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Headscratchers: Teen Wolf
  • Artistic License - Biology: Chris Argent's "rabid dog" speech in S01E04. For starters: the bats in the United States and Canada ARE occasionally born with rabies, but they're all microchiroptera — which feed on insects and do not willingly approach other species. It is unlikely to the point of calling shenanigans to claim that a dog would have contracted rabies from a bat bite anywhere in the upper part of North America. The so-called "vammpire bat" (which generally preys on livestock) is in Central and South Ameriica. Chris is lying through his fucking teeth to make a stupid ass anti-lycanthropy point that I am almost fucking missed because HIS PARABLE'S BASIC PREMISE IS FAULTY, or the writers didn't do their research. Also! The rabid behavior he describes is ridiculous and equally shenanigans-worthy. (Do not get your bat facts wrong, shows. I used to be a rehabber.)
    • Hell hath no fury like an OP scorned.
  • If Derek is able to hear Lydia's wail all the way to the hospital, why didn't any of the werewolves hear her wailing before that?
    • Earlier on in the episode, Lydia told Scott she wont fight whatever she is anymore, since maybe the she could save someone if she was awake. Maybe that combined with the fact that that scream was a please someone save me scream made the scream special(?). But Derek hearing it is still something I cant understand.
    • This was the first time she had actually used her full banshee scream. Notice that proximity had an impact. Scott, Isaac, Aiden and Ethan were all clearly pained by it. Scott, who was in the best proximity, actually fell to his knees. Derek, at the hospital, was far away. He heard the scream, but not so loudly that it hurt him.
  • This is more of a meta thing, but can somebody please explain Sterek to me? They have the least chemistry out of basically every combination of characters. If it was Scott and Derek or Scott and Stiles that were the most popular ship I could understand it because there's subtext there but Stiles and Derek have NOTHING yet a good number of people keep thinking it should be canon?
    • That's really more a matter of perception than anything else. Other people see tension and subtext, you don't. Personally, all I see for Scott and Stiles is Heterosexual Life-Partners, but I couldn't tell you why.
    • Opposites attract?
    • It's mainly people who saw a mix of tension/chemistry (and Derek's No Sense of Personal Space in every scene between them (justified or not) and Matt said that they make a good couple. Then again, Matt isn't the epitome of sanity.... Plus, the actors love to tease the ship and Jeff pretty much ships it, too. Doesn't help that when asked, it was said (don't remeber of actors or Jeff) that Sterek had a 50% chance of happening. And that Jeff stated that werewolves $dig brown hair$. Aaaand back in Season 1, while Scott and Allison were on dates (which was a lot), Stiles and Derek were together. So, basically, they were written as a Beta Couple, but without the kissing. TL:DR? Derek's No Sense of Personal Space + one hell of a Chemistry + Ho Yay + Ship Tease + some Word of God = favorite ship of the series.
  • The whole age thing makes no sense. In "The Tell," Allison turns seventeen, and is reluctant to let anyone know because she's a year older than the rest of their class. This is where it gets confusing. This troper had spent the first couple of episodes assuming they were juniors, because every other character owns a car—not even just capable of driving, which would be forgivable, but their own car. How many barely sixteen year olds do you know own cars? Did the entire sophomore class turn sixteen during the summer? This is made even more confusing by "Chaos Rising," (or possibly the episode after) when Stiles specifically states that he hadn't yet turned seventeen. If he's still sixteen in what, September, October of junior year, that means that he was only fifteen for at least the first half of Season 1, yet driving around all the freaking time totally unsupervised. I can see why the Sheriff would want to get Stiles a car as soon as possible, but would he really do so before it's even legal? Jackson is also a victim of this, because he doesn't turn sixteen till June, as we see in Season 2, yet his parents buy him a nice, expensive Porche almost a full year before he can get a license (and thus risking him getting pulled over and his car in police custody and such. Daddy can't even sue, because it's a law for a reason), and Lydia as well, since we're at her sixteenth birthday in Season 1 and unless I'm misremembering, is seen to be driving a Beetle early in Season 1. Just, what? Bump them up year, producers, seriously.
    • Yeah, pretty much the only flaw Jeff Davis will admit to in his writings is being shit at Math.
      • Actually, California Law allows for teens to take their first permits at 15 and a half - this add up to the idea that S1 and S2 took place in the 2011/2012 school year, when Stiles would have reached such age (considering that by next September he's still not 17 and that an year or most of it have passed). Allison would be a year and a half older than the rest - Jackson being the one closer in age to her, probably having turned 17 in the course of S2/right after it. Stiles would have turned 16 during the s1/s2 period. Now, considering that between s1 and 2 only 2 days pass for the characters and that 3A and the first 4 eps of 3B happen in the course of 8-10 weeks, it's not that shocking that Stiles isn't yet 17. Sure, that's still having a rather complex math that is most likely accidental, but it isn't that much of a problem. The real issue is that it only really works if you consider the given date in Teen Wolf The Hunt for Stiles' birthday as correct (that'd be April 8th) in order to give him the six needed months to be able to get a license,but Allison's given date can't be correct under any circumstances as it is written down as March 19th - which in no world can come before a Winter Formal. But if it's September, October or November 19th it's just fine - and it may also explain why she's older than the rest, if her 'original' school had Hogwarts-styled pattern of enrollment (that is, one has to be a certain age up to the day the classes start) and it not being so in Beacon Hills.
