Servbot: Removed
Death Note.
Death Note is
Shounen. It's even published in Shounen Jump.
Deusex Biotica: Highly debatable. How many 13-year-olds do you know who like
Death Note?
Koveras: I removed Eva because I believe it is also shounen:
The Other Wiki says so and its manga adaptation was published in Shounen Ace.
Uknown Troper: I'd disagree, because I've
seen it (and also because
AniDB
lists it as seinen). Comparing
Evangelion, the original anime, to say
Bleach,
Dragonball and
Naruto... Errr, no. It just doesn't click to me as fitting into the same demographic. Besides, shonen ace has also published manga from
Blood Plus,
Samurai Champloo and
Lucky Star, none of which I'd classify as shonen either.
secretbison: I'm tempted to remove
Trigun and
Berserk. They may be
Darker And Edgier than some shounen stuff, but they're still pretty juvenile. They're certainly shounen-ier than Eva. I mean, you wouldn't call
Fist Of The North Star seinen, would you?
- Also, it's pretty creepy to realize that Azumanga Daioh is intended for older men. I totally agree with keeping it on this list, but still...
Robert Bingham:
Trigun may not be what I'd call seinen (least, not at the start anyway, as I noted below), but
Berserk definitely qualifies. The fighting gets a lot more violent than a lot of shounen, and it's got a lot of horror elements and absolute
Rape The Dog nastiness on the part of the bad guys, especially toward the end. Definitely not for the kids.
LO Rd:
Shakugan No Shana and
Zero No Tsukaima are
Seinen? Under what definition? I found both shows merely
Shonen +
Unwanted Harem /
Love Triangle. Does that really qualify?
- Mawootad: Zero No Tsukaima is very Seinen, it's got extraordinary amounts of fanservice (a sizeable portion of which is Lolicon, given the fact that Louise looks like a 10 year old), is very light on actual fighting, & has a romance which is much more serious than the typical shounen romance. I have a much harder time explaining Shakugan No Shana, but can assure you that it is Seinen.
That Other 1 Dude: Going by publisher:
- The Trigun manga went from a Shonen magazine (Shonen Captain) to a Seinen (Young King Ours) after three volumes.
- Azumanga Daioh is up in the air. (It's serialized in Dengeki Daioh, which published Ninin Ga Shinobuden, Tsukihime, Kanon, Boogie Pop Phantom). Yet the page says Shonen... I'm confused.
- Berserk is definitely Seinen, as it's published in Young Animal (which is the same place that published Futari Ecchi which is about the sex life of some newlyweds).
I think Seinen is suppose to be mean, young man/teenage male so 18-40 probably isn't accurate.
James Moar: I'm sure I've seen Dengeki Daioh listed as seinen before. I wonder if it's just that the dividing line is a bit arbitrary.
I'm also tempted to take the reference to horror manga as being generally seinen out — a fair proportion of the genre is shoujo or josei (with more dedicated horror magazines in that category).
- Anyway, we could use more Japanese people round here to tell us what's what, couldn't we?
- you know something's not quite right when Berserk and Welcome To The NHK are purporting to be the same genre, unless I've missed something...
Ninjacrat: SEINEN IS DEMOGRAPHIC CATEGORY NOT GENRE AAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
That Other 1 Dude: Use your inside font, or you just sound crazy.
binaroid: Does anyone think that this needs to be split? I think there needs to be a division seinen and the more
serious, alternative Gekiga series like
Lone Wolf And Cub,
Sanctuary, and
Golgo 13.
Secretbison: I think the source of most of the argument going on here is over the distinction between content that's "for mature audiences" and content that's
actually for mature audiences. Berserk definitely isn't for children, but it's for adults with childish tastes, or young people who
want too hard to be adult but don't quite know what that means yet. The same sort of brutal-but-childish stories showed up a lot during the
Dark Age of American comics.
Is Seinen just an industry term for comics that a certain age group is expected to buy? If it is, then I guess it includes
both bloody-but-kind-of-juvenile stuff like Berserk and stuff that has no offensive material at all but is still made for older readers.
That Other 1 Dude: There's no way we're classifying this by vague definitioin of "mature" and "childish".
That Other 1 Dude:
Suzumiya Haruhi is definitely not Seinen. The manga is in Shonen Ace, and it's content is TV-PG at worst. Also, why is
Air Master listed as both Shonen and Seinen?
Gloating Swine: However, Light Novels are typically aimed at an older audience, and the light novels originally serialised in The Sneaker, a Seinen magazine.
Thnikkafan: Er...
Haruhi groping Mikuru? The rather bloody battle between
Yuki and Ryoko? The
mass of references for geniuses (at least in the novels)? I'm thinking it either goes under
seinen or it just sorta
doesn't fit.
Sparkysharps: "maturity" of content =/= target demographic. It never has been, and it never will.
Lizard Bite: So, would Code Geass be considered a shonen or seinen show?
That Other 1 Dude: Definitely seinen. It gets
really violent sometimes.
Deus Ex Biotica: cutting
Ah My Goddess with extreme prejudice. How did that even get listed here?
Since the whole shonen/shojo/seinen/whatever thing applies to manga and manga alone in Japan, does it even make sense to list anime-only or adaptations of
Anime First work here?
