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Headscratchers: My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic Meta

  • Will the Sea Ponies make an appearance?
    • If so, I hope they look more like hippocampi, as mentioned below, than those foul abominations.
    • SHOO BEE DOO SHOOP SHOOP BEE DOO!
    • The Flutter Ponies were alluded to in one recent episode (Rarity was turned into one), so it might not be that much of a stretch.
    • There are already pegasi, why not bring in another creature from Greek mythology?
    • There is a sea ponies playset, available in Toys'R'Us. If they need material for the next season...you never know.
    • I'm guessing they lost the rights. Still, there's no reason they can't introduce some kind of hippocampi.
    • Lauren says that while she actually planned to put them in a season two episode, since she left, it is unlikely they will appear.
      • She was involved with season 2 before she left, so it's a good chance. Here's hoping they sing.
      • There is no chance. They stated that Hasbro did a test with very stupid children who were freaked out by sea ponies because they didn't knew what sea horses were. Mermaid ponies are possible though.
      • ^ I am 20 years old and the Sea Ponies from the above video freaked me out. It's like they decided to see if they could put other animals besides humans in the Uncanny Valley.
      • Are you sure that's legitimate news? Even given how ridiculous the results of focus groups can be, it sounds implausible.
    • Perhaps Twilight Sparkle's next major magic spell will involve turning others into Sea Ponies? That's how we got a reference to the Flutter Ponies, so I wouldn't be surprised.
    • What about Kelpies?
      • If sea horses freak children out, how well do you think they'd accept horses whose sole purpose in life is to drown people?
      • In the map at the end of My Little Pony Issue 2, a location is named "Kelpie Cove", seeming to indicate kelpies actually ARE canon.
      • Or it's a Mythology Gag.
    • Now more or less answered: the picture book Under The Sparkling Sea is all about them. You might argue on whether the book is canon or not, but it is an official depiction of seaponies in G4 continuity.
  • This isn't a gripe, but I swear Rainbow Dash has the same voice as Spinelli from Recess. IMDB says otherwise, though.
    • Well, they both needed voice actresses that could sound tomboyish, so this is probably why their voices are so alike.
    • I personally think she sounds more like Cree Summer, especially when she voiced Numbah 5, wince they both have that odd, scratchy undertone.
  • Does anyone else have a feeling that they are slowly running out of Aesops? I mean, the formula for each episode is supposed to be that Twilight learns something new about the magic of friendship and reports her findings back to princess Celestia, but many Aesops in recent episodes didn't even have much to do with friendship (although they were still pretty good) and it looks like writers just tried to add something like "and your friends can help you with that" at the end of them just to be consistent. Heck, at the end of 17th episode Twilight didn't even mention friendship when writing to Celestia! I know that there is only so many lessons about friendship you can give without becoming repetitive ("never lose faith in your friends", "respect your friends' feelings" etc.) but wouldn't it be easier if non-friendship aesops ended not with "Dear princess Celestia, today I learned a valuable lesson about friendship..." but "Dear princess Celestia, today my friends helped me learn a valuable life lesson..."?
    • I'm guessing they're trying to down play it.
    • She has to graduate eventually and stand on her own.
    • The show's writers figured that out already. That's why now they're having other ponies write Celestia letters now instead of just Twilight. Actually, I think they're pretty close to hitting the limit on what they can do with her (they've already given her a mental breakdown twice).
    • I think they need another "No means No" aesop...because Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped and it seems to have missed its target.

  • I just get this weird Uncanny Valley feeling when any of the ponies face the camera, particularly Applejack. It's like it stops being "cute cartoon ponies" and starts being "this face does not match this body."
    • YMMV, I like how ponies faces look from front. It's cute and cool. Maybe don't look like ponies faces but its cartoon.
    • Agreeing with original troper in that whatever this is, it's most pronounced with Applejack. I think it has something to do with the hat.
    • I think that they still look like ponies from the front.
    • I find the big eye size to be borderline cute and kinda Uncanny Valley. Oh, and this doesn't help (WARNING: Potential Nightmare Fuel)note 
    • Anyone else wondering why mares have eyes 2 to 3 times the size of colts?
    • They look fine to me; I don't really know what you're talking about.
      • Uncanny Valley is subjective.
      • Uncanny Valley also explicitly applies only to things that fail to look human, and thus is the wrong trope entirely for this.
      • Not really, if you think about it- in order to be able to identify with cartoon critters, we need to recognize them as human on some level, hence the high amount of anthropormorphization on cartoon critters (raging from minor examples like the ponies to Petting Zoo People who identify with their animal sides.)
    • This may just be me, but the effect (I noticed something slightly off, too) seems to have been mitigated as of Season 2. This is most obvious with Cheerilee in the first few minutes of S02E01; her face, even from the front, seems to have more dimension to it. Looks like merely a slight change of angle and subsequent positioning of the muzzle outline, but it does wonders.
    • My theory: The head and body are clearly not human from the side, but not so clearly when viewed straight on (the snout is not readily visible and the body's length disappears). They edge into the uncanny valley from the far side.

  • Why the heck do they even need a singing voice for Pinkie Pie? This troper has a old Madeline CD (Hats Off To Madeline, published in 1995), and a few tracks in there features Andrea Libman's singing, and she is good at it. Yeah, this troper's a big fan of Madeline.
    • Not sure, but it may be the fact that Pinkie is definitely a character voice, and maybe some singers aren't that comfortable singing in a character voice?
    • Perhaps Libman just isn't enough of a Motor Mouth when she's singing.
    • She does her own singing for Fluttershy, so it's not an issue of not being a good singer. My guess is that she couldn't sound enough like Pinkie while singing, so they brought in Shannon Chan-Kent instead.
      • It seems to this troper that she sounds a lot more like Pinkie than Fluttershy when she's singing (as Fluttershy) in "Cutie Mark Chronicles" except for the beginning of the song and the last syllable.
      • Related to the above - it's probably just down to sounding enough like two different characters when singing, probably a bit of a feat.
    • I heard it was because they originally didn't have Libman doing Pinkie, but it was the one who does Pinkie's singing, then they got Libman doing Pinkie's voice instead, but they liked the original's singing so much they kept her on for Pinkie's singing but not speaking. And it fits in as seamlessly as Jasmine and Aladdin's. My question is... why didn't they have Apple Bloom be the one good at singing, since her actress does the singing for Sweetie Belle, and it's very obvious its her, due to the country twang her voice has.
      • Close, but not quite. Dan Ingram answered this one already. When he was trying to get hired for the show (before any of the VA's were hired), he asked his friend Shannon Chan-Kent to sing. Hasbro liked her singing as Pinkie so they cast her on the spot, apparently before Libman was hired. Shannon was never cast as Pinkie's speaking voice, and the only reason Libman gets to sing as Fluttershy is because Hasbro couldn't find anyone else able to do it better.

