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Okay, there's something that I feel like adding to Commentary Terms, except a) I'm not sure if this is something that people in general do or just me and my brother, and b) If it is a thing that people in general do, I can't help but wonder if it has a name already and it would be redundant and presumptuous for me to name it.
Basically, it's those parts of a TV show's continuity that you just sort of...write out. Events that sit so badly with you that you just kind of decide they didn't happen, they don't count, so there. For instance, after seeing the episode of Friends where we find out in a flashback that Chandler once made out with Rachel, and Ross once mistakenly made out with Monica, I immediately declared those dumbass developments null and void and prayed they would not be referenced again in what little remained of the show's run.
So, is this a thing? And if so, does it have a name already? (And if not, what the heck would be a good name? Cause I got nothin'.)
Looney Toons: Sounds like it might be a useful term, if you can dig up a few more examples. As for a name, I kind of like the sound of Dis Continuity.
Whogus The Whatsler: Oh, I can think of plenty of examples. For instance, in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode "Once More With Feeling", when it's revealed that Xander deliberately summoned the demon that had been killing everyone? That won't do, that's gone. The whole plot twist in The Practice where it turned out that George Vogelman, in contradiction of everything that made up the basis of the character, really was a psycho killer? Sorry, didn't happen. All of The West Wing after Aaron Sorkin left and all of Sliders after it turned to crap? Inadmissible. I also do it with sequels — eg, Terminator 2 counts but Terminator 3 doesn't, and I only consider the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy trilogy to have four books (as odd as that sounds).
The main problem with these examples is they're all personal. This entire concept varies from person to person; I'm sure there are people who love that episode of Friends, or think that Aaron Sorkin leaving The West Wing was the best thing that ever happened to it. So I'm not entirely sure how to go about including examples in the entry.
By the way, great name. I think that we can call that matter settled at least.
Looney Toons: Thanks. It works well as a portmanteau, which is why I suggested it. (I can provide closed captioning for those who don't understand, if they want.) As for the personal nature of the topic, well, just label it as "Very Subjective!" at the top of the entry. And after all, it is a Commentary Term. Commentary is often subjective.
Hm. You know, I seem to recall that this kind of dispute/classification isn't uncommon in particularly rabid literary fan circles, like Sherlockians, although a specific example fails to come to mind at the moment.
Gus: You will probably want to draw the distinction from snapback.
Looney Toons: Well, snapback is an actual plot element, a variety of reset button, while (if I'm understanding what Whogus has in mind) Dis Continuity would be a fan reaction to something they feel messes up the series and/or the suspension of disbelief necessary to enjoy it — the categorization of an event or even a Story Arc as so undesirable that the fan pretends it doesn't exist.
Gus: Sounds like a distinction to me.:-)
Tzintzuntzan: I love the name, but isn't this sort of included under Fanon? The current entry only mentions things that the fans invent, but the concept could be expanded to things fans dis-invent, or refuse to acknowledge. Discontinuity is basically Fanon in its negative form.
Maybe the entry on Discontinuity would also include when the writers do it. A snapback would be how one episode directly contradicts earlier ones (Zim destroyed his brain with a time machine last episode, now he's back to normal), while writers' discontinuity is just plain ignoring things, like Brother Chuck.
Drop Dead Gorgias: It sounds like it's more specifically where events happen, and then they're quickly forgotten by both writers and fans, so that you can enjoy the overall show without having to recall something really stupid that happened. The Xander thing seems to be the exemplar here.
Whogus The Whatsler: All right, I'm pretty comfortable with how I'm going to write this up now. I'll try and boil this all down to something cohesive.
