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Gus: Not Cool!... I just zapped an edit to this. It was from someone who signed as 'joss'. It used the phrase "I did not entend <stet>..." It had all sorts of spelling and other grammar errors. In spite of these indicators, I checked the url. Someone in Nova Scotia thinks we will believe stuff we hadn't better ought to. Just completely, entirely uncool. Blocked the IP? Absolutely. Kizor: High five! Gus Five back! I am still steamed about this. I want to do that thing from the View Askew movie where you track the sucker down and smack him upside his pimply, basement-dwelling face. Seth: Hums *How many people wanna kick some ass* Gus: Hums with Seth. Just for the record ... how to put this ... People from the late and lamented Mutant Enemy bullpen do post here. Anonymously. 'Cuz people can be frackin' weird. Looney Toons: <Anonymous SFWA member waves at anonymous Mutant Enemy folks, closing his eyes so he can't see who's waving back, out of respect for their privacy...> Oh, and Gus? Check out this link  if you want to find Mister Illiterate Nova Scotian to at least within a mile or so. I'd do it myself but you zapped so thoroughly that there isn't even a record of it.
Gus: Actually, I use a service that is even more precise, down to which MAC in the house is posting. I am keeping my eye on a certain house on Lindsey Lane in Halifax, NS. Not that ip-address is not entirely cool. Also, yeah. I zapped that sucker completely. Didn't want that crap on the disk.
//Later: I am still mad about this. I am about to go Kendra on this dude. "Fake me? Fake YOU! Fake me again, motherfaker, and I will cut you.".
Looney Toons: Your service is cool, but it makes out my location to be about 75 miles to the SSE from where I actually am... Then again, there are inherent difficulties in mapping realworld locations to IP addresses... Though I recently heard that our government (USA, that is), in all its benevolent wisdom, is working hard on that problem.
BT The P: It's closer for me, but my town is probably smaller than yours.
Looney Toons: Well, I'm at work (now and when I wrote that); I suppose what it's reporting is the facility that provides our T1 or something.
Gus: Yup. It (maxmind) is giving the location of your ISP's point-of-presence in the free sample. The pay queries are a lot tighter than that, for certain IS Ps. Accuracy is pretty low outside North America, though. I haven't been tracking what the US gov is up to around ip-location. It must be fun for them, that there five times as many IP's in America than there are Americans.
Looney Toons: But duty calls, else how can they properly protect us from The Vaguely Defined Terrorist Threat (TM)?
Gus: FYI
Kizor: WTFFFFF
joss: Thanks, Gus, 'cuz I am a big-deal, busy-guy Creator, I would never misspell entinded, uhm, intandant ... that word. I am all about the words. Janitor: IP checks out. Holy shit, we've been jossed! Gus: There goes the bandwidth budget. You're welcome, and ... throw us a crumb on Wonder Woman. Inquiring minds are inquisitive. joss: What's with the bracket things. Nevermind, forget I asked. As for your question, Buffy Season 8, the comic, is going great. Thanks for asking. I kid. This is me, with the kidding. WW re-writes are winding down. There is pre-casting, casting, and stuff about casting going on. We are pretty sure Wonder Woman should be played by a female actress. Probably. Except for maybe in the stunt sequences... Yeah! Buffy Season 8, the comic, is going gangbusters! Looney Toons: Count me among those who think a female actress is far preferable to a male actress. <grin> In the mean time, I will look forward to future announcements in the various trade papers and sites. As for the brackets, forget I answered, but they set up a link to another Wiki page, either extant or potential — you don't need to bracket your name unless you want to set up a Contributors entry for yourself. And if you do want to, well, I doubt there's anyone here who will object. <makes note to go to comics store tonight> joss: I have been cruising through this thing you guys have built. I had heard about it from some writer-types, from time to time, but had no idea, really, what it had become. Go ahead and get all ego-bloated and difficult to deal with, as long as you keep delivering the goods. Special note for Looney Tunes: I don't know. Some of your male actresses can be kind of ... cute. Not to me. That was a general observation thing. YYZ: "Male actresses?" What, like Di Caprio and such? Gus: I think Joss is gone. Here is a recap of the visit: Wonder Woman will be played by a woman. Probably. He likes us. He could go either way on the actress/actor thing. Joss may be the most non-committal animal on all of planet Earth. Except for the "He likes us." thing. That came out unqualified. joss: Nothing ever goes away here, does it? See, the world is all about Goners and Runaways. That Wonder Woman stuff is _so_ last month. Fast Eddie: <smackdown!> IP Address? Completely frackin' wrong. What is with these pseudos? Dear Lame Person, We know that you are in a really small town in Kentucky and wish you were Joss Whedon. You have our sympathies. Lurves-n-smootchies, The Wiki. HeartBurn Kid: As awesome cool as your geolocation deal-y is, you might want to rethink relying on it for bans. I mean, I'm not saying this guy's Joss or anything, but that location.com.my site says I'm posting from Herndon, VA. And ip-address.com puts me just outside of Wichita, KS. I've never even been to Virginia or Kansas (or any state besides California and Nevada). Fast Eddie: The pay-service says for you: Mira Loma, off Trail Canyon. How do you like me now? ;-) // later: OK. That reads as kinda creepy, later on. We only do the IP check when people are declaring some kind of authority, because we distrust authority on first principles. By "we" I mean Fast Eddie, on behalf of authority-distrusters everywhere. Tanto: Ah, but in speaking on behalf of other people are you not actually assuming authority? :-) Fast Eddie: XD !! No, I am assuming a power, which is entirely about responsibility, not authority.
