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What happened to Rex?
Is it just me or has he disappeared? I cant remember the last episode he was in.
He hasn't been around much, but he'll featured in a new episode where Rob considers selling him. If Nickelodeon ever gets around to showing any new episodes, that is...
How did Tori suddenly become a great singer?
In the pilot she said that she wasn't a performer, and there were no hints that gave away that she had an interest in singing or that she even sang before in the past, so how did she suddenly become great at singing? With the Big Time Rush pilot, even though Kendall had no interest in singing at first it's been said that he always sang around the house or in the shower, so at least that gave an idea of how he can sing. With Tori she just performs once and is suddenly amazing.
Well, you can be born with the ability to sing well, and no one said she didn't sing in the shower...I sing in the shower...I can't help singing in the shower and I sound worse than Shreck!
All Acting Classes?
This troper went to an arts/vocational school as a high school and I was just wondering, why the kids are taking only acting and arts based classes, and multiple ones at that. Wouldn't they still be required to take some academic classes? From my experience, you only take one or two vocational classes per semester, and the rest are traditional academic courses. Maybe it was just the school I went to, but wouldn't the kids be legally required to.
No you are correct, they would need to take normal academic classes too and they probably do. It's just not a priority of the show to display so.
They've been shown in normal classes. When Trina stormed in to confront Robbie on his review of her show, I'm pretty sure he was in a history class. The show just focuses on the performance aspects, so that's what gets shown the majority of the time.
While those are good points and I'm happy someone responded so fast, what I really wanted to point out was the fact that the kids were taking multiple acting classes per semester. Realistically, they would only take one or two per semester. Cat has been shown in at least two acting classes already, a makeup class, and a play-writing class. Robbie was shown in a theatre-history class, a dance class, and at least another drama class. There's also the fact that dance and drama (and cosmotologey for that matter) are viewed as different fields of study, and you probably would not be allowed to take both.
The separate classes could be as part of an overall 'subject'. As an unrelated example, if you take a Physical Education class at high school, that class would and often is split into small subjects, such as health or theoretical physical science which would be in a classroom, and actual physical work on a school oval or field. Same thing with science, not every class would need a lab, and some would be completely theoretical. There is also the chance that the entire grade worth of kids will take a "Drama" or "Music" Class, and then that class might have several electives underneath the base course load. EG, Tori takes Music, has a class with everyone, then has a Advanced Vocal subject which she takes with Andre, and a Beginner Instrument class with any other students with basic instrumental skills. Cat and Robbie take Drama/Theatre, Cat takes the makeup class and Robbie the theatre-history. Finally, they could have extra school periods. They might leave 1 period later each day than an equivalent school might, giving an extra 5 periods per day that could fit in 2 or 3 of the subjects.
While the kids could do one or two projects that reflects performing arts in an academic class, otherwise an academic class would have the same curriculum and requirements that a normal school would ask for.
Robbie apparently takes Spanish, according to "Beggin' On Your Knees", so it's canon that they're not all performing arts.
Remember that every kid in a Dan Schneider show are super humans capable of juggling insane schedule's and build equally insane projects that someone doing a P.H.D would struggle to build, in the sister show Icarly, Carly once built an electric scooter from scratch,Freddie also built an app that could analyse emotions. Sinjin's so good at building props he once built a vending machine that fooled the rest of the cast and it looks like he did it in a matter of days. The point is taking multiple acting classes as well as a full course load probably isn't that big of a deal for them.
Am I the only one who is getting sick of mistreating Trina being played as a joke? Some of the stuff that happens to her, such as cyberbullying (Jade posting that video of her getting hurt), mean-spirited gossip (the "How Trina Got In"), and parental abuse, are NOT things to ethically make fun of. Kids have been driven to suicide over crap like that and the show should not be making jokes about it. Also, exactly how does her being untalented serve as a justification for everyone treating her like crap?
The justification for it is that she acts like a selfish, spoiled brat much of the time, not that she is untalented. grandmother. Apparently, the show is a subtle black comedy sitcom.
I'll accept that, but at the same time, why is it that Jade acts like the freaking Anti-Christ and everyone seems willing to bend over backwards to be her friend?!
Two possible reasons: 1) Since she's not obnoxious and not always undermining everyone, like Trina, people can stand her more. 2) People know better than to go against her and just be her friend.
I mean in one episode, Jade is helping Tori clean, and in another, she's giving Tori coffee she found in the trash.
They don't appear to be setting up Jade as a Libby type character, but instead going for someone on the other side of the same circle of friends (which would probably go something like Tori -> Andre -> Robbie -> Cat -> Jade -> Beck.
Jade's character isn't your typical nice girl. She's more bipolar than Cat, and laughs at people's pain, finding upset and gore funny. She's not enemies with Tori anymore, but she's not her friend!
If you watch closely, Jade only is nice when it somehow benefits her, such as getting Tori to help her get her boyfriend back. It is possible she was playing nice so Tori would not rat her out, or intended to get her to leave early to get her into more trouble.
You have to remember that Jade is repeatedly shown as a bit of a sadist/masochist. She's not particularly nice even to the people she likes. Even Beck and Cat (Arguably her best friend in the show with some of their interactions) are on the receiving end of her attitude. The characters even acknowledge this on several occasions (Sikowitz, Tori, Beck, and Andre all refer to her as a gank, while Tori and Cat both refer to "Jade level mean" when Tori asks about how mean the Karaoke Dokie girls were). I'd honestly be willing to argue that if anything, it's some bizarre way of showing affection (The old "little kid picking on people they like" classic).
Lane's kids...are white?
Am I the only one who thought that weird? Lane is clearly at least partly African American, mixed being the most likely, but still black. In the episode "Diddly Bops" he showed us his young nephew who was black. But then in "iParty With Victorious" Trina babysits (kinda, more like puts them on a leash) his two very white, very blonde children.
Who said they were his? He could have had a friend who needed a short notice babysitter so he asked a student.
Or he could've adopted them, in which case they would be his, just not biologically.
Trina actually said that Lane asked her to babysit his friend's kids so they could go see a musical.
Even if there were his kids, it seems no one has heard of dominant genes.
This actually isn't weird at all. Even if they were Lane's kids, it is entirely possible that his kids could be pale skinned with blonde hair. This troper is half black and half white, and I have extremely pale skin and bright blue eyes. I am often mistaken for being completely white. Assuming that Lane is half white, and therefore in possession of European genes, it is entirely possible that his children inherited more European genes, therefore having a lighter skin color. Skin color is determined by a number of different genes, and while it is true that the genes for darker skin are dominant, recessive lighter-skinned genes still have the possibility of appearing, however unlikely it is. This troper is living proof.
It is explicitly stated in the episode that they're Lane's friend's kids and not his.
How could Tori get in trouble in "Stage Fighting"?
First, if anything, it looked like Tori hit Jade accidentally; why would someone clearly nervous about the whole thing hurt someone on purpose? Second, after it was revealed that Jade set her up, why didn't the teachers notice Jade stopped wearing the eye-makeup? Also, why didn't Andre try to report Jade after figuring it out?
I always assumed that Jade confessed once the episode was over. She felt guilty enough to help scrape mac'n'cheese of the walls, presumably she also took it upon herself to get Tori out of detention. As for why Andrť didn't report it... He and Jade seem to be friends. If Tori doesn't want it reported, he wouldn't go out of his way to get Jade in trouble. As for the accident part... Yeah, that bothered me as well.
That teacher gave her detention for accidental hitting someone! What the hell? If it was an accident, why give her detention?
Actually, it was the counselor who gave her detention. Which brings me to this question: since when are counselors able to give out punishments?
That whole episode Just Bugs Me. "What's the magic word?" "GET ME SOME COFFEE?"
Why didn't they get suspended at least because they were at Tori's house (private property) with no permission. That's illegal.
NO ONE gets arrested in the Schneider-verse
Apparently not even people who trespass on the property of a police officer.
They don't even get detention, though?
But Sam got arrested in iWon't Cancel the Show, so...
How about no one gets arrested unless it's part of their character? Sam's character is supposed to be somewhat of a delinquent, so it's okay if she gets arrested
Correction: no one gets arrested, unless you're Josh.
No one gets arrested unless it's funny.
Or plot convenient, like in "iHave A Lovesick Teacher" or "iFind Lewbert's Lost Love".
Tori enrolling at HA.
She moves to the school way too fast. Seemingly the exact day after Tori is approached by the principal to join the school at the big showcase, she's a student, despite how in reality there'd be lots of paperwork and it'd take a few days at least.
It probably did take a few days. They just don't show those days because, well, it wouldn't be very interesting.
Actually, this troper's daughter moved from a public school to a charter school (daughter was on a waiting list) in less than a day. We got the call that there was a space if we wanted it on the second day of the school year, we took her to the charter school and called the public school the next morning. We had to drop off the public school's textbooks, but Daughter was enrolled in the charter school before the first period of that morning. The "paperwork" consisted of both school secretaries hitting a few buttons.
Mr. Sikowitz, Jade and Coffee.
