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ladyfan: 'Two' is the name of a character... Please don't try to fix the capitalization!
Small Name Big Ego really doesn't apply here, the author doesn't say "I am right defy me (ie disagree) at your peril" all that she does is make it clear that she is writing her way for a reason (as in a recent Comments section argument) and may not write in the same style as others or as commenters expect. likewise the responses from readers tend not to fit into the Lickspittle category Alexandra Erin: Yeah, who put that on there, anyway? :P Odjn: Made this its own section since it's seemed to have had more added to it and perhaps deserves discussion. Also, copypastaing the stuff from the actual Small Name Big Ego article. Nobodymuch: I'm not sure "Magical Computer" applies. While they have a literally magical computer, it doesn't do anything real computers don't do so far as I've seen. The Magical Computer trope is for depictions of mundane computers that do very non-mundane (not to mention impossible) things, right? Zaranthan: I've included what happened to Mackenzie's mother as an instance of the Noodle Incident, but rereading that article seems to imply that it's supposed to be a joke. Is there a separate trope for when such a thing is considered tragic and/or serious? Lull The Conqueror: Regarding the Noodle Incident - I think this is specifically for an event that's referred to at least semi-frequently, but never described in any detail, not just something that everyone on the forums (or everyone reading the story in general) is wondering about. If memory serves, while Mack's mother is referenced several times, I'm not sure if what happened to her is specifically mentioned more than once. Maybe not even once. Zaranthan: It's explicitly stated (by Mack herself) in Chapter 177 that SOMETHING happened to her, and she directly says she "doesn't want to talk about it." It's been implied to the brink of certainty before then. Everything fits, except that it's not a joke. The Uncredible Hallq: 177 also says Mackenzie doesn't know what happened. I think Noodle Incident is for when the characters could say but don't, ergo it doesn't fit. Mekhet: OK wow somebody is a disgruntled all right. Some of the stuff being added to the article is subjective tropes but some of it's just not true. I won't get into an edit war over it but I'm pulling the examples that just seem like they're thrown in as a grudge. The religious group on campus is the Khampus Khrusade for Khersis, like the real life Campus Crusade for Christ, and they've never actually been shown doing anything wrong, or put in a bad light by the narrator. And while AE admits she has an ego she doesn't shout down criticism of the characters and I don't think telling people "If you don't like the story, maybe you should read something else." is a sign of egoism. Rann: I won't get into an edit war Good then. Also, thanks for correcting the name of the religious group that the author gave the same abbreviation to that's used by a hate group to, I've corrected it now that it's back in. Mekhet: How is it anvilicious? If they were a hate group it would be, but they're not going around lynching people. They're not even antagonists. She took the name of a real life campus religious group and changed the acronym to keep the Added Alliterative Appeal. They're never referred to as the KKK in the story and in the made-up language Kh isn't even the same letter as K. Dude. I guess from your Wall Banger description you didn't like the latest chapter but that's no reason to dig up a bit of background flavor from chapter one and twist it into some overblown critisim. The site terms for the comment section even point out that Christians read the story and the "respect" rules apply to them, too. Wow. She really has an ax to grind there doesn't she? I said I'm not going to get in an edit war and I won't, but seriously, talk about Complaining About Shows You Dont Like. Alexandra Erin: Thanks for the urge to defend me, but I don't actually need it... as I said to Rann on the forum (and this seems to be what pissed him off, somehow), not everybody needs to think the story is good. There's about four or five name'd tropers I know of who seem to enjoy MU so it's not like he's going to totally tar my reputation here, and even if that weren't the case... a wiki article isn't exactly the best advertisement, even if it was entirely a fluff piece. More people probably come to this particular page from Tales of MU than the other way around. They don't need to be sold. Anyway, Rann's right: I do say that if somebody doesn't like the story, they probably shouldn't read it. If