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** Same with all hate campaigns, it is a toxic mix of jealousy and fear. Jealousy that the sibling is something special and getting attention, and fear because that is all the media and social pressure feeds them. Sadly all too common with LGBT families in the real world.
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* So why exactly did Bobby's brother, Ronny, call the police on him? His own brother? Did he hate him or something?
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** Maybe his senses are heightened by adrenaline. In the first movie he was ready to fight and his sense of smell was great. In this movie he's feeling calm and getting ready for bed and so his sense of smell isn't that great. And/or Mystique might have spent some time learning now to make her scent more accurate to her chosen form.
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** Logan hasn't spent much time around the school or many of its students, so he probably doesn't know how Colossus's powers work - for all he knows the metal form can only be activated for a limited time and the kid would revert back to normal midway through the fight. Even if it's not, there's still plenty of other variables here - what if they find a way to trap him somehow? What if they have other weapons that Logan hasn't seen yet that could do damage to him? There's far too much risk in just letting Colossus run into a fight alone, so there's no way Logan would let him do it.
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* Why didn't Logan just tell Colossus to go right ahead when he offered to help Logan against the soldiers during the attack on the mansion? Colossus is bullet-proof and has super-strength, the soldiers didn't have any weapons that could so much as scratch him, and he could have taken them all down with ease. Logan could have stayed with the kids to protect them while giving Colossus a free rein.
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*** He only sent in Lady Deathstrike ''after'' Wolverine and his teammates snuck in and started causing chaos. At that point Stryker was out of patience. But if it had really been Wolverine by himself, properly restrained and not a threat to anyone, then it's perfectly possible Stryker would have had something to say to him. (Don't forget that he showed interest in talking to Wolverine during the raid on Xavier's school. So why wouldn't he still have some interest in talking to Wolverine now?)
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* A scene has Mystique trying to seduce Logan disguised as Jean, and later as other characters before Wolvie fires her. In the first movie, he easily sniffed her two times, and can tell if she is actually her disguised, only by recognizing her scent. Why this time he does not?
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*** Seing how he had absolutely nothing to say to him before he sicked Lady Deathstrike on him, that wasn't the case. Neither was he interested in recruting him, not that it would've been an option anyway. There really was no reason not to kill him
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** Styker probably agreed to talk to him ''because'' he's about to kill every mutant in the word. If there's anything he'd like to say to Wolverine, this is apparently last chance to say it.

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** Styker probably agreed to talk to him ''because'' he's about to kill every mutant in the word. If there's anything he'd like to say to Wolverine, this is apparently (apparently) his last chance to say it.
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** Styker probably agreed to talk to him ''because'' he's about to kill every mutant in the word. If there's anything he'd like to say to Wolverine, this is apparently last chance to say it.
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** Who would Striker call, if he wanted to call for backup? All the surviving soldiers were guarding Cerebro, and he'd ordered them to watch out for Mystique. ("Kill anyone who approaches, even if it's me.") He can't just get on the radio and say "Abandon Cerebro and help me out instead", because that would look ''super'' suspicious and they would just ignore him. Obviously his plan was to get Lady Deathstrike to kill Wolverine. If that failed, the secondary plan was that she'd keep Wolverine busy long enough for Cerebro to kill him anyway. And in case neither of those plans worked, he planned to escape via helicopter. In fact he heads to the helicopter as soon as the fight begins. You say "If Logan and Deathstrike were really equal, then neither would actually win", but why would Stryker regard them as equals? Perhaps he thinks of Deathstrike as a more advanced version of Wolverine; she's the more recent "creation", after all. And if he does think that they're equal, again, so what? A 50-50 chance of success is better than nothing. And if they stalemate long enough, Cerebro will kill them both. Of course Deathstike would want revenge on Stryker once the programming wore off, but he's betting that Cerebro will kill her before that happens. It wasn't clear to me that her mind control wore off, anyway. She kept fighting till the end, didn't she?

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** Plus, he's just been handed the opportunity to get rid of every potential threat the humans might pose to him at once; he probably wouldn't have set out to do it himself because he knows he couldn't make a duplicate Cerebro or make Xavier use it on his own, but presented with a scenario where he's got the tools to do it, he might as well just take advantage of the chance.



* I get that the X-Men are a metaphor for various forms of bigotry and that the audience is meant to be sympathetic toward them, but doesn't their position become just a little untenable by the end of the second movie? Xavier's not merely arguing that he should be allowed to exist with his unique abilities, but that he should be allowed to use them at his discretion and without oversight on the presumption that he's too good and pure to abuse them. By the second movie we know that Xavier secretly enlists child and adolescent mutants into his school,apparently without their parents' informed consent. He does this by using advanced technology that allows him to spy on anyone in the world, but also doubles as a super weapon that would allow him to indiscriminately kill entire species without retaliation. Then, after he was almost made to kill the mutant population at the behest of a human and then the human population at the behest of a mutant, he decides rather than rethinking his approach he would break into the oval office and implicitly threaten the leader of a sovereign nation alongside his cadre of human weapons, including the *man who almost assassinated said leader*. Is the audience meant to accept that it's reasonable to demand humanity to coexist with beings that could (and are sometimes willing to) wipe them out at their discretion?

