Suspiciously Similar Substitute Discussion - Television Tropes & Idioms

Korval: Removing this:

A somewhat reverse substitute happened on Star Trek Voyager when Seven of Nine replaced Kes. Kes was a nearly forgotten member of the original cast who was replaced by Seven, who became almost a Mary Sue.
- Tom Paris himself is sort of a preemptive substitute for Nick Locarno, the hotshot cadet from TNG's "The First Duty". Although the same actor, Robert Duncan McNeill, plays both characters, the creators changed the name to "Tom Paris" almost at the last minute. The reason has varied between the producers not wanting to pay a royalty for each and every Voyager episode, or the writers feeling that Locarno's character was too irredeemable to work as a protagonist.
  - IIRC the original treatment for Voyager would have included Locarno and Ro Laren (as the starfleet turned Maquis engineer) as well as a few other 'interesting' fringe TNG characters. As stated, having Locarno appear in every episode would have required royalties to the creator of the character.

Seven of Nine had a very different purpose on the show than Kes. They didn't work in the same field or behave in anything close to similar ways. Kes was very empathetic (Troi without some of the stupid) and Seven could not care less about others. Kes mainly worked in sickbay, while Seven was more around engineering and fixing stuff.

Working Title: rename Jonas Quinn: From YKTTW

Bein Sane: There. It's moved. Can we stop fighting over what color to paint the bike shed

now?

ninjacrat: Thank christ.

"Bein" will suffice.

John A Dreams: wtf? There was no consensus for the rename.

Black Humor: Right. Moving it back.

ninjacrat: Good grief. Never before have so few so firmly hitched their egos to an injoke.

Bein Sane: We weren't going to get consensus in either direction, and the issue keeps bubbling up every few months. Frankly I don't care what we name the thing so long as we don't keep filling YKTTW with pointless bickering.

alliterator: Okay, what's the point of having a crowner if it's just going to be ignored? If you don't like the outcome, that's fine. If you ignore the outcome, that's stupid.

Black Humor: Wait, why was this moved back? The rename crowner's at +5 out of about 100 votes (and closed), which is nowhere near consensus to rename. And also, there was no topic about this, and from the history Janitor moved this over only two days ago.

(Edit to above): Also, I'm moving this back if nobody answers after, say, three days. (It's July 21st here for reference)

Sean Tucker: It's official, Janitor is a Wiki Vandal.

Quote: Utterly averted in Kindred: The Embraced, a show loosely based on White Wolf's old Vampire: The Masquerade setting. The main character's actor died in an accident shortly after the first season, but, rather than writing in a new lead, the show was cancelled.

ACTUALLY (*g*) the show was canceled before Mark Frankel died. There was some hope that it would be picked up by another network (I heard Showtime, actually, which would have been interesting) but Mark Frankel's death put paid to that plan. Anyone object if I edit that line?

The Runner is interchangeable with Quicksilver and Triathlon
- No, he's not. In fact, those three characters are nothing alike, & when was the Runner even in the Avengers?

Natter. The second commenter is correct — aside from being able to achieve the same result by different methods they have nothing in common (by that standard Dirty Harry is the same character as Adrian Monk), and there was no replacement going on — but the item should have been removed, not commented on.

Raekuul: Putting this here since I'm not sure if it's natter or not. It's in reference to the last part of the Job thing, with the whole thing about making more kids.

That's probably why a common misconception is that he also lost his wife. While on that note, it's not made clear, but implied that Job's wife was barren at that point - so no more just making more kids without some sort of violation of the statutes of the time...

Itsmeyouidiot: So why was the image removed exactly?

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