Why the hell did Mr. Sikowitz allow Jade to pour coffee on Tori during class? You never even find out if she got punished.
Drama teachers really don't give a crap. Ever. If it's funny or creative, they don't care. (Ex: innapropriate jokes, using audience members a props.) This cannot be supported by the Pilot. A drama teacher thinks it's more funny if the dog says "bark."
As long as they're in character, why couldn't Tori (a dog) bite Jade?
I was waiting for Tori to do something like that as well.
Personally, I wouldn't literally bite her. Push her (which dogs kinda do) would be better.
Why is it acceptable for Mr. Sikowitz to throw a ball at his students as a gesture to tell them something?
Well, I've had a few teachers who use a ball like that. That guy is probably hopped up on coconut juice, and doesn't realise how hard he's throwing it, or that he's supposed to call out their name and give them time to catch it first.
my history teacher for next year does that with markers. Not counting as physical punishment, they throw things to get your attention or if you got a question wrong. It's not uncommon.
Same here, I had a chemistry teacher who threw chalk at us if we exasperated her enough.
Yes, not uncommon. I've had professors throw chalk, erasers, drop books on the floor, etc. when they caught people sleeping or not paying attention. Even had a chemistry teacher that would light small firecrackers if his students fell asleep.
The Bird Scene.
From an actor's perspective, it is confusing why the bird scene would teach actors that only their opinion is important. While you should use your own judgement when interpreting a scene, input from others can help you improve a performance and add aspects that you've never thought about.
But nobody gave her any input on how to improve... In fact, that was specifically forbidden. Nobody's allowed to help you with the bird scene.
That's the point. It's stupid and confusing because 99% of artistic endeavours involve positive and creative criticism as well as collaboration. Especially in a high school specifically designed for students to LEARN. It's like making a med student perform surgery and not allow them to go further unless they tell their surgical leader that they don't care if the patient dies, because they did the surgery the way they wanted. No-one should ever be failed in any learning environment because they asked questions or wanted help to improve themselves.
I don't think the surgery example really holds up here... Surgery is very binary: either you save the patient, or you don't. With arts, whether or not your performance was good is completely subjective. Keep in mind, Tori didn't fail because she asked for criticism; she failed because she asked whether she did the scene right. In other words, she sought validation, not criticism. The aesop could've been handled better, but in itself it's a good one.
Thought about it, and: It's a requirement for auditioning. They want people auditioning with enough self-confidence that it won't kill them to be rejected, or who'd then ask for exact 'why not?' feedback (and waste a lot of people's time). Someone who went through The Bird Scene five+ times would have either given up or buckled down and learned a lot in the process [like Tori]. By the time you know enough to say 'Hold on, I did this scene FINE.", you've got the chops and self-confidence to go try out. (The flaw in the plan is that someone like Trina could stink on the first try and say "Forget YOU, it was perfect!", and technically 'pass'... but that's Fridge Logic for ya. ;) )
Jade's fake black eye.
How come a splash of liquid on Jade's face revealed that her black eye ruse is only make-up compared to taking her to the nurse to know that she's only faking it?
Jade probably had an icepack on her eye the whole time, until she could get into a bathroom or changing area to put her black eye makeup on.
Nah, Jade hid the black eye makeup under her wool hat until she supposedly got whacked by Tori, then quickly applied it while she covered up her "wound."
Trina and her lack of talent.
If Trina is so untalented, how did she end up getting enrolled at Hollywood Arts?
A few options. Either she tried really hard to get into the place presumably via audition. And once in, they'd be loathe to kick someone out just because they aren't as good. Or maybe her parents are paying for it. Or perhaps it's not that she sucks, just that she refuses to train or accept any help, thinking she can do it all herself.
HA is school for ALL the arts. While we've been shown that she can't sing, she may very well be an excellent dancer or something.
She doesn't appear to all that bad at acting, even.
She's pretty good at martial arts and stage combat appears to be part of the curriculum.
The latest episode reveals that the only reason she got in was that Sikowitz (the only judge present at the time) got high off of some spoiled coconut milk. What with the spiraling colors and hallucinations, he found Trina's horrible audition to be the best thing ever. She was still awful at everything, but Sikowitz accepted her before he could regain his sanity.
Why isn't Jade dead?
She says she never sweats. You need to sweat to live. Yeah.
She might have meant that she doesn't sweat alot. Or maybe she does her best not to sweat in front of people.
The way she acted when she did sweat made it seem like it was something that had never happened to her before.
Maybe she was embarrassed that she was sweating in front of other people. Knowing Jade, she probably thinks of sweating as a sign of showing weakness.
You don't need it to live, it just makes it harder too, there are people who are born without the capability to produce sweat and must take medications so they don't die. Also there are a few other ways the body cools itself before releasing sweat. EX. Cooler blood rushing to the skin.
She doesn't sweat- she glistens.
How will Victorious last more than a couple years?
First season, they seem to be all sophomores. Knowing the success of this show so far, it'll probably warrant at least 4 seasons. If there were to be a season 4, they'd all be in college. Unless they'll reveal a "Hollywood Arts University", what will they do? Have the characters held back? Or is Dan plotting to make Cat and Jade a couple, which will stir up controversy amongst the idiots that still live in the 1900's and can't accept that homosexuality is nothing taboo, then it will end up knocked off the network?
They could all end up in the same arts school for college.
What are you talking about? They'll do what is done for every show, drag out one school year into multiple seasons. Countless shows with teens do it all the time.
Not to mention it's possible they may or may not have been held back.
Victorious is not receiving a fourth season. Resolved.
Why no Understudies in "Tori The Zombie"
I'm currently rewatcing the episode and I always scratch my head to the plot. Why would a school, who's entire curriculum is dedicated to the performing arts, not cast any understudies for their plays, especially one as important as in this episode?
...Huh. Good point. Why don't they?
Especially because Jade offers to do the part. Why didn't they have Tori and Jade switch parts? Or if it's a smaller part, have someone else learn it really quick? I mean, I get that if Tori and Jade switch parts, it might be distracting to have Tori come out in make up like that..
For the purposes of drama. The fact that Tori has a bad makeup job right before her big performance needs to be a big deal.
Also, the teachers are insane. I'm not sure they would even consider the possibility of needing an understudy.
Why no ending to Cat's plot in Rex dies?
How long is she there? (seemed like the doctors wanted her to stay for quite a while...) and after dealing with Rex why diden't her friends go looking for her? Lack of episode time I suppose but not knowing what happened isn't cool!
First, check your spelling. Second, what was she even put in the mental ward for? Being silly?
I have to assume it was cut for time, but there may have been a during credits scene (where they advertise the slap) that explains what happened. Someone with iTunes will have to confirm.
Ooh if there is a scene on the itunes I hope someone puts it on youtube! Jade asked her to go talk to the nurse and Cat was just being Cat and she told the nurse she was there because the puppet got into an accident so apperently they thought she was crazy so thats why she was put there. So yeah in a way silliness. I fixed the spelling too.
Why do they hang out with Jade?
She's such a vile bitch. It makes me wonder how she earned her Darkhorse status. I mean, I know she's dating Beck, but even he's not safe from her bitchiness.
Rule of Funny. It's one of the oldest Sitcom cliches, the antagonistic asshole friend.
Because she's a Jerk with a Heart of Gold, and is really hot, and is probably hooking up with all of them (besides Andre and Robbie). I mean, Beck is canon.. But you can just tell her and Cat have something more and then there's her and tori's love-hate.. But more on this in WMG / Fetish Fuel / Getting Crap Past the Radar
Heart of gold!? She stole a pint of blood to get the lead in a school play! I'm pretty sure that's a felony.
One thing I know is a felony is that she broke into Tori's medical records. Typical of the Schneider-verse, she didn't get arrested.
And what about when she nearly ruined Tori's prom just because Tori wouldn't cancel it so Jade could do her performance (Tori didn't even know she had one coming up)?! Heart of gold my ass!
She, not Tori has Robbie's best interests as her primary concern in Rex Dies. It's Jade's idea to let him believe Rex is actually dead so he can maybe get over the whole thing. Tori screws up her plan, but Jade is the one who wanted to help her friend in the long run, even if he would feel bad in the short term. Beyond that, she's generally pretty nice to Cat (does Cat ever randomly overreact to Jade like she does to everyone else?), and everyone likes Cat, so they may just put up with her because Cat likes her.
The bigger question is why do they hang out with Andre? Beck and Jade I get, they're dating. Robbie and Cat I get, they probably met through therapy or something like that. Jade and Cat seem to be friends (probably from way back) so that connects Robbie and Beck by proxy. But how does Andre connect to any of them?
In the pilot, Andre is supposed to be working with Trina for a performance. When he came over, Tori was there working on a science project. That's how they met. Then, when Tori had to take Trina's place in the show, it was Andre who encouraged her to do so, as well as transfer to Hollywood Arts and he also comforted her when Jade embarrassed her. In short, Andre is close to Tori and is also the reason she attended HA (she wasn't going to take the offer until he asked the audience for their opinion of her).
