Headscratchers: Super Dangan Ronpa 2

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  • So toward the end it is mentioned that people used various parts of Junko's body for various reasons, like one person transplanting Junko's eye into their head or Nagito attaching her hand to his own arm. But that shouldn't be possible at all. If her body was flattened during the Detention part of the execution, how was any part of her that salvageable?
    • It's possible they were too caught up in their obsession to CARE whether the parts were actually salvageable or not. Nagito mentions he can't actually MOVE his left hand...
    • I would think that the reason he couldn't move it was because the surgery to attach it wasn't done properly. Most likely, he actually cut off his own hand and just stitched hers onto the stump. Going by how crazy the Despair students are said to be, it wouldn't be surprising if they took her body parts and mutilated themselves to attach them without any medical help, because that just gives them more despair and shows how far off the rocker they are. And even if that's not the case, it still doesn't explain how there were parts of Junko still around when her body should have been pulverized to a pulp- literally. The Detention execution didn't dismember her, it squashed her! And going by how big the block was and how she was positioned, there should be nothing left of her that isn't flattened, let alone perfectly intact like her hand or eye. Of course, this is Dangan Ronpa so there probably is no reasonable explanation for how or why.
    • It's probably Mukuro's.
      • Even in that case, while her hand was salvageable, her eye probably was not. Of course, that might make it even MORE despair inducing.
      • Can't be Mukuro's. Nagito's "Junko Arm" has real long, red fingernails. Mukuro's were fake. And since Nagito says the arm is completely infunctional, wouldn't that also mean that the nails would no longer grow, even if it was attached to a living body? And even so, I doubt Nagito is the type to paint the nails red as a memento to Enoshima.
    • What are the chances that the corpse they used wasn't actually Junko's corpse? Is it possible that since they couldn't retrieve her body, they simply imposed her image onto an anonymous body, just so they can get some sort of satisfaction? There's nothing in-game to imply this, but it makes the most sense given the circumstances of both Junko and Mukuro's bodies.
    • Considering that Junko laughed off being pummeled with baseballs, forces strong enough to somehow turn a super tough guy into butter, being crushed under a firetruck, being repeatedly struck by a backhoe at jackhammer speeds, and being launched into and crashing from orbit right before that, it could be that her body was still relatively intact even despite all the blood that sprayed around after that last weight hit her.
  • Gundam's execution isn't an ironic death at all — it's exactly the kind of romantic death he claims he wants just before going to the execution. Why did Monokuma choose to do that instead of twisting the knife at the last moment like he usually does?
    • It's ironic because he's trampled by animals. On top of that, the magical circle he draws to protect himself does a grand total of jack shit — much like how all his posturing and grand declarations amounted to nothing. And the being lifted off to heaven by angel animals, assuming Monokuma's responsible for staging that part, mocks the Dark Overlord image he's built around himself.
      • Monokuma didn't seem to have control over the magic circle. That's ironic from a literary perspective, but not from an in-universe one. And while being carried off to Heaven may have subverted the dark overlord thing, the "lifted up to the skies to be immortalized in the stars" is the kind of thing he seemed to want in his pre-execution spiel. The whole thing is just very romantic and fantastical in tone, but seems absent of mockery like, say, Celes' was. Maybe the irony is supposed to be subtler than normal and I'm just not seeing it, I don't know.
      • No, he didn't. Gundam did. That's part of the irony — Gundam's using the powers he bragged so much about to try and protect himself... and they fail. Not because Monokuma interfered with them at all — they just flat didn't work.
      • This execution is clearly ironic in-universe since Monokuma is using animals to kill the ultimate animal breeder. Nothing subtle about the irony of turning one's talent against them by having them murdered by the most obvious aspect of said talent. If that isn't "ironic" enough then the execution is also about how Gundam's true talent (or true self if you prefer) renders all aspects of his "Evil overlord" routine pointless since being killed by animals (mostly accidents) is a very common cause of death for people who work with them a lot (i.e. an otherwise ordinary death for an individual who puts so much effort in being special), just like the point of Celes' execution.
    • The way it's seen, seeing that this was designed by Monokuma, the heavens part would probably also part of Monokuma's plan... probably as a homage of Dragon Ball Z: Gundam declared that he'll be waiting to see the students in Hell. Not only Monokuma dashed that desire, sending him to Heaven goes against his Dark Overlord persona, much like sending Darbura into Heaven instead Hell, so probably Monokuma was thinking to take away Gundam's overlord persona by 'converting' him into a peaceful dude by sending him to Heaven so he'd be more unrecognizable if the students went to afterlife.
  • In the second trial, why does Peko do that spiel about how the students should let her go free because she's Sparkling Justice and needs to do justice etc. if she wanted to get pinned as the culprit? If the students did as she asked, they most likely would have voted for Fuyuhiko instead (since he was the most suspicious next to her), which would have utterly ruined her plan.
    • That's all about staying in-character and convincing them she's really Sparkling Justice. She doesn't really expect them to listen to her; she's just playing her role to the hilt. Making it look good.
  • In chapter 2, why did Peko choose such an absurd story for her alibi? People in the Let's Play thread were speculating that it couldn't possibly be her, because who in the world would make their alibi for murder "I went looking for the other islands and they just weren't there"? It's too unbelievable — it would place her under suspicion immediately. Why didn't she just say she went for a swim instead of also making up a story about nonexistent islands?
    • Because she wants to be caught. Getting the others to suspect and finger her for the murder is all part of her larger gambit to save Fuyuhiko. But offering no alibi whatsoever would look too suspicious, so instead she gives one that the others might accept on its face... until Fridge Logic kicks in and they look at it a little harder.
  • In the final trial, when Makoto, Kyouko and Byakuya enter the virtual reality, shouldn't their memories of being in the virtual reality have been erased when the forced shutdown commenced? They say so themselves that in the event of a forced shutdown, any memories they obtain within the virtual reality will be erased when they are brought back to the real world.
    • Perhaps this is proof that this wasn't true after all - for them or for the others.