Dark Sasami: Do the Apocrypha, such as the Gospels of Thomas, Peter, and the recently unearthed Judas, make this one of The Oldest Ones In The Book? (Or, as the case may be, Not In The Book?) Looney Toons: You know, that's a damned good question. If we take the "purity test" point of view that all technicalities count, then yeah, I guess it would. Oh, and <rimshot> for that last bit. Ununnilium: I'd say no, for the same reason that they don't count as Fan Fic. >>v Airbud: I've noticed that sometimes Dis Continuity is created when the original creators of a franchise are not involved in subsequent seasons/sequels. For example, Greg Weisman wasn't involved in season 3 of Gargoyles, Tim Burton didn't direct the third and fourth Batman movies, and for a video game example, Ron Gilbert had no input in Monkey Island 3 and 4. Could this be considered a sub-trope? Ununnilium: Makes sense to me. Other examples are the third and fourth Superman movies and Dragonball GT. Morgan Wick's mindless rambling: Well, Dis Continuity is created on the fan end. It's very subjective, and created on a case-by-case basis. Some people may think The West Wing post-Sorkin is perfectly fine being canon. This, this seems more related to Jumping The Shark. Kendra Kirai: "...and Superman Returns ignores the third and fourth Superman movies starring Christopher Reeve." - Thank goodness for *that*. There's no way they'd be able to fit the mess that was those two movies into the canon of Superman Returns. I mean, really...a drunken, bitter, angry Superman, and a Superman who goes around the world, grabbing all the worlds nuclear weapons? Not to mention Clark's odd shift to Lana Lang from Lois (Who got maybe three lines in Superman 3)... Lord was Superman 3 a mess. A small part of me wishes they'd do a remake of Superman 2 though, with the Superman Returns cast... Phartman: Oh no, you're not the only one who wants to see Superman and Zod throw down again. It was the only thing missing from Superman Returns. Well, that and Otis. By the way, did you ever see the deleted scene in Quest for Peace where Superman defuses a Soviet nuclear missile that the bad guy tried to detonate? So he ditched everyone else's nukes, but let the U.S.S.R. keep theirs? No wonder his cape is red.. Kendra Kirai: Is it just me, by the way, who gets the feeling that Dis Continuity, Negative Continuity and Reset Button are all more or less the same thing? At least Negative Continuity and Reset Button? Ununnilium: Negative Continuity uses the Reset Button, but not all uses of the Reset Button are Negative Continuity. Dis Continuity doesn't use the Reset Button; it's closer to Snap Back. And it needs there to be continuity in the first place for it to matter. Looney Toons: To be precise, Dis Continuity has nothing at all to do with how a show is written or made — it is entirely a viewer reaction. A show is never affected by an instance of Dis Continuity, except maybe from lost ratings. Ununnilium: Well, if even the writers think something was stupid, then Dis Continuity may become embodied in the show itself. See Airbud's comment up above. Looney Toons: Well, no. That's a Ret Con or one of its cousins. Ununnilium: It's a Ret Con that stems from Dis Continuity. I was just arguing against a show never being affected by Dis Continuity. Looney Toons: I don't have the time for it now, but this page really needs to be reorganized to match current usage — the separate sections and notes with their own examples should all be consolidated, with a single examples section at the bottom of it all. Ununnilium: How's that? Looney Toons: <blinks> Much better. And quickly so, too. Wow. Ununnilium: A-thank you, a-thank you. No need to applaud; I already know how awesome I am. Ununnilium: I like to keep the MST3K example at the bottom, since it's a rare example of characters using Dis Continuity, and discussing the concept. crapface I HATE the Fairly Odd Parents ep Its a wishfull life who else does because I dont want to put it up w/o knowing If anyone else dose. Lale: That's okay, but I don't think it hits the mark for this trope. Nobody is going to like every episode of a show, and not every episode is going to be good. To be Dis Continued should require much more IMO. The Gargoyles season, for example, apparently isn't Dis Continued because it was bad but because in what way it was bad and why the changes were made. One lousy episode, even if it's widely agreed, I don't think is always Jump The Shark worthy. Looney Toons: I removed **Most people (including Bryan Singer) pretend as if the third and fourth Superman movies never existed.
because a) It shouldn't be a subentry under Aliens, and b) because we already cite Superman Returns and ignoring movies III and IV earlier in the list of examples.
Burai: Removed ...
 . To say it "irked many fans" already implies that not all (or even most) were even bothered by the story revelations, let alone universally believing they effectively ruined the game.
