So is Akane actually asymptomatic or is she just good at stress management? I thought she had fluctuations in her pass they just weren't as pronounced as others' and she recovered quickly, where as asymptomatic individuals don't seem to have fluctuations at all.
She's asymptomatic. Even if she's good at stress management it wouldn't explain how her Psycho Pass was clear when having a breakdown after seeing her friend die
Relays. It is said that the block the perp ran off to in the first episode has no relays, thus the drones can't function there. However, the Dominators function just fine despite them being separated pretty far from their carrier drone. This collides with episode 3, where it is shown that they can't use both drone (specifically, the Dominator carrier ones) and Dominator because they have no network coverage (indirectly, relays) there. The building is just one rather small factory, though it is uncertain if they have signal jamming/scrambling going on (if they do, it must suck as it does not extend past their front door and to their parking lot). Towards the end of the episode, the Dominators work fine in the vicinity of its carrier drone, implying that the drone is some sort of mini-relay a la WiFi routers.
Actually, it was explicitly said that Dominators didn't work on the factory grounds because all wireless communication from the outside was being actively blocked to prevent drones from being remotely cracked, not because there was no coverage. They worked in the vicinity of the police drone because they were connected to it by cables, and the drone was in turn cabled to the access point in the police car, just outside the factory.
The antenna at the top of Nona Tower looks like a longer wave (VHF?) long distance transceiver. It can cover an entire city without using relays, except it won't penetrate closed metal spaces or underground. But it has very limited bandwidth. Over-the-air TV and radio work like that. First mobile phone systems used these waves too, but capacity quickly became a problem, which is why they use higher frequencies and loads of smaller transceivers covering limited areas now. It is quite possible that Dominators can communicate with the Nona Tower antennas directly, but drones can not.
Masaoka seemed surprised at the idea of Internet communities. But the story is set in the future, and he's not that old — he would have grown up with Internet being at least as ubiquitous as nowadays. CommuFields aren't really that different from present community forums in their principle, just in technology used.
It's possible he just never really bothered with it when he was young. We still don't really know much about his past.
In the first episode, Akane prevents Masaoka from paralyzing a rape victim whose Hue has become cloudy. Her reasoning was that she had not done anything, and I figured it was the right choice because it would be far better to bring her in calm than to make the whole thing worse by paralyzing her, especially when it becomes clear later that the effects take a long time to wear off. However, by preventing the victim from being paralyzed, her Psycho Pass only gets cloudier, to the point of lethal levels. Akane calms her down of course, but in the end the poor girl just ends up hit by paralyzer anyway. What was the point of Akane stopping the whole process in the first place if the end result was the same?
She doesn't prevent him from paralysing her, she prevents him from executing her - if you look at the screen when they are scanning her it says "Target: execution" right under her coefficient. By the time Ginoza hit her Akane had managed to calm her down and the Sybil system had reclassified her to a target for non-lethal paralysis.
Then why does Masaoka say that they're going to put her to sleep and take her into custody? He doesn't strike me as the type to lie about something like that, especially since Akane just checked her own Dominator and saw the reading.
After having rewatched the full episode I see that I was mistaken when I wrote my first response: when she points the Dominator at Masaoka earlier it says "Execution at the discretion" under the coefficient and "Paralyser" in the upper right-hand corner, implying that the word "execution" is used here in the meaning of "carrying out, enforcement", not "capital punishment". Apparently the victim did become a target for elimination only when Kōgami's dominator indicated the change in her status, not before that. Having said that, I'm not sure I understand what point you are looking for in the original question. If it's about the character's motivation and in-universe justification, then Akane never intended for the woman to get paralysed and the fact that Ginoza ends up doing it anyway is completely unrelated to what she had been trying to do (namely, to get the victim to calm down without assaulting her with the Dominator). If it's about the story-telling purpose of her actions, then the end result wasn't the same. If she hadn't prevented Masaoka from paralysing the victim when he had the chance we wouldn't get to see the conflict between the idealistic newcomer who wants to protect the innocent, regardless of whether or not the Sybil System sees them as such, and the jaded veterans who have already deferred most of their judgement to the System. Even though the latter side eventually accomplished what it had originally intended to do, Akane managed to demonstrate both the effectiveness of her approach and her resolve in defending it.