    • You have to take into account the fact that Scott and Allison have sex in Season 1 and 2. Had Allison been eighteen, it could have counted as statutory rape (misdemeanor type). Unless Scott is the same age that Allison by the time he start to get lucky. Thus it was either underage driving or statutory rape (misdemeanor type).
    • I have hard time imagining people putting up a fuss over an almost seventeen-year-old and a just turned eighteen-year-old having sex. Especially if they're in the same class. Wouldn't that happen all the time in real life anyway?
      • Typically statutory rape charges are brought by the parents of the minor. So, it generally depends on whether or not they object to the union.
    • Plus, Season 1 seems to begin in January (they comment that it's "the first day back at school" but it doesn't seem to be the first day of the school year). Scott and Stiles could easily have turned sixteen before mid-year of sophomore year.
    • Their school year might have started in mid-August and they're just back from the long weekend of Labor's Day (since both Melissa's and the Sheriff's schedules don't follow holidays or weekends, they'd work anyway, and Full Moon did come up on the 2nd weekend of September that year. I doubt they checked THAT but *shrugs*)
    • How could Season 1 possibly begin in January? Aren't winter formals (see episode 11) usually held in December?
      • Well, this troper's school had them in February. School events, including time/place/type, vary from district to district.
  • Since the actress who plays Jennifer said that the virgins sacrifices gave her the power of sexuality, does that makes her relationship with Derek not consensual? We don't know how much he was affected by it after all.
    • Very implied. The whole just knew this woman, let's go to her to have sex the third time I meet her, magically and inexplicably have my alpha (Healing Factor negating) inflicted wounds heal while having said sex, especially after the last one burned my whole family alive, all the while forgetting about my pack that thinks I am dead, after all, they are staying in a perfectly safe motel kind of behavior is more or less a combo platter of Fridge Logic and Fridge Horror. More Trauma Conga Line for Derek. Even more after the hospital chapter, since it's his fault that Mama McCall was taken by Jennifer.
  • Why is it so widely accepted in the fandom that Scott's dad either abused him and his mom or walked out on them? Scott mentions at least once in Season 1 that he lived with his dad at some point, and he tells Allison that the worst dinner he could remember was when his parents told him they were getting a divorce. Abusive parents usually don't get custody and someone planning on simply up and walking out probably wouldn't bother to sit down with their kid beforehand. Yes, Melissa McCall seemed pretty adamant that they were better off without his father, but that doesn't automatically make him abusive or a total deadbeat. This troper personally believes it's more likely that maybe a year after the divorce, Scott's dad up and moved across the country (possibly with a new, younger wife), never contacting them again save for child support and maybe a couple of birthday cards.
    • For the drama. Fanfiction writers have this as a pseudo-Fanon to give Scott and Mama McCall more family drama. Maybe he cheated, but was never abusive; hence, Melissa dislikes him. Who knows.
    • It's heavily implied Scott's dad did something. He appears in "Alpha Pact," and it becomes quickly apparent that Stiles really does not like him. Mr. (Agent) McCall does come across as a bit of an insulting Jerkass, all but accusing Sheriff Stilinski of alcoholism and dereliction of duty to his teenage son, Stiles!
    • Scott has a watch that his father gave to his mother, which she says "Was the only thing in our marriage that worked." Based on that and what we have seen of his behavior, there was almost certainly emotional abuse, if not physical abuse. His default stance, even when dealing with kids, is hostility and insults.
    • Yeah, except I think you're all forgetting/ignoring the two things mentioned above; Scott's father had custody at some point, and Scott specifically says that the worst dinner of his life was when his parents told him that they were getting a divorce. Do you guys realize it's actually possible for Ms. McCall to not like her ex-husband, and for it in fact to have been a bad marriage without Mr. McCall actually doing anything abusive? And do you guys realize that yeah, Stiles can in fact be annoying and for Mr. McCall to not like him (see YMMV page for Alternative Character Interpretation, and also remember the fact that a lot of the 'hijinks' Scott and Stiles get into, especially in the first season, were Stiles' idea in the first place, including the 'outing' that led to Scott's becoming a werewolf in the first place) and the feeling to be mutual is also in fact, not all that surprising? And that hey, an FBI agent not liking the town being run by a sheriff that may or may not have a problem with alcoholism is actually pretty valid? I'm not defending Mr. McCall's actions or saying he's a great guy and father (because yeah, he is kind of a Jerkass), I'm saying that just because he's not doesn't mean he's abusive.
    • Going along with the above, Mr. McCall had been gone for a long time. Scott may also just be annoyed that he decided to shove himself back into Scott's already over-complicated life without so much as an apology for being a constant jerk. Stiles' dislike of Mr. McCall can then come from siding with his best friend as well as the aforementioned terrible timing. Mr. McCall may be a total jerk, but I doubt he was abusive.