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* I get that the X-Men are a metaphor for various forms of bigotry and that the audience is meant to be sympathetic toward them, but doesn't their position become just a little untenable by the end of the second movie? Xavier's not merely arguing that he should be allowed to exist with his unique abilities, but that he should be allowed to use them at his discretion and without oversight on the presumption that he's too good and pure to abuse them. By the second movie we know that Xavier secretly enlists child and adolescent mutants into his school,apparently school, apparently without their parents' informed consent. He does this by using advanced technology that allows him to spy on anyone in the world, but also doubles as a super weapon that would allow him to indiscriminately kill entire species without retaliation. Then, after he was almost made to kill the mutant population at the behest of a human and then the human population at the behest of a mutant, he decides rather than rethinking his approach he would break into the oval office and implicitly threaten the leader of a sovereign nation alongside his cadre of human weapons, including the *man who almost assassinated said leader*. Is the audience meant to accept that it's reasonable to demand humanity to coexist with beings that could (and are sometimes willing to) wipe them out at their discretion?



What exactly was Stryker's plan here? He knows the base is overrun with dangerous mutants, one of whom he helped personally create... so upon finding said dangerous mutant, he doesn't call for backup or raise any alarm, but instead leaves his only bodyguard to fight him, possibly believing they'll fight to a stalemate and keep each other busy until the Dark Cerebro started working... except Lady Deathstrike was only working for Strkyer while she was mind-controlled, and we even see during the final moments of her battle with Logan that the mind-control wore off pretty fast. So to recap: what was Stryker's plan here? If Logan and Deathstrike were really equal, then neither would actually win. At best they'd fight to a stalemate until Deathstrike's programming wore off, at which point she'd probably want revenge on Stryker and would most likely ally with Logan against him. So once again, what exactly what Stryker's plan? Beyond giving us the best fight-scene in the movie, that is.

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* What exactly was Stryker's plan here? He knows the base is overrun with dangerous mutants, one of whom he helped personally create... so upon finding said dangerous mutant, he doesn't call for backup or raise any alarm, but instead leaves his only bodyguard to fight him, possibly believing they'll fight to a stalemate and keep each other busy until the Dark Cerebro started working... except Lady Deathstrike was only working for Strkyer while she was mind-controlled, and we even see during the final moments of her battle with Logan that the mind-control wore off pretty fast. So to recap: what was Stryker's plan here? If Logan and Deathstrike were really equal, then neither would actually win. At best they'd fight to a stalemate until Deathstrike's programming wore off, at which point she'd probably want revenge on Stryker and would most likely ally with Logan against him. So once again, what exactly what Stryker's plan? Beyond giving us the best fight-scene in the movie, that is.is.
** Best explanation I can think of is a sick form of 'scientific curiosity'; he has a chance to confirm whether Wolverine or Deathstrike is the better, and he assumed he'd have time to see the results before Dark Cerebro kicked in.

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*** Fairly sure Jean wasn't there at the point when he got shot; she arrived later.



** While it was fairly contrived, you're ignoring the established limitations of the characters. Jean moves objects; she doesn't move herself -- or, logically, anything she's sitting inside. Iceman took a couple of seconds to freeze a cup of tea -- how quickly do you think he could have frozen several million gallons of water, moving at high speed? Nightcrawler would have been able to grab her if the water had been the only threat -- but she was visibly burning up by the time she got the jet off the ground (which detail would probably have caused complications if she had been able to lift it from the inside). And Storm, like Iceman, had shown no sign of that kind of power level or, indeed, fine control -- earlier in the film she could make tornadoes, but she sure as hell couldn't stop the jet from falling out of the sky.

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** While it was fairly contrived, you're ignoring the established limitations of the characters. Jean moves objects; she doesn't move herself -- herself, or, logically, anything she's sitting inside. Iceman took a couple of seconds to freeze a cup of tea -- tea; how quickly do you think he could have frozen several million gallons of water, moving at high speed? Nightcrawler would have been able to grab her if the water had been the only threat -- threat, but she was visibly burning up by the time she got the jet off the ground (which detail would probably have caused complications if she had been able to lift it from the inside). And Storm, like Iceman, had shown no sign of that kind of power level or, indeed, fine control -- earlier in the film she could make tornadoes, but she sure as hell couldn't stop the jet from falling out of the sky.
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What exactly was Stryker's plan here? He knows the base is overrun with dangerous mutants, one of whom he helped personally create... so upon finding said dangerous mutant, he doesn't call for backup or raise any alarm, but instead leaves his only bodyguard to fight him, possibly believing they'll fight to a stalemate and keep each other busy until the Dark Cerebro started working... except Lady Deathstrike was only working for Strkyer while she was mind-controlled, and we even see during the final moments of her battle with Logan that the mind-control wore off pretty fast. So to recap: what was Stryker's plan here? If Logan and Deathstrike were really equal, then neither would actually win. At best they'd fight to a stalemate until Deathstrike's programming wore off, at which point she'd probably want revenge on Stryker and would most likely ally with Logan against him. So once again, what exactly what Stryker's plan? Beyond giving us the best fight-scene in the movie, that is.
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-->'''Kelly''': Do you hate normal people?
-->'''Storm''': Sometimes.
-->'''Kelly''': Why?
-->'''Storm''': I suppose...because I'm afraid of them.

