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***Let's see if I can do this: [[spoiler:Fei Wong Reed wants to bring someone BackFromTheDead, so this is probably a case of LoveMakesYouEvil. Of course, resurrection is a big no-no in the CLAMP multiverse, so he needs Sakura's power (and possibly [[OurSoulsAreDifferent souls]] from the CardCaptorSakura and {{xxxHolic}} universe) to do it. He created [[CloningBlues clone!Sakura and clone!Syaoran]] to gather Sakura's feathers after he caused them to be scattered in various worlds in order to power the ritual/device/whatever that will bring back the aforementioned dead person while he held the real ones prisoner. Yuuko is trying to stop him for some reason, [[TheEndoftheWorldAsWeKnowIt which probably means doing what he's trying to do will hurt the multiverse somehow]] or [[DrunkOnPower he's an evil bastard who will abuse the power]]. The Tsubasa gang wants to stop him in order to (a) [[DamselinDistress rescue the real Princess Sakura]], (b) [[YouKilledMyFather get revenge for murdering Kurogane's mother]], and (c) because he's really evil. And something about Syaoran making a selfish wish and causing this whole mess. And a whole lot of other confusing stuff.]] I probably missed some stuff so someone might want to expand or add stuff.to:
***Let's see if I can do this: [[spoiler:Fei Wong Reed wants to bring someone BackFromTheDead, so this is probably a case of LoveMakesYouEvil. Of course, resurrection is a big no-no in the CLAMP multiverse, so he needs Sakura's power (and possibly [[OurSoulsAreDifferent souls]] from the CardCaptorSakura and {{xxxHolic}} universe) to do it. He created [[CloningBlues clone!Sakura and clone!Syaoran]] to gather Sakura's feathers after he caused them to be scattered in various worlds in order to power the ritual/device/whatever that will bring back the aforementioned dead person while he held the real ones prisoner. Yuuko is trying to stop him for some reason, [[TheEndoftheWorldAsWeKnowIt which probably means doing what he's trying to do will hurt the multiverse somehow]] or [[DrunkWithPower he's an evil bastard who will abuse the power]]. The Tsubasa gang wants to stop him in order to (a) [[DamselinDistress rescue the real Princess Sakura]], (b) [[YouKilledMyFather get revenge for murdering Kurogane's mother]], and (c) because he's really evil. And something about Syaoran making a selfish wish and causing this whole mess. And a whole lot of other confusing stuff.]] I probably missed some stuff so someone might want to expand or add stuff.Changed line 51 from:
*Did CLAMP plan all this? or was it just one big Chris Carter job, but with pretty pictures?to:
*Did CLAMP plan all this? or was it just one big [[TheChrisCarterEffect Chris Carter]] job, but with pretty pictures?19/Nov/09 at 09:46 AM
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** Well, technically, Yuko isn't going around ''at all'' anymore. But yes, I'm calling shennanigans on this, and praying for the One True Mokona to smite all these confusing nuts.to:
** Well, technically, Yuko isn't going around ''at all'' anymore. But yes, I'm calling shenanigans on this, and praying for the One True Mokona to smite all these confusing nuts.Changed lines 16 from:
*** Is [[spoiler: "Syaoran"]]'s real name [[spoiler: Watanuki]], or is that also a psuedonym?to:
*** Is [[spoiler: "Syaoran"]]'s real name [[spoiler: Watanuki]], or is that also a pseudonym?Changed lines 21 from:
*** What confuses me most and is not in your summary is that [[spoiler: In "Syaoran"'s flashback, to the point in the initial timeline that is presumably the same point as the "creation of clone sakura" point in the new modified timeline, Fei Wong Reed is quite clearly doing something very different to Sakura. No feathers are involved, no clones, just draining her or something. So, what's changed? How? Why? Why exactly did he ''need'' a clone Sakura all of a sudden, if the original worked fine in the original timeline and he didn't seem to make any modifications to the clone? And what, exactly, was the purpose of the feathers? If everyone in the group was planned to be his puppet, why bother the pretense of them doing it for themselves- why not just make them all loyal to him outright?]]to:
*** What confuses me most and is not in your summary is that [[spoiler: In "Syaoran"'s flashback, to the point in the initial timeline that is presumably the same point as the "creation of Clone Sakura" point in the new modified timeline, Fei Wong Reed is quite clearly doing something very different