So it wasn't okay to paralyze her initially, when she's in a state of panic and on the verge of doing something drastic, which nearly results in disaster, but Akane's fine with Ginoza doing so now that the victim is calm and danger has been averted?
I'm pretty sure she isn't fine with it. However, unlike the two enforcers, Ginoza is entirely beyond her control - in fact their huge difference in experience at the time made him her de facto superior. She only started demanding that he treat her as an equal and criticizing his conduct in episode 9; in episodes 1 and 2 all she could do was try to justify her own.
The Dominators were definitely in lethal mode until she put down the lighter.
I'm only on Episode 7 (11 have aired by the time I'm writing this) but something seems to keep going over my head (among a lot of other things). The Enforcers are labeled as "latent criminals", but only Kogami has ever really been known to have done anything that psychotic or harmful, and that was in a flashback. The rest of them just sort of have these labels and it's really hard to tell the difference between them any "normal" characters. Obviously the bad guys are all super crazy, but the Enforcers themselves don't really represent themselves as people with the potential to go nuts like that. Also the fact that none of the Unit One characters besides Kogami and Tsunemori have gotten ANY development. We get a look back at Ginoza's past relationship with Kogami, but that's about it. Am I missing something here?
Thats sorta the point, society has deemed them criminals, without them even doing anything. If anything the stress of being labelled a latent criminal causes the crime coefficient to go up more than them just being left on their own
Then isn't that only an Informed Flaw? Shouldn't it be more played up?
Its subtle, but its still there. The whole first episode has the bad guy ranting about it, as well as the incident with his victim. Then we have Kagari saying he was diagnosed when he was a kid. We also have Makishima being a prime example of why the system is flawed. We don't really get someone explicitly saying the system is flawed till episode 13. It may have simply been subtly building up till the second half of the series, but if you pay attention its clear that the system isn't exactly flawless
I never said it was flawless, just that the Enforcers' status as latent criminals has yet to show any sign of inconvenience for them. Yeah, Kagari said that he was diagnosed as a kid, but we have no indication that this made his life more difficult in any way. And besides Kogami's standard "cop who gets obsessed with certain cases" cliche, none of them really seem to do anything that would imply that the title of latent criminal fits them at all because none of them get any character development. Yayoi gets an episode of backstory, but it's not exactly pushing her character forward.
The Enforcers are exceptions to the rule, since their status as law enforcement officers gives them much greater freedom and a certain amount of legitimacy than other latent criminals. Plus, the Sibyl System, which everybody puts so much faith in, also deems who is suitable to be an Enforcer or not. Also, if you pay closer attention, you'll notice that the Enforcers are never allowed to leave HQ on their own or when off duty ever. Their office is effectively their prison, which Kagari is openly bitter about. And it's revealed Masaoka's psycho-pass shot up because he simply couldn't accept the Sibyl system, and the resulting branding as a latent criminal destroyed his family.
Those HUGE SMILEY FACED security disguises. Wouldn't they be more likely to disturb rather than pacify?
It's also part of the series' overall critique of modern Japanese society: See the page image for Kawaisa. Possibly related to Sibyl as an extreme nanny-state, with its pacified/easily-amused citizens/children.
How the Dominators kill off latent criminals. Why put so much power in weapons to the point where the target gets reduced to Ludicrous Gibs?
Rule of Cool. Plus it also allows Enforcers to engage armored targets like rogue drones.
What advantages has the Sibyl System given the main characters that this universe's law system wouldn't have given them? It seems like the system is only in the story to be a hinderance. If you're going to put a radically different law system into a story, shouldn't you try to give the audience an example of how it would be BETTER to have the new system BEFORE deconstructing it?
It allows them to identify criminals and potential criminals without letting them commit a crime. It also allows them to take action against them without needing a warrant. Also since they use dominators they can restrain or kill criminals based on how badly they have deteriorated psychologically. While it does deconstruct aspects of the system, its shown that the world has become peaceful and less stressful for everyday people.
And that's fine to reduces stress, but it seems like it's at the cost of their lives, seeing as most of the cases we've seen are of people who relieve their stress by KILLING OTHER PEOPLE, thus covering up their trail and leaving tons of bodies. Yes, they are eventually stopped by the Enforcers, but when the system can prevent muggings and public drama but NOT dozens of murders, it seems like something the makers (or at least current handlers, depending on how long this system has been implemented) would have noticed this glaring flaw.