Phartman: Indeed, Chrono Cross gets no slack from me. While there was nothing wrong with the gameplay as such, the plot's gleeful discarding of everything that happened in Chrono Trigger comes off as Masato Kato telling fans of the original: "eat shit." He then insulted fans further by suggesting that they didn't "get" his message. Kato-san apparently doesn't realize that if your installed base isn't happy with what you've done, it means you screwed the pooch, not them. Even George Lucas figured that out; that's why he didn't get mad at us all for hating Jar-Jar.
Ry Senkari: Funny story, I added the section on Chrono Cross after an argument on Gamefaqs with someone who disagreed with my idea of adding a Schala side-quest in a Chrono Trigger DS remake. My frustration with fans who like the fact that Crono, Marle, and Lucca are probably killed off before Chrono Cross, and who also think Schala should never come back in her original form, had hit its peak, and I came here to add the Chrono Cross material. Figuring that the only reason that so many people (at least from my experience) passionately defend Chrono Cross' rape of the Chrono Trigger story is because the gameplay was so good, I added that part about Chrono Cross being one of 2000's best games (it arguably was). Sorry about the weasel words, and I'm glad that so many people see it my way, the Chrono Cross entry is better now.
Phartman: Holy cow, they're finally doing a portable version of Chrono Trigger!? Crap, looks like I'm gonna have to save up for a D.S. now...
And yes, gameplay is important, but a rich story is what separates a truly good game from a mere time-waster, and a stupid plot twist can indeed ruin an otherwise good game. For instance, it doesn't matter if the next Indiana Jones is directed by Martin Scorsese and shot on the finest film in the known lands; if they killed off Indy before the movie began, the movie is going to suck, the end. Anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and racist.*
* Trust me, this always gets the naysayers to back off.
Nirual: I've never heard of a DS remake. I think he was talking about a topic dicussing what fans would like to see in the remake. The Chrono series haven't gotten any attention since 2000, SE is focusing on Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and the Mana series.
Besides, if there is anything they should remake, it's the cancelled SNES game Treasure of the Rudras.
SterlingNorth I'd like to note that there is a commonly used alternate name for this phenomena in the comic-book community — Krypto-Revisionism — which was coined by Steven Grant and Mark Evanier (and is a subject of an Evanier column that was republished in Comic Books and Other Necessities of Life). I don't have the book or the column on me but I believe the origin of the term came from the fans refusing to accept the new continuity where Superman was the last son of Krypton and that there were no other survivors. Phartman: Sh'yeah, Dis Continuity happens a lot with comics. arromdee: I've stopped maintaining the Sailor Moon FAQ for a while, but still have to correct a misconception: the whole idea that Toei wouldn't provide the episode stems from a very carefully worded ADV films press release that tried to *imply* that Toei wouldn't provide the episode. However, it didn't name Toei, so it was possible that they simply got the episodes thirdhand from Di C. Moreover, it didn't say "we asked for it and they wouldn't give it to us". It's possible that Toei didn't provide the episode to Di C; but even if that's true, there's been no public statement as to why, and one possibility is not that they think the episode is bad, but rather that Toei engaged in the common Japanese practice of limiting the American release so as to prevent reverse importation. If Toei really didn't like the episode, it wouldn't be on the Japanese release either, but it is. Could I perhaps request a WTF on that Gallifrey/New Earth thing? I've not seen it mentioned anywhere else, and can't even think what 'subtle imagery' this would entail. Except, perhaps, we've seen them both with orange sky (this was, however, New Earth's sunset, so...)