While that connects Tori and Andre, there's still no real connection between Andre and anybody else in the group. In the flashback in "The Great Ping Pong Scam", everybody (minus Tori obviously) was already hanging out. I understand why Beck and Jade and Robbie and Cat hang out but how Andre joined the group hasn't been explained yet.
It seems more apparent that Beck and Andre are friends. He's seen hanging out with Beck more than Robbie is. Not only that, but since when did there have to be distinct connections between the characters? If they're a group of friends who hang out together often, why does there need to be a line of relationships that connectst them to each other?
It's not necessary but it does make some sense of why such a diverse group of people hang out together. For example, it's unlikely that someone like Robbie would hang out with someone like Jade if there weren't some mutual friend to connect the two.
They have two 'mutual friends'. One is Sikowitz. The way their school works appears to based around each class having one single drama teacher for their education (it's not an entirely unknown property, lots of schools will at least in the first year of highschool keep an entire class together for the entire year before it splits into elective subjects), and here only one overall class is done that way. They were shown in previous episodes that they were all with Sikowitz before Tori showed up. The other is Beck. The existing circle of friends likely developed when Beck hooked up with Jade. Before that there was the Cat <-> Jade connection, and the Robbie <-> Beck <-> Andre connection. When he connects with Jade, Beck becomes part of both groups, they eventually intermingle and end up with a circle that looks like Cat <-> Jade <-> Beck <-> Andre <-> Beck <-> Robbie. The other connections (ie, Jade/Robbie, Andre/Robbie, Cat/Andre, Beck/Cat, Cat/Robbie) still happen, but they are clearly not as strong as the foundations.
A simple explanation is that Jade is easily pissed off and can occasionally become violent or otherwise vindictive towards people who she feels have wronged her, so no one wants to be the one to tell her she can't hang out with them.
Cat and Jade are alreadyfriends to start with, as well as Beck and Andrť. Robbie and Cat has a thingfor each other. Jade have to befriend Robbie in order not to hurt Cat's fragile feelings, as well as forced to respect him for Rex is more a Deadpan Snarker then herself. Beck and Jade's hooking up bring the two circles together which is later joined by Tori, who started off as a friend of Andrť. Later in the show Tori became friend of Cat, Robbie and Beck, tying this group more tight together and replaced Jade as the hub of the group, hence the group did not fall apart when Beck and Jade broke up.
When is Jade going to figure out that Tori has absolutely no intention of stealing Beck from her?
It's been several episodes now since Tori helped Jade get back together with Beck (which is often taken by fans as the number one sign that Tori isn't out to steal Beck from Jade), but Jade still seems to be suspicious of Tori's every move. For example, in "A Film By Dale Squires", Tori says "Beck, I want you on the couch" and Jade's reaction is to say "Girl..." to Tori in an "I'm warning you" tone. First of all, not only was Tori's statement made in the completely innocent context of giving Beck a stage direction, but given what a massive attitude problem Jade has when it comes to Beck, Tori probably wouldn't have had a hard time convincing Beck to go out with her instead and could have done so in any previous episode if that was her inclination. Come on Jade, stop being so paranoid.
Well Jade does show jealous tendencies toward any girl who comes anywhere near Beck. And considering the number of girls constantly fawning over Beck (The group of girls who gathered to watch him fix Robbie's car, the director's assistant from "The Wood," the female paramedic who asked if he was in college, etc...) her jealously seems pretty justified. And while Beck doesn't show any desire to actually cheat on Jade, he does seem to like the attention.
Well sure, but by now she should know Tori better than that. Tori's done everything she could to build an admittedly tenuous friendship with Jade. Does Jade really think she's going to throw it away over Beck? (Especially since Tori has shown absolutely zero interest in Beck since the pilot.)
There's this thing where sometimes, people hold grudges. And does it really seem like Jade is the type to not hold a grudge?
Not to mention that, as said earlier, Beck doesn't exactly help to ease that jealousy. Tori hasn't made a move on Beck since the pilot, but remember that Beck was the one who kissed Tori in that episode. It was an improv. exercise that he was familiar with, he claims to focus on acting, and if he'd wanted to he could have simply declined Tori's suggestion that they kiss. Yet instead he readily agreed. Between his relaxed attitude on the subject and how every girl in the series seems to find him attractive, her jealousy is pretty reasonable.
And then there was Tori Goes Platinum. yeesh.
That last example doesn't really count, as at that point they were broken up, and he was most likely just trying to move on, having excepted that it was over between them. Considering his serious and mature personality, its hardly out of character for him.
Beck's seeming enjoyment of Jade's jealously could be a bit deeper than that, Jade is hardly the most open or emotive person, even when there alone together, she still acts at least somewhat reserved. So its probable that her being jealous is the only sign Beck gets she is still interested in him, in which case its no wonder he enjoys it when she's jealous.
Why wasn't Jade flipping out when Cat kissed Beck in 'A Film By Dale Squires' but flipped out when Tori kissed Beck in the Improv thing in the pilot?
I mean she was playing a part. She's being such a hypocrite, obviously she feels threatened by Tori and/or is jealous of her too.
She doesn't feel threatened by Cat and she didn't flip out, I know their friends and all but if any girl kissed Beck she would go full blast bitch on you. Hmmm.... I wonder why she's so easy on Cat.
Cat was following a script. She didn't kiss Beck because she wanted to, she did it because her character was supposed to. Tori, on the other hand, was doing improv, and kissed Beck for the sole purpose of pissing Jade off.
I think you missed watching the part that Jade's role bitch-slapped the dead character of Cat. She even justified it that "I think that's what my character will do." Most of the episodes involve any of the characters being vindictive one way or another anyway.
That isnít method acting!
Itís absolutely not just simply get a character and not breaking it no matter what. Just shouting ďIíM A POLICE OFFICER!Ē over and over isnít method acting, itís BAD acting. Not only that but the sheer unreasonableness of their teacher with Robbie and Andre breaking character. Robbie was just concerned with the teacherís health, something that if happened on any stage (unscripted) would cause even the best actors to drop character. And Andre had to deal with a clear and present interruption to their exercise. Letís face it, Andreís grandmother is mentally unwell, so that could be considered a small sort of emergency.
Tori's still kind of new to the school and Andrť is more of a musician than an actor, so their bad acting is excusable. Notice that Beck, Cat and Jade did quite a good job on their respective characters. Furthermore, Sikowitz is insane. You can't expect him to be reasonable about the breaking character.
Sikowitz going through the window was purposefully set up as a test. So when Robbie broke character to check on him he was falling for Sikowitz's trap and got booted. I do agree Tori's acting was just bad. It seems like she just has no improv skills and fell back on stating what her character was over and over. But she did technically stay in character, which was the only criteria for the exercise, it was just a BAD character.
This troper thinks it was because they all intentionally gave each other the most 2-dimensional characters they could think of as a way of emlinating the person they were choosing for so they would have a better chance at winning themselves. Tori was only given "a lady police officer who wears too much red lipstick and is obessed with Rasin Bran." There isn't much you can do with that description. The others all had characters where they had leeway-well, except Andre, but all he had to do was sit and pant and people believed it. Tori did such a lousy job becuase she literally had nothing to work with.
What did Ryder need Tori for?
From what is shown, he's not a bad singer, and I doubt he needed to really try that hard for a good grade. So why did he go so far out of his way to get Tori?
His character is portrayed as a user. He charms the girls for his projects "just for the show of it" and as part-time girlfriends then dumps them like expired medicine once he gets his A-grade. Tori was just the one brave enough to initiate breaking his streak.
On top of that, Ryder is shown to get a kick out of playing with girl's emotion. Check out how he "breaks up" with Tori, he was using her and broke up with her to force her to come crawling back to him and beg him to take her back. The only reason he would've done that is because he gets a big kick out of manipulating people. Which to be honest, makes his humiliating defeat all the more satisfying. The point was that Ryder was a villain and was supposed to be seen as such. Making him do something for no other reason than he likes to do it makes it clear we're supposed to cheer when he's taken down, which they succeeded in doing.
Cat and Northstar
That left a horrible taste in my mouth. Seriously. These are people who are seriously injured! One can't even say ambulance. She says she's been getting tons of calls - but didn't call the paramedics (until Rex suggests it, and after t
hat, we don't know if she did). Everyone looks bewildered, but no one actually does anything.
Not to mention SOMEONE DIES ON THE PHONE WITH HER. Someone DIES
In Wi-Fi in the Sky, why didn't Beck just straight up tell Jade that the cheerleader was 9?
He should have just told Jade immediately upon being confronted, but nooooooo. You can even hear Beck claim that she never gave him a chance to confess. Uh, YES SHE DID! We know for a fact that he has never been afraid to be open with her, like in Jade Dumps Beck, so this isn't right. Rule of Funny, perhaps, but still...
He probably didn't tell her so he could watch the her embarrassment when she found out the truth. Beck does seem to enjoy getting Jade all riled up for fun. He once posted on The Slap that a bunch of girls in bikinis show up and have a huge water fight just to give a quick JK when Jade freaks out.