    • Might be due to admin privileges. They didn't lose any of their memories going in; perhaps the "all memories acquired in the virtual reality" only applies to ones that are going to overwrite memories obtained in the real world (i.e. maybe the island memories for SHSL Despair are stored as data before being imprinted into the mind, but Makoto and co.'s memories aren't being affected by the program at all; the only thing the program does is create the world for them to experience). Also, we know that everything that was going on was being broadcasted to the outside world by Monokuma, so the Future Foundation agents on the outside probably recorded it and showed it to Makoto and co. after they got out.
  • A crapload of things in chapter 3.
    • Mikan had to have taken the camera from the hospital to the club. If that's the case, then how did Fuyuhiko not notice that she had it on her?
      • She probably broke it at the hospital and then hid it in her apron pocket or under her clothes, then ran behind Fuyuhiko.
      • On a related note, why is Mikan able to break the cameras and leave them on the ground without suffering repercussions for littering?
      • The broken camera is most likely considered evidence by that point.
      • By the time Mikan met up with Fuyuhiko the camera was already at the cub smashed to bits. The order of events are, 1. Making the video, 2. Taking the camera to the club, 3. Smashing it, 4. Meeting with Fuyuhiko.
      • Hard to see how Mikan had time to A. Clean up everything after the faked feed, B. Run to the club, C. Break the camera and do everything else she needed to do there, D. Run back to the club, E. Explain the situation to Fuyuhiko, and F. Fake-explore her half of the island looking for Ibuki so as to end up meeting with Hajime at the same time and place as Fuyuhiko, all in the time between faking the feed and meeting with Hajime. Also, even if this was the case, the game did a poor job of explaining it, as it very much makes it seem as though Mikan went off to the club after talking with Fuyuhiko.
    • If you look closely at the scene when Hajime first discovers Ibuki's dead body, you'll notice that the wiped bloodstain isn't there. But we later learn that it should be; it had been there since Hiyoko had died, which was long before Hajime first found Ibuki.
      • Even during the investigation you can’t see the bloodstain from that angle. You have to move Hajime to the stage, and even then Hajime can’t notice it on his own, you can’t select it until Chiaki points it out to you.
      • It is hard to see, but comparing the two wide shots of the club on Hajime's two visits does allow you to see a slight difference in the coloration of one part of the stage near where Hiyoko is. There's no reason for this discrepancy; even if you shouldn't be able to see the stain from that angle, then that should be true for both visits, not just the first.
    • Were they going to explain the reason why Ibuki's slippers had blood on them, yet didn't leave bloody footprints? Because they bring up the point that it's strange that she didn't leave any footprints despite there being blood on her slippers, yet they never give an explanation how that could be!
      • This is practically WMG, but it answers your questions, so I put it here. That whole part with the blood stained shoes make more sense if you think about the murders in a different light. This theory will answer your fourth, seventh and eighth questions too. The scene of the crime makes more sense if Hiyoko arrives before Mikan and Ibuki do. Hiyoko goes to the storage room and fixes her kimono. This takes a while; it would have been hard, and probably dark. Meanwhile, Ibuki is obediently sitting down while Mikan strangles her. The plan is to strangle her and leave her there, with as little evidence and risk as possible, no fake hanging. Then Hiyoko exits. She sees Mikan and Ibuki on the stage, and goes up to yell at them to go back to the hospital. Her kimono was done herself, so it was tied in the front. Mikan sees her, panics, and cuts her throat with little hesitation. That’s why the bloodstain is on the stage, close to the storage room. When her throat is slit, blood splashes. It splatters on Ibuki’s slippers, since she was lying down, dead. (If she was stepping in it, not only would there be footprints, but also more blood on the slippers.) Now Mikan has two bodies. So she gets the idea to cover them up as copycat murders, and turn up the heat to obscure the time of death. That’s what makes the most sense. It could be that this is what happens, but the trial doesn't uncover the whole truth. There's a lot left unsaid.
      • I find it unlikely that this is what was intended, as the way the murder is portrayed is very different from your explanation. More concretely, I find it very unlikely that Hiyoko's blood would have splattered only onto Ibuki's slipper soles; at the very least, it should've also gone onto part of her legs. Additionally, there was a lot of preparation needed in order for her to pull off the copycat murders, particularly Ibuki's, mostly in order to fake the feed. I find it a little hard to believe that she not only came up with it on the spur of the moment but also had the time to procure all the necessary items, even if she had several hours to do so between killing both of them and waking up Hajime. Oh, and if she never intended to make Ibuki's death look like a hanging, then she wouldn't have had a ladder out when she killed them. In that case, how did Hiyoko's blood end up on the ladder?
    • If Hiyoko went to the club because she couldn't put on her clothes properly, then why was she fully dressed when on the pillar? Yeah, her clothes were in disarray, but they were on! Her obi was clearly tied, just not in the right place. Did Mikan take care to, not only clothe her, but do it improperly?
      • Hiyoko's clothes were on before she was killed, she just couldn't tie her obi properly. It's possible that her obi simply dangling around, and thus Hiyoko's clothes falling off, made it difficult to tape her to the pillar. So Mikan had to do a quick fix with the obi. Not to mention, Obi's are actually really difficult to put on since there are specific ways that you need to tie it. And unless you are familiarized with how traditional kimonos work, there's no way you can put it on without the entire attire falling apart. So it makes sense that when Mikan was setting Hiyoko's body up on the pillar that she would tie the obi wrong- how would someone like her know how to do it right?
      • Note that Hiyoko's obi is knotted in front. It looked like she was in the middle of tying the obi in front of her and planning to twist the knot around to her back afterwards and Mikan walked in on her.
    • How was Sonia able to get into Hiyoko's room before Hajime, when Hajime had the only key? The door was locked; did Hiyoko forget to lock her door, but was careful to hide the key deep in her clothes, and then Sonia go into her room later and lock the door while she was inside?
      • The only time Sonia was in Hiyoko’s room, Hiyoko was also there, and she had the key.
      • When Hajime first entered Hiyoko's room (during the investigation), Sonia was already inside. She even said, "Oh, it's you, Hajime." I don't see how that's possible.