      • ^THIS. And regarding the no apology thing, Mr. McCall actually did try to make amends at least twice; in Allison's apartment, when he shouted for Scott to wait, and at the end of the episode, when he visited (only to get the door closed in his face, but that's fair). The first time was tainted by Mr. McCall's aforementioned Jerkass tendencies, though. Also, it was not clear that he wanted Scott to "wait" as his son or as his witness. Technically, the kids were running from an FBI agent and two cops after hitting them with a smoke grenade.
    • Abused kids don't always consider the abuse to be their worst memories, especially if the abuser is someone close to them who has been loving before, so it's entirely possible that Scott's dad did abuse him, and Scott just doesn't consider it his worst memories. And also, unfortunately, abuse can be ignored in a child custody case, so even if Scott's dad did abuse him, that doesn't mean his dad wouldn't get custody.
    • Well, as we see in "Lunar Ellipse", Scott dislikes Mr. McCall at least as much as Stiles does, if not more so. To the extent that even after he no longer has a crisis on his plate to deal with, he literally closes a door in the man's face. He also accuses his father of cluelessness much like Stiles did. This implies that whatever it was that Mr. McCall did wrong in the past, he has never owned up to it, or perhaps even acknowledged that whatever he did was hurtful to Scott and Melissa. This parallels Mr. Lahey, who did not see his abusive behavior as anything other than being a firm disciplinarian with his son Isaac. Mr. McCall might have been emotionally, rather than physically, abusive and never saw his own actions that way.
    • Honestly, from the bits and pieces the show has given, it might be more of a case of Parental Neglect. Mr. McCall strikes me as the workaholic type (not uncommon for an FBI agent), and many a marriage has gone south from that kind of thing. He could've gotten custody of Scott because, while his hours are undoubtedly little better than Melissa's, it reflects worse on a mother having those hours than a father. Now, imagine a workaholic FBI agent taking care of a young, asthmatic child. It doesn't have the makings of a pretty picture.
      • The workaholic dad angle seems the most likely one at the moment. Mr. McCall is a jerk, but most of his actions make perfect sense, though. It's been clear that Stiles' dad was in the hot seat for a while, because of increased murders and the fact that Stiles and Scott are appearing at these crime scenes. His interaction wit Stiles was a bit jerky, Stiles was hardly innocent I the conversation and was snarky as well. Asking Stiles if his dad had been drinking more heavily was valid question since FBI specifically sent him there to evaluate if Stiles' dad and find out why there is such an increase in murders and no arrests. Plus there was the fact the police station got taken over by Matt (I'm not sure how the Sherriff explained that one without any knowledge of the kanima and Argents). Without knowing the supernatural stuff Stiles' dad looks horribly ineffective. It's a bit clear that the FBI is aware of Scott and Stiles always showing up on crime scenes, which no matter how you look at it is odd and would warrant some questioning, especially since they couldn't find Stiles' dad who appeared to have disappeared off the face of the Earth. We saw that Scott blaming his dad for trying to get Stiles' dad fired, but the show itself presented that is misplaced blame. It's entirely possible that Scott and Melissa's dislike of Mr. McCall is because they blame him for their family falling apart rather him being abusive. How entirely founded is it that Mr. McCall's fault is a question. I like Melissa, but she could be a biased opinion on their marriage. It could easily be both McCalls fault for why their marriage failed.
    • It's very unlikely that it was "simply not liking your ex" thing with the McCalls. Melissa's conversation with him as he was 'dying' after the Ongi attack referenced to some drunken occasion - to which she replies with something that makes it clear that he was something of an alcoholic - which also makes him an hypocrite for calling Stiles' on his father's drinking.
      • The latest episode suggests that Melissa is not entirely faultless in the divorce and might be the reason Scott hasn't seen his dad in so long. The incident itself is still unknown, but it involves Scott's parents and Stiles' dad. Both McCalls have been lying to Scott about why their marriage fell apart.
  • Derek says that the reason he and Laura weren't home when the Hale house was burned was because they were at school. But Cora, who was 11 at the time, was presumed killed in the fire. Why wasn't she at school? Especially since werewolves do not appear to get sick.
    • Maybe she was so excited about the party later that her parents figured since she wasn't going to get anything done in school anyway, what was the point of making her go? She was eleven, so that's what, fifth, sixth grade? Anything she missed could have easily been made up.
    • Word of God says that she was in South America at the time of the fire, which raises as many questions as it answers.
      • Like, why didn't Derek and Laura know she was still alive?
      • Especially since in Season 1, Derek says that there were ten deaths from the fire, when the police report says eight - meaning he believed Cora was in the house at the time, and nobody thought to tell him otherwise. How could she be in South America and he and Laura not know about it?
      • Actually, I think Word of God said that Cora ran away to South America after the fire. Not that she was there during it. Nothing said about how she actually survived the fire
      • That still raises questions like how exactly does an eleven-year-old run away to a foreign country in the first place.
      • If Derek believed 10 people died and the report says 8; that means that someone else got away besides Cora, and that's probably the key to how they managed to leave to South America. The person might not have been a proper Hale though, or not a werewolf, or no longer alive. Sure, that doesn't answer much, but it's probably something to consider. (that is, assuming he wasn't counting Peter's catatonic state as 'death', either).