  • The use of the term "pony" instead of "body" is cute and all but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not like bodies are something that's exclusive to humans. Ponies have bodies too!
    • Maybe it's specifying "ponies, as opposed to bovines, dragons, and other non-pony sentients." We know that cows, buffalo, griffons, and dragons, and probably other creatures, are sentient and capable of speech as well.
      • Well that's just discriminatory.
      • Not really, since they DO occasionally use every"one" depending on the situation. Usually when mentioning something that would effect more than just ponies, or, probably, if they were to refer to a group that had non-ponies as well—so if you were referring to the mane six and Spike, you'd use any/every"one", but if it was just the mane six it would be any/every"pony". Although, admittedly, that might just be the writers slipping. Besides, for all we know, other sentient species do it, too.
      • "Everypony" probably only replaces "everybody," so "everyone" fits, but isn't as natural (to ponies).
    • In the first episode of the second season, Rainbow Dash says "Nopony insults the princess!" but clearly means to say Discord shouldn't, even though he's not a pony. And Applejack says she was talking to "nopony" and is clearly lying, even though she wasn't talking to ponies. So much for that being so neat.
      • I thought it was supposed to represent that she was still in the early stages of the corruption, and was telling a half-truth rather than lying outright.
    • Actually Rainbow Dash saying "nopony" to Discord doesn't count as an error since it was mentioned that while Discord's body was made up of all different sorts of creatures, his head was still that of a pony. So he still qualifies as being at least related to the other ponies.
    • At the beginning of "Putting Your Hoof Down", Fluttershy says "Plenty for everypony" while feeding her pets, even though there's not a single pony present other than herself.
    • it seems like one of those things everybody does just because everybody else is doing it.

  • Why does Twilight Sparkle have a different actress for singing parts? Tara Strong has been shown in the past to be a very competent singer.
    • To this question and the other similar one above: a voice actress may be able to sing, but there is the chance that singing too much can put a strain on her voice, and then she probably won't be able to do the speaking role for a while. It's easier to hire someone else for a singing role while keeping the speaking role intact.
    • Also, as mentioned above, if the character's voice is far enough removed from the actress', she may not be able to maintain that voice while singing. Finding someone else who can sing and make it sound like the character is better than that character's voice completely shifting whenever she sings.
    • While this troper honestly thought that Twilight singing was Tara, what she finds odd about it is the fact that Tara usually does a phenomenal job of singing in-character, even if the voice is quite different from her natural voice. Take, for example, her work voicing Melody in The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea. Twilight's voice, pitchwise, is a bit similar, and Strong did both the speaking and singing voice for Melody. So, theoretically, Twilight shouldn't be to much of a stretch to do both voices for. But I digress.
    • Logistics. Strong lives & works in California. The rest of the cast is based (and records) in Canada. The songs tend to be ensemble efforts and work better with all the main voices in the same room. Guess they just figured it was easier to get a double that sounded close enough than to fly her out each time they needed to record a musical number.

  • Is it bad when you start using words like "somepony" or "anypony" in real life?
    • Depends. Are you talking to ponies?
      • Oh come on, I think it's cute.
    • It doesn't matter. You're a troper. You're doomed anyway.
    • Yes. Speaking as a non-brony here, we start to get creeped out when people start talking about ponies. Think of it this way - what do you do when you see a Star Trek fan speaking klingon? Yeah. It's kind of like that.
      • What's bad is that I don't see anything wrong with that, either.
      • It isn't so much THAT you like the show. It's HOW MUCH you like the show. What do you think of those people who insert random japanese into every day conversation? Crazy japanophiles? Yep...that's how we see you and those Klingons.
      • Well sometimes I use it when referencing the characters but I never used it to describe fans, because we are not ponies. It just doesn't make sense.
      • I can understand having a problem with people speaking Klingon IRL, but Japanese? Really?
      • Monomania - that's the bad thing. I find a disturbing number of Monomaniacs in this fandom. And that really really scares me.
      • If it makes you feel better it's pretty much the same thing you see at football/soccer matches, just with a somewhat more unusual origin. They're pretty much mostly sane human beings when you get down to it. I still hold to my belief that there are a lot less crazy people in this fandom than it appears and the ones that are are either just an extremely vocal minority (and it's not like it's unusual to get a little crazy on the internet.)
      • I find the stuff you're describing (Football matches) to be just as creepy as the My Little Pony monomania.

  • The creator of this show has said that she wants this to be popular not just with little girls but also with little boys and their parents. Now we already have many adult males watching it, but do we have any confirmed cases of little boys who are fans of My Little Pony? Is this show raising a generation of boys who will be more willing to watch shows like Hidamari Sketch? (Note: I mean ones that HAVEN'T hit puberty yet.)
    • My nephews seem to enjoy it, one is 4, the other 3. I'm tempted to introduce my older nephews (7 and 6) to it.
    • I babysit for a 9 year old and 4 year old, both boys. The former thinks that Pinkie Pie is the funniest thing ever, while the latter keeps trying to pull off a Sonic Rainboom. They both said it's their favorite show.
    • Pfft, Tagger was into ponies BEFORE they were mainstream.
    • Out of curiosity, where would they find shows like Hidamari Sketch assuming they don't watch anime?
    • My seven-year-old nephew enjoys this show, and his favorite character is Rarity.
    • My 12-year-old brother watches the show and although he doesn't have a favorite episode or character, he's trying to learn the songs and has drawn a piece of fanart. I find his interest a little more surprising, since he also watches Family Guy and South Park but can enjoy the friendlier MLP:FIM.
    • My 3 brothers; 11, 8 and 5 respectively. I introduced them to the show shortly after I got into it. They all think Bridle Gossip is best episode(Silly siblings, that's not how you spell Stare Master!), and last I checked, 11 likes Fluttershy most, 8 likes Applejack most and 5 likes Rainbow Dash most.
    • My godchildren love the show. The eldest is a nine year old boy who's automatically into anything generally considered boyish and utterly averse to anything that seems girlish. This show is the exception.
    • My nephews and nieces all hate the show, and when someone came to promote My Little Pony in the book fair, they were met with rampant booing. No, they're not high-school age...these are kids in between the ages of five and eleven.
    • My nephew (age 7) maybe isn't a HUGE fan of the show, but enjoys it enough to join his little sister if she's watching it.
    • My 12 year old cousin and I both enjoy the show more than either of our sisters.
    • My cousin who works at a daycare centre tried showing it and...well...the daycare centre had to ban future showings of My Little Pony episodes because a bunch of people hated it and tried to exile the ones who didn't. Note that I said Daycare..these are four year old kids.
    • Same situation with me (though it happened more than half a year before I became interested in this franchise myself). I went to a friend's house and his 12 year old sister was watching TV (though she wasn't watching it at the moment. I noticed MLP was on and asked her if she liked it. She said she hated it and was just waiting until Adventure Time would show. When I told her about the adult male fanbase both my friend and his sister laughed and thought it was just a joke, as did everyone else I was willing to put MLP in conversation with. And these friends are pretty big video game nerds too.
  • Doesn't really fit in with the tone of this page, but I'm curious as how Hasbro lost the rights to every character BUT Applejack and Spike. The new ponies are a lot better, but even so.