? After thinking about it a little more, I've decided to remove it. It's peripheral to the point being made, and it doesn't help that the speculation is so weird, either. Zeke: I've done a little cleanup, mostly in the Trek item. This is gonna be a highly subjective article no matter what, but it's also an important one, so I think we should be careful to keep a little perspective. (For example, the number of Trek fans who think Star Trek V sucked absolutely dwarfs the number who hated VOY and ENT in their entirety; putting them on the same level is deceptive. Also, it just made for a hard-to-read sentence.) I have a whole rant about the basher mentality which I'll spare you, but the important thing is this: there's no such thing as "most fans". You're not most, I'm not most, most aren't most. And all is right out. Ununnilium: Hm. Several of the above comments (especially Burai's link to "Weasel Words") make me think of a new Wiki Trope: The Weasel Edit. This takes two forms; one where, in the same spirit as the Justifying Edit, a contributor who disagrees with an entry softens it to the point of meaninglessness by including all sorts of qualifiers. In the other form, there's an addition by a contributor who isn't quite sure that what they're adding actually has anything to do with the entry they added it to, so they put stuff like "Borderline example" and "Semi-subversion". Zeke: "Weasel Edit"? Sheesh, Ununnilium, don't hold back. Tell me what you really think. I admit I made my edit partly so I won't get so annoyed every time I pass by this page, but I still think it's an improvement. Anyway, this isn't what the "weasel word" thing is about at Wikipedia. There, you're a weasel when you try to insinuate your POV into a neutral article — "It could be argued that Enterprise bears certain similarities to Hitler" or whatever. Here, it's a matter of two PO Vs clashing; neither one has the right of way. I figure it's better to compromise than just overwrite the offending passage. But whatever. Now that I've actually aired all this, I doubt it'll bug me as much. Somebody can replace my item with "Your shows are bad and you should feel bad" if he wants. I won't argue. I'll just strike this article from my personal canon. Tanto: Zeke, you need to stop taking everything so personally. In all likelihood — and he can speak for himself if I'm wrong — Ununnilium's comments above didn't have anything to do with your edits — that's why he separated them with a line, to indicate he was moving on to another line of discussion. Many tropes are born from diverging trains of thought in the discussion pages, so you need to chill. Ununnilium: Indeed. Though, really, I should've put it on You Know That Thing Where. Zeke: How DARE you call me overly sensitive, Tanto? I will never forgive you. Seriously though, point taken. I don't think it was unreasonable for me to get that impression, but I did overreact. Lale: The new Spiderman one looks more like Bellisarios Maxim. Ununnilium: We need more details on that one. Waaaaaay too vague. Later: Cutting it, because the details are so vague that the point is missed.
Lale: Let's try not to list every little part of a franchise more than one person online happens to dislike. Dis Continuity is more drastic than that. Lord Seth: I actually deleted a section of the examples for that; it was literally nothing more than the individual editor listing what they considered canon/not cannon of Star Trek. Morgan Wick: "Lord Seth"? Is that like Seth's Evil Twin? Lale: "Any faction" does not equal "an entire faction of the fandom." Picking and choosing the pairings you like is Shipping, not Dis Continuity. as for the listing of my personal canon, i'm surprised that it lasted as long as it did, i figured it would be deleted within an hour or so Ununnilium: Turning down the ARRRR FANRAGE. Later: Taking this out, since it goes way into unecessary detail: "The Alien films can be taken as a solid trilogy if the directors cut of Alien3 is accepted. This editor likes the atmosphere of the third Alien movie as it has similarities to the first movie (darkness, claustrophobic locale, death lurks around every corner, protagonists have to use their wits to survive, except that this time everyone dies). But yeah Alien 4 was beneath contempt. " Also, I'm not sure the Code Geass one should be where it is, "inspired by" or not. Later: Moving it. Don Boy: I think there should be a distinction between Dis Continuity and the more common decay-related situation where the latter X installments, or seasons, of something are just considered too poor to bother with. What's interesting about Dis Con is that it's the removal of a relatively small amount of continuity from the middle of an otherwise-intact continuity, so that you buy into the concept of continuity with respect to the post-Dis Con event, but you patch around what would be otherwise included. By contrast, writing off, say, Alien Resurrection, only requires you to not watch that movie, because nothing else depends on it. Qit el-Remel: Jim Valentino doesn't acknowledge Guardians of the Galaxy after a certain point. Ditto Greg Weisman and Gargoyles (he's stated that The Goliath Chronicles—with the exception of the part where us Angela/Broadway 'shippers got our way—is not canon). Considering that the individuals in question were at some point in charge of the venues in question, I'm curious as to whether or not this counts.