to Sakura. No feathers are involved, no clones, just draining her or something. So, what's changed? How? Why? Why exactly did he ''need'' a Clone Sakura all of a sudden, if the original worked fine in the original timeline and he didn't seem to make any modifications to the clone? And what, exactly, was the purpose of the feathers? If everyone in the group was planned to be his puppet, why bother the pretense of them doing it for themselves- why not just make them all loyal to him outright?]]Changed lines 27 from:
** So, [[spoiler: did the actions of Our Heros ''create'' the Clow Country in some sort of Main/StableTimeLoop, did they merely alter the past so that two formerly separate worlds are now linked by time, are they in an alternate Clow, did they change things retroactively, and we only see the post-change universe that didn't, from a certain perspective, really happen until they got to Tokyo, or what? Mokona dammit, this bloody thing was complex enough ''without'' time travel!]]to:
** So, [[spoiler: did the actions of Our Heroes ''create'' the Clow Country in some sort of Main/StableTimeLoop, did they merely alter the past so that two formerly separate worlds are now linked by time, are they in an alternate Clow, did they change things retroactively, and we only see the post-change universe that didn't, from a certain perspective, really happen until they got to Tokyo, or what? Mokona dammit, this bloody thing was complex enough ''without'' time travel!]]Changed line 51 from:
*Did CLAMP plan all this? or was it just one big Chirs Carter job, but with pretty pictures?to:
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* Nicknames. How do I refer to the Syaorans? Syaoran Jr. doesn't work anymore, since he's also the source material. Syaoran Prime doesn't work becuase he's also the son of a Syaoran, a second if you look at it from a conventional temporal perspective irrespective of reincarnation. Original Syaoran doesn't work either, becuase that should refer to the Syaoran from CCS who is not involved at all besides some possible offscreen stuff helping his wife giving her analog some encouragement. And I can't refer to him as "Syaoran", becuase that could refer to any of the three. I can't even use "Protagonist Syaoran", because the father/clone/thing started out the protagonist. Cloney can't refer to the reincarnation father, but father doesn't work either since from his own perspective he could be seen as a son of his own son. This series has literally reached the point where the english language is insufficient to describe it.to:
* Nicknames. How do I refer to the Syaorans? Syaoran Jr. doesn't work anymore, since he's also the source material. Syaoran Prime doesn't work because he's also the son of a Syaoran, a second if you look at it from a conventional temporal perspective irrespective of reincarnation. Original Syaoran doesn't work either, because that should refer to the Syaoran from CCS who is not involved at all besides some possible offscreen stuff helping his wife giving her analog some encouragement. And I can't refer to him as "Syaoran", because that could refer to any of the three. I can't even use "Protagonist Syaoran", because the father/clone/thing started out the protagonist. Cloney can't refer to the reincarnation father, but father doesn't work either since from his own perspective he could be seen as a son of his own son. This series has literally reached the point where the English language is insufficient to describe it.Changed line 59 from:
**** And we don't know the real name. And despite the fact that he isn't actually a Syaoran, he's the "Real Syaoran". So he isn't a real Syaoran, but he [i]is[/i] Real Syaoran. [[{{Understatement This is why proper references are a mite difficult to work out]].to:
**** And we don't know the real name. And despite the fact that he isn't actually a Syaoran, he's the "Real Syaoran". So he isn't a real Syaoran, but he ''is'' Real Syaoran. [[{{Understatement}} This is why proper references are a mite difficult to work out]].Changed lines 64 from:
* If everything could have been concluded by undoing the reality warp that undied Yuko, why didn't she just make her DealWithTheDevil that she would work for x years in exchange for having died when she was supposed to, or even at the conlcusion of the work? It would probably have been a much shorter period of indentured servitude to ''hitsuzen''.to:
