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Headscratchers: Wonder Woman

  • If the Invisible Jet is invisible, how does she find it?
    • She keeps hitting the "Unlock" button on her alarm fob.
    • Holy Fridge Brilliance! I think that you solved the mystery!
    • She's very careful to remember where she parked.
    • I think she has a telepathic link with it, or something.
  • Why in the hell was she made a Star Sapphire in Blackest Night? For those of you who don't know, Star Sapphires are basically Green Lanterns, but in regards to love, not willpower. I'm asking this because of her attitude towards Nemesis. So, he loved her, she loved him, but not enough to care about him any more than having kids? And she's made a Star Sapphire?!
    • I don't know nothin' about no Nemesis (isn't that the name of a goddess?!?!) but the reason she was made a Star Sapphire was explained in Blackest Night. Apparently she loves the entire world more than anyone else...or something. Bugger me if it makes any sense but there you have it.
      • The Nemesis in question is Tom Tresser (Diana's love interest during Gail Simone's run). He and Diana became partners working at the Department of metahuman affairs in Allan Heinberg's story "Who is Wonder Woman."
  • I think somewhere in BN it was said that "no one loves Earth more than Wonder Woman", so her love is for the entire world, not just one person. As for the "loss" part of the requirement, well, she did spend a year or so with most of Earth's public opinion against her (because of the whole Max Lord fiasco).
    • Just how is that supposed to be the same love as what powers the Star Sapphires? "Loving Earth" seems too platonic...
      • While I agree that it was stretch of logic done only because they wanted her to get the ring, not because it actually made sense (especially because the ring had to bring her back from being a Black Lantern to do it!) that much at least can be explained (whether it jibes with what the writers would say or is strictly fanwanking, though, I can't say). The Violet Rings are attuned to love in general; it's the Star Sapphire Corps that chooses to recruit based only on romantic love. When the rings were looking for bearers in Blackest Night, they were acting independently of their Corps, so the Violet Ring just looked for love, not romantic love. By the same token, the Indigo Ring looked for someone compassionate even though the Indigo Tribe specifically recruits people who lack compassion and let the ring force it on them. And the Orange Ring sought out a bearer even though Larfleeze forbids Orange Lantern Corps rings from doing that. Atrocitus actually mentions being upset that the Red Ring was allowed to find a bearer without his input because that meant it would just search out someone filled with rage while he only recruits people whose rage is directed at someone who's done them injustice, but once he meets Mera, he approves of her. Presumably, if Ganthet hadn't claimed the Green Ring, it might have sought the nearest person with great willpower even if they didn't necessarily have "the ability to overcome great fear", like someone with a really strong work ethic, or even someone like Deathstroke or Ra's Al Ghul.
      • In Post-Crisis continuity, she was given the beauty of a loving heart by Aphrodite. Thus, Wonder Woman has a superhuman ability to love.
  • The excessive violence in the Wonder Woman film raised a question for this Troper. Didn't Wonder Woman have a no-kill code? Or is that only in some incarnations? Because I was under the impression that her murder of Max Lord in the Comics was so huge BECAUSE she'd never done it before.
    • Apparently, the idea was to make her distinct from the other big two superheroes (Superman and Batman) in that she can and will kill if absolutely necessary (the one time the Post-Crisis Superman consciously killed someone � when he executed the three pocket universe Kryptonian supervillains � it was huge deal to him and haunted him for a long time afterwards, which doesn't seem to be the case with Wonder Woman). Even if this was a Retcon, it kinda makes sense, as (unlike Superman and Batman), WW was raised in a warrior culture. During Gail Simone's run, WW explicitly states that she can kill to save innocent lives, but not for selfish reasons, such as revenge.
    • George Perez made it explicit very early in his post-Crisis reboot of the character that she will kill, without remorse or self-recrimination, if the situation requires it, though she can usually manage to find less drastic solutions. The problem with Max Lord, for the fans, was that the situation was nowhere close to requiring it. In-universe, the problem was the wide-spread belief that superheroes never kill.
      • Nowhere close? The creative team powered up a telepath to create a rampaging mind-controlled Kryptonian situation, with the threat of recurrence if the telepath lived. However much one may want Diana to be so overpowered she can work around that, that's still pretty close.
      • She could just knock out Max and maybe mind wipe his knowledge on how to control people,or use the Lasso of Truth to show wiping out all superheroes will allow guys like Darkseid to wipe out or conquer mankind. There were other options (not to mention that Max seems like a Well-Intentioned Extremist in that book), which is why fans are angry about it.
      • "Wipe his knowledge?" How? I don't recall Diana having mind erase powers. And if you say Zatanna or Martian Manhunter, I'll point you to Identity Crisis, a series that (whether is succeeded or not) showed that mind-raping supervillains into forgetting things is a very grey & unreliable area. Besides, at that point, Max was sure that Checkmate & the OMAC army he created could handle any alien invasion off, New God or not. There may have been options (though I've been remiss to see any that actually could have held water) but Diana didn't have time since she was in a room with a mind-controlled Superman who was in danger of attacking her again.
      • Furthermore, Maxwell Lord was, and is, a complete monster. While Zatanna got vetoed and banned from mindwiping anyone because, last time she did, she turned Doctor Light into "Rapist McRape, the Rapist Therapist", Maxwell Lord proved during the Brightest Day storyline to be not above killing superpowered children, getting Magog explode in a crowded city just to get a Kingdom Come thrown at the JLI and sending his creations to get some petty revenge over Wonder Woman herself while claiming to be the world's savior. Basically, he was in Diana's eyes a deeply disturbed man handling the most powerful humanoid on Earth. And she doesn't seem pained by killing him, but rather by the realization that Brother Eye, broadcasting her actions without relaying the context, actually turned her mission to spread peace in the Patriarch World into an instant failure.
      • An important and often overlooked factor here is that she used the Lasso of Truth - the thing that makes it literally impossible to lie - on Maxwell Lord and asked him how to free Superman from his control (after Max had forced Superman to beat Batman to a pulp and told Wonder Woman that he planned to use Superman to kill his enemies) and Max's response was "Kill me." Max point blank told her that the only way to save release Superman from a life as Max's personal assassin was to kill him, and the lasso guaranteed that he wasn't lying (it's possible there was some way to do it that Max was unaware of - like powerful magic - but clearly just knocking Max out wasn't enough). As mentioned, the reason it was controversial was that footage of her snapping Max's neck while Max was tied up was broadcast out of context, making her look like a murderer.
      • People can't consciously lie while under the lasso's influence, yes, but their responses will still be colored by their prejudices and personalities. The kind of personality that Max had (at the time), it's not exactly surprising that he went for the most bloodthirsty option first. Then, if I recall correctly, Diana snapped his neck before he had a chance to say anything else.
      • Lots of people bring up alternatives to killing Max Lord, but consider the information Diana had access to: there was one person who knew more about how Lord's powers worked than anyone else, and who, as head of Checkmate, had extensive knowledge of unconventional methods of containing metahumans, who was very, very motivated to think of a non-lethal method to stop Lord, and who was divinely compelled to speak the truth: Max Lord himself. And the only thing he could come up with that was certain to work was was "kill me," much to his own obvious horror.
    • She usually doesn't kill, she just doesn't adhere to her code as strongly as Superman or Batman.