Meocross: wow.... this series is only 12 freaking episodes yet i see it on almost every trope i stumble on. what is in this show? o_O Fast Eddie: Everything good. Looney Toons: What he said. Looney Toons: Snipped
Mercy: Oh, I'm sorry Loonytunes. I must have missed the sign on the entrance reading "Only people who think Firefly was totally perfect, without flaw, and beyond criticism may post here". I don't especially dislike Firefly, and I enjoyed Serenity, but I think the TV series is severely over-hyped by its fans. I mean, "Too Good For This Sinful Earth"? Come on! You don't have to like Firefly. It's just that, since you seem to be the only one who dislikes it and gives a hoot, it'd be nice if you didn't add tropes based solely on the fact you (and only you) don't like it. Take it to Darth Wiki. It's what "Complaining about shows you don't like" was made to prevent. Shadow Warden: Cut this:
Ununnilium: "semi-subverted in that River is frequently a danger to the other characters" This is Not A Subversion. Forthur: Removed "The first three shots she'd ever taken in in combat in her life" from Awesomeness By Analysis as this is by no means certain - she still won't tell what they did to her at the academy. Fighteer: Please stop removing the Big Damn Heroes quote. Firefly is the friggin' Trope Namer, so if any quote belongs, this one does. Unknown Troper: Agreed. Its sat up there for so long, the article feels...wrong without it, too. Taelor: Wait, Saffron as a Complete Monster? Sure, she's evil, but she's also far to entertaining for Complete Monster status. Discar: I've got a suggestion for a new page quote. Whether it is in addition or as a replacement is up to everyone else, but I thought Jayne's line in The Train Job ("Time for some thrilling heroics") would be a great quote. The only reason I didn't just put it up is because that would kind of be pushing it, since there are already a good number up there. Fighteer: We have a Quotes namespace for this sort of thing. If you're itching to add all of your favorite lines, put 'em there. T Paradox: This just got cut:
Dangermike: WTF is up with Jayne being called a Kavorka Man? The only times Jayne got laid were in a whorehouse, and when he was a national hero. Plus all the stuff about him actually being good looking etc. Someone didn't read the trope description again. Unknown Troper: Pulled the Unfortunate Implications entry. Only one Asian character in the entire series comes off as a villain, and that's Ott in the comic books. That also leaves out the fact that there are literally a dozen white villains in the series as well, and several black ones. It's simply Equal Opportunity Evil in action. And while they are shown barbequeing dogs in the pilot, that actually does happen in Asia. Unless we're going to start calling any scene that shows an actual aspect of the society of a particular culture an Unfortunate Implication, that doesn't belong. Mercy: While it was not I that made (or restored) the Unfortunate Implications entry, I do think it belongs. The fact that Whedon went out of his way to make "Chinese-ness", or whatever you want to call it, a big deal in Firefly, but then chose not to give one single Asian actor any lines, and chose to depict even background Asian extras doing very stereotyped things (dressing as ninjas, cooking dog etc.), is an issue. Suppose he had relegated all black characters to the background and then only depicted them running stalls selling watermelons and eating fried chicken, what would the audience reaction have been? Unknown Troper: Except that's one scene in the unaired pilot of a series that got canceled halfway through it's first season, and said scene takes place in a spaceport docking complex that's showing about fifty different cultures smashing together headlong in a giant crossroads-like marketplace. I really don't think it applies, here. Mercy: The whole "Chinese stuff is cool, so I'll appropriate it to add future-y flavour, but I won't cast Asian actors" thing applies to the entire series, and the movie too, so Whedon obviously didn't feel any need to make an Authors Saving Throw. And offensive stereotypes don't become less so by only being included once. And so what if Firefly was cancelled half-way through the first season? One can only judge an work, or an artist, by what one sees, not by what one imagines one might have seen. I think the issue is real, and I don't think we should let Joss Whedon's undoubted talents persuade us to give him a free pass. Dark: Mercy, would the trope you're looking for be Least Common Skin Tone? Unfortunate Implications doesn't really seem to apply here - the only "bad" things we see Asians do is cooking dogs for all of five seconds on-screen (which to some is seemingly abhorrent, but to play devil's advocate here, what makes them a completely non-valid food source?). The complete absence of Asians in the case is more Least Common Skin Tone. Along with that, if you're saying we've got some racial stereotypes that apply exclusively to Asians, I'll just point out the backwoods, overly-religious hicks in "Safe", which are totally not at all meant to be hillbillies, or the Russian-sounding Aldelei Niska being a crime boss. Yes, the only Russian we see is heavily involved in organized crime. Point is, either apply it to none of the racial/cultural groups that are portrayed, or apply it to all. Don't just pick on the one that you notice. Mercy: You make a fair point about the Niska thing. And yes, Least Common Skin Tone certainly applies. Of course the casting choices that excluded Asian actors do have Unfortunate Implications, but maybe that's more a reflection on our world than the world of Firefly. Dark: That's a whole 'nother ball of wax regarding the casting choices, but for purposes of this, I added in Least Common Skin Tone and removed Unfortunate Implications. I guess this little matter is closed. Feel free to edit the Least Common Skin Tone entry I put in to re-work it or whatever. |
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