  • Is anyone else kind of confused as to why Deucalion was considered the lesser of two evils? Yes, I know Jennifer killed twelve innocent people (and nearly killed another three), and I'm not saying she was a good person at all, I'm just saying that Deucalion seemed like a much bigger threat. If her claims are to be believed, she killed those people so she'd have enough power to face off against the Alpha Pack (it was hinted that she had another ulterior motive, but they never said what, so...), who were giving our protagonists a whole lot of trouble as well. I dunno, it just seemed kind of weird.
    • I'm kinda grasping at straws here, but it may be because Deucalion is easier to negotiate with. Even though he's evil, he's shown throughout the season that he will negotiate and be somewhat reasonable with people as compared to Jennifer, who was motivated by revenge and manipulated everyone around her into thinking she was good and protecting her. Also, Deucalion was a victim of Gerard. It may be seen in-universe and out of universe that anyone who has been a victim of Gerard's actions isn't as bad as they may seem.
    • Deucalion miscounted, or either did not consider some of the sacrifices to be "innocent". But Jennifer explicitly killed four groups of three (virgins, warriors, healers, and philosophers) for twelve total sacrifices. The parents (guardians) would have made it fifteen. That was not counting people she tried to kill that were not sacrifices, like Lydia and Danny, or the werewolves she was targeting. She definitely seemed to be on a mass killing spree and it was unclear she would really stop even if Deucalion were dead.
    • Deucalion seemed to be less prone to killing humans (with the exception of druids), instead focusing his murderous attentions mostly on other werewolves. Jennifer, on the other hand, was sacrificing innocent, ordinary, people for power. The Alpha Pack could have killed Melissa, the Sheriff or even Chris at any time, to say nothing of lots of other people. Instead they were very narrowly-focused on plans against Scott and Derek, with only implied threats to the muggle population of Beacon Hills. So there may have been a feeling that he was more of a niche threat (to werewolves) than to the general public.
    • Honestly, this one goes with that Blake threatened the kids' parents meant she became the greater evil to them. I would argue that Blake as the lesser of the two evils in that after she killed Deucalion she probably would have stopped. There is not much to suggests she was lying about letting the parents go if Derek helped her kill Deucalion. Deucalion wanted to corrupt Scott and literally almost made Scott kill Blake to prevent him from becoming a true Alpha, but then force Scott to join his pack. It was coincidence that Scott ascended and got the power to make Deucalion back off.
  • How were the Alpha Pack so utterly clueless? In "Currents" they actually had Jennifer and were holding her hostage in order to force Derek to fight Kali (which, quite frankly, he would have done to save virtually any hostage that he personally knew). Evidently they had no idea that she was the Darach although they knew by "The Overlooked". She also made no magical attempt to escape from them while she was their captive. Was her disguise just that good? Did Deucalion not figure out who the Darach really was until Scott and his group did? He only seems more like an incompetent villain when seen this way.
    • "The Overlooked" gets more confusing in that in multiple incidents throughout the season she appears to be able to move from place to place at great speed via magic. For example, in "The Girl Who Knew Too Much", she was able to sacrifice the teacher at the abandoned warehouse and still be back at the high school in time to oversee the concert and make the third sacrifice. She was also able to escape out a window while carrying Sheriff Stilinski (who was a good deal larger than her). But in "The Overlooked", she is supposedly trapped inside the hospital and is bargaining for protection and help getting out past the Alpha Pack. Based on their experiences with her to date, why was nobody suspicious of her claim that she even needed help getting out of the hospital? Even if she could not actually teleport (which was vague), she could have simply busted out of any window and zoomed away exactly as she had from the scenes of all the sacrifices. Her ability to do so was a large part of the reason why nobody had been able to catch her up until that point.
    • She faked being trapped in the hospital so she could have a chance of abducting Melissa (and making her pity party to Derek in the elevator), she knew Scott, Issac where protecting her while the healers sacrificies were being killed, Its actually not until the last minutes of the chapter that they figure Melissa counts as a guardian because she is a parent, just like the Sheriff. She waited until Scott et all were distracted with the Alpha Pact to make her move.
    • That she was faking being trapped is obvious. This is the whole point of my question. By that point in time, they all should have known that she could flit around at will. She had been doing it all season, including during that episode, and nobody calls her out on what kind of game she is playing! Although admittedly the episode was kind of badly staged. No hospital has that few windows or emergency exits. The truth is that none of them should have been trapped, since there should have been more than enough ways to get out past just four Alphas (three really, since Aiden and Ethan always stayed together) who should, in theory, have had to somehow prevent escape through windows, doors and stairwells that would have been present on every floor.
  • It seems like there is a dangling plot thread about Cora's life-threatening head wound. Aiden inflicted it by smacking her in the head with a barbell plate. Nasty, but not something that should be beyond the scope of her Healing Factor to repair. Since he used an object, and not his claws, it does not even really count as an Alpha inflicted wound. So the delayed healing of Alpha wounds should not have applied. The possibilities seem to be:
    • Jennifer made sure the wound did not heal using her magic. However, this seems strange, since Melissa was able to save Danny from one of Jennifer's magically-induced murder attempts using mundane medical techniques. Also, Jennifer wanted Derek, and wanted his help against the Alpha Pack. She had nothing to gain from him sacrificing his Alpha powers to heal Cora.