Rina: Just saying - I don't really get why people don't like the third Pirates Of The Caribbean movie. Then again, I'm one of those people who love random chaos, so maybe it's the need for the movie to actually make sense. Seth: For me it was the final reminder, yes this is made by Disney. You could almost forget it in the first, overlook it in the second but the third - not so much. Etrangere: Loved the third movie as well (and the second, although that one was uneven). You've gotta dig a Disney which leaves the main couple permanently separated for most of their life. And I feel free to disregard the Word Of God on that one. Zeke: They were all fun popcorn movies (so to speak; I don't actually like popcorn). I liked 3 the least because it went the furthest in making the pirates the good guys. Elizabeth Swann became completely uninteresting, just a standard-issue "OMG strong woman" character. (Making her the Pirate King was just ridiculous.) And dammit, I didn't want a Downer Ending. Why in the world does Jack deserve to be happier than Will and Elizabeth? Sikon: Took out Stargate Infinity and the Face of Boe "revelation" because the former is explicitly designated non-canon (and thus there's nothing to mentally write out of canon) and the latter is not a revelation, merely a possibility, which may or may not be true. Burai: Removed ...
Ununnilium: Taking out:
Fabu Vinny: I'm removing "everything after Johto League Champions isn't real" from the Pokémon example since popular opinion is that the "Johto Journies" and "Johto League Champions" seasons were the worst the show got. Cassius335: Nice to have a fellow Bulbapedian on here. Willy Four Eyes: It looks like our lovely Dis Continuity page is about to reach critical mass. Do you think it's time to break this one up, just like we did for the Trope Namers and Title Bin pages? Bob I suggest splitting the article between Fanon Dis Continuity and Canon Dis Continuity. We could just create a new article like Canon Noncanonity and move the examples at the bottom of the page there. Cassius335: Making Money Dis-Continued? Why, Wily, why? SynjoDeonecros: Whoever wrote that Shaolin Monks is an Alternate Continuity version of Mortal Kombat II....when was that established? Kung Lao's rivalry with Liu Kang from Shaolin Monks became canon in Kung Lao's ending of Armageddon, and commentary from Ed Boon specifically mentions that the death trap in the Reptile's Lair stage of Armageddon (which would've had the big snake head in the background coming alive and eating the opponent) was taken out, because the snake is the "corpse" of the giant serpent you killed in Shaolin Monks, and apparently Disney Death isn't given to such a small character. Peteman: Star Wars EU stuff: Amongst my friends, IG-88 taking over the Death Star DID NOT HAPPEN. Most of us also agree that the galaxy was not invaded by a proud warrior race of extragalactic technophobes. FuzzyWulfe: Removed "It would be even better if we pretended the first book didn't exist either" from the Sword of Truth entry. Pretty much for the same reason Burai gave above. It's just sniping. Charred Knight: Removing some of the flame bait about FMA, I can understand not liking one (I felt the anime was well animated and decently written considering the circumstances just compare it to the Gonzo Hellsing anime) but those last two parts where just trying to start a flame war. Looney Toons: Removed the following incipient flame war from the House example cascade:
, that's your own lookout, but it subtracts from any hope you have of gaining respect as a contributor here.
Andrew Carlssin: "If one pretends that the Alien series ended with part two, and that there was only one Jaws movie, both franchises seem a lot better in every respect." — It is my belief that the next "Alien" movie will begin with Ripley and Newt waking up and revealing that Aliens 3, 4 and vs Predator were all dreams Ripley had while in cryo-sleep. Shire Nomad: Bob, just got to that episode of Code Geass, came in here intending to add it, and discovered you were well ahead of me. Bob: Glad to hear I'm not the only one prefering the cushier side of the Sliding Scale Of Idealism Versus Cynicism. Seriously, that episode is terrifying. The mass Freak Out and Cliffhanger doesn't really help either. Shire Nomad: Prefer? Not so much. I started watching the show knowing it wouldn't be about puppies. But that bit... I don't want to ignore it because I think it was crappy writing (far from it!), I want to ignore it because dangit, the writers got me to care about these people! Bob: That is how I meant to say it. After watching the series you want to see those people have a happy ending. But to have the situation set up like that and then just suddenly... I can't say that it's bad writing. Well, I could, but I'd be lying. That's why I referenced the Mystery Science Theater 3000 example. It's not bad writing, it's just a Downer Ending which had the potential to not be a Downer Ending. Ununnilium:
Also, FFX-2's hints that it and X are prequels to VII... It's just gotten less of an outcry 'cause fewer people were still paying attention at the end, AND the links were spoken by the resident Wesley...