    • How did Mikan cut off the video feed? She was on the ladder, reaching for the noose when Hajime suddenly couldn't see anything anymore. It's heavily implied that the candle did go out, and that the camera was destroyed once she got to the club, but either way, how was she able to ensure that Hajime's screen would go dark the instant she wanted it to?
      • There are plenty of ways to do that. The easiest way is that instead of using a candle for candle light, she used an oil lighter with a small string attached, so that when Mikan pulled on the string, the oil lighter tipped over, going out. Those things were likely available at the supermarket. They probably just didn't think it important enough to talk about.
    • Why would Mikan strangle Ibuki instead of just hanging her? It's implied (or, at least, the only explanation is) that, after strangling her, Mikan put the noose around Ibuki's neck, lowered the lighting rig, attached the other end of the rope to the rig, and then raised the rig back up again. But she could have easily just skipped the strangling part and hung her; then, the most decisive piece of evidence against her, the rope, wouldn't have proven anything, and she wouldn't have had to lie about Ibuki's cause of death!
      • The technical reason is that hanging a person takes longer than just out right strangling them. It can take about 10-20 minutes for a hanging victim to be completely dead, while strangling can kill someone in less than 5 minutes. There is also an emotional reason, the same reason why Junko puts so much effort into driving the students into killing each other instead of going for more direct methods. For the feeling of despair and the satisfaction it brings. Mikan's memories of being part of Ultimate Despair returned to her, and with them her desire for despair and twister love for Junko. So while she could have gone for a method that would hide the least evidence, she instead went with the one that would make her and Junko the happiest.
    • Mikan's original plan was to emulate the movie by having her victim be hanged. But, why? There's no reason why she would do a copycat murder if her original plan only called for one victim. Fortunately for her, a second one came along, and she was able to confuse the order of events, but why emulate the movie if it's just going to end up clearing the most immediately suspicious person (Hajime) as a suspect? Yeah, she might have assumed that everyone had seen the film, but all the same, there was no purpose to doing a copycat murder if it wouldn't have caused confusion in the case of there only being one victim, as she had planned!
      • Mikan doesn't explicitly say that she intended for the murder to be a copycat crime (most likely just doing it so they couldn't tell whether Ibuki had been murdered or committed suicide), and Chiaki concludes at one point that the culprit just happened to skillfully make the unplanned second killing part of the plan.
    • Why was Nekomaru excused from participating in the Class Trial? That was a blatant violation of the rules, regardless of his condition. The rules, which Monokuma holds as sacred, stated that attendance was mandatory, and it doesn't mention that those who aren't physically up to it are excused (unless you're dead, of course). Heck, they were able to meet the fully-functional Mechamaru immediately after the trial was over, so it's hard to see how he could have been fine after the trial, but not before. And even if he only did become functional during the trial, why didn't Monokuma just wait an extra hour before starting the trial? Now, obviously, it wouldn't have been near as dramatic to have had Nekomaru show up right before the trial, since we would have had to just ignore the fact that he's a robot while figuring out the murder, but all the same, it doesn't make any sense why Monokuma would excuse him from participating.
      • This is possibly because having someone in the trial who couldn't be accounted for at any point during the murder would have overly complicated things, and since he didn't see or do anything during this time, he can't contribute anything (although Akane does point out that she's more or less useless, since not only is she not very bright, but the Despair Fever incapacitated her).
      • Going by a weird outburst from Monokuma during the trial, it looked like Nekomaru was either monitoring the trial from a video feed or piggy-backing inside Monokuma at the time.
    • Nagito, unlike normal, was 100% against the culprit this time. The reason he gives is that these murders were done purely to create despair and not in the hope of getting out. But how did he know that? He wouldn't have any way of knowing what was going on through the culprit's head; there's no reason to assume that the culprit would have done anything different had they been acting out of hope rather than despair.
      • Nagito actually says that he suspected the culprit had gotten the Despair Fever.
        Nagito: I kept an eye on Mikan the whole time. Since she started nursing us. My consciousness did go back and forth, but the few times when I did see her expression... Despair that had lost its last pinch of hope... it was that kind of expression.
        Hajime: W, wait up...Mikan caught the despair disease?
    • If Hajime ran as fast as he could from the hospital to the club, then almost immediately left the club and ran to the motel, how did Mikan have time to do everything she did? Not only that, but the Climax Logic segment implies that she was hiding out behind the club when Hajime left for the motel. Even if she left immediately after Hajime, she still would have needed to get behind the building without him noticing, and he was only inside for... 15 seconds before heading for the motel? And, once again, that assumes that she sprinted to the club immediately after Hajime did; before she could've left, she needed to hide everything she used to fake the feed (ladder, rope, candle, hospital gown), meet up with and explain the situation to Fuyuhiko, then get to the club. The only conclusion I can come up with is that the Climax Logic segment was wrong and Mikan was still running to the club when Hajime left, but even then, it's hard to see how she had time. And that's not even going into how long it would have taken Fuyuhiko to get to the hospital from the first island, considering that he left after the morning announcement, when Hajime was already sprinting to the club, and he was walking. The timing of this incident makes no sense whatsoever!
      • Actually, the timing makes perfect sense. It may seem fast because it’s a game and the sense of scale is messed up, but Hajime says that he’s gone for ten minutes. This is probably broken down as 2 minutes to get to the hotel, 3 minutes to talk to everyone, 2 minutes to get back to the Music Venue and 3 minutes to meet up with Mikan and Fuyuhiko to start breaking down the door. Mikan probably got to the club around the 2 minute mark, since she could have been wearing the gown over her regular clothing, and the other stuff isn’t hard to get rid of quickly. Then two minutes to take off the wallpaper quickly, place a broken drumstick and glue the door. Then she just starts to act innocent and panicky until Fuyuhiko shows up. Then Hajime and Chiaki show up.