  • As far as the toys go it bugs me that Twilight doesn't come with a Spike figure, instead she has some goofy-looking owl thing.
    • Spike did come in the preview set with Twilight, along with Applejack, Pinkie Pie and Celestia. He's bigger than the owl-thing.
    • Hmm, that explains plot of coming episode.
    • Rarity's toy comes with a bird instead of a cat...
    • Applejack's doesn't even have her hat!
      • Spike stole it and ran away!
    • On another note, the owl with Twilight looks nothing like Owloysius!!

  • Regarding the toys... I know they made some changes to the toys (like making Princess Celestia pink) because they thought it would appeal more to girls. But, I don't really get it. If little girls are fans of the series and wanted to play Friendship is Magic with the characters, wouldn't they want the toys to actually look like the characters? I mean, if a cartoon series based on the X-Men became popular one year and a company decided to make some Wolverine Halloween costumes based on the show design, they wouldn't change the color of the uniform to "appeal more to kids". The reason kids want such things is because they resemble the ones in the show, wouldn't changing that just turn them off from it?
    • Your problem is that you're expecting the system to make sense. As Lauren said elsewhere, they were dealing with the irrational attitudes of toy store owners who might say, "I'll order 50, but I'll order 500 if you make it pink." The toy store owners don't care about the show, they have their own ideas about what little girls want to buy, don't bother them with the facts. (This is also why Applejack only comes with pink or blue hats, or none at all, not brown.)
    • The toy stores also have to consider selling to people who haven't seen the show - which might be most little girls as the show is on an obscure cable network.
      • Or can't afford the higher cable channels. Not sure why they don't bother going to YouTube like I have.
    • It's not just the toys. Pretty much everything Hasbro does outside of the show itself seems still to be stuck in the old mindset, judging by the overuse of certain pictures in magazines or printed on various merchandise. Speaking of the toys, one of the more (in)famous ones is Applejack with a **car**. And a cardboard cutout of Twilight Sparkle in the back, for some reason.
    • Also, if the purpose of the show is to sell the toys, shouldn't the characters in the show match their toys, even if that makes the show worse? And why did the toy store owners want Celestia to be pink, but not Rarity and Sweetie Belle, who are almost the same white? Finally, if they absolutely wanted pink ponies to sell, why didnt they just order lots and lots of Pinkie Pie?
      • Again, toy design is a completely different area from the development of a TV show. The TV show is the adaption of the toy line, even though Lauren Faust designed the characters, she worked on the TV show, not designing the toys. Who knows, maybe in her original development Celestia was going to be pink, and Hasbro designed the toys in that early development period. It could have been too late to change one toy's color, so they kept it. Either that or Executive Meddling, but Lauren refused to change Celestia in the TV show.
      • Indeed, there ARE lots and lots of Pinkie Pie. But yeah, the toy people and the show people work largely independently of each other, and if the toy people feel that some certain character would sell better with a different appearance, then they'll go with that.

  • Okay, this is a small thing, but it really bugs me. Let's take a look at Rainbow Dash's hair normally... Here, we can see that it's kept pretty short and kind of scruffy, which is fitting for a tomboy like her. But when she dressed up for the Gala, her hairstyle's different. Now, I don't mean Dash can't have a new hairstyle, but look at the green, blue, and purple portions! They look like they take up about three times the volume of her normal hairstyle. Now, I admit as a guy I'm not well versed in hair products, but I don't think anything can account for a change in volume like this.
    • Twilight gave Spike, Snips, and Snails moustaches. Rarity cut her tail and attached it to Steven Magnet's moustache, and it later grew back. The Great and Powerful Trixie turned Rarity's hair into some green, grassy thing. In short, magical hair care exists. A fairly small increase in the volume of Rainbow Dash's hair like that is well within the realm of possibility.
      • Not to mention that, lots of the time, when frizzy hair is straightened you can really see how much length it has. Personally, my own hair is curly and big, and seems short, but when I straighten it, you see it's actual length. Maybe Rainbow Dash straightened her mane?
      • It doesn't look that curly...
    • As an alternate theory, though a bit of WMG, Rainbow Dash may just use a lot of hair product like spray or gel to keep it up. When it's taken out, we see her actual hair length. Similar to Storm in her earlier X-Men comic appearances, where her hair will be very long when it's down. (of course, that may have just been to get by the censors in her shower scenes...)
    • Perhaps Rarity just gave her some extensions.