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All of Laurell K. Hamilton's subsequent books were written by a pod person who refuses to produce good writing in order to feed her obsession with bad sex and living out her fantasies of sleeping with as many men as physically possible through Anita. Grumble. That plane went down in flames. Hey, hey — no personal insults at the creators, 'k?
Ununnilium: Even later:
Tanto: Fire Emblem 4 and 5 have been left out of Smash Brothers because they've never been released outside of Japan, and Smash Brothers is a global series. Marth's an exception because he's the iconic FE hero (and besides, he'll be in FE11 anyway, so it's a non-issue). Other than that, there are no Japan-only characters in Brawl — why would Sigurd or whoever be an exception? I'm taking it out. Charred Knight: Lucas from Mothers 3 is Japan only Tanto: Eh. Well. Still. My point remains valid. Sigurd's not in Brawl because he's just not a very popular or known character outside of FE fandom, not because Nintendo hates him or something. Rakath: Eh... [[Spoiler: Sigurd, while popular, dies halfway through the game, his son is the more 'correct' main lord for the Fourth Game. And he is nowhere near his father in popularity.]] Leaf and the Fifth game are rather unloved. The fact that Fire Emblem 2 got music in Brawl is surprising in itself, its one of the least loved games. Fire Emblem itself is one of the lesser known series (even if it is long running and an older series) so it got less representation. Sigurd is more a victim of "Why use him, we have this new guy" in that Ike got amazing love in the fan community. Peteman: In the new Avatar Discontinuity section, are they talking about "The Waterbending Master" or "The Deserter"? I am a bit confused over the Avatar bit: what exactly are we refusing to acknowledge regarding Firebending? Charred Knight: From what I heard its for the episode The Firebending Masters or something like that which apparently contains some retcons, some information that makes little sense, and a very Hoy Ya moment. Gloating Swine: There's not really anything retconned, there's some new interpretations added to things that we had already been told, and a bit of explanation for something we didn't know. I also haven't noticed any tendency to regard the episode as Dis Continuity among the Avatar community, mostly because only people in Canada or of buccaneer tendencies have seen it yet. Charred Knight: Their should be more to Dis Continuity than one person didn't like it, I don't want to wake up and see that someone decided that Return of theKing didn't happen because the Shelob fight was in their instead of The Two Towers. In case you're wondering I just saw someone who doesn't believe Spider-man 2 doesn't exist, and I just can't understand it. How the hell can any Spider-man not love Spider-man 2, its got a brilliant plot, everyone is well characterized, and Doctor Octopus is a much more interesting character than he is in the comics. Tanto: I generally concur, but you'll never enforce it. Ununnilium: I definitely agree, but... Tanto: Most of the Subjective Tropes have grown beyond a reasonable size, really. (Of course, that's my own subjective opinion.) I Am Not Making This Up has become my first instance of TV Tropes Dis Continuity, because it's just so stupid and it's on every fucking page. People have come up with dumb stuff; I get it. It's really hard to shock me at this point. Ununnilium: God I know what you mean. Oy. Editing down Nightmare Fuel to a reasonable size and subtroping it gave me a migraine, and I often just cut I Am Not Making This Up refs. Charred Knight: Could we stop it with the {{INSERT SERIES NAME HERE}} exist? No way! It doesn't make the series look bad it makes the fan look bad for hating it for no apparent reason. Also could someone who has seen Power Rangers tell me why the hell you hate this Bruce Kalish guy? From the little I have seen, the plot, is a hell of a lot better than it was when it was on Fox Kids. I just edited a bunch of entries to flesh them out and clipped the Spider-man movie entries to remove things that don't count as Dis Continuity. This is not for things you personally don't like. This is for things the fandom does not like. I personally find Evangelion to be a boring pretentious piece of crap. I don't post it here because the general conssensus is that that the fandom believes its a masterpiece. Willy Four Eyes: *facepalm* Some mysterious troper went apewire a few hours ago. Come on...JFK the current president? I'm calling troll edit. Man Called True: *chainsaw edit* Work complete! Tanto: Meta Knight... mute? No. Bullshit. Meta Knight has lines in "Meta Knight's Revenge", for Christ's sake! Donomni: I think the original poster of that meant an actual speaking voice, not really sure. I just kept it in there for the sake of, well, keeping it in there. Noone should ever ignore Kirby Super Star. To do so would be massive fail. Goddamn multiple edits. Fast Eddie: Got this through the contact page ....
