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Ghost In The Shell Stand Alone Complex Discussion
prescience: Pulling this from the entry for Does Not Know His Own Strength. It doesn't fit the trope, but it's too funny to remove.

** Batou too, when he wants to be. From "Android and I:"
*Finding an apartment door locked, Batou rotates the handle, then pulls the door right out of the lock, destroying part of the door frame.*
Togusa: “Why do you always have to be so rough? I could’ve opened the door without leaving a scratch!”
Batou: “A commendable skill, but it’s way too slow.


Source for Batou being completely cybernetic, please? ~~~~

BT The P: It gets screen mention several times, in text or dialogue, but I can't cite episodes.


In regard to the "Viewers are geniuses" bit, you may want to mention that the left handed thing is NOT the most obscure explanation fans use for the apple. -Zhirzzh


The Spotthe Imposter example states that the imposter definitively is the one that wins the duel, but the actual page for Spotthe Imposter states that it is unclear which of the two won. Should one of these be changed? -Crasical

Artemis Leon: I saw the episode on Adult Swim again recently, and can confirm that the impostor won. In the initial exchange of blows, Real Pazu is wounded across his chest before he can get his knife out. When Batou arrives at the aftermath of the fight, the corpse has this wound. The standing Pazu also has a cut on "his" chest, but it is noticeably shallower and going the opposite direction—apparently, she faked the wound in a hurry.


The movie goes even further in that Kusanagi goes in to battle naked. Justified in that her cyborg body's skin has 'Thermo Optic Camouflage' that makes her invisible. - She is not naked, the thermo-optic camouflage just is VERY form fitting. You can see its edge on her neck in some scenes, and also can see it ripping before her skin while she's battling the tank.


Rogue 7: I just watched "Solid State Society" after having read this page precisely once, so needless to say I'm confused as hell. But "the puppetmaster" most definitely did show up, so I wonder if that merits a mention. I'll leave it to those who actually know what they're talking about.

- Isn't it called the Puppeteer in SSS? Either way, it's a different character.


"2nd Gig features a shout-out to the movie's opening scene in the opening of its first episode, while in the second the Major has the same haircut as her manga counterpart."

The wording here is a bit odd; is "the second" referring to the second episode of the 2nd Gig, or the second season? Didn't the first episode of 1st Gig also have a shoutout to the movie (the Major dropping off the skyscraper's roof)?


I'm surprised - is there no "It Just Bugs Me..." page for Ghost in the Shell?


What are instances of "Camera Abuse" and what is the "Very Special Episode"? The Camera Abuse article has "Ghost" mentioned, but does not give specific examples. The VSE page has no "Ghost" mention, and I can't think of an episode that's much in the public-service gear. Besides pissing off the Major. You never want to piss off the Major.

Latw PIAT: Camera Abuse appears all over the place, as far as I can remember. Especially when something explodes. Very Special Episode, on the other hand... Trust me on this. There isn't one. If you really want to shoehorn the trope in, claim NIGHT CRUISE to go out of it's way to be anti-American, but if you do that, you're already stretching it way to far.

- Then why is "VSE" on the page? I'll go take it out.


prescience: Pulled this from the character sheet, as it seems more suited to WMG. Also, the evidence cited is extremely tenuous.

* The viewers themselves. If you discount Aramaki as being a member of the team (because he organised it, and isn't really a field agent) and the Tachikomas (Because they're mean to be tools) then certain things make a little more contextual sense. For example, the photographs in the end credits of series one make more sense if you consider them to have been taken by an observer member of the team. The final photograph includes all people in Section 9... so who's taking the photo?
**One of the work droids?
**Tripod + timed camera + some running around = everyone in picture.


Meta Four: Created a page for the whole franchise, a page for the manga, and a page for the original movies. Moved examples from this page to those pages, as best I could. I leave this in the hands of Wiki Magic, to sort out the stuff I missed.

Latw PIAT: Tried to clean some of those examples up a bit. Still working on them through. I'll need to work in some Man//Machine Interface stuff in there.

Rhainor: Came to Discussion to complain about this. Will be moving a few examples to the movies' page momentarily.
Latw PIAT: Space Filling Empire? Really? I can't remember that at all...

prescience: Me neither; and I do remember that the USA splits up into two or three separate countries. Removing.

Also, I don't think Adaptation Distillation is really applicable, since S.A.C. isn't actually an adaptation...

fireandchutes77: Even if it's based off the manga?

prescience: I've only seen small bits and pieces of the manga, but it seems to be a completely different story from S.A.C.

Anime Otaku It's been confirmed that the Manga, The first 2 movies and S.A.C. are all intended to be stand alone universes. You can see this most in the characterisation of the Major. In the Film she's very serious and likes to wax philisophical, in S.A.C. she's got a more funny personality, if a bit snarky. Also in the Manga there are Fuchikomas, The Movies has no tanks used by section 9 and S.A.C. has the Tachikomas and Fuchikomas at the end of 2nd gig and the film.


fireandchutes77: What's the name of "the episode where people are forced to watch themselves die," again? I didn't want to clutter up the main page asking.

Latw PIAT: "Jungle Cruise"

Anime Otaku: IIRC the killer only does this to one victim.


Anime Otaku: Sorry if this is in the wrong discussion first of all. There is a mention of Daisuke Aramaki fitting the Magnificent Bastard trope if but for the fact he's a good guy. Could he be listed as a subversion/variant. Alternately what about Chessmaster, particularly the way he manipulates the various politicians to get what he wants?

Latw PIAT: He's not really The Chessmaster either; Neither he nor Section 9 are about setting things up to their benefit, they're all about tearing things down. Of course, if you count Xanatos Speed Chess with Batman Gambits as a feature of a Chessmaster, then he would be one.

Anime Otaku: Maybe we need a YKTTW for Speed Chessmaster, basically characters that exhibit Chessmaster qualities but only in situations where they or those close to them are under threat. Also they do kinda have some things set up to benefit them though it's mostly for when things go really really bad they have ways to get out of dodge and multiple safehouses, except Togusa.