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While I like this page very much, could we maybe not use "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" as an example? After all, the meaning of that image might be confusing for a few moments, but is actually pretty clear
 . In contrast, I'd say that a real Mind Screw looks just as if it contained some kind of message, but since its main purpose is confusion, you won't make any sense of it, no matter how hard you think about it - the exact opposite. So, please don't take offense, but because of that, using that picture on the Mind Screw page looks to me more as if someone was too lazy to think outside the box for a few moments ;)
Nolan Burke: I agree. And the 'super secret spoiler' actually explains it, which kills the whole point. There's actually plenty of other Surrealist paintings that would be much more suitable.
Gus Cut this:
Tanto: Not really sure Eternal Darkness counts. The plot of that game is fairly stock Lovecraftian Cosmic Horror stuff — the No Fourth Wall elements are designed to imply the characters losing their sanity, not deliberate attempts by the writers to obfuscate the plot. Sikon: FLCL has a plot?! Patsy: Looks like someone needs to watch it a few more times. Fly: Taking out:
fleb: I'm weighing whether to add this quote to the page, since odds are there's a screwier one in there somewhere: `If I wasn’t real,’ Alice said–half laughing through her tears, it all seemed so ridiculous–`I shouldn’t be able to cry.’ `I hope you don’t suppose those are real tears?’ Tweedledum interrupted in a tone of great contempt. Caswin: Is The Matrix really an example? I'm touchy about stories like this, but that movie always seemed perfectly comprehensible to me. Tanto: The sequels, more likely. The first movie was fine because it took a forty-five minute break in the middle of the plot to explain what the Matrix is and how it works, but the sequels didn't bother explaining their nonsensical stuff. Medinoc: We need to rework the capitals-heavy Buffy example: We have a trope for that, and it's called Cuckoo Nest... Fast Eddie: This rather long scoreboard section pulled...
Timecube isn't a deliberate mindscrew or anything of the sort. Rather, it is the not-especially-coherent rantings of one Gene Ray, who has been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and who has been in and out of mental hospitals since puberty. Something like the ilovebees Web page is a deliberate mindscrew. Timecube is something else entirely. Prfnoff: Moved to Cloudcuckoolander. That Other 1 Dude: Removed "I'm going to recount as much of the story as I can before my brain starts to hurt. Solid Snake is a cloned mercenary who is suffering from premature aging due to a planned obsolescence scheme worthy of Microsoft. He lives with his support character and 'best friend', Otacon, and the two of them have adopted a child together. That oozing sound you just heard was made by all the homoerotic fiction writers simultaneously emitting torrents of hot lady spunk. Anyway, Solid Snake is tasked with the assassination of his evil clone brother, who is dead, but lives on through his possessed arm, which was grafted onto the body of OH CHRIST I CAN'T GO ON THIS SHIT IS BANANAS."
It's both way to freaking big, and not talking about a Mind Screw, just something that's very very weird.
Ben 'Yahtzee]' Croshaw tries and fails to summarize Metal Gear Solid 4 for newcomers to the series.
Large Blunt Object: Oh, nice bowdlerisation, Lord Seth. Reverted. You can remove the word "fuck" from a piece of "How do we not have this one yet?" nonsense and leave the rest of the sentence in? Funny priorities... Lord Seth: I also have absolutely no idea what edit you're even referring to... Ttam: Actually, most of the plot points of Final Fantasy VII were cleared up, if you were paying attention. What the Hell happened to the South Park entry? Is anything more of a Mind Fuck than South Park? Lord Seth: Because it...really isn't? Sure, it's wacky at times, but it's quite coherent. Incidentally, should the following really be listed:
Caswin: Dr. Horrible? Really? I usually hate having my mind messed with, and I wasn't confused at all by that one. Tal9922: Removing it for that precise reason. Seems to me more like whoever added that in just didn't hear what Billy said at the end, ( And I feel nothing), which is relatively simple if you watched the whole thing. I'm pretty sure the line is "And I won't feel/a thing...", but agree that the ending is pretty self explanatory; ie. Billy buries himself inside his Dr. Horrible persona in a futile attempt to escape the guilt and pain caused by Penny's death. Smokie: Is this really only about symbolism? I mean there are enough examples that state simply mindscrewing "What the hell is going on?" without stupid non-symbolic symbolism to make it look cool (Yes that was ranting). Anyway, isn't it better to alter the description then? Czernobog:Wait...wait...Nabokov is mentioned, but there's nothing on this page to do with "Invitation to a Beheading"? In fact...that might also fit in Mind Rape, actually... SenatorJ: I always thought that Hotel California was about immigration. Am I the only one? Edrobot: Changed the image to something more universal. Hope you don't mind. BritBllt: I've gotta be honest, I like the other picture better since it humorously summed up the audience reaction to the trope. This one's a little obscure for anyone who's not already familiar with the painting, and for those who are, the paradox is too easily solved (it's not a pipe, it's a picture of a pipe). Kingdom Hearts? If that's supposed to be mind screw, we might as well list every jRPG created after 1996 and be done with it. Removing. Yuasa Masaaki's Mind Game seems like it belongs here, at first, but I think the overall message is actually fairly clear...maybe it's just artistic. Thoughts? PuppetChaos: Ideon is a mindscrew? It had a few trippy moments but the viewer already knows about the Ide and such, so it's not too hard to figure out what's going on.... I'm kind of wondering if it's on this page because of: "It inspired Eva, therefore it must be a Mind Screw!" logic. Removing. Baneslave: Why "Call Of Duty 4. Shock and Awe" is an example? |
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