speak some Japanese and German and I even know a bit of Arabic, French, Russian and Spanish. And I can tell you with great certainty that they would all keep the original form of "Ganmen". Even in English Ganmen works. Charred Knight: English. Why? because this is an english website, if it was Japanese we would use original, if it was german we would use the german version, if it Finnish we would use the Finland names, if it was Swedish we would use swedland names. Also while Ganman works, its also not a pun in English, Gunmen is a pun in English. Jonn: Isn't mentioning the very existence of the Anti-Spirals a spoiler? We're not even supposed to suspect anything about them until Lordgenome's final speech. The name "Anti-Spirals" obviously means there's some sort of force opposed to Spiral Power. —- I'm guessing that "Compare Gao Gai Gar" is there because they were both trying to be summaries/throwbacks of the Super Robot genre, but wouldn't Getter Robo make more sense than G Gundam? We already know that Getter is by far GL's biggest influence, and the number of similarities between the two series are immense. そのストーリーは、石川賢のゲッターロボに捧げるオマージュとのことで The story is a dedicated homage to Ken Ishikawa's Getter Robo. ＴＶ版の最後のスケールはとてつもない物でした。 By the end of the TV series, the series' scale had become absurd. どんどん巨大化するロボットはまんまゲッターロボですし、 Steadily the robot became bigger and bigger, much like Getter Robo. 敵の姿は「虚無戦記」のラ・グースを髣髴とさせます。 The final enemy bore a striking resemblance to La Gooth of "Records of Nothingness" (By Ishikawa). source: http://isiya.hamazo.tv/e1581434.html
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