  • Aquaman exists in the same universe as Wonder Woman, right? So where does Poseidon fit into all this?
    • In regards to the comics - first of all, he rarely appears. You'd think that Posiedon would take on the Atlanteans as his patron people, but actually he's a huge dick who sees them as upstarts who step on his toes. Ocean Master, Aquaman, and he basically have a constant rivalry to each gain control of his Trident. In his first appearance, he basically tried to rape Mera. So, yeah.

  • Cheetah's Barbie Doll Anatomy. Her fur is thin enough to look like skin, but thick enough to cover her naughty bits. (Which she does have) What's up with that?

  • I haven't been keeping up lately, but I know the New52 says that Barbara Minerva was a criminal even before she became the Cheetah. But I can't find anything that says what specific crimes she committed.

  • Does Athena exist in the New52? Given how she was Wonder Woman's patron pre-reboot, the fact that her responsibilities and personality are very similar to Wonder Woman's, and how Wonder Woman's now part of the Olympian family, her absence from the story (based on the first two trade paperbacks, this headscratcher may be out of date) is kind of jarring.

  • How the heck was the classic Cheetah, Priscilla Rich, able to go toe to toe against Wonder Woman back in the 1940's? The golden age was weird. In present time, I can't picture a powerless woman in a cheetah costume beating our amazon heroine no matter how crazy, rich, and skilled she is.
    • Wonder Woman herself was also less powerful back then. What I want to know is how she made the tail in hr costume move.

  • Here's a literal headscratcher inspired by the events of "The Circle". If Alkyone was locked away all those years (however old Diana is supposed to be) without any blades, how was she able to keep her head shaved?

  • Does anyone know why the DC Amazons worship Athena when mythology states that Ares was their patron deity? And why was Ares made a villain when Athena's record of doing terrible things is just as bad, if not way worse, than his?
    • Probably because the people at DC decided it made more sense for a tribe of warrior women to worship a warrior goddess than a warrior god.
    • Also, Athena is goddess of the more positive aspects of war, not to mention wisdom, crafts, occasionally justice depending on the myth, and was patron of a city. Ares is god of the bloodthirsty aspects of war, the slaughter and chaos and pain and fear, and (unless you're a Roman and talking about Mars) god of not really much else. Before the New52 made the Amazons into Straw Feminist assholes, Athena was a much more sensible choice for a society based around ideals of peace, justice, equality, etc to worship. (Also, in the Post-Crisis era, she was one of their patrons and creators, so there was a fair bit of gratitude involved as well.)

  • I don't know a lot about Wonder Woman, but I know she has this rope which when tied around people makes them tell the truth. My question is, what if a kid gets lied to that their parents died in a car crash when really they got eaten by wolves. If Wonder Woman questions the kid, he/she is going to say "My folks died in a car crash", because that was the lie he/she was told. But if Wonder Woman ties her rope around him/her is the kid still going to say "My folks were killed in a car crash" or is he going to say "They got eaten by a wolf"?
    • I'm guessing that it makes them tell what they think is true.