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Adaptation Decay Discussion
Hey, what's wrong with the MGS novelisation quote as a page quote? It's a perfect example of the horrible, horrible things that happen in adaptation. Does it need more explanation of the utter missing of the point?
Saying that the practice of changing character names and all around censoring anime is "far from dead" is very misleading, considering that almost every anime licensed by American companies are released only in uncensored DVD format, and the dubs almost always go for getting the same idea across in the way that sounds most natural in English. It mostly happens to little kid's shows.


Didn't Uncle Toms Cabin use to be on here? And where would it go, anyway?

How the heck is Tarzan not included here? He was degraded from a downright superhuman immortal that spoke perfect English and had encyclopedic knowledge despite being reared in the remote jungle in the novels to a pidgin speaking ape-man in most adaptations.


To be completely fair, Conan Doyle did sow some seeds which might have contributed to the destruction of Watson. In a number of the stories written after The Valley of Fear, especially 'His Last Bow' (which is the only story in the canon not written in first person), Conan Doyle wrote Watson as uncharacteristically obtuse, much in the style that would later become the popular perceptioin. I personally got a strange sense of the author having built up a kind of resentment towards Watson in those last stories, but that might just be my imagination.

Bluetooth The Pirate: Watson bore an uncanny resemblance to Doyle himself, in background at least. IF Doyle resented Watson, it may be linked to the fact that towards the end of his career, he resented himself. But that's just armchair psychology. Ununnilium: What do you call it when the premise changes *within* a show to get rid of its more unique elements? For example, Digimon Frontier, the fourth season of Digimon, lost the "Digimon partners" aspect, making it into a more generic sentai show.

Andyzero: I know what you mean, Chibi, but I'm not sure that's a good example. Technically, Digimon Frontier was a different series. Like how Digimon Tamers was a different series than Digimon Adventure, despite being called "Season 3."

Ununnilium: Point. How about the Mega Man Battle Network anime (I refuse to refer to it as "NT Warrior"), which did something similar in eliminating the "partner" aspect and having the two merge whenever there was a battle?

Ununnilium: ..."the entire Marvel and DC universes"? Huh? `.`

FurrySaint: I think they mean the way they've been changed because of TV shows and movies. And vice versa.

Ununnilium: That's not the same thing, though. I'm takin' it out.

Ununnilium: People, please. Do not make an example in the form "Any X, ever". First of all, it just isn't true; every generalization has an exception. (Yes, even that one.) Second, it doesn't illustrate the entry any.

Ununnilium: Weirdly enough, the monster in the Spider Man clip looks sort of like the Thing.

Ununnilium: I don't know about the Hitchhiker's example. I don't think it's "worse" so much as "different".

YYZ: Re-edited the re-edit of the Starship Troopers reference. It was not only ungrammatical, but sounded too much like a defense of the movie at Heinlein's expense; I replaced it with something on a more even keel.
  • By which I mean it wasn't a neutral entry anymore - I didn't see the point of the edit, unless the point was to say that movies that take the mickey out of the book they're based on don't count as Adaptation Decay.

Space Ace: Isn't Adaptation Decay an unintentional product? I mean, I wouldn't say that kind of satire is any sort of decay. Mean and underhanded, perhaps, but not decay.

And to be fair, the original entry was as far from neutral as you can get without coming round the other side. It was a Mobile Infantry sobstory if I ever saw one.

Looney Toons: Adaptation Decay can be either unintentional or intentional. Deliberate changes — such as the kind Disney often imposes on properties it licenses — are clearly adaptation decay.

Silent Hunter: Quick point about The Spy Who Loved Me- Fleming didn't like the novel very much and when selling the rights only permitted the title to be used.

Man Called True: I see someone isn't a Roger Moore fan... Given that there are a million places to cite as a low point (see: the number of fans that like to forget Dalton ever existed), focusing the spotlight on him is probably unfair.

WLO: The My-Otome anime was adapted from the manga, not vice versa. The date of the release of the manga's first chapter is mentioned on the official site, with Wiki having a link to said page. Aforementioned date precedes the anime's first episode. Ergo, entry on this page has it the wrong way around. I'm not sure how to correct it, though...

Fast Eddie: Same way you entered your comment here. Go to the page, press 'edit page' and make the fix.
Burai: I would recommend striking ...
The Adventures of Ichabod & Mr. Toad (inexplicably combining The Wind in the Willows and The Legend of Sleepy Hollow)
... as, to my memory, it "combines" them in the sense of an anthology (separate, independent productions packaged together back to back) rather than any kind of blend as the text currently implies. (They may be individually decayed for other reasons, but co-distribution would not, in itself, be decay). But then, it has been at least 20 years since I last saw the thing. Can anyone either second or refute my observations?