  • Why do so many fans seem intent on painting Celestia as a cruel ruler who holds Equestria in an iron hoof? So far, we've seen that Celestia is a bit of a prankster, but she's never done anything overly cruel or mean, and indeed seems to have been extremely calm and patient with the antics of the main characters. And while banishment for 1000 years is a bit extreme, it's less extreme than what could have happened considering that Nightmare Moon tried to make a night that lasted FOREVER.
    • Blame books like "The Giver" where the apparent utopia is supported by a heavy-handed autocratic government.
    • Perhaps because in real life, absolute power corrupts absolutely?
    • For one thing, she has a habit of causing trouble for the Mane cast whenever she has any part in the actual plot of an episode. Be it sending only two tickets or showing Fluttershy a Phoenix close to rebirth without considering how easily it would be to mistake it for a normal, sick bird. And Twilight's overblown fear of her in that episode certainly didn't help matters.
      • I see that she has a mischievous streak, but I never got anything mean-spirited out of it. Yeah, the ticket thing's hard to explain away, but with her phoenix she did say to Fluttershy that if she just asked about the bird Celestia would have mentioned that it was a phoenix. And for Twilight's fear, well, it's Twilight. The girl's prone to overreaction about damn near everything, and Celestia's like another parent to her. Thus, Twilight doesn't want to disappoint her.
      • The reason for only giving two tickets? Celestia assumed Twilight & Spike would go to the gala, not that Twilight would feel compelled to bring one of the other ponies. (It's not like Celestia thought the GGG was something to get worked up over.)
      • The extra ticket could also have been intended for a date. This is actually pointed out in the first episode of the Mentally Advanced Series.
      • Since Celestia sends the extra tickets for everybody over right after Twilight writes back to her, I assume she had them ready and was just waiting for Twilight to figure things out by herself. Celestia seems to prefer the Socratic method of teaching...
      • She is sending invites to the whole of Equestria, after all. She probably has a huge pile of tickets to send to everyone, and her sending only two tickets to Twilight was merely an oversight, which she corrected as soon as it was brought to her attention.
      • There's also the fact that Twilight is pretty introverted and just a few episodes ago had insisted that she didn't need any friends. Celestia might not have realized that Twilight was already close enough to the others that she would want to invite all of them to the Gala.
      • One possible explanation: Celestia didn't actually write the first invitation herself — if you listen to it, its wording has all the earmarks of a form letter, not her usual style of writing to her favorite student at all — and only noticed there even was a problem after Twilight wrote back returning the tickets.
      • Very Important Ponies have social secretaries. The princess approves of a guest-list, she doesn't write hundreds of invitations for a public function.
    • Are you sure they're actually intent on painting her that way? They seem to mostly think it's funny, specifically because it's not true.
      • It's really a meme. See Molestia and Trollestia.
      • Yes it's a meme, but this troper always thought it was an interesting interpretation of some of the things she's done, as already mentioned above, but the memes are more for humor and not what people actually think. Clearly, the princess doesn't go around being a cruel despot, but it's still funny to imagine her that way.
    • One possible explanation has to do with the postmodern perspective on heroes inculcated by works such as Watchmen or The Dark Knight Returns. It seems that these works, and the avalanche of clones and wanna-bes they inspired, have influenced many members of the subsequent generation not only to look for their heroes to have feet of clay, but to prefer them to—after all, "perfect" heroes aren't "realistic". They're "boring". Given that Celestia is presented as the next-best thing to saccharine perfection over the course of the series, it is thus a natural reaction on the part of some fans to go to the other extreme and conclude she must have some deep, dark, unsavory secrets—if only because they want her to.

  • Am I the only one bothered by the lack of good recurring MALE characters? I mean, sure, you could argue that more female characters=more relatable to the show's target demographic, but (as of Episode 19, which is what I've watched to) we have:
    • One-off antagonists or semi-antagonists (Rainbow Dash's childhood bullies, the Diamond Dogs)
    • Spike, whose competence varies between episodes.
    • Ensemble Darkhorses like Big Macintosh or Dr. Whoof (Honestly, Big Mac is my favorite male character so far—mainly because he reminds me of Clay—in what few scenes he gets.)
    • Snips and Snails, which...well, they're like Bulk and Skull, only more annoying.
    • and that's pretty much it. Just...what the hell? I'm not asking for the characters to talk about boys all the time, because I'm well aware that would ruin the show—but a good male character who gets more than just a few good scenes wouldn't be a bad thing either. Or hell, more than one.
      • Spike is a pretty major character, and he's hardly more incompetent than the rest of the cast.
      • All the same, he's still a different species from the rest of the cast, and is a baby on top of that— he's clearly not on equal standing with his peers. I think what the original poster wanted (which I happen to agree with wholeheartedly) is a recurring male who's not: A.) a Jerkass and/or antagonist (Dash's bullies, Diamond Dogs, Prince Blueblood), B.) an "annoying little brother"-type (eg., Spike), C.) a quiet or silent piece of movable scenery (Big Mac, the Doctor), or D.) an utter waste of space (Snips and Snails). I'd call it a legitimate concern, not just in the sense of feeling alienated by the lack of notable males (what with being one, and all that), but also because the current ratio may undermine Ms. Faust's original plan for the show to have a progressive spin on gender relations. As it is now, there's a possibility that the show could end up reinforcing the notion of "boys are icky!" for the target audience.
      • Well, we do have the Wonderbolts (two are male), who one member of the mane cast looks up to and idolizes. On top of that, Big Macintosh has proven himself to be a perfectly respectable supporting character; he has a pretty big colt following and he's shown signs of being Closer to Earth than his little sister.
      • And now we have Shining Armor. He may have a role in the third season, if his and Cadance's Crystal Fashion Style box is anything to go by about them ruling the Crystal Empire/Kingdom together.
    • The show's creators have embraced the Periphery Demographic, what with the shout-out to bronies in the Equestria Girls promo, and including Derpy in storyboards. Perhaps we'll see more good male characters in season 2 - or at least, giving the existing Big Macintosh a bigger role.
    • You say that like there aren't a ton of series without any good reoccurring female characters.
      • Do you mean males?
      • That's bad too, and it desperately needs to be fixed. However, two wrongs don't make a right. Personally, having just one decent male character with some kind of recurring role (but NOT a main role) would be sufficient.
      • Two wrongs don't make a right, but there's no wrong in making a show focusing on females. There's also no wrong in making a show focusing on males—but there is wrong in making ALL THE SHOWS focus on males, just as it would be wrong if every show on TV was about females. FIM is merely helping to correct the balance. There's room along the whole female-oriented side of the spectrum for more shows with differing gender balances, and FIM doesn't have to cover it all by itself.
      • In any case, most of the modern boys' shows I can name have at least one (though admittedly sometimes only one) recurring female character (The Fairly OddParents has Wanda, SpongeBob SquarePants has Sandy, Avatar: The Last Airbender was packed to the gills with them, etc.). That said, I don't really think more than one main male character suits the show, given that it's supposed to focus on girls' friendships; would Stand by Me have been improved by adding a girl or two to the main cast? Probably not. However, I think Big Mac deserves at least A Day in the Limelight.
      • Wanda's the only recurring female character in Fairly OddParents? Telephone for you - it's Vicky.
    • Faust did want more male characters, but it's one of the few things Hasbro didnt allow. I'd like to think however, that the gender ultimately doesn't matter that much anyway. Any of the mane six could be a boy (colt?) and would still be the same character.
      • Except that reaction to them would be much much different. If Rarity were male, he'd be seen as a flaming homosexual and Moral Guardians would scream about a gay character in a show targeted at kids. If Fluttershy were male, he wouldn't be "Cute", he'd be seen as annoying and bratty. And likewise, Applejack as a male would be seen as a "Walking Stereotype", even though Applejack is a Walking Stereotype enough as is. Rainbow Dash as a male would be seen as a musclehead, and Pinkie Pie would have been seen as annoying or like Rarity, a flaming homosexual.
      • Isn't one of the intents of the show though to break the boundaries of 'show for girls, show for boys/girly characters, boyish characters'? Wouldn't having a male equivalent that displayed as much range of personality and such as the females while having the quirks reinforce the notion that you can be awesome/gender doesn't make a difference. That it's okay for some girls to be athletes or bookworms and okay for boys to like fashion or non-violence? Excluding males to a fault can possibly end up marginalizing and promoting the division of gender or reverse the situation to "males gotta stay in the toolshed while women can do whatever they want".