    • Peter was not being as caring as he appeared to be, and was doing something to interfere with her recovery. He knows more about werewolves than anybody else (including Deaton). He is also the one that suggested that Derek give up his power to save Cora, only to also complain that it was a bad idea because of the impending threat of Kali. Cunning manipulation?
    • Derek did not seem to seek Deaton's help, instead leaving Cora in the care of the Beacon Hills Memorial Hospital (granted, Melissa is awesome, but werewolves are nonetheless patients requiring a specialist). Rather than sitting by her bedside brooding, shouldn't he have been seeking druidic help?
    • Jennifer's magic seemed to kill people via 'natural causes', Danny wasn't in danger of mistletoe, he was in danger of suffocating, once Mrs. McCall saved him he was fine. When Cora was hit, she might have received brain trauma, and the spell worked by simply not letting her heal, therefore keep her comatose as her brain suffered from damage until she died. Derek's giving her the Alpha power is described as similar to taking away someone's pain normally, it likely functioned as a one-time super Healing Factor, and by healing her brain she was not in danger of dying anymore, just like Danny
      • Except that Danny, who never had any Healing Factor to begin with, survived Jennifer's attempt to kill him without the need for any magical cure. Just some good medical treatment from Melissa. Neither Ethan nor Scott had to contribute any kind of werewolf mojo. Why was Cora's condition so much more resistant to medical treatment? If Jennifer was pouring more power into the curse, why didn't she cut it out once it was clear that she needed to change tactics to win over Derek? Even after sacrificing the philosophers, was she so far gone sanity-wise that she thought Derek would still help her even if Cora died? Derek would have known full-well that an injury like the one Aiden inflicted on Cora should have healed on its own without any further intervention.
      • Because Danny couldn't breathe, there were perfectly mundane ways to allow him to breathe again beyond a magical cure, Cora, on the other hand, could not have her condition alleviated because A. Her Healing Factor was suppressed and B.There are no emergency procedures to alleviate brain trauma, especially when the Hospital is understaffed and in the middle of a storm. But she didn't need to change tactics, the only way she got Derek to not rip her throat out was to hold Cora hostage magically, it also kept Peter, Scott or any other person from killing her or they risk never removing the curse.
      • Yeah, but it contradicts her personal appeals to Derek and Jeff's assertion that she was truly in love with him. She had to be pretty far gone mentally to believe that she could get him to love her by keeping his sister on the brink of death (she must not have picked good enough "philosophers" for sacrifices). Peter was more likely to test if her magic had No Ontological Inertia by killing her. Scott was unlikely to kill her at all, or protect her for Cora's sake if weighed against the life of his mother or Sheriff Stilinski. That was why he went off with Deucalion.
  • Why Don't Ya Just Shoot Him??: It is repeatedly shown, in present time and in flashbacks, that Hunters often maliciously hunt and murder werewolves under the flimsiest pretexts. Despite their superhuman abilities, werewolves have to live in fear of the fact that hunters use guns, bows, poison gas and many other weapons against them. It raises an obvious question about werewolves and hunters. One that Chris actually points out with a comment to Derek about "bringing claws to a gunfight". Why don't werewolves use guns? Logically-speaking, they possess Super Reflexes and a limited degree of Super Speed. Added to that they also have Super Senses. They can catch crossbow bolts in mid-air! So one could assume that with comparatively little practice a werewolf could very quickly reach Hollywood Action Hero levels of badassery in the gunfight arena. Certainly they would be vastly superior to similarly-armed human hunters. If hunters represent such a serious threat to the lives of werewolves, mostly because they are so much better armed and can shoot them from distances safely outside of a werewolf's reach, one wonders why werewolves do not drop a few grand at a gun show, arm themselves up, and start shooting back when the hunters come after them.
    • Werewolves appear to have a consistent psychological block when it comes to even considering the use of weapons. For example, Boyd and Isaac came up with an elaborate and overly-convoluted plan to flood Derek's loft and electrify the water in order to incapacitate or kill the Alpha Pack. This plan depended on a complex set of factors, including Derek luring the Alpha Pack into the water, getting out of it himself, and the electricity working properly. If faced with a similar impending attack, Chris Argent would have probably just whipped out some guns and shot them all with wolfsbane bullets.
    • What makes the hunters dangerous is not just their ranged weapons, it's the fact they can track and trap werewolves easily. Similar to the above situation, a werewolf with a gun is just as good as a werewolf without one, one wire trap or sound-spike and they're basically at the Hunter's mercy, and with wolfsbane bullets it's even easier. Why werewolves don't use guns is probably similar to any 'magical' series, you don't use the weapons of the people who hunt and murder you, and their belief in tradition and their isolation makes them pretty difficult to change, like Wizards in Harry Potter.