They did, and they had tried to prevent the society at large from noticing it too as Chief Kasei reveals in episode 13: the problem is not how to create a perfect system, but how to make everyone implementing the system convinced that it is perfect. It seems to work fine as even when Makishima finally blows the cover with his Masked Men scheme most people still convince themselves that it is not the system which is at fault.
The system also seems to be flawed with how it chooses career paths for the populace, as seen with the latent criminals with the Psycho Pass manipulating helmets in episode 15. Why bother to get immersed in a career when it is pre-determined by a machine and kills one's drive to better themselves for anything better if the society is completely dependent on the Sibyl System?
The System gives choices of career for people to pursue, for sexample: Akane has been given some other choices of profession before choosing to join CID, not just giving ultimate decision. Besides, most people would actually rather choose a career that suits them the most instead of one which provides more challenges.
Except the System determines those career options by evaluating aspects of a person's character that it feels would be beneficial to society at large instead of the individual. You might have noticed in episode 15 that the helmeted folks were attacking a university and it was implied that they were pre-determined by the Sibyl System to be more beneficial to society if they went on the work force right away instead of attending university. And the bettering part I mentioned has more to do with wanting to get a better career option than what one has now. Any person with the drive to want to have a better paying career than they have would naturally want to go after it if they have the opportunity. If the Sibyl System tells you that you are better off stuck in a low-paying job, then it's obviously gonna tick people off.
And of course, some people have an idea of "what suits them" that differs from the opinions of others, so if you wanted to be a writer or artist but Sibyl says you'd do better in recording-keeping, you can be just as pissed about it as someone who wants a better-paying or more prestigious job but gets stuck overseeing an assembly-line. And, as mentioned, if you wanted to attend university because you have an interest in learning, but Sibyl says "Nope, we need more laborers," you're not gonna be satisfied, even if you don't have any other choice but to accept it.
I think people forget The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions. First of I have not noticed any unambiguous indicators that would state that system was composed only from asymptomatic people form the start. Only that they are valuable as they provide different perspectives, thats why system wants to incorporate them. More importantly though one can easily see why such system could be easy sell (esp if limitations regarding asymptomatic individuals were underestimated at the inception). Similar things are going on in the world right now, people trading various things (mostly freedom and dignity) in the name of security from terrorists and child molesters (events that are in reality incredibly rare and have relatively minuscule impact [compare to car accidents, disease, regular man slaughter]). So the appearance of such system does not seem a tiny bit mysterious or suspicious. But alas unintended consequences settle in. Which seem to be main thing being explored.
Plus literally everything in the modern areas of the city actively checks your psycho-pass in real time, and many buildings will lock you out if your hue is too cloudy. A latent criminal will literally be unable to blend into society and would be forced to go off the grid.
The recent revelations about the truth behind the Sibyl System. How exactly is it beneficial for a Hive Mind of sociopaths immune to Psycho Pass scans to judge Japanese society at large when the public assumes it's an unbiased computer system?
Interactions between the Sibyl System and Akane in the last couple of episodes shows that the Sibyl System's goal is indeed a long-therm prosperity of society as a whole, it lies about its nature, not about its intent. Its benefits are Exactly What It Says on the Tin - it is an unbiased system motivated by logic instead of hatred, greed or fear.
This, many times over. There is nothing in the least bit admirable or meritable about the Sibyl System. The show makes it very clear that Sibyl is a horrible conspiracy which exists for its own sake, capriciously ruins or simply ends untold thousands of lives, relies on a legion of mindless shoot-to-kill robots to maintain order, and would be burned to ashes if the public were to learn of the unholy abomination micromanaging their lives. Given the true nature of the System and the fact that every almost every protagonist in the show independently comes to the conclusion that it is fundamentally flawed at best, it is probably safe to state the Sibyl is outright Evil, self-serving claim to the public good notwithstanding.
My question has more to do with why the parties responsible for it thought it was such a good idea?