  • Just how did this show get so popular with men? Simple curiosity is my reason for asking, because I have this one friend who talks about only this almost any time he does something on DA now.
    • The same reason it's popular with women (and yes it is; a lot of the artists that get onto ponibooru are female, like Madmax). Because it's a girl's show with actual effort and interesting characters.
    • There are many reasons, but the main ones are likely to be related to how the show can appeal to everyone, and how quickly the online community is growing. It's much easier to admit liking the series when you're told 'Welcome to the herd!' instead of the usual 'Please grow up, you're an embarrassment', even more so when gender is taken into account. An older men can watch MLP, then point out he's not the only one by far once caught, how often does such an opportunity arise?
    • It may have to do with 'tough' guys embracing that 'girly' side they didn't know they had and not be shamed for it.
      • Straight male bronies (like myself) have internalized the belief that Real Men Wear Pink.
      • Once rainbows start making mushroom clouds, they're no longer "girly". At that point everyone has something to enjoy.

  • A meta-example, but is it me or do a lot of FiM fans do not realize the design differences between the generations? I've seen a lot of people look at Glory in the Generation 1 intro, and think it was Rarity. Rarity was a pink furred, rainbow maned character until recently; and she was introduced in generation 3.
    • Oh they recognize it, all right (why do you think every time they see anything Gen 3 they start screaming "kill it with fire"?). They just have the mistaken belief that G4 Rarity was based on Glory - to be fair, they do look a lot alike - instead of her actual inspiration, Sparkler. Honestly, I thought the same thing until I saw Lauren's drawings of the G1 ponies.

  • Why didn't Rarity and Fluttershy change from their concept looks? They look nothing like Rarity and Fluttershy. All the other Ponies had their designs changed. By that logic, they could have left the other two alone. Was it a copyright issue? I thought it was names only.
    • Hasbro lost all the G1 names and designs except for Applejack, but G3 names and designs could be used.
      • Those are G1 designs. They reused the G1 designs for Sparkler and Posey. All they did was change Sparkler to white and remove her highlight, and they changed Posey's Cutie Mark.
    • They did change. Fluttershy's Cutie Mark is different and Rarity's hair color changed from one similar to Twilight Sparkle's to just full on purple.

  • Similar to a question I asked above. why do some people accuse the Cutie Mark Crusaders of being a Spotlight-Stealing Squad? they only had four episodes out of twenty-six devoted to them. plus, "Call of the Cutie" was focused on Apple Bloom specifically, the spotlight was shared with Fluttershy in "Stare Master" and they where pretty much just a framing device in "the Cutie Mark Chronicles".
    • Probably because even two episodes on the CMC was too much for those kind of people. Plus there was the two episode streak that unnerved them further.
    • follow-up question. the other characters understand the CMC's obsession with getting cutie marks, why can't the audience?
    • Because Spotlight-Stealing Squad is something negative so people will use (misuse) to complain about characters who they don't like.
    • but like I said, they are not really a Spotlight-Stealing Squad.
      • Exactly my point.
    • Well, as of Season 2, they're pretty much a Spotlight-Stealing Squad. As of right now, together they have more focus episodes then any of the Mane Six (though Rainbow Dash & Rarity are close). In fact this increase seems to put Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, & even Twilight on the verge of being Out of Focus.

  • ...Wait. Lauren Faust left? Whut? I'M SO CONFUSED.
    • Yup. She did. She left right after the scripting phase of Season 2 was done. We'll probably never know the real reason, but she and Jayson Thiessen both implied that she burned herself out. We learned in November 2011 that story editor Rob Renzetti and a couple of the other writers left at the same time Lauren did. Cynical fans have speculated that maybe Hasbro tried to do what they've always done with this franchise. But Lauren has insisted that wasn't the case.
      • In various EQD interviews, it definitely seems like more fatigue as opposed to direct Executive Meddling (at least, of the bad type to alter her vision of the show). Someone between Hasbro and Studio B decided that it would best to start Season 2 immediately after "finishing" Season 1 to avoid animation employee turnover or reassignment to other projects to maintain the quality of the show. But this meant the writing staff had to script out those episodes pretty much immediately after finishing Season 1. Thiessen has stated that at one point, between Faust's writing team and his own studio, they were working simultaneously on 32 episodes of the show at various stages. That's definitely burnout that Faust has hinted at.

  • In the original idea, with the original G1 Ponies, was Spike supposed to be Purple like the G3 Spike or Pink like the original?
    • Seeing as how Hasbro made Faust use the names of G3 ponies rather than Suspiciously Similar Substitutes of the G1 characters, they probably also made her use Spike's G3 design so as to not confuse the kids who already had a Spike toy. Or maybe Lil' Lauren's TV had low-quality colors (this IS an '80s TV we're talking about here) and she had always seen Spike as purple.

  • So, according to Faust, Hasbro lost the rights to all of the G1 ponies except for Applejack. This brings up several questions:

  • Why are fans getting upset about the possible inclusion of a third alicorn, Princess Cadance? It's not like the show ever indicated that Celestia and Luna were the only alicorns.
    • Lauren Faust said that she intended Celestia and Luna to be the only alicorns. Since she's only Word of Dante now, some people think the staff is taking the show "off course", or indicates the show is becoming Merchandise-Driven more than it is.
    • In part it's probably the common "alicorn = goddess" meme; religion, whether real or fictional, is usually Serious Business. More seriously, though, before the end of season 2 the only alicorns we had were the royal princesses of the day and night respectively; that arguably contributed to the perception that between them the sisters already ruled every aspect of Equestria (and possibly the world), with no real niches for any more 'real' alicorns left or needed, and thus for Cadence to be an alicorn as well Celestia and Luna had to be kind of implicitly demoted to somewhat less 'cosmic' status than the fans had gotten used to taking for granted. (In lights of this, Celestia losing her fight against Chrysalis right in these very episodes may not exactly be a coincidence.) No wonder there was backlash.
    • Apparently it was due to merchandise-driven [[Executive Meddling]], but not in the way you might think. Originally, Hasbro put a pink Princess Celestia toy out as toy companies demanded the line be 'pinker' overall. Princess Cadence was meant to be a unicorn. But Hasbro decided to make Cadence an Alicorn so that they could alter the pink Princess Celestia toy currently in production and sell it as Princess Cadence. Their 'pink' quota filled, they could then make a white princess Celestia toy that was truer to the show.