      • Those are all just skills and technology, not special powers unique to normal humans. For example, there are real-world electrical, sonic, and chemical weapons that are quite effective at incapacitating or killing humans. Likewise, things like wire traps have been used successfully on humans throughout history. The logical gap here (and it is the same gap as in Harry Potter) is that not all werewolves are born into werewolf families. Many are humans who were bitten and changed. By rights, they should not all have a cultural block against the use of weapons and/or tactics besides just jumping in and waving their claws around. It has always been the same as with many vampire stories. Sure, driving a stake through a vampire's heart might kill them, and is thus considered a "weakness". But it would also definitely kill a human! As will a wolfsbane-filled bullet, as Aconitine is in fact extremely lethal to most animals, humans included. This troper has lost track of the number of times a human or werewolf sniper on a rooftop could have slaughtered Chris Argent and his hunters easily. Or heck, just shot them right through the windows of their own house! For all that Chris is a "highly-respected private security consultant", he obviously isn't that good. Agent McCall had no trouble getting into his apartment and accessing his weapon's cache. You would have thought that with the Alpha Pack living one floor above that a "highly-respected private security consultant"/werewolf hunter would have a harder to access home!
    • I think part of the problem here is actually pretty simple. You have super-human reflexes, speed, strength, senses, and even healing. Yeah, like some piss-ant little human with none of that is really that much of a threat to you. They're so caught up in the fact that they're one of the biggest badasses of the supernatural world, they forget that they're not actually invulnerable. Werewolves don't think about using weapons and surveillance and traps because, in the end, if you can rip your enemies apart, barehanded, and can smell them coming from 15 miles away, why would you need any of that? This is where humanity shines. They don't have natural defenses like fangs and claws and superpowers; humans have spent their entire existence knowing how vulnerable they are and learning how to kill shit a lot more badass than them. Essentially, humans are the Combat Pragmatist in a Worldof Badass. Werewolves are, well, not. It basically comes down to pride coming back to bite them in the ass.
      • Well, again, that is reasonable to believe in the case of people who were born into werewolf families. But it does not account for people who became werewolves later in life. For example, Scott was clever enough to use some of the Argent's flash-bang arrowheads to blind Deucalion. Granted, there is an odd apparent meta thing going on with the show, in that they studiously avoid showing any of the younger characters (notably Allison) using guns, even though other lethal weapons like knives and crossbows are apparently okay.
      • Not really an excuse that flies with just born werewolves. In fact, I think it especially applies to them. Think about all the turned werewolves we've seen so far, including Scott. After the transformation, they gained a hell of a lot of confidence. Not even Scott, the most humble of the lot, is exempt from it, as he so wonderfully demonstrated with Allison in Season 3. The big flaw here is that, yes, they were human. Thus, they know the difference in strength. You know from personal experience how pathetic a human can be, how weak and miserable it is; and now you have fangs and claws, you have strength and speed and senses beyond human capability. You're gonna tell me you go from a total loser with no control over your life to a superpowered creature of the night, and that's not gonna go to your head? (As a side note, the writers tend to pick and choose when Scott decides to use his brain, so I don't know what conclusion can really be drawn about Scott's resourcefulness at this current time.)
      • No, it would not go to the head of anyone who promptly found themselves being shot at almost immediately after becoming superhuman. Even Derek knew that Hunters were a potentially lethal threat to him and he most definitely did not have any kind of ego trip going on, which is why he was just quietly angry when Chris and his thugs broke the window on his Camaro. The show makes a point of repeatedly demonstrating that the Hunters are quite successful at killing werewolves, super powers or no. So it starts to become a little implausible when it is clear that werewolves worry about their survival in the face of Hunter aggression, yet are supposedly so cocky that they think they do not need anything more than their innate powers to survive.
  • What ever happened to that girl, I wonder? No, not The Girl, as in the one who saved Isaac from the twins, but the girl who is seen talking to Stiles and Scott in the pilot. She just comes right up to them and starts to chat as casually as anything in a way that would imply that they're friends or at least pretty familiar. And at Lydia's party later in the episode, she's there again, talking to Stiles. But after that episode, she is never seen again. Did she move away? Did the producers decide that Scott and Stiles having zero friends aside from each other was better for the plot, despite being rather unrealistic (after all, they're both pretty likable kids, I could buy them having no other close friends, but no other friends at all seems a bit of a stretch)? I mean, we never even got to learn her name, for Pete's sake.
  • Are Deaton and Morrell just really lazy druids or what? They live in Beacon Hills, yet allegedly have no idea where the Nemeton is located. Since such locations are apparently important and/or useful to druids, isn't it weird that they hadn't already made a point of locating the site? Also, wasn't the whole reason for the druids helping werewolves supposedly because the druids knew how to shapeshift? Did the "how" behind that get forgotten at some point? Most of Deaton and Morrell's "magic" consists of knowledge pertaining to the magical properties of lumber.
  • The entire concept of Alphas being able to increase their powers by killing their Betas is nonsensical. Alphas can create Betas more or less at will simply by biting people (assuming the victim survives the change). Logically-speaking, this would be an endless, self-perpetuating power source. They would need only go around biting people, wait for them to change and then kill them in order to infinitely increase their powers. This idea makes no sense when you really think about it, because a group like the Alpha Pack could simply spend their time biting and killing people to increase their power and not have to bother with anything else.