Because they know best what type of people will commit crimes. Look how easily Makishma found people willing to commit crimes. Also the people part of the System see themselves as gods, or at the very least above ordinary people. This keeps them in check so that they can be used of the benefit of humanity.
Except sociopaths are incapable of empathizing with others and realizing the flaws to their immoral behavior, only seeing themselves above others due to their lack of comprehension on human morality. Allowing such a system like this to exist has likely led to other crimes to take place in this society because of the Sibyl System either adding more people like Makishima to their Hive Mind system or having people like Kogami be labeled a "latent criminal" just because the system has failed at keeping criminals like Makishima from being properly judged as a criminal and having the mentioned "latent criminal" feeling forced to take matters in their own hands as a result.
The Hive Mind of the Sibyl System is meant to be an extreme take on the "group over individual" mentality that is a component of Japanese society. To those that created the system, the brains of sociopaths would be perfect in governing society at large since they are seen to be rational in the decisions they make without emotions influencing them due to their lack of ability to empathize with people on an individual basis.
There is the inherent possibility that Sibyl was begun with the intention of governance, but concluded as it developed, that the devaluation of the individual, in favor of using society as a test sample, to further its own developed group consciousness, was more important. In this sense, nothing is directly beneficial to the individuals the system exists to govern, but rather, the individuals exist to be placated and studied, in order to further develop Sibyl's understanding of Human value. Sibyl's cover story is to continue to govern humans, but its ultimate goal is to be accepted for this governance, for what it is. In other words; Sibyl is trying to become the next step in human evolution... or 'God', if you prefer. Any moves in favor of incorporating 'criminality' into its collective are to further understand how humans are motivated to 'crime'. It's a system expanding its definitions, in order to attain further enlightenment. Conventional 'law' is seen by Sybil as a farce, and thus the Dominators, which allow it to make its own assessments, in place of individuals.
Moreover, Sybil can use the Dominators to directly get into the heads of ideal specimens; the Inspectors, on the matter of law enforcement; and will demote them as their behaviors show increasing signs of criminal deviation, to keep them under continued, restricted observation as Enforcers. The hue checks/scans themselves are just a pretense; statistics thrown at the unthinking, to justify Sibyl's enforcement to the outside world and preserve a sense of order and security. This would explain Sibyl's motivation to both override the Dominator secretly for its own self-defense (since it's not an action conflicting with any particular code of value relevant to Sybil), and to demand of Akane that the other Inspectors/Enforcers not become aware of same ability: If word got out the system was arbitrary, the system couldn't simply sweep up the matter of its own enforcement with the concept of the Psycho-Pass anymore, and would be forced to reveal its true, self-interested nature prematurely.
Technically, we don't know that all 437 brains are sociopaths; being criminally asymptomatic just means you're one of a small percentage of people who are immune or resistant to Sibyl's scans, and Akane's displayed similarly-low Coefficients while being an idealistic and compassionate person. As well, while Touma/Kasei is explaining the System, it's implied that the original think-tank wasn't comprised of asymptomatic brains, but that those were added later to increase efficiency and aid in predicting the actions of future asymptomatics. Whether some outside agency or the System itself decided on this isn't clear, but it does seem that "sociopath brains" were not an initial part of the Sibyl System. Granted, after Makishima's rejection, it does seem that Sibyl isn't actually all that good at predicting the actions of such people...
It's strongly implied that the criminally asymptomatic folks in the world of Psycho Pass are sociopaths considering their biological readings can't be properly scanned with Dominators or other devices that measure Psycho Passes and that the few seen in the show don't believe their criminal activity to be wrong, the latter a common trait found with sociopaths.
We've only seen "a few" - which is what, two whole people? - who are both confirmed 'sociopaths' and naturally asymptomatic. That doesn't change the fact that we have no idea if the others in the collective, or potential candidates for the collective, are also sociopaths. That's all actually beside the point, since the question above was "Why would whoever put the Sibyl System in place think that sociopath brains are the way to go?" and the response was/is "Pretty sure that sociopath brains weren't part of the original System, but were added later by the System itself to help quantify anomalies - criminal asymptomatics - that the then-existing System couldn't get a grasp on."