You don't notice it unless you pay attention, but when they're arguing about it afterwards, Jade says something along the lines of "You just love making me jealous!" This is probably the reason he didn't tell her. Maybe it turns him on when she get's clingy and jealous, or maybe he just wanted to see her embarrassed as payback for overreacting in the first place. Because, in all fairness, she did jump to conclusions before he had the chance to explain. But then he could have told her anytime after that, while she was at his RV waiting for his cheerleader friend to come back. He probably just thought, "Screw it, let her think what she wants."
Beck totally loves to rile Jade up.
Jade didn't exactly give him time to explain. She just rushed right over to confront him.
Did you not watch the parts where it was clear that Jade was sitting and waiting for said cheerleader to come? They were video chatting for how long and Beck couldn't explain to her throughout all that time?]
Because, he's obviously as much of a jerk-ass as Jade and likes getting under her skin as much as she does to other people. Why else do you think they're perfect for each other? they're the same type of asshole. He just hides it.
From the way he reacts when she discovers, its pretty clear that is deliberate. Why do it? Well either he was trying to teach her a lesson about being jealous and not trusting him. Or he just likes rifling her up.
In "Sleepover at Sikowitz's", didn't Jade sort of break character earlier than the time that was noted by Sikowitz?
This sort of depends on how you define "breaking character", but in one scene Tori is playing her police officer role and shoving Raisin Bran in Beck's mouth. Jade walks over and says to "Mr. British Man" that "horrible things might happen if that continues." Now, while she does maintain her role, it's out of character for an innocent farm girl to be concerned about the conduct of a British man she's never met before and a police officer she's never met before.
It wasn't a direct breaking of character, and besides, if confronted, she could always just say she meant he could choke on all that Raisin Bran.
Where the hell did the gang get so much money to buy all that ice cream?
Didn't they have like 30 bucks near the end when they went to the store for the nutty type?
They went through 617 cartons of ice cream. I'm not sure how much a carton is, but they probably came a long way with the $1,000 they got for singing Favourite Foods. Not to mention they paid with song in The Great Ping-Pong Scam, meaning they still had that $1,500 they scammed from the school as well...
But The Diddly Bops comes before The Great Ping Pong Scam if we're going in filming order (which, for all I know, might not actually be canon, but w/e). And how did they "scam" $1,500 from the school? Didn't they need to pay $1,300 to avoid arrest in the ping pong episode?
The restaurant considered their bill paid in exchange for Tori and Andre providing the entertainment. (If you look on The Slap, Andre says that Tell Me That You Love Me "got them out of paying for dinner."
I would've taken that to mean they didn't get arrested for not paying the excess. And you have to remember they only would've had $1100 if $400 is used to buy a nice trophy.
All the kids in Dan schneider shows have unreasonably high amounts of money. It took me literally six years to obtain 1,000 dollars, yet these guys just go through it quickly (all the ice cream, Robbie buying Sinjin's bike for $400) so I think money is an expendable thing in this show. Who knows? Maybe they have extremely high allowances and part time jobs.
In a nice area of CA, as urban as LA, I'd hardly think it would take 6 years to get $1000. That said, weren't they all comparatively broke when Jade was trying to put on her play during Wok Star?
Going by the appearance of Tori's house, I think it's safe to say her family is at least upper-middle-class. At least. Perhaps Tori had a lot of money saved up and used it on the ice cream (I know it's stupid, but...)?
If you think about it as 600 x $4 (wild guess) and divide by 6 (# of people), it's only a bit over $400 each - still an outrageous price to pay for a concert ticket, but there are definitely tickets that DO cost that much.
Outrageous price to pay for an ordinary concenrt ticket, definitely. Outrageous price to pay for a personal appearance and concert in your living room...maybe not so much. (And in Tori's case, totally worth it to not have to continue playing personal assistant to her extremely annoying sister.))
What kind of hospital leaves blood bags lying around?
In "Tori Gets Stuck" not once but twice Tori's blood donation is ruined because staff at the hospital leaves the bags unattended. The entire conflict could have been resolved fairly easily is someone had just kept a damn eye on the blood bags!
We're talking about the same doctors who let Trina and Cat into a TB ward and actively encouraged Tori to donate three pints of blood, given that donating two pints of blood is some what risky (only some people can do it) three pints of blood is just plain malpractice. Robbie wasn't actually in any immediate danger, as long as the car didn't move he'd of been fine, or at least until they could get a shipment of O negative.
The writers of this show seem to have never spent time anywhere near a real hospital. Or even watched a TV show about a hospital, for that matter.
I know they needed Robbie to break the bag of blood but the doctor clearly stated that the toy car is in danger of ripping open his intestines, suggesting that a slight movement could do major damage, he's understandably terrified by this but happily gets out of bed to go thank Tori.
Why would Jade go to those lengths to steal Tori's role?
This isn't the first time that Tori has been picked for a lead in favor of Jade. In "Tori The Zombie", Tori gets the lead role in Uptown Downtown and we see evidence that Jade wanted it. (Her offering to take the role after Tori's makeup disaster) What we do not see, however, is Jade turning into a total psychopath over not getting the lead. So what made Steamboat Suzie different?
Especially in what seems like a particularly bad musical. If you're gonna go psycho for a role, make sure it's a good one...
I figured Jade was being especially vicious because Beck, who seems to be a sort of Morality Pet for her, wasn't there. She had no-one whose opinion she cared about telling her to cut it out.
Because it's Tori getting the role. Jade seems to completely hate when anything goes Tori's way. She wanted to steal the role just so Tori couldn't get it!
If you take it in context of "Tori the Zombie" as well, Jade's actions are actually Fridge Brilliance. It wasn't the first time Tori 'stole' a role from her. Tori got the lead in 'Uptown Downton': Jade was annoyed but got over it. Then Tori got another lead and so on. Eventually Jade cracked and thats why Jade went to extreme lengths. It doesn't excuse her actions, but does give some build up.
Hollywood Arts has never had a prom?
In the pilot episode, Rex says to Cat, "You really wanted a date to prom last year, but you didn't get one, did you?" But then in "Prome Wrecker," everyone claims that there has never been a prom at Hollywood Arts. What?
Cat wanted a date to a prom. No boys from other schools asked her, though. That, or Rex was just being a jerk.
Why did Tori say she beat Beck?
Wasn't the challenge "keep up the method acting until morning". They were only going up against Sikowitz, and Tori and Beck both made it until morning, so... when did they go against each other?
Well, she was the last to break character. You could argue that she did beat Beck, and Tori certainly would.
How could the Bird Scene work for other students?
They say no one can audition for a role without doing it, but how could EVERY student do it? At some point when one student did it right and stood up for themselves, they'd all know what they're supposed to do without actually experiencing it themselves.
Not so simple, the school gets hundreds of new students a year. The set-up worked with Tori because she was new and joined in the middle of the semester, but at the beginning of the year, with all the new students coming it, it seems like it'd be impossible for ALL of them to get a bird scene, and given that they apparently happen in-class, everyone else in the class would see it.
Maybe only new students who don't start the school at the start of the year do it in a class and for the students that started the school at the normal time do it like little private exams.
It's possible that not every student wants to perform in a play. Consider Sinjin: he does crew stuff and has yet to be on stage.
The bird scene is only ONE possible scenario; perhaps each new student gets a different scene to act out. After all, what works for one scene (theoretically) may not work well for another. Also keep in mind that Tori kept asking, "Did I do it right?" If she hadn't asked the first time, she probably would have passed without learning the purpose of the bird scene.
Why are the main characters the only ones who seem to get parts in the school's plays?
It seems like every school play stars the main characters, and only the main characters, like Tori, Beck and Robbie in Tori the Zombie, Robbie and Andre in Rex Dies, Tori and Andre in Tori Gets Stuck, etc.. Despite the fact that the school must be full of talented actors, other characters only seem to have minor rules in the plays. What's especially bothersome is that Robbie seems to get big roles fairly often, even through in Tori the Zombie, everyone (in-universe), including the director, seems to hate his performance, despite the fact that they cast him in a lead role!
My Hand Wave is that each specific acting class has it's own productions going. Each group have their own major performances, and play minor roles in the others. The school itself appears to have a very low student:teacher ratio and I would also assume it has a lot of facilities to ensure ongoing, multiple performances going at any time.
That Hand Wave is unnecessary, as with all television shows we are only given a small window to view these characters lives. Yes all the plays 'shown' in the episodes have had the main characters as actors, it doesn't mean that all plays in the school have such a system set up.
Although Sikowitz [[Lampshade lampshades it]] in Terror on Cupcake Street by pointing out that no-one else in the class ever says anything. Tori agrees that "they just sit there and react".
Because they're the main characters. There probably are plays in which they don't feature, or in which they only have a small role, but those aren't shown because they have little to do with the main characters.
There were plenty of non-main characters who had parts in "Uptown, Downtown" (in "Tori the Zombie"), "Well Wishes" ("Wok Star"), and "Steamboat Suzie" ("Tori Gets Stuck.").