  • Why is the toy line using characters like "Lily Blossom" or "Cupcake" (Brrr...) instead of other supporting characters from the show?
    • Don't know why, but it's not the only Hasbro property to do so, and in both directions.
    • Jayson Thiessen mentioned in an interview that Hasbro's toy division and media division rarely talk to each other, and the Executive Meddling usually only happens during scripting (which is when locations and character appearances are set). Everything else is pretty much left up to Studio B. Hasbro's toy people probably aren't even aware of most of the background characters, let alone their popularity with fans.

  • Why are there no male alicorns?
    • We've only seen 5, not counting animation errors.
      • There's Celestia, Luna, Cadence, and Twilight...Who's number 5?
      • Hearts and Hooves Day Love Poison victim.
    • At least not outside of fandom where nearly every single OC is a winged unicorn. (I refuse to refer to them as "Alicorn")
      • That is the in-universe term.
    • Not in the show, but a licensed French MLP book featured an alicorn colt, Léon.

  • How can Derpy be a "role model" for mentally challenged people when her speaking time is more or less fifteen seconds, and otherwise she's just drawn in the background?
    • Not to mention, I've heard people say that Derpy is a role model showing that even mentally challenged people can find a place in society and be a functioning member. Yet Derpy's role is pretty much as a Living Prop most of the time, and when she does speak, she's shown as constantly screwing up. Unfortunate Implications?
    • We're talking about a character created by fans. Only those that know about her are going to cite her as a Role Model, and seeing how cheerful she is in fanart and fanfiction does give hope do those with disabilities. Not to mention she has a job in canon (delivering pianos and anvils and the like in Feeling Pinkie Keen), giving those who know her character the faith that they, too, can find a job. Plus there's Dinky, showing that you can find love and be a good parent (which MANY with mental disabilities find difficult, or have those without disabilities tell them they can't do).
      • The job may be canon, but Derpy being a parent isn't. I think most of the qualities that cause her to be seen as a role model were created by fans.
      • (different troper here) I'm not really convinced - because seeing her as a role model kind of requires you to see stuff that may not be readily available. So many is just Lost in Translation.
    • I'm honestly convinced that the "Role Model" argument is just an excuse to gloss over the fact that Derpy was originally conceived as a retard joke made by 4chan at a time when no one knew that the show would take off as it did. Had she been discovered later, she wouldn't have such Unfortunate Implications surrounding her. That being said, Derpy is a terrible example for a "role model" for the disabled since there's still a huge stigma against the mentally handicapped. To paraphrase Tropic Thunder, "You don't go full retard". Such a character requires far more then a minute and a half to explain themselves properly, otherwise people will get the wrong idea and... well we all know what happened.

  • Look I think it's great that a show can have a Periphery Fandom, and that people can look past a show being too fit for the opposite gender, but I just have to say as an outsider, just how on earth did this show get the massive Periphery Fandom it has? Most of my male friends on Deviant ART are in love with this show, and I haven't met a single girl who's admitted to watching it. I don't think it's bad, just confusing and I'd like an answer is all. On top of that, this show is relatively new, and it's already skyrocketing! And it has its own Ensemble Dark Horse page, which having so many kind of goes against the spirit of the trope (in which one or few characters are singled out as favorites).
    • There are plenty of adult female fans. They're just not usually as vocal (and remember the old outdated rule that There Are No Girls on the Internet). Examples off the top of my head: one of the three admins of Equestria Daily (Phoe) is a girl. Also, several of the fanartists (Madmax, most notably), the creator of Friendship is Witchcraft (Jenny Nicholson), and more than a few of random internet commenters and cosplayers. Plus, this troper has personally converted some girls to bronydom.
    • The show has so many Ensemble Darkhorses because a lot of background characters who get few or no lines end up getting fan followings, which is why they're considered darkhorses. As to why the show's fandom is so huge... There are a ton of factors that could be the reason, and it's likely a combination of them all. For one, nobody expected the show to be any good. So when it turned out to actually be good, people really took off with it. There's the matter of the Girl-Show Ghetto: Friendship is Magic is extremely rare in that it averts it. Some people also have the theory that a lot of bronies wanted to be into girly stuff like FIM when they were younger but were pushed away from it, and as a result they really latch onto the show, but I don't know if that theory holds much water. Another might be big potential for fan art, it's a hell of a lot of fun to draw different characters from other media (or even yourself!) as ponies. Mostly, though, the show is just really, really good, and internet communities love getting together over TV shows they love.

  • How do the toys work? With other generations it was Toys —> Cartoon. But with this gen it seems to be Cartoon —> Toys, since Lauren made the concept as a cartoon rather then they took a bunch of ponies from the toyline and put them into a carton.
    • Basically, the toys don't really have to do with the show, the toy designers just take a glance (very very short glance) at the early character designs and trust the popularity of the name is enough to sell it, even if the toys will not resemble the characters from the show.
  • Why do so many fanfic writers refer to Celestia and Luna as alicorns? An alicorn is the technical name for a unicorn's horn. And to top it off, in the show's pilot, the narrator refers to the two as unicorns.
    • Alicorn is both the word for the horn of the unicorn AND the name of the winged unicorns/horned pegasus. Source
    • The Other Wiki currently credits Piers Anthony with the first verifiable use of the term. (It also suggests the more straightforward derivation "alacorn" from Latin "ala", wing, and "cornus", horn, as a possible alternative among others for the more technical-minded among us.) In any case, language evolves; the fandom may for all we know establish "alicorn" as a proper term for winged unicorns in the public mind yet, if it isn't there already.
    • Alicorn is the material that makes up a unicorn's horn. An alicorn is either a winged unicorn (or unipeg, in previous MLP fandom parlance, or Pegasus Unicorn from some official FiM information) or nothing. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Alicorn was the third most commonly used term for winged unicorn outside of the MLP fandom before FiM (after winged unicorn and pegasus), though I'm not sure about how long it took after the Piers Anthony book was released to become that popular (weeks? years?).
    • The royals aren't just unicorns with wings; they also have Earth Pony powers.
  • Why do artists depict younger Celestia with pink hair instead of the multiple colors she usually has?
    • If you look at the pictures of Celestia in the Exposition at the beginning of the first episode, she has pinkish hair there. Most people assume that's how she looked in her "filly" form (like the one Luna has as of ep. 2), since her usual appearance looks more like on par with Nightmare Moon.