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-->'''Kelly''': --->'''Kelly''': Do you hate normal people?
-->'''Storm''': --->'''Storm''': Sometimes.
-->'''Kelly''': --->'''Kelly''': Why?
-->'''Storm''': --->'''Storm''': I suppose...because I'm afraid of them.



** If Apocalypse is any indication, she had a hard time because her powers ostracized her from her own family and community.

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** If Apocalypse ''Apocalypse'' is any indication, she had a hard time because her powers ostracized her from her own family and community. community.
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** Expanding on the above, the X-Men franchise has always been caught between two narrative goals: (A) Preaching against bigotry, and (B) doing Awesome Superhero Stuff. This is why the X-men are all teachers at a school...and at the same time they're all members of an elite paramilitary group that saves the world on a regular basis. Forming a school for at-risk youth is a pretty realistic (and helpful) response to bigotry, but a school by itself isn't going to have enough narrative room for Awesome Superhero Stuff. (Unless it's Harry Potter I guess, but that wasn't written till much later.) So everyone has to fill both roles; there isn't a single teacher at Xavier's school who isn't also a ''de facto'' soldier. Then there's the fact that we almost never see the X-men teaming up with humans, even though Xavier's entire philosophy is that mutants and humans should coexist peacefully. Non-powered humans just aren't cool enough to keep up with the Awesome Superhero Stuff. Getting to your comment more specifically, trusting Xavier with extraordinary powers is part and parcel for the superhero genre. We're expected to trust that Superman will always be the good guy, for instance. And when Batman dangles a guy off the side of a building to interrogate him, it never turns out that he made a mistake and grabbed the wrong guy, and now this poor innocent guy has PTSD or whatever. (Also we never refer to this as "torture", even though logically that's what it is.) Superhero comics almost always sweep these moral questions aside. I actually ''will'' defend Xavier taking kids into his school, though. If a kid's parents are bigoted, and if revealing the kid's secret will endanger them, then I see no moral reason to give the parents "informed consent". What matter is that the ''kid'' gives informed consent about attending the school, and is treated well while they're there. But on the flip side, yeah, a device that lets you spy on anyone without oversight is just begging to be misused, not to mention that it doubles as the world's most powerful WMD. Realistically, that sort of thing shouldn't be allowed to exist. But then, if it didn't exist, there'd be less room for Awesome Superhero Stuff. In the end, the tropes win out. The idea the movie is going for is "There are evil mutants, but there are also good mutants, and therefore you shouldn't be biased against someone just because they're a mutant".
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** In the first scene with Cerebro, it's actually established that mutants and humans have roughly equal populations. You can see it on the scan, and Xavier says "There's more of us than you think". Presumably a lot of these mutants are hiding their powers, perhaps so much so that they're not part of the mutant community, they don't (knowingly) have any mutant friends etc.. Then there are probably a lot of people whose powers simply haven't manifested yet, so they're technically mutants but they don't know it. (We hear about mutants getting their powers at puberty, but who says it works that way every time?)
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** A lobotomy that leaves the patient a vegetable is a failed and overly aggressive lobotomy. There was a time when lobotomies were the popular, if extremely unethical way to maintain control over a troublesome person without having to lock them up forever or kill them.

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** A lobotomy that leaves the patient a vegetable is a failed and overly aggressive lobotomy. The intended goal of such a procedure was to leave the person more docile than they had been before . There was a time when lobotomies were the popular, if extremely unethical way to maintain control over a troublesome person without having to lock them up forever or kill them.
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** A lobotomy that leaves the patient a vegetable is a failed and overly aggressive lobotomy. There was a time when lobotomies were the popular, if extremely unethical way to maintain control over a troublesome person without having to lock them up forever or kill them.
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*** Again: I'm pretty sure she ''put'' the scars there in that ''one scene'' just to mess with Logan. She never shows having the scars in any other scene in either the second or third movies.

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*** Again: I'm pretty sure she ''put'' the scars there in that ''one scene'' just to mess fuck with Logan. She never shows having the scars in any other scene in either the second or third movies.



*** Keywords being "probably," and "some of it." And where the hell was Nightcrawler supposed to teleport them that wouldn't be in the way of a tsunami wave?

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*** Keywords being "probably," and "some of it." And where the hell was Nightcrawler supposed to teleport them that wouldn't be in the way of a goddamned tsunami wave?

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