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Literature: The Anglo/American – Nazi War
aka: Anglo American Nazi War
An Alternate History in which World War II grinds to a stalemate following the defeat of the Soviet Union. By the time that full-scale fighting resumes in the early 1950s, the Third Reich has had the opportunity to implement much of its manifesto. A very different war resumes in a very different Europe to put it mildly.

Read it here (or here without readers' comments).

Contains examples of:

  • A Nazi by Any Other Name: How the Western Allies come to view the French and, later, the New Homeland youth movement.
  • The Alliance: During the titular war, Brazil, India, and the Vietnamese play important roles alongside the US and UK in Europe. Post-war, the Alliance is codified as the Atomic Four (A4): America, the UK, Australia, and Canada. The A4's snub towards India causes it to become a peaceful rival for global influence.
  • Allohistorical Allusion: The most controversial topic of Harry Truman's presidency is his decision to not drop the A-Bomb on Japan. (The remnants of the NKVD had managed to convince the Nazis that A-Bombs were not possible, and so the US didn't dare demonstrate otherwise to the Nazis until it was too late for the Nazis to develop their own nukes.)
  • Alternate History: The Nazis stalemate World War II... for a while.
  • The Berserker: Some of the more fanatical Waffen-SS troops approach this, particularly those recruited from the Hitler Youth.
  • Black and Grey Morality: Although the Allies' greyness is very pale in comparison to the pitch-blackness of the Reich. The morality of the Allies in the postwar world is open to a little more debate.
    • The description of what the Nazis do to Europe once they've won the 1939-1943 war is terrifying and worse, all of it is what they planned to do in real life.
  • Break Out the Museum Piece: The Nazis do this after realizing they are going to lose the war, using obsolete or captured tanks.
  • Cannon Fodder: The Reich's attitude towards the soldiers conscripted from its client states.
  • Child Soldiers: Towards the end, the Reich resorts to drafting the Hitler Youth into the Waffen-SS.
  • Conditioned to Accept Horror: The Western Allies are entirely willing to inflict massive civilian casualties in order to avoid anything that might lead to WWIII. For instance, they kill 275,000 people in Stettin because they're rebelling in order to reunite Germany and the Allies are convinced, judging by what happened last time, that a reunited Germany will start World War III, leading to hundreds of millions of people dead.
  • Cool Train: Post-war, the United States invests a great deal of money into creating a transcontinental maglev transit system for itself, Canada, and Mexico. This was done to develop and refine the technology needed for a mass driver, which offered the benefits of cheap space flight and a Moon-based kinetic bombardment weapon system.
  • Crapsack World and A World Half Full: Continental Europe is salted and burned during this timeline's titular war, with its cultural heritage intentionally destroyed by the retreating Nazis, and Japan suffers famine and depopulation from the protracted Pacific War. And God help you if you made the poor choice to be born in what used to be Germany. However, large parts of the rest of the world are better off than our own. An unpartitioned India is the world's largest economy, while South America is much more politically stable with Brazil and Argentina being first-world economies. Open wars are less common due to the threat of A4 intervention, genocides are prevented, and Africa is less prone to civil wars and famines. China avoided the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution... but is a population time bomb and a political mess.
  • Deadly Gas: As in real life, Hitler didn't like it ever since he was exposed to it in the battlefields of World War I, but unfortunately Acting Führer Himmler is rather fond of using it.
  • Dirty Communists: With the implosion of the Soviet Union during World War II, communism isn't feared that much anymore.
  • Disproportionate Retribution: The A4's postwar philosophy to war and non-A4 sanctioned space launches.
    • During the war, Himmler's response to Italy's defection from the Axis.
  • Expanded States of America: The Russian Far East becomes the US state of West Alaska, because the Soviet Union has collapsed into anarchy.
  • Failure Is the Only Option: Nothing that Vyacheslav Molotov could possibly have done would have saved the Soviet Union.
  • Final Solution: Almost fully implemented. The total number of surviving European Jews is in the low four figures.
  • For Want of a Nail: Hitler, in a moment of clarity, decides invading North Africa would be a bad idea. So the 250,000 Axis troops who would have been used up in the Axis' doomed campaign in North Africa ended up at the Battle of Stalingrad… so the Nazis, not the Soviets, won. So this leads to the Nazis defeating the Soviet Union in 1943.