    • Could be a case of needing control. Peter proved that an Alpha can control the Betas he turns, but�as Scott demonstrated�that influence can be fought, which in turn made Peter have to attempt to buy Scott's loyalty through other means, ineffective as they were. A whole pack of Alphas, each turning Betas left and right? That's a hell of a lot of hotheaded, newbie werewolves. Why bother with that mess when they can have the concentrated power of a whole pack in each Alpha, plus the power gained from being in a pack themselves.
      • I was not talking about turning them to keep them, I was talking about turning them to kill them! If Alphas supposedly can gain power by killing their Betas, then logically it would make sense for them to regularly create new Betas and kill them as promptly as possible. The show never explains why this is not an infinite escalation.
      • Hunters, my friend. Hunters can and will kill Alphas (hell, any werewolves) that go against the Code. Now, if the Alpha pack goes around annihilating pack after pack, the hunters aren't likely to care that much, if at all. Start turning a whole bunch of humans? THAT catches the hunters' attention, since they consider turning a human as good as killing them. And yes, they are powerful Alphas. But hunters have spent literally hundreds of years perfecting how to kill any and every thing that goes bump in the night, and like it or not, an Alpha werewolf is still just a werewolf.
      • A theory that gets ruined completely by the fact that the Hunters have seemingly disappeared from the Beacon Hills area during Season 3. Presumably, they do not have an endlessly large membership. Jennifer got away with killing twelve people, no problem. No Hunters other than Chris and Allison, either. Considering the rather high murder rate that the U.S. has for a First World country, if the Alpha Pack spaced the murders properly, the Hunters would be hard-pressed to separate them out from mundane killings. The success rate would be even higher if they carefully selected their victims. Some people, such as the homeless, are not well tracked by authorities and as long as you bury the corpses, they can go missing in great numbers without raising much attention.
      • The Alphas might have made new Betas in the past for the purpose of killing them to power themselves up. At least I could see Deucalion doing it every once in a while, since he seems considerably more powerful than the other Alphas who also killed their packs to absorb their power. I wouldn't put past Deucalion to forbid his Alphas from making new werewolves to keep them underfoot. He was worried Scott becoming a True Alpha could be a threat to him, so its within the realm of possibilities that he kept his pack from making new wolves to kill for more power.
      • I don't think it's ever stated killing Betas is the way Alpha's get stronger, I think they only use the term Pack. A Pack is (at minimum if the 2nd season is anything to go by) 3 Betas who were turned or are loyal to the Alpha. It's logical to assume that it's the act of killing your entire Pack that produces the desired effect of becoming stronger afterwards. They told Derek he became stronger from killing Boyd, but it was never shown in any way so that's more suspect. Also the Alpha Pack is a Pack in and of itself, so it's possible (and shown, so likely) that only Deucalion would get the power-up from killing his Pack. They're essentially doing werewolf Black Magic, they probably don't even know the specifics of how they power-up.
      • Deucalion said he first experienced the power gain by killing one of the members of his pack and that new power is what allowed him to develop his second sight. He told Derek that was how realized Alphas got stronger by killing pack members. The flashback episode actually showed us the event, which proved Deucalion wasn't lying. Killing one member of the pack, a Beta will increase their power. How much strength they gain is unknown, but the more members of the pack you kill the more strength they gain.
  • Since werewolves who have taken an innocent life have blue eyes, why were Victoria Argent's eyes yellow when she briefly transformed before gutting herself? Highly unlikely that a nasty piece of work like her has not taken an innocent life before. Jackson's werewolf eyes were blue due to the innocents that he killed in his in-between state as the Kanima.
    • Jackson's murders of innocent people happened after he was bitten by Derek and thus, after his transformation from human to supernatural. Victoria may have killed innocent people in her human life, but none as a supernatural being, which is why her eyes are regular werewolf eyes.
    • It's entirely possible she followed the code her entire life up until the time she tried to kill Scott. Which would mean she never killed an innocent. Though I also believe that particular clause only kicks in after one is bitten. I'm more confused about how Jackson's actions, of which he had no control or even conscious memory of count as a mark against him. The kanima is essentially a tool. It has no will of its own. Why does Jackson pay the spiritual price and not the people who used him?
    • The people who used him were also not werewolves, so the blue eyed phenomenon is not applicable. It's likely the same reason people who commit crimes while pressured into them still feel bad, it might be the literal guilt and anguish they have manifesting as a change in spirit, hence the blue color.
  • How can Peter and Derek have Talia's talons? All information to this point indicated she died in the Hale house fire, and even if her corpse was recovered mostly intact, all werewolves we see die in the series revert to human form in their final moments. Were the Hale kids required to fetch the jar every time their mother broke a nail?
    • Talia was considered special even for an Alpha. They made a big deal on how transforming into a true wolf was. It might be possible that she didn't revert to human form when she died. There is still a lot of mystery with Talia that we don't know about. Peter didn't even know about the talons, so there is more secrets to Hale pack than we know.
