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Mikado: Someone should do a troper tales page for this and the shotacon entry. That way, we know who to report to the police.
Animeg3282: Got a question about the fruits baskets examples- is it really lolicon if your love interest is technically an adult? There's no canon shots showing that the spoiler couples did anything before say, the age of 16 or so...[my cut off for loli, subjective,yes]
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Adonic Meki: Removed the shotacon examples since it has its own page.
Seth: The Loli redirect is useless, it is linked everywhere as Lolicon and it could only serve as a link trap at best. Someone has been going nuts with the redirects recently. Stop it. Citizen: Hello there, Seth, we meet again... I don't know about this redirect rampage you refer to, but I did not expect such a strong response on this page. Thinking of Loli as an anime character type, I thought a redirect might be useful. It was called Loli and linked to Lolicon on at least one page here somewhere, possibly not even by me. ^^ Ununnilium: I'd say it's useful. Just a reminder, the age of consent in Japan has been raised to 16 for females. 18 for males. Enforcement appears spotty. Cassius335: Where'd you hear that, Blaise? Wiki still has the japanese age of consent listed as age 13 for both males and females. Duckluck: Yeah, I did a quick search of Google news and found nothing to indicate that it had been changed, and one blurb that indicated that it hadn't. Unless someone can track down solid evidence, I'm going to say that Blaise was misinformed. Citizen: Might that be age for marriage? abcd_z: *ahem* http://legal.3yen.com/2005-07-27/is-the-age-of-consent-in-japan-really-13/ 
Citizen: "You and your dad are really close, Konata."  ◊
Cassius335: Heh. What series is that from?
SAMAS: Lucky Star, I believe.
Duckluck: Am I the only one who's bothered by the fact that we don't use the term "pedophilia" anywhere in the main body of the text? I mean it's not as if there's any question that that is what a Lolita complex is, so why are we dancing around it by calling it a "fetish" or an "obsession?" Something about the way this page dances around the issue really just rubs me the wrong way. Cassius335: Let's keep the politics out of this. This is supposed to be a FUN site. Besides, look at the second quote up top. Duckluck: What politics? "Lolita Complex" means female-oriented pedophilia. That's just what it is. Also, I haven't seen the SVU episode in question, but the way it's described over at There Should Be A Law implies that the episode in question tried to be condemnatory, but wound up just being stupid. Either way, it still seems like we should mention pedophilia in there some where. Especially since, according to US law, drawings of children in sexual positions are still considered to be Child Porn (and therefore, a felony and sex offense). Actually it turns out there are some politics...
Drow Lord: Might just be due to the page reverts, but just in case... Amy is the gothloli character from Soul Calibur, not Tira. Brickman: Removed Romeo and Juliet reference: At the time, that WAS the standard age at which people got married and started trying to have kids. Just because it's taboo now doesn't mean it was even out of the ordinary when people lived half as long as they do today. Citizen: "There aren't many boys who can resist little girls..."  ◊ =P (Omamori Himari)
Ogreunited: apologies but is not the realtionship between Colosus and Shadow Cat from the xmen comics a good example of this (though admiterly a westeren version)
Jisu: Who moved the caption to below the picture? It's like that usually, but for this one, it's supposed to be above. Xavius: To me, "Lolicon" will always sound like a laughing smiley (:D). goodyfun: That's awesome! lol + y + Emoticon... Why have I never thought of that? XD Foton: pretty much a comment, but some may invoke an "Our Lolis Are Different" thing, in the sense that any character is loli as long as they have flat chest, even if they are Really Seven Hundred Years Old, in which if said character are of that age, so much the better, as it goes around the Unfortunate Implications. OMG WTF is wrong with the japanese? Regiment: Wait... "Lolicon" is sometimes written "roricon" because it... comes from the English and French? Just because the Japanese pronounce something a certain way doesn't make it correct. That's like saying that the cathedral "Notre Dame" is pronounced like the American mispronounciation. Twin Bird: But "lolicon," even though the words it's made from are English, comes directly from Japanese, where it's technically "rorikon." If you were to be faithful to English and French, it would be "lolicom." Really, the bastardization "lolicon" has no grounding other than "just having stuck somehow." Troper: I think the Evangelion example should be removed, because 14 year old Asuka and Rei are clearly way past puberty. It would better fit into a jailbait trope (in the US) if one exists. goodyfun: Although it isn't too big of a problem on this wiki, I've noticed that this page in particular has a very, very large amount of examples being simply fan speculation. One or two examples of fan speculation, if they're big, obvious, and well-known enough, most likely don't hurt, but several of the examples seem to have popped up for there merely being a loli in a series. It's the same thing for the Shotacon page. Cassius335: Um, Fast Eddie? Can we have the pic back, please? The original one, from before Dragon Quest Z changed it. (And why now to put up a "no images" tag, when this trope has had a pic on it for some considerable time? Are you doing that "I hadn't got round to being offended until now" thing my mother used to do?) Fast Eddie: More like I'm not interested, so I haven't seen it in years. Putting images on these items that the ad server already flags causes the article to be dead weight, revenue-wise. The article works fine without a picture. Westrim: Since when was this site about revenue? Since when was locking pages okay? And since when did we need a reason to put a picture on a page? But, if you need one I'll give you several; it sums up the concept pretty well, it's funny, it's been there for a while with no issues and it gives the page some color, which is useful on any page as it keeps the intro from just looking like a wall of text. That's four; you might have the revenue thing, which, again, I did not realize was the point of the Wiki. EDIT: Changing it back again and relocking the page without even commenting isn't very cool Eddie. Tricksterson: If you're not interested what are you even doing on the topic, much less interfering? On Allison Harrington - she may be theoretically post-pubescent, but she is not normal height for an Asian woman. She is not anywhere near normal height for an Asian woman. Two-thirds Honor's height is the size of a seven-year-old girl. Even rounding up a generous couple inches is 130 cm - child or dwarf height. This is what a proportionate adult dwarf Allison Harrington's height looks like (The guy's very tall, take off 20 cm to get to Allison's husband's height). Weber's thing for writing frequently pregnant women the size of elementary schoolgirls (yes, there's more than one in the Honorverse) probably fits here better than it fits anywhere else, especially with the way Allison's tiny size is overtly sexualized. I suppose it could go in Author Appeal.
Midonin: I'm trying to remove the Strike Witches entry from the article, as it doesn't really fit — aside from the character designs, almost no elements of the actual lolicon thing in there. But with the article locked... Jethro Q Walrustitty: Is the article locked? It needs to be added to the Trope Names From The Japanese index. Willbyr: It must be; I tried to put the picture back in and couldn't get the edit page link to work. Tricksterson: Who locked it and why? Westrim: I'm pretty sure it was Fast Eddie, presumably annoyed with the restoration of the image and unwilling to explain himself further than "page is not a source of revenue." Look a couple conversations above. Tricksterson: Well, is there anyway to unlock it? Muninn: Probably by getting either Fast Eddie or Janitor to do so. From the way Eddie kind of just dropped in here, locked it, and ddropped out of the conversation, chances of him unlocking it are probably slim. Deuxhero:I'd like "Note to be confused with an Ephebophile." added above the examples line somewhere if one of the admins feels like doing it. SpiriTsunami: Ah, so I'm not the first to notice this. |
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