* If everything could have been concluded by undoing the reality warp that undied Yuko, why didn't she just make her DealWithTheDevil that she would work for x years in exchange for having died when she was supposed to, or even at the conclusion of the work? It would probably have been a much shorter period of indentured servitude to ''hitsuzen''.08/Nov/09 at 06:28 PM
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**I agree, but then there's that little invincible spell that CCS Sakura always says, the gist being, "I'm sure everything will be all right." Yuko does almost the same thing, saying she believes in the children and what they would do. The male Tsubasa, if he's anything like his clone/father, which he is, simply decides to do something and then does it. It's not so much planning as it is determination and faith to see things through. Fai Wang Reed on the other hand...to:
**I agree, but then there's that little invincible spell that CCS Sakura always says, the gist being, "I'm sure everything will be all right." Yuko does almost the same thing, saying she believes in the children and what they would do. The male Tsubasa, if he's anything like his clone/father, which he is, simply decides to do something and then does it. It's not so much planning as it is determination and faith to see things through. Fei Wang Reed on the other hand...07/Nov/09 at 08:38 PM
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**I agree, but then there's that little invincible spell that CCS Sakura always says, the gist being, "I'm sure everything will be all right." Yuko does almost the same thing, saying she believes in the children and what they would do. The male Tsubasa, if he's anything like his clone/father, which he is, simply decides to do something and then does it. It's not so much planning as it is determination and faith to see things through. Fai Wang Reed on the other hand...07/Nov/09 at 06:24 PM
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*** Yeah... Tsubasa kinda uses all tropes about Time Travel that there are and then some more. At the same time. Trying to make any sense of it would earn you a Nobel Prize or something.07/Nov/09 at 12:39 PM
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** StableTimeLoop. There was no "first time"... i thinkto:
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** It needed to be Sakura becasue the StableTimeLoop. No idea how that connected to Yuuko.to:
** It needed to be Sakura because of the StableTimeLoop. No idea how that's connected to Yuuko.Changed line 82 from:
* Where did Fei Wong Reed come from, anyway? Was he a manifestation of Clow's reality warp? A relative of Clow's also in love with Yuko? Some random schmoe who had an unfortunate hobby and a knack for XanatosRoulette?to:
* Where did Fei Wong Reed come from, anyway? Was he a manifestation of Clow's reality warp? A relative of Clow's also in love with Yuko? Some random schmo who had an unfortunate hobby and a knack for XanatosRoulette?07/Nov/09 at 12:36 PM
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** Stable Time Loop. There was no "first time"... i thinkto:
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** It needed to be Sakura becasue the stable time loop. No idea how that connected to Yuuko.to:
** It needed to be Sakura becasue the StableTimeLoop. No idea how that connected to Yuuko.07/Nov/09 at 10:04 AM
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** There ''was'' a first time, though- when Male Tsubasa made the wish to go back in time, borking the entire space-time continuum and granting Ass-chin free reign with regards to cloning.06/Nov/09 at 09:22 PM
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** "Syaoran" was when male Tsubasa did the wish to reverse time. No idea on "Sakura"Added line 76:
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** It needed to be Sakura becasue the stable time loop. No idea how that connected to Yuuko.05/Nov/09 at 07:23 PM
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* How the fuck did all the XanatosRoulette players (CCS Sakura, Yuko, the two Reeds, male Tsubasa, Fei) ''plan'' everything out so well? This isn't wheels within wheels like most ThirtyXanatosPileups, its wheels within wheels within wheels within R'lyeh as drawn by M.C. Escher on LSD!to:
* How the fuck did all the XanatosRoulette players (CCS Sakura, Yuko, the two Reeds, male Tsubasa, Fei) ''plan'' everything out so well? This isn't wheels within wheels like most [[ThirtyXanatosPileup Thirty Xanatos Pileups]], its wheels within wheels within wheels within R'lyeh as drawn by M.C. Escher on LSD! |
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