  • Generation Gap: By the 2000s, European teens in the former Reich protest the unfairness of them being held to account for the crimes of their grandparents. When the Prussian wing of this movement makes an armed bid for independence and reunification, they convince the A4 to bomb them from orbit.
  • From Bad to Worse: Repeatedly. Especially for the Soviet Union. And poor, poor Poland.
  • Hand Wave: The author willingly admits that the Reich's victory over the Soviet Union is a bit of a stretch, even given Stalin's enraged purge of his generals after losing at Stalingrad. But there'd be no story otherwise, so...
  • He Who Fights Monsters: It's open for discussion whether the A4 post-war have themselves become monsters. At the very least, they've become extremely cynical. The author himself has described the A4 as nanny-style dictators in both the best and worst senses. Author's ending words: "Is safety, security and peace worth having a nanny watching you all the time?" A lot of people's answer to the A4's use of "peaceful authority" on the rest of the planet has the gist of Benjamin Franklin's warning: "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."
    • The Allies are at their nastiest when, after the Nazis unleash bioweapons and chemical weapons on Britain and kill tens of thousands of people, the British respond with a MASSIVE attack of anthrax on Berlin and Nuremberg. Afterwards, it's estimated that those cities won't be inhabitable for centuries.
  • I Love Nuclear Power: With the lack of nuclear taboo combined with a desire to maintain a domestic reserve of oil in the event of another major war, the US and its allies embrace nuclear power.
  • If I Can't Have You: The Nazis destroy culturally-significant cities, including Paris, in preference to them falling into Allied hands. Paris' destruction is so complete that, post-war, the French capital is moved to Lyon.
  • It's Personal: The 2nd (Free Polish) Fusiliers regiment. When faced with the 53rd SS Grenadiers, they unsurprisingly gave the Nazis no quarter.
    Most importantly the 2nd’s troops were not engaged in the same war as their allies; they were engaged in a Holy Crusade against those who had massacred their entire people.
  • Monumental Damage: In their retreat from occupied Europe, the Nazis deliberately target landmarks and other cultural artifacts for destruction so as to deprive postwar Europe of its cultural heritage.
  • Nuke 'Em: After the Saint Patrick's Day Bombings, the US and UK decide against immediately counterattacking the Reich with nukes because there's no guarantee it will defeat them and, worse, might give the Reich enough time to develop their own nukes before an invasion can be put together. Eventually, once the Western Allies do start nuking the Reich, their fears about a lack of surrender are proven right. Thankfully it's too late for the Nazis to develop their own bombs.
  • Nuclear Weapons Taboo: Thoroughly averted in-universe. Nuclear weapons aren't treated as overly special weapons, and radiation doesn't gain the aura of danger it does OTL in the popular imagination. Their future development and use is, however, restricted by fiat to A4 members, although India maintains her own stockpile as a deterrent.
  • Tank Goodness: The Chamberlain tank certainly qualifies.
    • To put in context, during the liberation of France 14 Chamberlains were employed by the 26th Tank Battalion to rout an SS tank group three times their size with only minor damage to one tank's tracks. Said tank still scored 26 kills.
    • Also keep in mind that at this time, the Nazis are using Panther Mk.IIIs as their main battle tank. Not Panzer IIIs, Panther Mk.IIIs. A heavy armor and armament upgrade to the already fearsome and one of the most well known WWII Nazi tanks that would have made it HELL for the Allies in the original timeline. The Panther III still performs respectably in tank combat in this timeline, and early encounters with it were what persuaded the Allies to invest in heavy tanks for the invasion of France in the first place.
    • Eleven Maus tanks appear near the death throes of Nazi Germany. They're quickly beaten once their glaring performance and armor weaknesses are discovered.
  • Those Murderous, Insane, Not Remotely Funny Nazis
  • War Is Hell: The Four Horsemen gallop through Japan into 1946, then throw quite a hell of a party in Europe until 1960.
  • Watching Troy Burn: The Reich televises the wholesale destruction of Paris.
  • Willing Suspension of Disbelief: Somehow, the author manages to maintain this, despite the Viet Cong and US Marines fighting together against the SS in Nazi-occupied France.
  • Worthy Opponent: The Western Allies have this reaction to Heer veterans once they're called out of retirement to defend the Reich, and not just because of their obvious mental advantage over the SS.

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