      • Given the significance of the jar, how protected it was, and the fact that Derek planned on using it to communicate with his mother, it seems like she may have kept them for anyone who wanted to communicate with her past her natural death, of course it came a few decades quicker than expected. As stated, Talia was a very important leader to the Packs around Beacon Hills, it's possible she left her memories behind to help future werewolves, like the Holocrons in Star Wars.
  • Am I the only one curious about Allison's mom's background? She married into the Argent family, yet is just as indoctrinated with the whole Hunter thing as all the Argents who were raised with it, arguably even more so than Chris. Does she come from another family of Hunters? Or did she just discover the Argents' occupation after falling in love with Chris and was just really, really accepting of it? If so, was she subjected to the same training that Allison and presumably all the Argents were as soon as she and Chris were married? Given her apparent skill, the fact that she commands respect of all of the blood-Argents, and her unwavering passion for the code (being pretty accepting of her own suicide), I would guess that she has to have been a Hunter, and probably a pretty skilled one, in her own right before marrying into the Argent family. So then why does the show imply that the Argents are the only werewolf hunters out there?
    • The Argent's are only implied to be a long lasting and noticeable Hunter family, we've seen dozens of other nameless people who helped them in Season 1 and 2; it's likely you can simply join up in a Hunter group, and the Argents are simply a prestigious one. Victoria is shown to be have been unnaturally passionate in being a Hunter, it's likely she married Chris and then became completely immersed in the lifestyle, it's implied she's more than a little sadistic and self-righteous, so she'd fit right in. It also clarifies how Gerard pushed Victoria towards suicide so easily, if she's an fanatical outsider she needed to prove her commitment to the ideals she embraced, otherwise she'd be a hypocrite.
    • This is by no means canon, but at the convention I went to, JR Bourne said that he believed Victoria and Chris were both from strong hunter families, and the marriage wasn't so much a love match as it was a merger/sustaining the family line. In other words, it was consensual but inspired more by their mutual belief in the importance of hunting, than it was a romance. However, they did come to genuinely care about each other, in his opinion. This is supported by Victoria's relative dominance in the family given that the daughters are raised to be leaders.
  • Kira's mom says she can't restore the sword because she's not a thunder kitsune, but the very first hint we get of her being a kitsune at all is when she accidentally creates sparks of electricity when replacing Kira's lightbulb. I've been over this in my head several times and I can't make sense of it.
    • It's possible that all Kitsune can use fox fire in the same way Noshiko and Kira do, but aside from one shared ability, they have different skill-sets.
  • Okay this something that's always bothered me. In the pilot episode, 'Wolf Moon', we see a young black girl talking to Scott and Stiles at school and later at the party. We see her again in episode 3, 'Pack Mentality', when Scott was moved to her table after chatting up Stiles. A few seconds later, she jumps out of her seat causing the entire class to look out the window to see the ambulance. Finally, in the season 2 premiere, 'Omega', she is the hallway gossiping about Kate Argent, causing Allison to glare at her. This girl's name is Rebecca 'Harley' Harlowe played Jamila Thompson. What happened to her? The writers clearly had a plan for this character as some sort friend to Scott & Stiles but after the first couple of episodes she's dropped completely except for that season 2 cameo. Why? There was so much potential. This is probably the worst case of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character this show has. Seriously, what happened to her?!
  • In episode 2x4, Derek has Erica bring Stiles to him so he can question (more like interrogate) him about the murder he witnessed. Said event takes place in the school's pool area, where Derek is already waiting with a basketball in hand, and intimates a threat by puncturing the ball with his claws. So then my question is, where the hell did Derek get a freaking basketball from?! If you pay close attention, there is a basketball rack in the same room with them, but it raises an even more bigger question: WHO THE HELL KEEPS A BASKETBALL RACK IN A POOL AREA?!
  • So now we know why Lydia's a banshee, since they've revealed she inherited her powers from her grandma Lorraine. But that raises the question of why her abilities weren't awakened sooner. I mean, we know Peter's a liar, but he claims the bite activated her powers and that they wouldn't have come out on their own, and from what we've seen it seems like he was telling the truth. But the exposition on Lorraine makes it sound like she simply started hearing things one day and had no prior interaction with the supernatural. Similarly, they make it sound like Meredith's had her powers for a while and they don't say anything about her having been bitten either. Unless Lydia left out some information when she was giving her monologue, it doesn't really make sense that she needed to be bitten by a werewolf to awaken as a banshee when Lorraine and Meredith apparently didn't.
    • Maybe Peter's bite triggered the powers earlier than they were originally going to manifest - how could Peter have known she would never had manifested them naturally? Remember, as a banshee, Lydia is some kind of supernatural, even if the powers are latent and unknown; because she was a still a supernatural, the powers manifested themselves then and there rather than later (or possibly not at all; it could have been a latent trait, as Lydia's mother seemingly is not a banshee). In fact, I notice a trend in some supernatural characters, as Kira and Parrish only seemed to exhibit traits of their species when in mortal danger and prior to this, had no clue or may not have ever exhibited them at all.
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