This series is completely based around Jade, Beck, Robbie/Rex, Tori, and Andre; so why would the episode shift to watch Mary get a part in a play that none of the main characters are in? You watch the series to see what the Main/Secondary characters get into, so of course you wouldn't just cut away from them!
What, you don't count Cat and Trina as main characters?
Why did they hate being the diddly bops?
You mean you wouldn't hate having to sing that stupid song and wear those dumb costumes? I would.
But don't a lot of kid performer make good money?
Well sure. But the fact that it basically ruined Andre's music career probably turned a lot of them off of the experience.
But couldn't Andre and the others still have a great music career as the Diddly Bops?
Just because someone makes a lot of money doing something doesn't mean they'll enjoy it. And I highly doubt they wanted to be famous for dressing in stupid outfits and singing dumb songs.
Because they are young and stupid. Look at how The Wiggles got started. The kids aren't old enough to look past the potential of their group because they are worried about the 'rep' being ruined by it. A popular self-owned children's group like they were could have made them all rich enough to retire before they turned 25.
I think you guys are missing the point here. They want to be famous. You know, like Justin Beiber, Selena Gomez, Miley Cyrus, people like that. They wanted to be known for cool songs and tendy outfits, not being kids show hosts. It has nothing to do with stupidity it has to do with wanting something other than just the quickest way to the money.
I think it has everything to do with stupidity and little to do with a quick money. They want to be famous for being amazing, not as performers for children which offers limited growth and is apparently embarrassing. So instead of being like Miley Cyrus, they'd want to be like MJ or Madonna.
Why do they overproduce almost every song Victoria Justice sings?
They finally did one without any autotune correction (a cover of I Want You Back), and she an excellent singer.
The end of Locked Up
Why did the gang just flee during their performance without waiting to hear the chancellor's verdict? Sure, it's a slight twist from what i'm sure most people were expecting, but still. (My guess is that his clapping wasn't showing that he was in big favor...) Also, am I the only one who think he and that judge took that whole thing way out of line?
Unless I missed something, that performance was an "apology" for the incident that got them locked up to begin with, nothing they would have done was likely to have them freed, let alone risk giving up their one chance.
Oh, I thought it was about performing to attempt to please him and convince him to free them-I had no idea that their intention was to abandon the performance. Also, why did she have to lie and say that what she did was on purpose? Would he just not have approved her request otherwise?
Was "A Film By Dale Squires" based off an iCarly episode?
Because I remember not long before the episode aired, that someone posted on the Victorious Wiki that it "sounds EXACTLY like that iCarly episode". I don't remember any episode of iCarly where the trio is met with a snotty filmmaker. The closest thing I recall to that was iRocked the Vote, but whoever said that might be thinking of something else.
They might have been thinking of "iTake on Dingo", where they go up against a network that was ripping off their ideas for their own shows. "A Film By Dale Squires" had Dale taking credit for something that wasn't his until he gave some credit on a late night talk show. There are some similarities, but not much. Otherwise, I can't think of an iCarly episode that was like "A Film By Dale Squires".
iRocked the Vote sounds correct to me...a snotty artist of some sort who basically makes the gang miserable and in the end, gets humiliated publicly...
Jade's reaction to Tori saving her in Locked Up
So, when Tori helped Jade get back together with Beck, Jade "owed her one" (her words). When Tori helped keep Jade's play from looking like a joke in front of her dad, Jade was grateful enough to hug her for it. How is it that Jade considers both of those actions to be more deserving of gratitude than Tori saving her life?
It's just in her character. In earlier episodes, she probably would have been thankful, but in recent episodes she has gone from being just mean and possessive to being a sociopathic bitch whose attitude is likely to get her killed one day, as shown by that scene.
Also, Jade may have been embarrassed about not being able to handle the situation herself and didn't want to admit that she needed Tori's help.
But still, Tori saved her life, so she still should have at least manage a "Thank you" instead of saying she didn't need her help, pride be damned.
But it wouldn't. Be. In. Character. That's the point. The word up there is "should." Sure, she probably SHOULD have, but she's Jade, and that isn't in-character for her, whether it ticks your morality-meter off or not.
It was physical danger, and Jade likes physical pain. Jade is only grateful for help with emotional and social problems. Also, in both the Beck situation and the dad situation, Jade asked Tori for help, so she could just resent people who try to rescue her without her consent.
In the prom episode, why couldn't Jade have her play in the Black Box theater?
The cafe wasn't the only place she could have had it.
Because the Asphalt Cafe probably would have had more room for her art project and how it was going to work. And that brings me to my question: Did they need to use the outside area for their prom? I'm sure they could have moved it inside, as well.
It may have been booked already.
Well if you think about it, who is going to see a play about a clown dying when they can get dazzled up for a prom? It might not just have been an overbooking thing, but the predicted audience.
Most people consider him the former, but for "episodes where he is clearly the villain of the piece" (as said on that trope's page), I only got Robarazzi. Sure, he can be irritating (like in Wi-Fi in the Sky), but for goodness sakes, he's been rejected on endless occasions, had a small toy car forced into him when he was little, and got savagely beaten by mothers just for offering free ice cream to their children. Is the general conseus that the Jerkass side outweights the Woobie side for him? I see him more as regular. He's not completely ignorant.
That's exactly what bugs me. From the "episodes where he is clearly the villain of the piece," I figured his character in the play in "Tori the Zombie," but in that case we're on a completely different subject. From what I've seen, he's just as irritating as Steve Urkel at worst.
He Seems like a nerdier, more annoying version of Freddie Benson. If Freddie can be a regular Woobie, why not Robbie?
Actually, Robbie reminds this troper of Krillin. They both get a lot of hate/pain that they don't deserve. I mean, the first villain in DBZ smacks Krillin into a house just because Krillin asked him politely to leave
Rex anyone? Robbie is controlling Rex who frequently annoys other classmates and severely injured Trina for no justifiable reason.
Why isn't Andre's grandmother in a mental hospital?
I might not be a mental illness expert, but anyone could tell she's mentally unstable. At the very least, she should be on medication, but there's no hint of her being on any kind of treatment (medicine, therapy, etc). Why not?
Still, though, Rule of Funny aside, how could she not be in a mental hospital or receiving some kind of treatment?
Who would check her in to such a hospital? She's obviously too insane to check herself in and Andre probably wouldn't be able to on his own. In order to have someone committed to a mental hospital, you need to have a diagnosis of mental disorder from a therapist. (At least, I think that's how it works.) Since Andre's grandmother almost never leaves the house, she probably doesn't see a therapist.
In severe cases, the police and/or paramedics can be called take a mentally unstable person to the hospital, while there, the doctors can decide if she needs to be committed or not. However, Andre would have to make that call, which would probably lead him to either be placed in foster care or to have to live with a relative would doesn't live near Hollywood Arts. So he just puts up with it, presumably until he graduates or becomes famous.
Does Tori spend the most of the party in the 'iParty with Victorious' with soiled pee pants?
Sikowitz tries to scare the main cast memmbers at the party. Tori twice mentions how he scared the pee out of her. Yet she remains in the same clothes. Is a pee-joke worth making someone(especially the star) look childishly gross? Even small amounts of urine don't just disappear unless the clothes are washed.
"Scared the pee out of me" is a figure of speech. She just meant he freaked her out, not that actual pee was involved.
But when asked, Tori specifically reiterates "YES! I PEED!" Seems like an awfully literal line for a figure of speech.
Perhaps she didn't have another pair of pants and was just playing it off?
It's making fun of the phrase "You scared the crap outta me!".
Urine dries though, and I don't think she was planning on showing her panties to anyone, so it's not a big deal for one party. Plus, her pants didn't look wet so it was probably just a small amount and that would dry quick.
What possible qualifications does Helen have for taking over Hollywood Arts? And what gives her any authority to kick a student out?
Seriously.. she was a movie theatre owner. How does this make her in any way qualified to run the school? And how can she kick anyone out with a snap of her fingers? Tori would have been at the school for nearly a year by the time she shows up. Helen wouldn't have the authority to do that. Anyone she kicked out would end up going to the school board and getting her fired immediately.
See below: Helen is a real person and a fictional person at the same time. Thus Helen could be an established actress with a recurring role on Drake & Josh.
Principals can kick out any student at anytime for any reason. As for qualifications, her role in the show Happy Times could count. It shows she knows at least some things about acting and possibly singing.
They can't just kick anyone out at any time for any reason. That's not legal.
It's a private school though, by audition only. If they had to audition to get in, they can be asked to reaudition.
Fair enough, but has there ever even been any indication that Hollywood Arts is a private school? In New York at least, schools like La Guardia Arts and Frank Sinatra HS require auditions to get in, but are classified as public schools. Cutting to the chase, as a public school, the principal would at the very least need to have a meeting with the school board and present a reason as to why a student is being expelled. In Tori's case, saying "I'm kicking her out because she sucks" wouldn't really be legitimate, even for an arts school. Unless art schools have a different expulsion procedure, I really don't see how Helen, the NEW principal, could kick anyone out.