That Other 1 Dude: The thing about the "The Firebending Masters" in Avatar would be considered a Retcon as they even mentioned Jeong Jeong in the episode (even if "The Deserter" was ignored completely, that would be a Canon Discontinuity), which is itself debatable. Zeke: Removed this comment about the ENT novel The Good That Men Do:
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Willy Four Eyes: Gah! So much Word Cruft to snip. Anybody else want to aid me in merging some of the "conversational" Dis Continuity points? Like this "bit" from the Command And Conquer section:
Sikon: I agree Mai-Otome Zwei is silly, but I never saw anyone pretend it didn't exist. At least on AnimeSuki, nobody thinks it's that bad. Willy Four Eyes: Fair enough. For some reason, the name came up in a search for "discontinuity" on this wiki, even though it wasn't wiki-worded in the actual article. Feel free to zap it. Black Humor: See Cut List. Lale: The site would be better off without this "trope." Fire Walk: While it's gotten far out of hand (and I wouldn't really miss it too much if it did get burned), I'd see the point if it meant something other than "I didn't like it". So if you could Dis Continuity parts of works for things like Doing In The Wizard, or turning a Bitter Sweet Ending into a Schmaltzy Deus Ex Machina, or nullifying a Heroic Sacrifice, maybe. And that might even be interesting to read rather than a lot of "X never got made, LOL". Tanto: I remember when this page had about a dozen examples. Ah, simpler times. Nuke it, please. It's long since ceased to serve a purpose except for a) giving people a place to vent, and b) giving people a dumb joke to make. Dae Khar El: What's all this talk of deleting the page? Remind me where on the page people are venting or making dumb jokes? Oh, that's right, nowhere. You're talking about the example pages. Go ahead and nuke those if you like, but Dis Continuity is a significant real-life trope. People DO cut things out of "personal canon", whether for good or bad reasons, and to delete the page is just to deny that such a thing happens. The examples pages may be out of control, but the examples given on the pages of actual series, books etc. aren't, and having all of those become dead links just because you don't like the way people overuse the trope's example pages hardly seems fair, does it? If you don't like it, then don't read it. No-one's forcing you to. Just because you'd like to write the Dis Continuity page out of your personal canon doesn't give you the right to impose your view on all the rest of us. (Are you guys seriously suggesting cutting Dis Continuity? If I'm misunderstanding something here, apologies for the rant, but that's the way it looks to me.) Lale: Yes, I am suggesting cutting it all because:
Someguy: Now that the complaining examples have been nuked, why is this still marked as a subjective trope? Cliche: Just because a fandom agrees on discontinuity doesn't necessarily mean everyone does. Steve the Pocket: Would the last line from this comic  ◊, possible converted into an animated GIF, be a fitting page image?
Occono: would it be okay to create Discontinuity/Discontinuity? I can think of a few examples where people changed their minds about previous Discontinuity, and now don't talk about once having thatn Discontinuity. biznizz: On the Comic Book section of Discontinuity, can I add this: Note 3: If fan consensus chooses to discontinue continuity on a title or what have you after a certain point and it still goes on for a long time, it doesn't go here. That is what Ruined FOREVER is for. The_Nerd: k9feline2 is a really annoying person on the Comics page. Actually, she is a dirty, whiny cunt. |
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