  • Why's Ditzy so often depicted as being... Eh... Mentally challenged, so to speak. Or at least having a speech problem. I'm fine with the depiction, especially in Dark Fic's, but it seems a bit odd. I've pictured her as being eccentric and The Ditz, but I don't get the speech thing. Where'd it originate from?
    • Muffiiiiiiiiins.....
    • Fans thinking of why her eyes go all wonky at times. Didn't help that it got slightly reinforced when she accidentally dropped a load of cargo on Twilight later in the series.
    • There isn't another Mentally challenged pony for the fanfic writers to play with, so Derpy (aka Ditzy) takes that role.
    • Her actions in "Winter Wrap Up", "Feeling Pinkie Keen", and "Luna Eclipsed" kinda reinforce it.
      • What actions in "Winter Wrap Up"? It's fanon that the name "Ditzy Doo" refers to her — we never see for certain who that pony is, and the most likely candidate in the episode (the Pegasus we see returning with the southern birds in the montage) is distinctly not Derpy.
      • Word of God says that the character fans called Derpy Hooves was originally named Ditzy Doo all along, even in the original The Last Roundup script. They changed it to "Derpy" for her speaking appearance at the last minute just for the bronies, but took it out because Urban Dictionary defined Derpy as "mentally retarded". So, yes, Ditzy Doo is Derpy Hooves.

  • Why do people insist Rainbow Dash is a lesbian? I've heard it's because of her voice being hoarse and a little low. So someone like Cree Summer is a lesbian automatically? She likes to run and do sports. Fine, that means that every girl who has ever like to run track or do sports is automatically a lesbian, and a butch lesbian if she has a hoarse voice like Dash's. Her rainbow motif? Pretty much every little girl in the world must also be a lesbian! Then again, there's also the fact that there are loads of fans who think Het is Ew, and will ship anything with the same sex because it's "hot". But that's not an explanation, it's an excuse.
    • While I agree with the majority of this, it's worth noting that the extremely skewed female-to-male ratio on this show pretty much makes the majority of ships being Female/Female an inevitability, regardless of other factors. It's hard to cry Het is Ew too heavily on the fanbase when six-sevenths of the Mane Cast are female, and the number of likeable male side characters numbers maybe four at most. Yes, it is highly annoying to see Rainbow Dash be pigeonholed as a lesbian for superficial and stereotypical reasons, but shipping her with other female characters is not always motivated by such, any more than shipping Fluttershy with other females is.
      • Yeah but that's still an excuse. You don't HAVE to ship the ponies. It's all Het is Ew and Girl on Girl Is Hot. And my point was that it's ALWAYS Dash who is drawn incredibly butch, complete with, as my friend put it, a "Hollywood dyke cut". They never draw the others even REMOTELY as butch. I got seriously yelled at for asking why Bon Bon and Lyra Heartstrings are a lesbian couple when I can only recall them being together in the same screen twice.
      • Well... I can't speak for anyone else, but the brash, tie die wearing tom boy I knew in grade school is currently living with a girlfriend in San Jose, so...
      • But, moreover, she is a bit more than just a tomboy, she has a very male personality to her.
      • But really? Rule of Funny, Rule Of Hot.
      • Lauren Faust has spoken out against stereotyping Rainbow Dash as a lesbian. Not that people will give up Lesbian!Dash anyways.
      • As Faust says, not all tomboys are lesbian.
    • There is not nearly enough evidence to conclude that Dash is a lesbian. However, any fanfic that ships two of the mane six requires at least two of them two be lesbians. If it's a given that there's a one in three chance of Dash being a lesbian, then adding that she's a tomboy on top of that means that she probably is a lesbian.
    • While a lot of the things that are cited as 'proof' don't mean someone who has that trait is gay, it's the combination of those traits (athletic, low voice, rainbow mane and tail) but adding them all up proves too much for those already looking for lesbian romances. Plus, once you know that the gay community uses the rainbow as a sort of symbol, it's rather hard to unsee, and not make the connection unintentionally. This Troper sometimes giggles at the little girl's shirts with rainbows on them.

  • Talking about Rainbow Dash, why is it that seemingly in every other fanfic or fan art she shows up in she's losing her wings, or being mutilated for life, or going insane and murdering Pinkie Pie or Scootaloo? Heck, on Equestria Daily someone even wrote a fanfic about it in which they had Dash herself complain about it to Twilight! "Why do they hate me, Twi? Am I simply not awesome enough for them?" Why the ferocious rainbow pegasus hate?
    • These fanfics aren't that common, they tend to be buried in negative feedback anyways. A large part of the community enjoys the Mane Six because of their depth of personality, as every single one of them has been broken in a way over time. For the aspiring author, Dash losing her wings serves as an easy plot device since she relies so much on them, mental breakdown is almost guaranteed to happen. It really isn't about 'hatred' towards the character, more of an easy way out of actually having to break the character mentally.
    • If anything, Dash losing her wings has itself become hated, because it's been overused to the point of becoming a cliche. It doesn't help that it's mostly been used as a premise for shipping, usually with whoever she has to stay with while she recovers (if she recovers; not all writers are that kind).

  • In the Season theme song, about 9 seconds in, look on the train, in the cake car, there's Derpy, but underneath... is that... Madame Foster???
    • No, that's just an old, balding, white pony with pointy ears. In fact, it seems to be an elderly male pony, judging by what seems to be a full-body appearance in the Mare-Do-Well episode.

  • This is something that bugs me about the fanon and fan-work surrounding Derpy Hooves. A lot of it seems to assume that Derpy is mocked and teased and otherwise mistreated by other ponies. Now, don't get me wrong, some of this fan-work is very good, but it does strike me as odd, because the residents of Ponyville don't strike me as cruel or unkind. Far from it, in fact: think about how many residents of the town were willing to drop everything on short notice to attend a party to welcome Twilight Sparkle to their community (a party, lest we forget, to which Derpy was invited). So why the fanon assumption that Derpy is mocked and mistreated by other ponies?
    • The Ponyvillians have shown themselves capable of being prejudiced. Zecora is a prime example of this. Plus, there are jerks like Rainbow Dash's bullies, so, it's not unlikely she'd get crap from at least some ponies. How much crap she gets varies from work to work (ranging from a few jerks to constantly being taunted), because even in that second comic, the crowd scene is stated by the author to be more POV than reality.
    • True, but remember that by the time of "Luna Eclipsed," the mayor described Zecora as "our friend," and she was given charge of the town's children. And even the ponies that bullied Rainbow Dash seemed to have learned a lesson by the end of "Sonic Rainboom." So while they aren't perfect, the ponies of Equestria in general, and of Ponyville in specific, seem generally to be good-hearted equines who are able to learn their lesson when they do go wrong. Ponyville just doesn't strike me as the kind of place where somepony would throw a rock through another pony's window just because she looks odd.
    • A lot of fanart this troper's seen has 'Derpy' being a kind of teasing nickname, but just meant in fun, a little worse than 'Clumsy', and the ponies doing this don't view it as bad because Derpy just smiles and goes along with her day (like how Dash doesn't show her friends when she's worried about the flying competition, or depressed about Mare-Do-Well) so everypony assumes everything is fine and she's ok with the nickname. If it's the fillies teasing Dinky about her mom, it's probably Kids Are Cruel.