To the person who said it's illegal, I don't know about you, but at my school, expelling a student is as simple as suspending them. Actually, simpler. All the vice principal (yes, I said vice) has to do is tell you "go home".
Helen. Is a real person. And a fictional person. At the same time.
Helen showing up creates a paradox within shows. Drake and Josh appears as a fictional show within iCarly and Victorious whereas Helen, Craig, Erik and even Josh Nichols are real persons in the latter 2 shows.
Actually, they aren't in the same universe. There's an episode in iCarly in which Carly wishes she was more dubious, more of a trickster. Anyway, in that episode, a depressed Carly is shown watching Drake and Josh, a scene in which Megan (also played my Miranda Cosgrove) has just played a prank on Drake and Josh. After which she says "Why can't I be more like that little girl?" So yeah, Drake and Josh is in a different universe from iCarly, Victorious and Zoey 101.
Even if that's true, it's still a paradox: In "Who Did It To Trina?" Cat recounts the plot of an episode of Drake & Josh, which all of the other characters recognize as such, but in the episode immediately before that, no one notices how Helen strongly resembles a character from a show they are all obviously fans of.
She doesn't just resemble the character. She was the manager of the San Diego Premiere Theater (The same place Drake and Josh is set) and stared in the TV Show "Happy Times", unless Drake and Josh is based off Helena's life and they've found an amazingly similar actress to play her (not outside the realm of possibilities) she's the same person.
The only explanation that really seems to avoid the paradox is to say that Drake & Josh exists as a show in Victorious, but that Helen was never a character on it in this storyline.
That cuts out Crazy Steve too.
Yeah, Victorious and iCarly are clearly in the same universe, and at the end of Helen's first episode she mentions Crazy Steve. Who was played by the same actor who plays Spencer on iCarly. To say the least, that confused this tropette. Not to mention that Miranda Cosgrove was a main character in both iCarly and Dark and Josh...
Drake and Josh is a fictional show that used the Premiere as a set, and everyone played themselves, ie, Josh played Josh, Helen played herself, and after the show she decided to be come principal of Hollywood Arts. Done and Done.
What exactly does Jade have against Tori again? It seems like she just hates Tori for no reason and is only there to bully her (in the most recent episodes).
Here's how I see it; Jade had to work to get to where she is, or was, at Hollywood Arts. Tori came along with no real desire and was instantly put at the top. So, Jade hates that Tori has everything come easily to her. Or maybe she just likes getting under her skin.
There's also the fact that Tori did kiss her boyfriend.
Yeah, but that was at the beginning of the show! The show's in the 2nd season! If that's really why, Jade needs to get over it! Plus, she did deserve it. She poured coffee in Tori's hair.
WMG: Tori is Jade's best friend. This is how she expresses affection.
That seems pretty plausible. I mean, look at how Jade treats Beck: She's completely in love with him (if we're to take her Clingy Jealous Girl behavior as a sign of love) and yet he's no more exempt from her bad attitude than anyone else.
Then again, Jade seems to treat Andre better than even Beck and Cat as she, as stated on the WMG page, only yelled at him once.
This could reinforce it more. Andre is too close for Jade to treat him like a random person, but not close enough that she'll treat him like her "friends"
How is a technical theater class a prerequisite for an R&B Vocals class?
Those aren't even related subjects. Typically a prerequisite course has some connection to the class it's required for.
It was an advanced R&B vocals class, so she probably needed to fulfill all her core requirements (like tech theater) before taking an advanced level class.
Does Cat have a disorder?
The way Cat behaves makes me think she has some kind of mental or learning disorder rather than she's just merely quirky, especially later in the show. If someone behaved that way in real life, what could they have?
She might have ADD or even ADHD.
Cat displays a lot of traits that are similar to Histrionic Personality Disorder (Over-exaggerated emotions,over-sexualized behaviors, etc) or Borderline Personality Disorder (Being easily offended, self-destructive behavior like her shopping addiction). It could be that she has some mix of the two. (Personality Disorder NOS)
Robbie mentioned her as bipolar in one of his songs on The Slap.
Why did absolutely no one realize there was an emergency exit on the top of Beck's RV?
This goes for the kids, writers, and fans alike. I myself recently was told, by my mother who happened to be in the room, that the exit was located right on the roof the the vehicle. One could just chalk it up to Rule of Funny, but exits like those are used when a borderline dangerous situation is occurring; like a fire, or when people become trapped. Oh wait,that IS what happened
Well, since they needed them to be trapped in there for the plot, it probably would have made no difference anyway. The writers would have just come up with some other way to keep them trapped. In-universe though, they were probably just too busy freaking out about being trapped. I can say from personal experience that panicking can make you miss otherwise obvious details.
The same reason none of the other exits worked. The rapper replaced the roof exit with bulletproof glass. It makes more sense when you are apparently in so much danger that you need to bulletproof your RV, that you would do all of it. If you put an emergency exit, come under attack, you'd get shot coming out of the top, or someone would climb on top and shoot into the RV or drop a grenade or something. Another potentially relevant question is did the rapper have an emergency exit put in the floor?
Why is Robbie so desperate about getting a girlfriend and receiving attention?
One reason is he might feel left out because all of his friends have or have had relationships. Jade and Beck are together, Cat has gotten multiple guys (Trapped In An RV, Cat's New Boyfriend, Prom Wrecker), Tori had two relationships (though one was false) and Andre had a date/girlfriend in Prom Wrecker.
Christmas episode grading
In the Christmas episode, Andre gets a bad grade on his Christmas song. Tori and friends put on the song for the teacher, who then upgrades the grade because of the presentation. Huh? Any good actors/musicians worth their chops can carry a bad song/plot - but that doesn't mean the original version was worth anything. And it's not like Andre was the one who arranged the production - if anyone deserves credit it's Cat, Tori and Jade!
The whole reason for the performance was to get the teacher to up Andre's grade. In other words, the girls intended for Andre to get the credit.
Lets say you write a paper on World War II, and get a low grade. You bring in James Earl Jones to read it aloud for the teacher. That doesn't make your paper any better, it's just being read aloud by someone with talent. Andre didn't change his song, it just got performed by girls who could sing and dance.
You are right about that, but you're forgetting one thing. Andre didn't ask the girls to do it. They volunteered. In fact, the whole thing was Tori's idea.
Actually, it was Jade's idea. It was her gift to Tori, remember?
Bob Dylan writes All Along the Watchtower. Great song. One of his best. But still lacks a little something. So Hendrix does a cover and it becomes an instant classic and turns what Dylan wrote into one of the best songs of all time.
And so the cover is attributed to Hendrix, not Dylan.
I think what you're forgetting here is that Tori, Cat, and Jade were happy to give credit to Andre. They were doing this to help him. If you're arguing that they deserve credit for it, then you could also argue that it's their right to give credit to someone else.
However it is not allowed in any educational institution to have other people do your assignment for you and get graded for it. Otherwise you could hire someone to do your schoolwork for you. In the confines of the teacher's assignment, Andre had to write a song and turn it in written or preform it himself. According to those guidelines, his grade shouldn't change.
It was a Christmas miracle?
There's also the annoying Fridge Logic that the teacher must have had good reason to give Andre the score that he gave him in the first place. Teachers don't hand out failing or bad grades for no reason, and they don't do so without the scrutiny of the school district. To credit Andre's grade up from a D to an A will reflect on him in his job evaluation. Was the song simply not that good on paper? Was the teacher in a bad mood when he graded it? If it was good in the first place, the principal will ask why it was given a bad grade, and if it was bad, the principal will ask why is the student being rewarded for shoddy work. Either the teacher's a bad teacher, or Andre did a bad assignment. MST3K Mantra is required for this episode.
Dickers not confiscating the phones?
Why didn't Principal Dickers take the box of phones out of the room instead of leaving them on top of the bookshelf? Granted, Tori only uses it to call Trina and get her to bring tacos, but still.
I think it was established early in the episode that Dickers is a complete idiot, so it doesn't surprise me in the least.
Could Dickers get in trouble if that were real life?
This question is really more curiosity than anything, but after watching the scene with him and Tori in the closet, I really cannot help wondering that if this were real life, could Dickers get in serious trouble (if it were reported). That just cannot be legal.
Well other than being a jackass, he didn't really do anything wrong. He didn't rape her, he didn't hit her, he yelled at her a lot, but didn't physically force her to do anything against her will. So unless just bringing her into the closet was illegal, then he'd probably be all right.
I was referring to some of the things he was saying to her that just don't sound right to me, but maybe it's just me.
Yeah, but they weren't illegal. He didn't threaten her or proposition her or say anything else that would constitute a crime. He just gave her a lot of grief. Like I said, he's a jackass, but he didn't do anything that he could get locked up for.
Actually, I was wondering the same thing.I mean, he dragged her forcibly into the janitor's closet and tried to make her pop an arm pimple, and when he tried to kill the fly she looked extremely terrified that he was going to hit her. Then he leaves and locks her in the closet with his key. Couldn't that at least be frowned upon by the school board?
Well yeah, probably, but that's not important to the story, so most likely we'll never know whether he got in trouble or not.