      • It still doesn't make sense to me because Fuyuhiko explicitly says he was searching several areas around the Third Island with Mikan before they ran into Hajime and Chiaki. They mentioned that they had time to at least search around Electric Ave. before all four of them rendezvoused. There's no way Mikan had time to sneakily tail Hajime out of the hospital, alter the music venue as Hajime was running to the motel and conversing with Gundam and Chiaki, then meet up with Fuyuhiko AND spend time searching the area for Ibuki. I just don't understand how it was possible for her to pull it all off.
  • In chapter 6, A Makoto made by Junko, to trick the students into picking "Graduation, appeared. The way to expose the Makoto as a fake, is to ask him what the meaning of the password, 11037, means, which Fake!Makoto didn't know the answer to. However, he should know as he is controlled by Junko, who has seen Sayaka's trial and should know why Makoto chose the password, not to mention the fact that they spent time together pre-Despair Incident, so basically Junko knew Makoto for 2+ years, and still doesn't know why Makoto picked 11037 as his password.
    • Possibly due to Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, as Junko perhaps knows about the number, but didn't know that Makoto accepted Kyoko's theory that Sayaka wrote it to save him; from what he says, he doesn't seem fully convinced. Alternatively, somehow, the AI Junko doesn't have that memory. It should also be pointed out that the five remaining students are already suspicious of Fake!Makoto, since he had just told them they couldn't defy the Future Foundation in spite of the fact that the real Makoto disobeyed orders and got an angry e-mail from his superiors.
    • Didn't the Junko AI imply say that she was made as a backup just in case the real Junko's plan went wrong? That implies that she was made before the events of the first Dangan Ronpa, and thus would only have known about the events secondhand.
  • During Chapter 4,when everybody was starving, did nobody bring up that Mechamaru had drink dispensers in the place of his tear ducts?
    • Because A) There had to be a limited amount of both the soda and tea, B) This limited amount would then need to be split amongst the 7 of them which may have lead to infighting, C) They needed to split up and this may have also lead to arguing about which side he should go with and put Nekomaru in a very awkward situation and most importantly D) It would not have helped their situation regardless, since this is about starvation, not dehydration. Soda and tea do not have the nutrients or amounts needed to have done these kids any good in the long run, just like the small amount of sunflower seeds (which is why no one complained about Gundam using them to feed his hamsters) or the Dark Lords of Destruction themselves (which is why no one other than Kazuichi brought it up).
  • If Gundam wanted to kill someone to give everyone a fighting chance and eat again, why did he pick Nekomaru and not the far more dangerous and willing Nagito?
    • Because unlike Nagito, Nekomaru had a fighting spirit and a strong will to never give up and never surrender. If Gundam was going to go down as either a murderer or a victim, why would he settle for someone who is not only ill-minded but most likely wouldn't even take what he's doing seriously (Nagito), when he instead could battle someone who would not only put as much effort into the challenge as he would, but also understand his motivations (Nekomaru.)
    • There's also the fact that he points out that he could reset the alarm clocks, and thus lure out Nekomaru by himself, because of the always correct clock inside Nekomaru.
  • Something that the series has constantly stated is that peoples feelings for a person survive even the loss of their memories, something that Dangan Ronpa Zero was practically about. Despite this, absolutely no one bar Nagito reacts if you give them a portrait of Junko. Not even Mikan, who is all but stated to of been in love with her reacts. What.
    • This can be explained due to the characters not having lost their memories, but are simply avatars created from specific memories from the Ultimate Despair members. The point of the New World Program was to take the memories of what they had before they entered Hope's Peak and add new memories to replace the old ones that they had. Due to their memories of Ultimate Despair having never been given to their avatars, they would have no feelings for when they see Junko Enoshima.
    • That isn't actually how the New World Program works. The students aren't avatars, their the actual students, whose brains are connected to program. After all, everything points to the lost memories being an updated version of Matsuda's research that was used on the students from the first game. If they were avatars, then that would create a lot of holes, such as why Nagito still acts like he is suffering dementia and how Mikan and nearly Akane can recover their memories like how Hifumi did in the first game when he was dying.
    • Nagito still showed signs of his dementia because he was diagnosed before he attended Hope's Peak Academy, since he said it and his being accepted balanced each other out. Even if Nagito is a simulation only using data from the first day his state of mind can be explained by that or because his subconscious awareness of his condition is making it appear in avatar!Nagito. Mikan's memories only resurfaced due to the program itself, since obviously despair fever is a construct of AI Junko's, at which point it could simply be the Junko unloading data from Mikan's complete memories to corrupt Avatar!Mikan. After that point any recovered memories could still be the result of the memories being forcefully uploaded into the avatars instead of recalling them naturally like Hifumi did. Also not only was it explicitly stated that everyone was based on when they first arrived with goes with the first suggested theory more than the second (and Hiyoko's appearance in game vs. her real body proves this to be true) but there is very little chance of anyone improving or updating Matsuda's technique as he has been dead for at least 4 years, had no back-ups or understudies, and the work itself was likely lost in the destruction of the world.
    • From the top...
      • 1. Brain conditions do not work that way. Dementia couldn't be replicated, after all, it is the physical rotting of the brain. There is no way it could be replicated, not to the smallest details. Subconscious uploading doesn't work if the damage is physical.
      • 2. Monokuma did not do that. Actually it's actually impossible for him to do that. It is an important plot point that AI!Junko/Monokuma has the same restrictions that Usami had when she was in control, hence why she has to let Hajime and Chiaki into Nagito's cottage in Chapter 5, despite clearly not wanting to. Her being able to do something like that would suggest a much greater level of control, and the only thing despair fever is indicated to do is make the victims act nothing like how their supposed to.
      • 3. Going off the previous point, the idea that the other memories were forcefully uploaded is full of crap. Reread the scene in Chapter 5 where Akane tries to kill Nagito. The explicit implication was that Akane's rage nearly caused her to revert until Chiaki, who has even less control over the program than Junko, calmed her down. This is a lot like how Ryouko nearly regained her memories multiple times when she was put under pressure.
      • 4. Actually, there is a way they could have Matsuda's research. The infodump on the New World Program mentions the Ultimate Neurologist as one of the people who contributed to the project. Just because he was dead doesn't mean that they wouldn't have it on file.