he chooses to have a bit of a flounce while he's at it... lolinternet, amirite? Rann: Actually, I'm mostly annoyed that a story I enjoyed earlier really sucks now. But hey, way to prove that ego! Mekhet: I'm still taking out the "Acceptable Religious Targets" entry because it's just not accurate. "AKA" means "also known as". The Khampus Khrusade has not ever been referred to as "KKK" in the story nor would it be because of the Translation Convention. Considering the story is about half Fantastic Racism and half Fetish Fuel I'm pretty sure it would be more obvious if the Khrusaders were supposed to be Klansmen. Rann: The Khampus Khrusade has not ever been referred to as "KKK" in the story You are incorrect. Mackenzie at one point notes, quite specifically, a "KKK logo" on a student's door. Sooo, put back in! Mekhet: You are incorrect. Not to go all nerdcore on your ass, but you're thinking of the guy across the hall from Ian's door. It is specifically referred to in the story as Kh Kh Kh, because the letter in "Khersis" is not the same as K. But you already know that as you were obviously a diehard MU reader until a short time ago. There's a search box in the sidebar of the site which only searches the story without looking at comments or any thing else. Do a search for KKK. No matches found. The Khampus Khrusade for Khersis is not also known as the KKK. Stop putting that in. ETA: Before I checked the discussion page, I changed the entry to explain the confusion/debate but after reading your latest here I have to say you're just being petty and vindictive and I took it out entirely again. Twenty seconds on the site would show you that it's never been called the KKK and you know for yourself already that they've never done anything racist or been shown to be a hate group or anything except be in the background. I'm seriously not going to edit any more but at this point the discussion is here on the page. If you choose to put the reference back in with the evidence here for anybody to read and knowing that anybody could spend two seconds clicking this http://talesofmu.nfshost.com/story/?s=KKK  and see that there are no chapters containing KKK than you are pretty much admitting that you're just being vindictive about a story you used to like and don't any more.
Rann: Well, I dunno, I might be too busy watching you not have an edit war.
Stormcaller3801: Rann, drop it. The only place KKK has been used is by readers. I also dispute the Wall Banger entry, as the guy who said it, because of the circumstances. I said I'd throw the book across the room because the whole thing was diving into material that made me uncomfortable- not, as that trope appears to imply, that there was something so stupid or inconsistent as to make me want to do it.
Garbonzo42: Isn't the Kh symbol pronounced 'kee'? So Kh Kh Kh= keekeekee? Zerg rush?
Stormcaller3801: I question the Author Appeal, or at least suggest that it's been subverted: the entry for Author Appeal suggests that these things are added to the story in a nonsexual context- that's very much not true. There's also been several fetishes that Mackenzie has encountered that have not appealed to her in the slightest: automobile-equivalents, infantilism, and beastiality. No word on how the Author feels about them, but it's been made clear that at the very least infantilism is something the main character would rather forget exists. Odjn: Author Appeal doesn't necessarily include all fetishes, merely that some are shown in a positive manner that the author happens to share. If Erin enjoyed infantilism then it'd be a point against it. The Uncredible Hallq: Deleted:
Alexandra Erin: Wow... been a long time since I had time to look at this page. :P Wish I could say I was surprised at what Rann's pulled. I In addition to the patently untrue claim that I ever told somebody to get off my back if they criticize Mackenzie (I've said again and again, somebody will like her and some people will hate her, and I don't care which anybody does. I have suggested that people who don't like the story not read it, but... well... that's kind of a "duh" thing.), he's also now claimed that "People who add unflattering tropes to this page get banned from the forum?" Uh, no. A single person—-surprisingly, Rann himself —-got banned from the forum for his conduct on the forum, and then went on to add "unflattering" tropes. Arguably, there were already some examples of such tropes on the page. Incidentally, he's the only person who's been banned, apart from a 14 year old who was banned for obvious reasons and various spam bots before I enabled moderation. I don't ban people for disagreeing with me, or for criticizing my work, or