Is Nick under-promoting the show lately?
Last night we didn't get a promo for Andre's Horrible Girl until a rerun of Bucket and Skinner's Epic Adventures (which, as we all know, is in the slumps). Yet, How to Rock got a new promo right after that new episode ended. But after The Breakfast Bunch we got a promo for The Gorilla Club immediately after. What's up with that? Does it have anything to do with the show's ratings declining lately?
School only for Performing?
Is the school only for actors, singers, dancers and musicians? I mean, they've mentioned a few times that there are costume design, makeup, and technology classes (otherwise Sinjn would be gone), but what about artists and writers? Robbie mentions Creative Writing and a lot of the lockers show off pretty good artwork. So do you ahve to either be an actor, singer, musician, or dancer to get into the school? or can you be like, an author or artist and get in for that talent?
Most likely. Jade is known to be a really good play writer, and there's mostly to be artists other than ones who do makeup.
Dan Schneider's blog: "Victorious is a show about a girl named Tori who find herself attending a high school for the performing arts."
How is it that Sikowitz could force Tori and Jade go on a date, giving them a failing grade if they don't ?
The Jori shippers are helping him.
He really just left them there to hang out for a few hours. He never said it had to be a successful "date".
My money is on the fact that he really couldn't give them a failing grade. He doesn't have the power to fail them based just on that, but his students are gullible/trusting enough to think he does and so they do what he says. This goes for any other batshit crazy assignment he "forces" them into.
My money is on the fact that Sikowitz really is batshit crazy sometimes and it's entirely in his power to make that play worth the most for the term and then give essentially no work to Tori or Jade, making it impossible to recover.
I know I was the one who posted the question, but one reason I thought of is that teachers can make students do stuff outside of school when it's a private school ( I think HA is one ).
I went to private school and I can safely say that they can't, even if Hollywood Arts is one (I was under the impression it was public, but like a charter school). Private schools still have to follow certain guidelines in order to be accredited so that their students can get into college with on of their diplomas and their credits can transfer to other schools. Teachers are still evaluated and have they have to answer to the principal and while they might be able to include random things in their grading, I had a religion teacher that use to like to take students out to pick up the recycling around school and sort it during class and count that as participation or extra credit) but they can't really force students to do things out side of school unless it's a school-wide requirement, like service hours and even then it's rarely so specific. Anytime a teacher wants to do something like that, it generally has to be extra credit and they'd never be able to single out a couple of students, force them to go on a date and pay for it with their own money. That's, like, seven different levels of improper and the school would be liable for it all.
Where did the fake Gibby head come from?
In April Fools Blank, during the ending performance, you can see the fake Gibby head that Spencer was playing with when Tori ran through the iCarly loft-and at one point during the song Trina clearly picks it up. How did they get their hands on it?
A helicopter in that episode also took Tori to her class, where did that come from?
They hang out with Trina as of now, but aforementioned by Jade, no one likes her. In fact, Jade even threw a pillow at her face and threatened to toss a hammer at her next. We already know how Jade is herself, so there's no need to go into that. Then we have Robbie, who's practically treated as a social reject, when his so-called friends blatantly want nothing to do with him in "Wifi in the Sky". Yes, there were working on a project, but you know there's something wrong when he had to join the chat through a girl's persona. Then we have Andre, who's not even that nice when you pay attention to it. He flat out indirectly insulted Cat's intelligence by hoping she'll say something bright for once whenever she opens her mouth, and flipped Robbie out of his chair in a tantrum because he was angry over a grade. You wonder how these people manage to associate with each other.
Tori, Beck and Cat tie everyone together. Cat is very close to Jade and Robbie, and everyone seems to like Cat, so they tolerate and learn to accept Robbie for her. Before Jade and Beck broke up they were a couple, tying her into the group. Tori is best friends with Andre, Andre is best friends with Beck. Tori is good friends with Cat, and Trina is Tori's sister and since they hang out at Tori's a lot they tolerate Trina. Plus, this IS Dan Schneider show. They act this way and are still somehow friends for the sake of comedy.
But they were all friends before they even knew Tori existed...
Well, it didn't really seem like they were friends with Trina before (Trina was upset with being paired with Andre), so if you don't count Trina, it pretty much still stands.
Beck and Jade (and Trina, in a way) definitely tie everyone together. First, Beck and Andre are best friends, Then Beck and Jade start to date, so Jade brings Cat, her best friend into their little circle. Then there is Robbie, who has a crush on Cat, and probably became friends with her while trying to get a date with her. The last of the group is Tori, which as we all know is brought into the group because Andre and Trina get paired together for the big showcase. When Trina can't perform, Tori has to, and before we know it, Tori goes to HA and since Trina is a pain, she becomes better friends with Andre, the only other person she knows from school, which effectively brings her into the group. It all makes sense when you really think about it.
A-freakin'-men! What's more annoying is that there are people who actually think of him as a Jerkass Woobie! Woobie? God yes! But if freaking Jade isn't classified as one, then Robbie is nowhere near being one. With Friends Like These... doesn't even begin to describe this.
Robbie was a Jerkass in the episode Robarazzi, but besides that, I agree he has total woobie status.
Robbie has been a Jerkass since day one. Is Rex no longer applicable to Robbie's character anymore?
Is Tori still only 16? What time does the show span?
In the sneak peek for tomorrow's episode, Beck says that Tori is almost 17. She mentioned in both Beck's Big Break and Locked Up that she was 16. Then again, it might be like certain animated shows where the characters don't age, but they age in iCarly so i'm not exactly sure how it works here.
Why do they hang out with Andre?
When you really pay attention to it, Andre has his moments where he isn't that nice. Making fun of Tori about her not a driving license, somewhat insulting Cat in a way about how she never makes sense, kicked Robbie out of a chair just to relieve his anger over a bad grade, and wasn't that nice to the Quartets either. He even went as far to only dating a girl because her dad was a music producer, so he was practically using her in a way. Sure, Hope was a bitch, but still.
That's like asking why they all hang out with Jade... I think it just goes to show that even though they all have their quirks, they all love and accept each other for who they are.
There's also the fact that Andre is Closer to Earth, like Beck. He wasn't the only one who made fun of Tori for not having her driver's license (not that it still isn't okay) and the quartets seemed to annoy people (everyone said no to them). As for the other examples, well, all the characters have had their Jerkass moments.
How could Daisy have auditioned for Hollywood Arts?
In Wok Star, Mrs. Lee says her daughter Daisy auditioned to enroll in Hollywood Arts, but was turned away for being talentless and irritating. The problem here is that HA is a high school and Daisy is obviously too young to be attending high school. At most, Daisy appears to be ten years old, maybe eleven, which would put her in fifth or sixth grade. Why would she have her elementary school-age daughter audition for a high school and why would the school even let her?
I was wondering about this too, so I looked it up. Daisy's actress, Jade-Lianna Peters, is actually a lot older than she looks. She would have been 14 when the episode aired.
Hollywood Arts could have a sister-school that's a middle school (Stage Fighting- there's a middle school nearby that uses the Black Box Theater)
Mrs. Lee says that her daughter auditioned for Hollywood Arts. She doesn't specify Daisy. There could be another daughter.
Did Sinjin fail a year?
During How Trina Got In in both Andre's and Sikowitz's version of the story Sinjin is already enrolled in Hollywood Arts, and he says he's been here for a year. If Trina is a senior now, that would make Sinjin in his fifth year at Hollywood Arts. Unless it's the type of High School that goes from 8th to 12th grade, which it isn't since people are already referred to as Freshman, Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors. So how does this work? Or did the writers just not care?
I think there are multiple grades included in the campus, we know of a kindergarten so it's safe to assume there's a middle school too. Possibly Sinjin is in the middle school at the time and came over to work the lights for auditions for extra credit or something. Or maybe Trina has failed a year and had entered the school as a sophomore?
Maybe Sinjin came to HA as a Freshman, but Trina came as a sophomore.
What exactly is Trina's talent?
It's been around three seasons, now. Dan needs to come up with something soon.
According to the final episode, it's being chased around by giant mice dressed as a piece of cheese.
Tori not kissing Beck
Wasn't Beck rather insensitive towards Tori, just because he wanted to kiss her? What was up with that? Hormones?
Why the sudden switch to such a patriotic song like "Make it in America"?
I have nothing against the song, but all of Tori's songs are about partying and friends and fun. Where did the sudden switch to something so patriotic come from? And what was the point of it being in the Tori Goes Platinum episode?
Victoria Justice actually wrote the song (which is only fair for Vic since Andre auditioned Leon's own original song).
1) When Tori asked Robbie and Rex how to get to Sikowitz's class, why didn't he just say, "Follow me." Literally a second after Tori enters the classroom, he comes in too.
2) Trina was prepared to sing "Make It Shine" as a ballad, why were there so many back up dancers and flashy light prepped up when Tori sang the song. And how did Tori know the choreography to a performance that wasn't supposed to happen?