    • Sorry but I still object:
      • 1. Okay you make a sound point with Nagito unless they only had enough of his info to fill in some of the blanks, and the fact that yes Nagito's brain is very damaged while making said Avatar is why it is still present but if they are only the actual students without any avatar or programming related help then have could Gundam have his hamsters with him? If he was an avatar having the hamsters be semi-dependent AI based around him and his avatar's actions would work but if it wasn't there is no way for these dead pets to be here and their presence would not have been a priority for all the excess work involved. The fact they vanish after his death means they can't just be like Chiaki or Usami, and being like them would make no sense.
      • 2. No this theory is not "Full of crap". Adding dangerous elements to the program is exactly what AI Junko/Monokuma can do and does do on a very regular basis, since Usami's rules are very flexible as the re-establishment of the mutual killing proves. Those weapons could not be there in this safe, ideal, school field trip simulation otherwise. If adding dangerous elements were not possible then there could be no executions, no easy access to weapons of any kind, and no way of inputting the information about their past selves. Comatose kids who are living in a simulation can't get physical illnesses from their pods (Especially not ones that can spread from kid to kid) so it must be Monokuma's handiwork on their in-game selves, making this an entirely data-based issue. If he can mess with their data to get them "sick" and has all this information at his disposal then why can't he do this? Getting them "Sick" by corrupting their data is not causing them damage directly as per the rule: "The supervising teacher will not interfere directly with student activities, unless any rules are broken." Just like how making the "student activities" the "game of mutual killing" and "Being trapped in the fun-house until a student kills another" were also valid actions Monokuma could take.
      • 3. I did re-read that section and I can safely say that you are using the word "explicit" wrong and explicit implication is an obvious oxymoron since implication means the information is implied, or hinted at, and explicit means it is clearly stated. No, it didn't seem like despair Akane was coming back, that was normal Akane going berserk which is very much in line with how she has always been when the lives of her friends or herself is in danger ("I will avenge Fuyuhiko" Even though he was not dead and nearly got them killed before comes to mind, and why she nearly got Nekomaru killed by attacking Monokuma). There was no Despair in Akane's actions only her Rage. The only one there that showed any signs of a despair obsession was Nagito, and while Akane's attack and Ryouko's had parallels they were not the same because Chiaki could snap her out of it.
      • 4. Then why would the kids from the previous game want to use something they have seen fail in such a high risk situation? Alter Ego is on their side, so him making avatar's would be easier, safer, and have a higher chance of succeeding (And allow Chiaki to blend in better since she is also an avatar) while Matsuda's would not only risk backfiring, if another Hifumi situation came up, but instead of overwriting the memories like they want the Ultimate Despair kids could have the bad memories returned to them at a later point like what happened with the survivors. Matsuda's help being mentioned does not mean it was based on that pet-project of his (which is what the makers knew most fans would assume after DR0), but in the ''many'' other brain-based aspects in this program.
      • tl;dr: Risk vs. Reward says Avatar's are the best plan overall and more likely than simple brain uploading with partial memory erasure. Also the point made about appearances was never addressed in your counter-points, which is very important in why they have to be avatars since if it was just their brains with minimal editing the would not view themselves like this enough to appear this way.
    • Actually here is the relevant quotes from the last trial with the information in question bolded:
    MONOKUMA: This world was created by a Future Foundation program called the “New World Program” …
    MONOKUMA: It acts directly on the user’s brain to create a virtual world.
    MONOKUMA: So your bodies currently exist in the “real world” as well.
    MONOKUMA: Of course … just like you’re in a dream, your mind is completely occupied with this game world.
    MONOKUMA: To put it simply, you’re … uh, what I’m saying is … no, not aviators …
    KAZUICHI: You mean “avatar”? The thing that represents you inside a game …
    HAJIME: But … we’re not just avatars, are we?
    MONOKUMA: Avatars who have been rebuilt after removing “something” from the real bodies … that’s what you lot are.
    FUYUHIKO: After r-removing … what?
    Removing “something” … of course … it must mean this.
    - our times with our families
    - our Super High School Level talents
    - our memories of our school lives
    - our memories of our lives before school
    HAJIME: That’s it!
    HAJIME: What got removed … was “our memories of our school lives,” right?
    KAZUICHI: S-so … We’re avatars made using just our memories from before we started school?
    SONIA: And that is why we have no memories of our experiences at Hope’s Peak Academy…?
    • So yes making digital avatars for all the students with absolutely no memories of their time at Hope's Peak, and thus none of their memories of being or becoming Ultimate Despair, is exactly and explicitly how this program worked. This process means none of the "Phantom memories" that people with Matsuda's technique often experienced are possible since the memories in question are not suppressed as they are non-existent in this state.
  • During Chapter Three, the reason for Mikan's murders is that she regained her memories due to the Despair Fever. However, if Monokuma had that power, why not simply do it to everyone so they could exit the program loyal to Junko?
    • The most simple explanation would most likely be that Monokuma wasn't aware that the Despair Fever would bring up that side effect. That, and Junko is so enamored with despair and causing it that even if there was a simpler solution to her scheme, she would rather choose the plan that would give her the most satisfaction.
    • On top of that, there's the likelihood that Monokuma has no control over what symptoms you get; he can infect them as many times as he wants, but would just be hoping that they'd get the same symptoms. The Despair Fever might also only give a particular person a single symptom (i.e. Akane would be a crybaby on repeated infections without fail), meaning that he wouldn't be able to do it no matter how many times he tried.
  • In chapter 4, why was Nekomaru's corpse in such a nasty state when an earlier scene shows that he can withstand a bazooka blast without a single scratch? I can understand how his head and limbs got detached since it's possible that these parts aren't as strong as the rest of his body, but why was his near-indestructible torso battered so badly from a simple fall?
    • It seems as though Monokuma's bazooka is weaker than a regular one; Nekomaru may be a mass of muscle, but that wouldn't prevent him from being torn limb from limb by a military-grade explosive launcher, so the mere fact that he survived the blast would imply that. Also, Monkomua's bazooka appears to be more energy based, which could possibly cause far more damage to flesh than to metal.
