A Man Is Not A Virgin Discussion - Television Tropes & Idioms

Lale: The page title brought to mind for me the issue of how chaste women used to chiefly be referred to as "virgins" with no male equivalent of "virgin." (Maybe that's still how it is- not sure.) Suggesting a name change- Real Men Have Sex?

HasherBritarse You are right, of course. 'Virgin' derives from the a Latin term Vir for man (as in virility and virtue). Technically it means 'One who has never had a man' and refers to a chaste woman, however it is a common term of disparagement for a sexually inexperienced male, see the examples quoted in the original entry.

Citizen: Hey, I learned something new. But the usage of the word has changed, so no need to rename this trope just for that.

Ununnilium: It's not even disparagement anymore; it's just the accepted term nowadays for someone of either gender who hasn't had sex.

Also: Andrew had a sex life in the Bicentennial Man movie? When? O.o

Morgan Wick: I once read that "virgin" actually once meant a merely unmarried woman, although back in the days when premarital sex was taboo like you wouldn't believe, that would be pretty much the same thing.

Kizor: Ununnilium, as often as he could for a while once he could. Probably towards the 3/4 mark.

Ununnilium: Huh. I gotta rewatch that.

Solandra: This entry gave me an idea for an Expected Romance or Obligatory Love Interest entry. Basically, a love interest is dropped into a plot that allows little time for romance — i.e. in action and disaster movies, etc. — simply to start a romance with the main character. He or she's there only to show that the hero or heroine can still have arm candy when taking a break from fighting, conspiring, whatever. The romance is shallow and forgettable (not even the major focus of the plot); it's only there to appeal to the widest demographic or just because everyone expects the hero to have a healthy sexual life nowadays. (points to title)

What does anyone else think? Is it different enough to merit its own entry?

Ununnilium: I say yes. We've seen this in all kinds of movies (and it is, indeed, mostly a Film Trope, IMHO).

Solandra: Done! Filed under Token Romance in the Film category.

zinfandel: "As was explained in the movie, to have an extraordinary physical and emotional experience with someone that he loved. The scene has a short but very moving rundown of the whole concept of making love as opposed to just having sex .... he was seeking a higher understanding of something he understood to be extraordinary."

This has to be the most time and thought anyone has ever devoted, or could possibly devote to the film Bicentennial Man.

Grimace: Objection! I didn't write that entry, but love the movie and think that the entry is a nice little paragraph. Just fyi >;~)

What of Maison Ikkoku? No mention is made of the protagonist's love life, and he's probably a virgin at the start, but he loses it in the end.

Quillain: I removed:

though he's its not explictly mentioned that he isn't a virgin. (Admittedly, part of this may be the difficulty in thinking of Nicolas Cage as a virgin.)

from the Wicker Man example; he fathered a kid, so that seems to settle the virgin/not virgin debate.

Cliche: I added My Guy Is A Slut as a redirect, but I don't know how to do the alt. title thing.

Lee: I'm taking this out of the Code Geass entry: although his motivations for such may not have been entirely pure.

No matter how much of a joke it may be with the fandom, Lelouch is not incestuous in canon.

And I'm offering this up for a defense, but not deleting it totally:

Though it is a game, Tohno Shiki from Tsukihime turns out to not be virgin at the beginning of the game and is one of the three characters in the cast to not be virgins. He actually lost his virginity at quite a young age; however, he is not a man-whore(player).

Where in the world is this stated?

slb: Removed the following from Wicker Man for natter:

As much of a spaz his character is in that movie, I'd believe it.
Except for the daughter...

I might have also removed the first reply about the 2006 remake, but I felt it was a valid subversion.

Barutu: The troper that wrote the bit for the Hitman movie wrote that because 47 refused on a woman's advances, this sparked the discussion that he's gay. While I left the sentence intact, I removed a link: the word gay linked to All Men Are Perverts. Even if it was meant as a joke, which I don't think, I still considered it rude and unfunny.

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