for not liking the characters. A few minutes spent looking at the comments on the site will reveal the ridiculousness of that idea. :) I know this isn't Wikipedia, but I'm still not going to touch this article myself and I've asked my IRL friends to do the same. Still, there's the truth for the 1.2 people who are statistically likely to care. I could not care less that I'm labeled a "Small Name Big Ego", because... as my comment near the top of this page suggests... I added that label to the page myself. Why not? I'm aware of my faults and I try to have fun with them. And my "JDR fangirling" which I'm pretty sure has also been referenced somewhere on this wiki... she submitted an entry to my somewhat slumberous webfiction portal site, and I was excited that somebody who has a bigger audience than mine was aware of my project. I recognized that she's a bigger name than I am. That's it. That's the extent of my fangirling. Oh, I did stay up all night one time reading Unicorn Jelly, which is how I knew who she was. It was good... but I can't get into the rest of her stuff. Whoo, look at me, the crazy JDR fangirl. As for whether or not MU constitutes "Author Appeal"... take a look at my contributor page. It's a bit of self-deprecating hyperbole, obviously, but yeah, it's there. Odjn: I'm not sure about your thoughts about it exactly but if I ran anything and JDR showed up and approved of anything I did I'd seriously reconsider my approach at the least. Getting positive attention from JDR is like having Ken Lay wander in and tell you he really likes your economic models. Rann: Also, by the way... she's lying about a few of those things. The "get off my back" is a direct quote, and I left the forums voluntarily. Exactly when she chose to ban me afterwards, I have no clue, as I only tried to look back in when I noticed people complaining here about "More Tales of MU", but, yeah... outright lyin', there. Odjn: Rann, I'm not sure if that's targeted at me (in which I could care less if it was) or for the general reader, or for everyone, in which case we'd benefit from it being less drama-ey. Bobfrank: Well, so much for "I don't ban people for disagreeing with me." When I stated that racism is no longer a major societal problem in the United States the way it used to be, and pointed to the fact that we just elected a black President in a landslide victory as evidence of society's improved attitude these days, she twisted what I said into "because one black person made it big, this proves that there is no such thing as racism anymore," declared that that was "just so stupid that it hurts me to look at it," and banned me immediately. No warnings, no chance to explain the misunderstanding, nothing. Just say the wrong thing, and bam, you're gone. Lull The Conqueror: Cut this:
Jayngfet: Reading this, archive binging in my spare time and I'm wondering if it's okay to add Wall Banger to the list. I can't be the only one who thinks that any sane who's discovered that you're associates kill and eat (which is different from the protagonist due to enjoyment and lack of need)would immediately tell someone. This isn't factoring in that they plan on doing it again as soon as possible and the attempt at eating someone alive. Or at least the people who spend lots of time in close proximity. Willbyr: Maliko and Suzi as Sooni's Battle Butlers - yea or nay? Semiapies: Don't buy it, entirely. Willbyr: I'm not entirely sure that the trope applies, but I can't think of another trope that works...if someone's got a better idea, change it. Semiapies: Borderline; I say leave it. Semiapies: Would be possible to set up an entry on Alexandra Erin that would be separate from her contributor page, I wonder? Might be nice to give the people who want to ramble on about a mean "far-left" writer who apparently killed their parents or something, perhaps using scare-quoted "tolerance". Rann: Strawmen. Not just for trope examples anymore! Semiapies: Strawmen? I'm quoting the editor(s) in question. This isn't a political point, it's a simple matter of one or more asshats who whine about "far-leftism" and treat "tolerance" as some sort of evil code-word. Let's give them and others somewhere to wank about how they don't like the author that doesn't cause them to vandalize a perfectly useful describe-the-work entry. Semiapies: It might be going overboard to spoiler-out the entire description of that last antagonist. He's more or less a Chekhov MIA by the very nature of Mack's character. Semiapies: Hey, nice reformatting of the examples on 24/Aug/09, Willbyr. Willbyr: Thanks! Magus: I keep finding this under So Bad Its Horrible:
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