    • Think of it this way from what we've seen of Nekomaru's human body after it was shot by Monokuma, it looked like it severely burned him rather than, you know, actually tore him apart like an actual bazooka would. As the troper above pointed out, something like that wouldn't even scratch a strong enough metal surface. And the fall killed Nekomaru instead because he was both suspended from a great height and upside down. Unless he was made of the strongest metal possible, a fall like that can provide enough force to do damage to his robot body. And the fact that he was upside down meant that his head would make contact with the pillar first, and his head is the most vital part.
      • In short, the only things we have to gauge Mechamaru's durability are the bazooka and the fall. The bazooka, due to it being energy-based, is of indeterminate strength (might be calibrated to damage flesh but do piss-all to metal). Mechamaru may have been far more fragile than we were led to believe.
  • So Byakuya isn't actually Byakuya but instead the Ultimate Impostor. If he's the Ultimate Impostor, why is his Byakuya disguise so weak? His personality is an almost complete 180 from 1. And no, he didn't meet Byakuya during the killing game in 1 but how likely is it that losing his memories made Byakuya turn into such an uptight condescending snob?
    • It's possible that the Ultimate Impostor wanted people to recognize him and see him as the good person he actually is, which is why he took advantage of the respect and power that came with becoming Byakuya. When you have the potential to become a leader and to be acknowledged as a great person, why waste it on being the Ultimate Jerk to everyone?
    • He seems to have some idea of how the real Byakuya acts, as he does occasionally throw around slightly condescending remarks about "commoners," although he doesn't imitate the real Byakuya's callousness and separation from the group.
    • This goes into WMG territory, but it could be that this was the Impostor insulting or "getting back" at Byakuya. Some fans like to think that the Impostor was one of Byakuya's fourteen estranged half-siblings who failed to earn the title of heir to the Togami empire, and were then exiled. Would make sense that such a person might turn to impersonating other people, and what better way to insult the person who brought you this low than to believably imitate them, but make slight alterations to appearance and personality to appear contrary and even silly at times? I doubt Byakuya was very amused by the Impostor while the Future Foundation was watching the events being broadcasted to them. Probably became the butt of a few jokes courtesy of Kyoko.
  • In chapter 3, Chiaki digs around in the junk at the electronics store, saying she's pretty much desperate for something to hook up to her T.V. and play a game on. Why does she say this? If you go into her cottage at any time, even from the very first time you can do a free time event with her, she has many game consoles just lying there, in plain sight, hooked up to her T.V.
    • Probably the same reason you can give away an entire supermarket's worth of food gifts while doing Free Time events during chapter 4 and still have everyone be hungry, Gameplay and Story Segregation.
    • In Chapter 5 she complains that the box of Monokuma CD's you find weren't game discs. It's possible she just likes the aesthetic of her room being littered with consoles yet doesn't have anything to actually play on them.
  • Why exactly did Nagito join Ultimate Despair in the first place, if, even in Chapter 0, before he lost his memories, he calls Junko his enemy and attached her arm to himself out of hatred for her? And why did people like Nekomaru, Ibuki and Sonia, relatively kindhearted people with no apparent reason to lose hope, join Ultimate Despair?
    • The reasons are never stated outright for any of the characters, sans Izuru, so it's really hard to give a definite answer. Most likely Nagito became part of the Ultimate Despair because Junko twisted his love for Hope into a need to give himself more Despair, or broke him enough that he could no longer tell the difference. And what if after Junko's death, he and the rest of the Ultimate Despair realized how much Junko screwed up their lives and the entire world? It was all her manipulating that turned them into these supposed monsters, after all, and if it wasn't for her and whatever she had to do to get them to join, they would have turned out fine. Or maybe hatred is the Ultimate Despair's own twisted version of adoration.
    • In the case of why Nekomaru, Ibuki, and Sonia eventually joined, I have no good answer for Nekomaru but I think I have one for Ibuki and Sonia.
      • Ibuki said she left her former group due to creative differences, and tried to go solo. This choice may not have ended well for her in reality, and she ended up becoming extremely lonely because she not only lost her fans, but she also lost her bandmates. Her sense of loneliness is also hinted in her Free Time Events.
      • This interpretation has received a fan-animation
      • This troper believe that she also fell into despair because everyone around her did (Hiyoko, Mahiru, Mikan). Not to go with the flow, but because it was very depressing. But i think this might be a little far-fetched.
      • For Sonia, she is a foreign exchange student and a high-class one with a rather decent, albeit outdated, grasp of the Japanese language and culture. It's very possible that she was a target of slander by her fellow classmates due to being very different and beautiful. Add all that in with the pressure of having to be the Ultimate Princess for both the school and her country, and the trauma that being a princess has brought her (such as being kidnapped twice) and you can probably see why she would start having a break down.
      • For Nekomaru, maybe he couldn't handle the pressure of managing the sports teams at Hope's Peak? Apparently what makes Nekomaru the Ultimate Team Manager is that he can take even the worst sports team and make them into champions. But you can't do that at Hope's Peak because every player on the team are Ultimates, they're already champions. So they don't necessarily need Nekomaru's training and encouraging. So maybe over time, he realized that his skills are actually worthless to the school, and that's when Junko came into the picture.
      • This one seems unlikely, due to Nekomaru's interactions with Akane. Just because the school is bursting with Ultimate Athletes doesn't mean they have nothing to work on. Sure, he might only be able to incrementally help them develop their primary talent, but some might just be coasting along on talent alone and unwilling to work (like Akane), or they might not be a team player. Nekomaru's there to develop them socially and ethically just as much as physically, so he was likely very useful at the school.
      • For Nagito, his justification for becoming an Ultimate Despair in Chapter 0 was that he was trying to cause enough suffering that the Ultimate Hope would come about in response, though it was implied that he may have fallen in love with Junko without realizing it, much to his apparent horror when Izuru Kamukura pointed it out to him. Also his brain had been rotting for years by that point and his life expectancy should have run out around the middle of his freshman year, so there's those too.