Charred Knight: seconded, it was an anthology, that combined two short specials. While I have never seen the Disney adaption of Sleepy Hallow since the Headless Horseman scared the crap out of me as a kid. I can safely say that at no point does Ichabod Crane or the Headless Horseman appear in the "Wind in the Willows" . After double checking on Wikipedia. I can safely say that this is not a major adaption decay as can be seen here so I removed it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventures_of_Ichabod_and_Mr._Toad
Marionette: There's a nice example of Adaptation Decay in one issue of Catwoman which features a disguised Harley Quinn pitching an idea for a Catwoman TV show to Network executives, which they progressively rework until it bears no resemblance to the original. The wit is so sharp that it's easy to infer that it is written from personal experience.
Eno: Apologies if my rather overly-detailed entries on video game to television adaptions is either too long and obstructive or if it doesn't fit into this category... This was the only place I really thought it did.

Wasn't the second Sonic cartoon based on the Archie comics version of Sonic the Hedgehog and not the game?

Some Guy: Nope, the second cartoon was its own creation. The Archie comic was actually somewhat based on the first wackier cartoon before drawing influence from the second cartoon and growing progressively more serious while gradually moving into its own continuity.


Charred Knight: I didn't know where Disgea should go (it's a crappy anime adaptation of a game) so I just put it into the anime part.
Willy Four Eyes: De-Thread Moding and rewriting the entry on the Mai-HiME project, as discussion appeared to be going into a Stable Time Loop. Old discussion preserved here for posterity's sake:

  • The Mai-Otome manga can hardly even be called an adaptation of its anime counterpart, except for the setting and characters — and even then, it's Character Derailment galore. (Mashiro is a boy impersonating the supposedly-dead real Princess Mashiro, who is his twin sister unknown to him. Arika is already a Garderobe student when the story begins, and is The Ditz instead of the Naive Newcomer. Nagi dies in a Heroic Sacrifice. The characters meet their resurrected Mai-HiME counterparts... The list goes on.)
    • This was intentional, as Sunrise doesn't want the Mai franchise to be all the same. Sunrise comes up with a setting and characters, then the writers of the anime, and the writer of the manga tell completely different stories using those characters. The mangas are generally more Fanservice oriented (including a special Hentai chapter), and are a harem series whereas the anime is a yuri series.
    • At this point, it is probably fair to note that the Otome manga actually started publication first. Also, this inclusion is likely to be disputed, given that some fans prefer the manga.
      • Even if the anime started airing later, it was still the manga which was based on the anime, not the other way round.
      • No, it's not. They were both given the same concept, and went with them independently. Neither is an adaptation of either. Thus it is literally not an adaptation, nor was it meant to be.

J Random User: I think the Sweeney Todd entry should be pulled. "Current actor does not play the role/look exactly like the first actor' does not Adaptation Decay make.

Charred Knight: It's a Pragmatic Adaptation the look of the character is not important to the story, and the movie is not worse for it. An Adaptation Decay is something that is clearly worse.


Charred Knight: In terms of accuracy the Street Fighter american TV series blows the American movie right out of the water. Dee Jay is good, Balrog is evil, Ryu scars Sagat in a flashback, Ryu isn't a slime ball(his just their). Bison brainwashes Cammy (a reference to her hinted plotline in Street Fighter 2), and her fellow troops from MI6 appear. Hell they even have the boss from the first Final Fight show up in a wheel chair.

Caswin: On that note, removing the line "Bison has only one good line in the entire series." Having actually browsed a fan-page devoted to the show (and various others; it's really quite a good site), I can attest that he has more than one good line.


Prfnoff: Removed the My Fair Lady example, as it was more about a Revised Ending than anything (and Lerner didn't even invent it, though he wholeheartedly preferred it to Shaw's original ending).
Looney Toons: Sorry, thatother1dude, but I am enamoured of my own verbiage, and have replaced the phrase "mutant Disney offspring" in the example citing Mary Poppins and Bedknobs and Broomsticks. It's been there since I created this article three years ago, and unless you're a shill for Disney, there's no real need to change it. It's not like a correction or an expansion, after all.
CA Lieber: Weirdest complaint of this I've ever seen: a syndicated columnist who complained that Kindle editions don't measure up to the hard copies.

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OK, to whoever is trying to defend the KH 2 Novels as not being Adaptation Decay; do I really have to point out everything that's wrong with them? Believe me, it's a hefty list.

Scenes in the novels INSPIRED Nomura, who was an editor, nothing more and nothing less, to add scenes in Final Mix. But he NEVER confirmed the novels were canon; link to an interview where he said so and I'll believe you, but otherwise, it's bullshit. Stuff in the novels themselves indicate that it's NOT canon (Ex: Saix fights Riku in Ansem form during the main story and knows full well that he's Riku. In the game, when Riku appears in the World That Never Was, Saix is surprised because he thought ROXAS had killed him during their original fight.)