When the Sibyl System reveals its true self to Akane in episode 20, it admits that many of the individual brains among its Hive Mind have committed worst crimes than Makishima has and the qualifications of being among its "components" are that you need to be "criminally asymptomatic" and not empathize with society at large when making decisions. These elements still strongly hint at the entirety of the Sibyl System consisting of sociopaths.
Given that being asymptomatic seems to be something hardwired into your brain and not just your personality it might be that the Sibyl system only needs their brains in order to do it computations and not their personalities.
Think about it. How do you find out that someone is "criminally asymptomatic"? Simple. You watch them commit a crime and if their Psycho Pass stays clear, then they are. However, this means that the only way for such an individual to be detected is if they're a criminal. Even if an asymptomatic person who is innocent existed, they would be indistinguishable from a normal good citizen and pass under the Sibyl System's radar. It follows that regardless of whether all criminally asymptomatic people are criminals or not, all the ones actually incorporated in the System almost certainly are.
Another problem is the fact that just because sociopaths have no regard for the feelings and lives of others does not correlate to them being Straw Vulcans. In fact, sociopaths can be just as emotional/irrational, if not even more so. Contrary to people like Makishima or Hannibal Lecter, most sociopaths tend to be extremely impulsive, engaging in potentially self-destructive behaviors like alcoholism and drug abuse. Heck, it was shown the brains running the system have already developed delusions of godhood. Obviously there must be some sort of Restraining Bolt in place to keep them from going off the sidelines.
Why did Makishima need to commit any of his early crimes in the series? His ultimate goal was to destroy (or make useless) the Sybil System, and all he needed was an opening. So, he started the riots, which allowed him to access the tower. When this plan didn't work, he tried exhausting the country's food supply in order to make the Sybil System useless. So, if this is all he was trying to do, then why did he support so many random psycopaths? If anything, it just tipped off Division 1 to what he was doing. If he had waited for his master-plan to do anything, then no one would've known his existence, and Division 1 wouldn't have ever guessed that the riots were part of a bigger plan. I know something was said about the plan being changed because of the helmets, so please correct this if I simply missed something. Otherwise, Makishima's actions don't really seem cohesive.
Making people give into their worst desires and impulses is basically Makishima's hobby. He smiles a lot as he helps guide people into becoming evil and hurting society. It's one of the few times his facial expression changes and Makishima also is implied to identify more with criminals as defined by the Sibyl System.
The Psycho-Pass New Edit condensed version of the series adds additional footage at the beginning of each episode as well as in the middle portion. The third episode of the New Edit is a conversation between Makishima and Choe where Makishima more or less says that he is interested in making people act as if they are Beyond Good & Evil in order to see their true character, and part of this is by giving them the "power" to do so (such as the hacking program given to the technician in the drone factory).
Makishima: "When the weak become strong... when the citizen is free to engage in violence... I'm interested to see what the outcome of that is."
Why did Shogo Makishima not kill Akane in the last episode? He could very well do it even without the revolver.
Probably too weak from blood loss and still too rattled from the truck crash for him to kill her with just his bare hands. It took all of his energy just to run across the grain field and he had to stop and catch his breath a few times. Plus Kougami was coming too.
How does being criminally asymptomatic work with the Sybil system being a bunch of people. If it were just a machine, it would be one thing, but as it stands, several hundred brains are able to see a person commit murder and not do anything about it.
Those people determine hue and Psycho Pass from scans of biometric data (like brain activity), not video of the crimes.
Further, the Sybil system has a vested interest in protecting the criminally asymptomatic and in hiding any evidence of its fallibility. As such, while it could alter the coefficient of otherwise asymptomatic people so that they'd be caught and killed, it prefers not to so that it can recruit them.
How could the Sibyl system have possibly been created? The only brains that can be used are those of the criminally asymptotic, but those people can only be discovered by reading their Psycho Pass—which is only possible when the Sibyl system to already be in place.
In episode 17, while "Kasei" explains the origins of the system it seems as though she's saying the original "prototype" or so to speak wasn't compromised of asymptomatic brains. They were only implemented into the system later on in what appears to be an "if you can't beat them, join them" sort of thing to maintain a government in a world that otherwise has no order (she reveals that because of the system, Japan is the only country with a stable government). Their efficiency, ability to realize that someone else is like them, and logical, unbiased views likely made the system more effective and it may have just spiraled from there.