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Sci Vo: So...two out of three examples of Elves Vs Dwarves are actually Elves Vs Humans? I feel like I'm missing something. Do humans in sci-fi settings tend to "be the Dwarves", so to speak?
Usually, yeah. Unless we're the Elves. We're rarely the Elves.
Servitor_2152: Do Metropolis and The Time Machine really count as examples of this trope? A privileged upper class living literally above a downtrodden lower class seems like a different trope, unless there's a war involved, and the conflict between the Morlocks and the Eloi is less a war and more Soylent Green.
Fast Eddie: the examples seem on-point to me. The trope is not literally about elves and dwarves, but about the two opposing types: light and airy versus dark and stolid. Graceful/brutish, what have you.
Ninja Vitis: If the Metropolis (1927) entry belongs here, then the Oldest in the Book mention is in the wrong place.
Fast Eddie: Cut out some stuff that was distracting from the main point. It might be simpler to rename this Marketeers Vs Engineers, so that people will get that it is not about elves are dwarves, per se, that those two species are just ways the trope is played, sometimes. BB Mofo: Changing something added about the Dvegar. The Dark Elves came from Snorri long after the fact, who split the Elves into Dark and Light. The original Dvegar were human sized with dark black beards and corpse white skin. They were spirits living beneath the Earth. They fraternized with the dead, could merge into the rocks, and had excellent smithing skills. They were belligerent towards not just the Elves, but almost everyone. Elves were basically nature spirits on the level of demigods. They looked just like humans, but even more beautiful. Not only could they perform magic, but they could walk through walls like a ghost. The deceased could be elevated to elves, and there were alfblots where both the deceased ancestors and the elves that controlled the land were offered food by different homes. There were also huge alfblots presided over by the king, where they slaughtered horses and humans slaves as offerings to the elves. Trolls are commonly believed to be based on the Jotun (Giants). Thunder Phoenix: I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw the Vulcan/Tellarite thing. Now we need to find a analogue in D&D for the Dominion and Borg. Peteman: for the Borg... Formians (the guys that took over the modrons as the main Lawful entities)? Dominion: dunno, since they're more an alliance of evil races. The 4E goblins if they were run by evil dopplegangers? (bugbears being Jem'hadar, and goblins being Vorta) I don't think they have good analogues. Related to what Fast Eddie was saying above, I think the article needs a rewrite to differentiate between elvish and dwarven character types and literal elves and dwarves. Considering we have Slobs Versus Snobs as a trope, I suggest we make that one the official character trope and turn this one to the literal trope everyone seems to think it is. Count Dorku: Merged the "Truth In Television" and "Real Life" sections. Since they're, y'know, functionally the same. |
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