Last Note: If you're not even going to use propper spelling or grammar, then please don't bother editing your entry back, or otherwise I'll just have to think of you as a troll. The entry doesn't make sense anyway. "If you read the novels, you don't have to play Final Mix"?! Riiight, because you can fight Organization data battles, Terra, the 13 Mushrooms, etc. in the novels, or do all the rest of the stuff not relating to scenes.


Trogga: Is this really subjective?

Nobodymuch: Since most people would not agree that removing the rape of a coma victim from Sleeping Beauty was a change for the worse, yes it is subjective.


Cliche: Since I haven't received a proper justification for its inclusion for, er, long enough, it's off to purgatory!


Ryanasaurus0077: I think that Half Blood Prince's PG rating earns it a special mention on this page. I read the books and half expected this one (and both parts of Deathly Hallows, once THEY get rated) to be rated R, a VERY hard PG-13 at the VERY LEAST. After all, you can't have Deathly Hallows without an instance of "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!" inserted during the final battle.


Twin Bird: Does the Pastel Defender Heliotrope example strike anyone else as shoehorning in the extreme?


It's not inevitable that the story will be changed when adapted to another medium. Just look at the movie version of Inkheart.
Vampire Buddha: Took a chainsaw to the page (18:03 GMT, 17/5/2009)

    Irrelevant 

    Natter 

    Non-examples 


BritBllt: Okay Vampire Buddha, I don't know what book you've been reading, but it clearly wasn't Mary Shelly's Frankenstein if you think the Monster was a slow, dim-witted gentle giant in it. Here's a random quote:

"I expected this reception," said the daemon. "All men hate the wretched; how, then, must I be hated, who am miserable beyond all living things! Yet you, my creator, detest and spurn me, thy creature, to whom thou art bound by ties only dissoluble by the annihilation of one of us. You purpose to kill me. How dare you sport thus with life? Do your duty towards me, and I will do mine towards you and the rest of mankind. If you will comply with my conditions, I will leave them and you at peace; but if you refuse, I will glut the maw of death, until it be satiated with the blood of your remaining friends."

Putting the example back on the page.


What about the King Arthur stories? changes all the way from combining the sword in the stone, which is Exactly What It Says On The Tin, with Exaclibur, which he got from the lady in the lake, and the adaptation decay in the TV show, {Merlin}, which includes, but is not limited to, Making Merlin have an age similar to that of King Arthur.
  • Adaptation Decay means the adaptation is worse, or deeply different. Changing the details isn't what this is about.


Eponymous Kid: Look, all I'm saying is that I don't see what's wrong with an underwater adventure in Star Trek that can't be said about every underwater adventure ever. There's underwater shit in Star Wars. The Teen Titans go underwater sometimes without people complaining that the show isn't about water it's about superheroes.

I mean, come on. Next you're going to tell me any time they go down to the planet they're betraying the premise by not contantly trekking across the stars.

Matthew The Raven: You can take it out if you want to. Just don't bitch about it in the trope description and mock the person who put it there.

Eponymous Kid: Right, sorry. Just, it's frustrating. Because, true fact: Most episodes of Star Trek, you're lucky to see fifteen total seconds of actual stars and little to no actual trekking, because episodes only happen when the ship's progress is impeded or a crisis occurs. So, oh shit, since TOS, there has been as little trekking or stars as possible on that show. Just saying.
Tsunde Ray: What about adaptations of a game from one platform to another that are decay, but aren't necessarily Porting Disasters? As in, the port is still somewhat good, but it's missing some features from the source material? Thunder Force II, for instance, got ported from the Sharp X68000 to the Mega Drive, and lost a stage, some graphical effects, and the map feature in the process. For an example anyone might care about, there's the NES version of Donkey Kong, which is missing the 75m sub-level.


Tnu1138:I’ve noticed some issues with the two page quotes here on this entry they seem to fit less in the field of Adaptation Decay and more along the lines of Recursive Adaptation and Character Derailment respectively


Doom Tay: I'm worried this will get applied to things where the source material has little plot to begin with. For example, say you wanted to make a film based on Knights Of Cydonia or some other Concept Video. You'd have to put a plot that originally spanned a few minutes into a two-hour film, and you have no other material to refer to. This means you have to make stuff up to make the length, and as much as you want to, you most likely can't consult the original artist/video maker. So no matter how much you care, you will have things that are not present in the source material, and people will still accuse the work with Adaptation Decay. Anyone disagree?

Tnu1138: the concepts you mention seerm to be more befitting of Adaptation Expansion and Pragmatic Adaptation