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poke the bear launched as Janitor: From YKTTW
What makes a Mary Sue? Never mind appearance, personality, or capabilities. Those are just Mary Sue Traits. Let's get at the underlying mechanics.

The character is a black hole. Her gravity is so great she draws in all attention and causes other characters (and often reality) to bend and contort in order to accommodate her. All action that doesn't involve her involves other characters talking about her. Those who confront her will devolve into textbook Straw Men, serving only to provide a ridiculously easy to refute argument.

After looking at your edits on the Kardashev Scale article, I must say, you seem mildly awesome. Thanks for the help. Ctrlbuild
MRL: Stumbled across this contributor's page from the link via Almighty Janitor, and noticed somebody had left a flame on it. I don't know who it was (they, of course, didn't sign it), and I don't know anything about Janitor, but I felt it was inappropriate and removed it.


Westrim: Okay, IP banning for trying to work on a couple page images without even a warning or something isn't very cool, Janitor. I am perfectly willing to talk about whatever issues you have with the images I contributed, but that's rather difficult if I can't edit or even see any pages, including talk pages, without using a (iffy and very cumbersome) proxy server. And even then, I can't make a forum thread to go over this or do anything related to my username. I've been a steady editor and contributor to the wiki for close to a year now. Can we please go over whatever I'm doing that you feel warrants a banning right at the beginning without warning me or something? EDIT: I'd really appreciate a response here of some sort, if only so that I don't waste my time in the vain hope of constructively editing the Wiki again.

Dolt Boy: Seconded here. Sorry I'm kinda just coming into this discussion from nowhere, but the fact is, Janitor, you did delete his edits multiple times without any listed reason. All it said was "No image needed, thanks. Turns into fandumb", but who are you to decide that? Sure you may be an "admin helper" or whatever, but how are we supposed to know that just from your edits? Because at first it appears as if you're just a Jerk Ass who is deleting his edits just to do it. Anyway, just saying...

Janitor: I own the site. I really don't have time to go back and forth with people over a decision that has been made.

Westrim: Then I'll accept your decision on the page image here. However, I'd really like to continue editing the rest of the Wiki at home and college, so I'd really appreciate you lifting the bans on those I Ps. I promise to do nothing further to this page, or any others you want to throw in. But being kept from even looking at the site without going multiple steps through a proxy, having my bookmarks rendered moot, or not having the resources available to a named editor because I crossed the wrong person over one issue is saddening.

(Update) It's been nearly two weeks and I still haven't received a response of any sort; as far as I know your comment was about the page image, not my ban. If you want to not talk this over on a public discussion page my email is westrim4@gmail.com. If you are having difficulty with the I Ps, they are 68.105.173.119 and 76.93.112.128 If all you have to say is "stop bothering me and stay away from the site", I can abide by that, but as is I'm in limbo here. I've been a conscientious and constructive editor, with several launched articles and several YKTT Ws currently languishing and hundreds of edits over a span of 14 months. I'm not some troll that came in to screw things up, I'm trying to help. Please, respond.

Okay Janitor, this is getting weird. Why did you delete the forum thread? Please respond or email me or something, but this is just...- I don't know what it is because you wont say. What the heck did I do to apparently tick you off so much?


Dammerung: Look� I didn't think this through. I'm sorry. Now my girlfriend can't access this site to read either. I was really upset and didn't think about that. I don't care anymore. I wanted to contribute and I really don't understand why I was banned in the first place. Yeah I argued with people, but I thought it was all fair play and I didn't think this would happen.

Keep everything I've written, and I won't try to contribute anything else or mess anything up. It's all ashes in my mouth now anyway. Please just unban IP 76.252.142.73 which is our home IP so that my girlfriend can keep reading. I'm done, I lose, I'm sorry. I would really appreciate it.


Tricksterson: Would it be possible to unlock the Lolicon page. I hope I'm not jumping around proper channels. If I am it's out of ignorance, not malice, I swear. I promise not to nag about it, this is the only time I'll bring it up. If there are proper channels please let me know what they are? Pleaseandthankyou.