  • Sorry for the big chunk of text but this troper is really confused about Komaeda and might have missed the obvious. My overall question is how much exactly did Nagito know in Chapter 1, and post-4/5? He said he didn't know who the traitor was but, according to the wikia and possibly Chapter 6, he found out the whole history of the Ultimate Despair that everyone is from. Then Chiaki's information shouldn't really be in it, since she was never existed before then. Someone also mentioned elsewhere (Youtube to be specific) that Nagito knew the traitor was at least a girl because he said "Traitor-san" and he uses "-san" for girls (though this is lost in the English localization). Even if Monokuma placed fake information in the reward for FDR, at the beginning of the game, Nagito said he researched everyone before coming here (which is probably why Nagito knew Monokuma placed a fake profile). Then he should have noticed that Chiaki wasn't an actual student and that Hajime is a reserve student. This was evident since when he introduces Chiaki and even Hajime, he doesn't give the extra information about them like he did for the rest of the students. So my questions are:
    • 1. Did Nagito really not know who the traitor was and if so, why?
    • 2. Did Nagito know if Hajime was a reserve course student from the start?
    • 3. If he knew the traitor was Chiaki, why didn't it set up the card reader to deactivate with Chiaki's card? What was the whole point of the card reader thing if he was just planning to kill himself?
    • 4. Why did we go this far to weed out the traitor if he knows who she is? For the last question, it was mentioned in the game he wanted to kill everyone except the traitor which that brings to another question:
    • 5. If he knew everyone except her was Ultimate Despair, then he should know or at least figure out that that the reason why they're are here is to recover, especially since they were not acting anything like their despair selves. So why kill them? Not giving them a chance feels completely towards despair, not hope, which goes against his principles (and ironically, helping the person he hates the most, who he should know at this point).

  • 1.With the clues Nagito had, and his obvious intelligence, he could have figured out who the traitor was. If his thought process was “the traitor is likely Hajime or Chiaki, since they weren’t mentioned on the website, and the journal explicitly mentions helping Hajime, so it’s likely to be Chiaki”, or even that the student profiles held a clue of who the traitor was, then he could figure it out. However, he still would have killed Chiaki the same way. He wanted the students to vote for him committing suicide, and barring that, he especially had to make sure no one found out it was Chiaki who killed him. Otherwise, they would vote for her. So he committed his crime in a way that it would rely on his luck. So he might have known, but it wouldn’t change his actions.

    • 2.No. This is proven in Chapter 4. In Chapter 4, we see Nagito’s thoughts, meaning he can’t lie. In them he wonders what Hajime’s talent is. Nagito always had a gut feeling though. In Chapter 1, he claims that Hajime and himself give off the same “talentless aura”.

    • 3.Reasons for the card reader. One, it helped provide Chiaki with a solid “alibi” of sorts. Chiaki knew the bombs were fake so she didn’t hesitate to be the first one to put her card on it. This gave the others a feeling of “if Chiaki were the traitor she wouldn’t have done that”. The second reason was to buy time for Nagito to torture himself. The third reason is to keep them in the room with the bombs instead of running for cover. If they ran for cover from the bombs, they wouldn’t have seen the message. If they didn’t see the message, they wouldn’t have gone to the storeroom. If they hadn’t gone to the storeroom, then Nagito could have bled to death before Chiaki killed him, which would make everything for nothing.

    • 4.Firstly, even if he thought Chiaki was the traitor, there’a always the possibility he’s wrong. Nagito trusted his luck far more than his own reasoning. This was a failsafe. Secondly, he did it for the aforementioned reason of preventing the worst case scenario of someone finding out about the plan. Lastly, he went so far in order to make his own death look more planned out. The original plan was to make it look like someone else tortured him to death, just so that they would reason there was more to it and find about the “suicide”. He knew they expected a plan under the plan. (So he made a plan under the plan under the plan. Planception.)

    • 5.(You asked a question that has a very long answer, but here’s the summarized version.) Nagito considers certain people “worthless”; people without talent, and people with a worthless talent. (Ex; Hajime is in the first category, Nagito is in the second.) Those who are “worthless” must become stepping stones for those who have “worth” (ie; talent) so that person can reach the Ultimate Hope. The other students used to have “worth”, because of their talents. However, when he found out they were Ultimate Despair, they became part of the second category. When he realized they were “worthless”, they had to become stepping stones for the only person left with hope. The traitor. Nagito, just like he doesn't believe he can be saved from his worthlessness, doesn't think the others can either.
    • As for the Junko thing, Nagito likely believes her to be dead. Some think that he is referencing her in his dying message, but it’s more likely he’s referring to Makoto. He uses similar terminology to refer to both the person who’s watching them and to the person who wrote 11037. Both times he uses “to someone” in highlighted yellow. Nagito knew nothing of the Junko AI plan, so he likely didn't take it into account.
    • Nagito referring to the traitor as "Traitor-san" doesn't exactly mean he knew they were female. -san is a general honorific that is used when one doesn't know a person well enough. It's also a gender neutral honorific to begin with. Nagito is most likely using Japanese etiquette.
  • So, there's something that's been bugging me for a while about the Ultimate Despair, or more specifically about the 77th batch at Hope's Peak, why? Well correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't somewhere in the first game mentions something about each batch of Ultimate students being of 16? Which is kind of plot point about the missing 16th student? If that's the case then, not counting Chiaki and Hajime for obvious reasons, aren't there 2 missing students from the 77th batch? I'll take a shot and guess that Satou from the Twilight Syndrome Murder was one of them but that still lefts one missing student. I haven't read the novels so I don't know if maybe Matsuda was one of them too, or any other character in the books so there's that. Any theories or answers on this one?
