Inferred Holocaust Discussion - Television Tropes & Idioms

Twin Bird: Regarding Bob the Angry Flower, it kind of seems like the author's never read the book; the heroes' base of operations was an agrarian enclave, wasn't it?

Seaside Messenger: regarding the lengthy debate over Link's Awakening, isn't Final Fantasy Tactics Advance in a similar boat?

Cassy: Removed from the entry on Blue Gender:

"So basically, mother nature says us humans can't advance past a hunter gatherer society."

We could do without the pseudo-ethnological racism, thank you very much.

For the record, I was going to add something from Farscape about Chiana spreading the Nebari virus to Earth by having sex with Crichton's younger self in 1986, but then I realized I wasn't sure I knew how the virus worked, especially since I didn't watch A Clockwork Nebari. —Document N

Haven: In that episode, there's a flashback that reveals Chiana was purged of the virus at some point before her first appearance on the show, and I don't think she was ever reinfected or anything. Anyway, the way the virus supposedly works is that it's symptomless until the Nebari activate it, which we never see happen, so we're probably good. Come to think of it, I think I'm gonna go add the Nebari to Aborted Arc.

I was thinking that when the virus was activated, there would be no way to stop it on Earth because the wormhole there was closed in Bad Timing. —Document N

Nornagest: Cut natter:

As Bob the Angry Flower pointed out

◊, the heroic capitalists (read: useless aristocrats) are pretty damned boned as well. (One can dispute this somewhat: the cartoon sort of assumes the heroes to be only realistically competent, whereas Ayn Rand seems to imply them to have almost godlike proficiency even with simple work.)

To provide another nitpick, Rand's books spend ridiculous amounts of pages providing Infodump after Expospeak just to explain why productive members of many different classes, including working, blue-collar, and white-collar individuals would be disappeared into Galt's camp. The people outside Galt's group are screwed, but if you made it through the "Tunnel Disaster" portion of the book where hundreds of people are sentenced to death by carbon monoxide poisoning because of the Evil Bureaucrats know they can pawn off the failure on someone that doesn't matter, but it's okay because they were socialist/communist, this isn't that odd of a fate.

Just read this

The original comment adequately explains the Inferred Holocaust, and is compatible with the book if you disregard Rand's wilder assertions. The responses are entirely unnecessary.

Also a little curious about the "pseudo-ethnological racism" above, re: Blue Gender. From here it looks like Did Not Do The Research at worst, and there are still a few hunter-gatherer societies floating around the Amazon and other remote areas — but I haven't seen the show, so it might relate to something completely over my head.

...come to think of it, the entire Blue Gender entry isn't an Inferred Holocaust, just a regular The End Of The World As We Know It. Pulling it.

Document N: Having not read it but read about it, I think it's actually more of a Values Dissonance example.

Gattsuru: For Atlas Shrugged, Dwight Sanders has the ability to design and — with the help of the metalsmiths there — build tractors. It wasn't his field of specialty, but there's a certain degree of overlap between airplanes and tractors, and several tool manufacturers who also made tractor parts had been converted, too. We only meet one of the philosophers — one of the first people Galt converts — when he's working at a diner as a cook.

Earnest: Pulling the following from the Wall-E example, as the humans "doing the same mistakes" basically Terraform the Earth back to being, well, Earth.

Although this troper found that to be a real Downer Ending, since the humans plainly go on to make all the same mistakes over again.

Maybe something about Grim Fandango and the questions of whether everyone who's ever been sprouted or smashed by boat propellors is still alive in the 8th Underworld at the end of the game, and whether Celso got cast into Hell just for letting Manny trick him into buying a ticket? —Document N

Tamfang: Does The Dirty Pair count?

On the Independence Day entry: the spaceship's ability to affect tides is determined by its mass, not size. Since we know there is significant empty space in the ship (the hanger/docking bay), it's possible that the ship was significantly less than 1/4 of the moon's mass.

Ok it's not over yet, but surely Half-Life 2 can't end well. The earth is pretty screwed up on a likely permanent scale..

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