1- Robbie's a nervous wreck when he's around a female (at least in the pilot) so he wouldn't think to say that. Also they needed a reason for him and Rex to both have lines, and to establish that Robbie's the bumbling nerd with the cool guy puppet. 2- Ah, that's a really good one, I haven't actually thought about that until now. Possibly for a dramatic ending?
Ponnie not getting arrested
Can someone explain how she managed to escape the police and drive Tori and Trina home?
She probably knocked one of the cops out, stole their clothes and acted inconspicuous until it was time to bring Tori and Trina home, then made sure she was the one driving the car.
How is Jade not expelled from Hollywood Arts?
You'd think with all the times she attempted to murder her friends and other cases of Disproportionate Retribution, she'd be either expelled or in jail. She flat out threatened Cat in front of both Sikowitz and the Guidance Counselor when she shaved her head (I'm still not letting that go). Since Tori Goes Platinum takes place after Crazy Ponnie development wise, it shows that she's still in school after assaulting a student. Rule of Funny shouldn't always cut blatant neglecton your job. There is only so much disbelief an audience can suspend.
It's a television show... For children... And she is one of the main characters. This isn't Degrassi, mostly everything done on this show is for laughs. Chill out dude, it's not that serious.
I agree, and Cat completely cut off her eyebrows. I'd threaten to kill her and shave her head also, if she did that to me.
RULE OF FUNNY
I disagree. Even if it is just a children's TV show, there's a line that needs to be drawn. Threats and assault, which should result in expulsion by all means, is where I would draw the line. Also, Cat waxed her eyebrows off by accident. She may have not known how to do it properly, which begs the question of why Jade allowed her to in the first place.
Ponnie believing she got expelled for Tori?
Ponnie says she came after Tori because she got expelled to make room for her. Forgive me if it's obvious, but where did that accusation come from? A student cannot be expelled to make space for another student. The school would either have to accommodate or the incoming student would have to be rejected or wait until the following year. So where's the sense in Ponnie's accusation?
She's crazy, hence the episode name Crazy Ponnie. Crazy people can believe all sorts of stuff that couldn't possibly be true.
Six days in the school?
In "Driving Tori Crazy" Tori goes to school six days in a row. The first with Trina, second with Beck, third with Andre, fourth with Robbie, fifth with Jade, and on the sixth day on a party bus. Is it just a case of Writers Cant Do Math, because if so they probably missed a golden opportunity to have one of the characters casually mention that it's Saturday in the middle of the musical number?
One of the days was going back home instead?
They're in a Performing Arts school and no Gay kids?
I realize that its a kid show, but its not like kids show haven't gotten Crap past the Radar before and feature gay characters in all but name.
Robbie and Sinjin are Ambiguously Bi/gay, as well as Rex who has occasionally flat out called guys hot or beautiful, Cat's got gay uncles, Beck's been in drag and some people seem to think Jade and Tori have little Foe Yay crushes for one another. It's not necessarily like other shows with their obviously unsaid gay characters but there's definitely some stuff going on, so at least it's not completely void of it.
So wait, are you complaining that they're not diverse enough, or that they're not using a stereotype?
Two things. 1; He lives in it, yet it apparently doesn't have a bathroom. Maybe it's just me, but it seems inconveniant to have to walk outside and to the house if you wake up in the middle of the night and need to go. 2; He says he lives in there because his parents said he had to listen to them because he lived under their roof, so his roof his rules. But he also says his father bought the RV, so isn't it still his parent's roof?
The RV is parked in his parents driveway, which is still their property. Just chalk it up to Rule of Cool and the parents apparently not caring that much.
Either there's one of those tiny RV bathrooms somewhere offscreen, or maybe Beck's perspective is like Freddie's when he got an apartment with no bathroom but a sink: Beck's got a yard and a front door.
The show ending
Dan said on his blog that when he makes a new show, he plans for it to have 60 episodes (which Drake and Josh had, and Zoey 101 had a tiny bit more but yeah). Sure, iCarly has over 100, but that's beside the point. If he was planning for 60 episodes and wasn't sure if they were going to be getting a fourth season, then how could he not make a proper ending? I've been seeing lots of people on Twitter making Twititions trying to get a "proper" ending for the show instead of the final episode being nothing but a regular one. Hopefully 327 will actually be worthwhile of it.
He's lying to try and save face and keep people interested in watching Sam & Cat. The fact is they unexpectedly cancelled the show. Dan would have believed they were going to give him at least one more half-season. Instead Nick decided to just can all their ongoing shows, Victorious is very expensive to produce but it wasn't making enough ratings or profits. They decided they'd rather just cancel their expensive show with about 10 regular cast members, and instead just take the two most popular actresses in the tween demographic (ie Ariana and Jennette) and move their characters to the new Sam & Cat show. Since Dan is running Sam & Cat he doesn't want people to get angry at Nick, himself, Ariana or Jennette which might cause them to boycott or not bother watching the channel or the new show.
Also the idea that nick shows only last about 60 episodes is another lie to save face. If the show is popular and bringing in money for Nick they aren't going to cancel it. Look at Spongebob for example. It actually first aired in the late 90's. Dan was just taking to many risks with the story lines of his episodes. Some of the most recent ones were pointless and unwatchable. Victorious lost ratings because of it so the show was cancelled. In my opinion Dan has always seemed like the type of person who has an inflated ego. He thinks everything he makes is comedy gold. He doesn't want people to know other shows not created by him (Spongebob, Big Time Rush, and How to Rock) are actually doing better then his shows. For example, Big Time Rush holds the record for the most viewed premiere episode but he tried to make people believe Nick "Messed up" the numbers.
The Nickelodeon Analysis page has a long section that will answer your question.
In short: Jade is part of the two most popular relationships on the show. Jori and Bade. (Cat/Jade is also quite popular). People who ship a character and ship it hard (which in this case is the majority of the fandom, and that majority also ship their respective pairings very hard) will take terrible behaviour of the characters involved and turn them into a 'flawed hero' who 'puts up walls' because she's 'scared of rejection' instead of calling it like its, which is that Jade is just a mean bitch.
What happened to Rex?
It took me a while to realize this, but Rex hasn't shown up in ANY recent episodes. He just sorta, dissapeared. Not even Put on a Bus. Just, *poof*. What happened to him?
Three Girls And A Moose.
Was anyone else really annoyed by how Tori, Cat, and Jade acted in this episode? I can't explain it, but something didn't seem right.
No it wasn't just you. This may be a little off because I missed a whole chunk of the episode but it also seemed strange to me that even though Andre, Beck, and Robbie never said Tori, Jade, or Cat were forgiven the three girls still came to the fundraiser and took over. They mentioned before that the girls were only supposed to assist the boys with their acts. (Tori singing backup for Andre and Cat as Robbie's assistant). It seemed strange/rude that they barged in and took over without actually ever being forgiven especially since the three boys told them previously they wrote them out of the performance.
Beck taking Jade back.
In Tori Fixes Jade and Beck, Beck goes out with a girl that's the complete opposite of Jade, someone who has no personality of her own and agrees with everything her boyfriend says. He breaks up with this girl and goes back to Jade because he wants a girl that presents a challenge. The episode seems to imply that these two girls are the only choices he has. Now Beck's not exactly hurting for female companionship, it never occured to him that he might find someone who's personality is somewhere between these two extremes?
Maybe all the other girls in school are too afraid to ask him out because they're afraid of what they think Jade will do to them. Meredith was actually a lot braver than she's given credit for.
That is a good point. Beck does mention that all the guys in school are terrified of Jade, the girls would be, too. Although in a school that large, there would have to be at least one girl that wouldn't be afraid to beat the snot out of Jade.
I saw it more as Beck realising WHY he liked Jade so much by seeing her inverse.
Jade's pushiness in Opposite Date
So, let me see if i'm getting this: in the first half of the episode, Jade is anxious to confront Tori and Beck to know what they're up to. But then, when she finds the two, she tells them she doesn't care if they hang out or not. So if that's the case, why was it so imperative to Jade that she finds where Tori and Beck were?
I wondered about that myself. If there would have been some sort of explanation for her last minute change of heart towards Tori and Beck (she woke up to the realization that her obsession with the two is ridiculous; she saw that the two of them were just friends and there was nothing to be angry about; aliens stole her brain previously and chose that exact moment to give it back; etc.) it would have made more sense, but it seemed to be pretty random. However, it did give us a very funny episode of Jade imitating Cat and Cat being, well, Cat, so I'm really not complaining too much.
The episode where they get stuck in the RV. No one will drink the water in the fish tank because it hasn't been cleaned in a long time. Ok, but they all ignore it after that. Couldn't they just splash some on their faces and arms to cool off a bit?
How did Trina's parents let her go to Hollywood Arts?
Well all know how Trina got into HA, but how was she able to audition in the first place? Since its a focused school, I'm guessing it's not public, especially since you have to audition to go. Why would Trina's parents willingly and knowingly let her audition, when it was obvious just how terrible she was? And, when she got in, why would they bother paying tuition to the school when they know its a waste of money?
More than half of them seem to either involve her getting cheated on or cheating with someone elses boyfriend.