    • There are only three confirmed students part of the 77th batch. Dangan Ronpa Zero says explicitly that Matsuda and Kamishiro are part of it, and the Makoto short story confirms that Nagito was the Ultimate Lucky Student that came before Makoto, making him part of the 77th batch as well. I personally think not all of the Super Dangan Ronpa 2 students are part of the same class, but come from both the 76th and 77th batches (I say only these two because Hope's Peak lasts three years, and the Ultimate Despair had to be in contact with Junko Enoshima, who joined with the 78th batch that we all know). For example, Fuyuhiko and Peko have to be from the 76th batch, because Fuyuhiko's younger sister was studying in Hope's Peak at the same time they were and it wouldn't make sense for the three of them to be in the same class considering there had to be at least a year of difference. That'd mean Fuyuhiko's sister was from the 77th batch, probably alongside Ibuki, Mahiru, Mikan, Hiyoko and Satou. I don't think there's more clues that can help us place the other students, though.
    • Actually there is. In the Twilight Syndrome photo Mikan and Hiyoko have different neck ties, which in Japan can indicate the student's year. This means Mikan would likely have been in the 76th, not 77th like Hiyoko as Hiyoko is still in her pre-growth spurt state implying she is a year younger.
  • At the end of chapter 3, was the Nekomaru that returns as a robot the real Nekomaru? Or had he died/been killed and it was Junko pretending to be him?
    • It really was Nekomaru, altered by Monokuma through the use of some dubious medical skills. Even though everything was a simulation, Nekomaru's injuries were too severe to be realistically healed, so Monokuma had to take some drastic measures to patch him up. Junko didn't have anything to gain from taking over the avatars in the game anyway; her real goal was to hijack the students' physical bodies.
  • So there's a big thing that's been bugging me for a very long time about how Chapter 4 progresses. During the period time in which the player controls Nagito, we see him clear the Final Dead Room, reach the Octagon, and receive his prizes for doing so from Monokuma. One of those prizes is the register for the Hope's Peak Students, and this information is what leads Nagito to learn that the students are all members of Ultimate Despair. So here's a question: why the hell didn't Gundham do anything with this information? He cleared the Final Dead Room before Nagito; by all accounts, he should've gotten the same information but even earlier. Even after the trial is over and he's slated to be executed, he says absolutely nothing about it. Really? I understand he's eccentric, but information this critical probably would've worn on him at least a little, don't you think?
    • Because Gundam only won the right to use the Octagon. Monokuma said the files were a special prize that could only earned by winning against 1/6 odds of survival on the Russian roulette section, which only Nagito was capable of thanks to his natural luck and Death Seeker tendencies as no one else here would be desperate enough to try. Gundam likely played Russian roulette the way it was intended which is why he never saw any of the files and everything about the Ultimate Despair was still there for Nagito to discover.
    • Part of this gets Lost in Translation; in the original Japanese version Gundham explicitly says that he played the Life-Threatening Game with normal odds and thus didn't receive the prizes Nagito did, while the English version doesn't explain this.
  • In Chapter 5 with Nagito's Thanatos Gambit, wouldn't his plan succeeding ruin Junko as well? With no actual students left to press the Graduate button, Junko would be trapped in the game forever and all the Ultimate students would simply be dead, just like the Future Foundation originally wanted. Why was Monokuma okay with this happening? (And why does it say on other pages here, especially Komaeda's character sheet, that his plan working would give Junko everything she wanted?)
    • No it wouldn't since it would make Chiaki "graduate" as Monokuma's rules dictates, since while an AI she is considered by the program just as much a student as all her fellow classmates, and thus forcibly trigger AI Junko's corruption of the graduation program as it has long since been completed. This means Nagito would have directly enabled Junko to posses the whole set of the 15 Ultimate Despairs while Chiaki and Usami would be completely incapable of stopping her as neither can actually leave the simulation and wouldn't get the warning AI Junko gave her Despairs to torment them. As a result it is likely the true outcome would only leave Makoto and the rest confused as to why the "former" despairs woke up so quickly and with minimal damage, since she made it sound like her acting would be enough to convince anyone and they didn't know how dying in the simulation would affect the victim anyway, and then leave her perfectly set on her way for global take over as she described in canon with even less possible resistance then she faced with the 5 survivors. Since this is such a positive outcome for Junko/Monokuma in either case, by getting 15 bodies to control to continue her despair or killing the traitor and continue tormenting her former Despairs without any risk of being opposed, it's no wonder they were so open to Nagito's actions and even though Nagito would have been executing all the Ultimate Despairs like the FF wanted he would have most likely doomed the entire world in the process.
  • Another question about Nagito. Why is he able to get away with blatantly destroying property (including at least two monitors and cameras) with his initial bomb in the hotel/restaurant? Not a single mention of this damage is made, even though it is a blatant violation of at least two regulations (littering and property damage). This is especially jarring since the "no littering" rule was a huge plot point in trial 2. They even discuss the rules later, but only in the context of Nagito claiming to destroy the entire island (Monokuma states that it is not possible to punish a student for merely THREATENING to destroy property....but he clearly already has inflicted significant damage!)
    • From what I can remember, the rule only states that destruction of the environment is against the rules, not destruction of property. This could be taking things a bit too literal, but in this case "environment" is referring to the nature of the island. Since only the hotel itself was damaged, it doesn't count as damaging the environment. This also doesn't break the "no littering" rule as nothing is being littered. Blowing something up doesn't mean discarding it and throwing it away. The rules being brought up in the conversation is only because Nagito's using a loophole saying that he can't be punished for killing more than two students if he and the others are already dead, so him blowing up the island wouldn't matter if he can't be punished for it. It also seems like Monokuma's rules usurp Monomi's rules, as her first rule states that no violence is allowed which contradicts Monokuma's killing game. So even if Nagito was breaking the littering and damaging the environment rule, Monokuma doesn't care enough to do anything about it. So technically, Nagito didn't break a single rule.
  • How come in chapter 5, no one brings up the possibility that the traitor could be one of the already dead students? Ok, it turns out not to be the case, but Nagito had no way of knowing that, and it would have explained why they didn't come forward.
    • Monokuma says several times that the traitor is still alive, and even Hajime agrees that Monokuma is usually honest at times like this. While Monomi denies it, she's such a Bad Liar all it does is reinforce their theory that the traitor is alive.