  • I'm just curious, how come when I looked this page up with your search feature the image next to it was a photo of some creepy man who judging by his shirt style might be from Star Trek?
    • I'm not sure how the image system works, but the (tenuous) connection seems to be that Q was played by John de Lancie, who went on to voice Discord.
      • So why is he the page thumbnail? He's not on the page.
      • *shrug* Probably just a glitch.
      • Obviously Discord did it specifically to make you ask that question!
      • Someone probably posted a link to that image in the page

  • Why does everyone keep depicting Pinkie Pie's hair as straightening out/poofing up so commonly? In the show it only happened when she was well past the Despair Event Horizon, but in fanfiction it happens whenever anything remotely serious.

  • Just what is the correct way to depict a pony's size when doing a crossover involving humans or human-sized beings in fanfiction? Do you depict ponies as small in such a way that Princess Celestia is only as tall as an ordinary horse (by considering the proportions)? Or is it like in the old cartoon, with this size proportion? Had a little discussion on the matter here.
    • The Hearth's Warming Eve episode has a quick...thing, in the cold open: Twilight suggests listing off interesting or eye-catching sights as they walk through Canterlot from the train station, and Twilight's is referred to as "an 8-foot candy cane", which Scootaloo is stuck to by her tongue. Long story short, adult-size ponies like Twilight and her friends are about 4-ish feet tall.
    • If you consider the size of an apple in Equestria the same as an apple on Earth, then the ponies are about 1.5 feet tall.
      • Personally, I assume them to be about the size of a mid-range real world pony: Roughly four and a half feet at the withers, or about five feet at the crown of the head.
  • Why does Lauren want the ponies to act like real ponies? I like showing my work too, but I'm pretty sure real horses don't magically grow this tattoo thing on their butts when they do something special. Speaking of which, why can't Lauren change it so that the cutie marks get painted on, like a tattoo, just to make it a tad bit more believable?
    • Well, the ponies are basically normal horses + sapience + magic, so they might as well get the first part right. It's probably also to stave off the Anthropomorphic Shift that happened in the G1 cartoon, eventually sweeping away the fantasy elements. As for your second complaint, well, it's magic. You might as well say that normal ponies don't grow wings, so the pegasi should fly with hang-gliders.
    • Yet winged ponies and ponies that can use magic is okay?
    • We are talking about ponies who already can talk, live in houses, and have jobs just like humans do. The series arguably needs the Furry Reminders to keep the idea that they are, in fact, supposed to be ponies after all fresh in its viewers' minds.

  • This is about the toyline... Why does Cherilee get a lot of attention in the toyline? She isn't even a main character, shoot, she's not even related to a main character and has only had a couple appearances and speaking lines. I know that the producers of the show and the makers of the toys don't really talk to each other much, but it's just really out of place. Most of the toys are either based on main characters or are original designs, usually recolors of the main characters. So Cherilee having a toy is just really, really random. Did somebody in charge of the toyline really like her?
    • First of all, she's pink, a color that's known to market to girls, enough to actually change Celestia's color (If it really was a mistake, it would had been fixed, it wasn't), so she was likely seen as the character most likely to sell. Second, her role is still more developed than most characters, definitely more than background ponies. They have to appeal to customers that knows the show enough to ask for a specific character, and to customers that don't know anything about it. Cheerilee was seen as a combination of both, so she was chosen.
      • I guess that makes sense. Plus, on further inspection, Cherilee had a bigger role in the previous few generations. I guess they figured it was appropriate for her to appear in the FIM toyline since she was in the previous ones so much.
    • Per Faust, they were asked specificly to include a pony named Cheerilee in the show becuase Hasbro saw her as a popular holdover from older generations.

  • Another question about the toy line... I get that Celestia was made pink due to pressure from retailers who thought a pink toy would sell better. Okay, fine. But on the packages for the toys, there are pictures of the TV show versions of the character. And on the package for Celestia's toy, she's still white even though the toy is pink! What's with that?

  • What's up with Lily Blossom? All other non-character pony toys' designs are just recolors of the Mane 6... EXCEPT Lily Blossom. She has her own unique design, and now she has her own McDonald's toy. Is she going to appear in the show or something, or does Hasbro just like her?
    • There are other non-character pony toys with their own designs, like Rainbow Flash and Daisy Dreams. As for the McDonald's toy, they probably didn't want the second set of Happy Meal toys to be too similar to the first set. Lily Blossom may have been picked at random, though it is possible that someone with the show or the main toy line liked her.
    • From what I have noticed, if a non-main character shows up in a blind bag first, then he or she will be a Palette Swap. If a non-main character shows up in one of those three-figurine packages first, then he or she will have a unique character design. Lotus Blossom first appeared in the Spa Pony Set, a three-figurine package. Thus, she has a design more accurate to the show. Of course, I only started observing the merchandise well after the third season ended, so I could be wrong. (And for the record, the show-accurate Lotus Blossom has appeared in the neon-themed blind bag set which came out July 2013.)

  • How is Rainbow Dash mistaken for a guy? (And yes, I'm genuinely curious here.) She has pretty prominent eyelashes, is constantly referred to as "she," and doesn't really sound like a male. Sure, she's tomboyish enough that her behavior wouldn't be out of place for a typical shonen hero, but that's the only reason I can think of that'd make people think she's a stallion.
    • Most people who were confused seem to have only been confused for the first few episodes, before it became obvious what female ponies looked like and what male ponies looked like.
    • In addition to her obvious focus on such by default "masculine" interests as speed and stunt flying, her color probably has something to do with it as well.

  • Would they ever do an Art Shift episode, say giving it the animation style of (for example) Regular Show, Archer or The Pink Panther or would that fail to work with the show's target demographic? Mind you, it is Something Completely Different I suppose for the show..
    • I doubt they'd ever make an entire episode like that, but they have shown a willingness to do occasional shifts for the sake of a gag. See Pinkie's Felt thoughts in "A Friend In Deed" and the G3 Pinkie face from "Too Many Pinkie Pies". They could easily have a scene making some sort of reference.
  • What... just what... is the deal with the Gak? Just... what? Why? How?
    • If you're referring to all the fanart and memes and stuff, it's because during the livestream of the season 3 premiere, there were over a dozen commercial for GAK airing during the breaks, sometimes 2 or 3 times in a row. The fandom thought it was amusing and jumped on it.
    • Much like Magneighto.
  • Anyone else know people having a form of Continuity Lockout because the Fanon invented so many characters' personalities and reference lingo that the show never really mentions?
    • Not really. Then again, the fanon did say that Fluttershy, if she was a human, would have huge breasts and a sweater that contribute to her shyness. Come Equestria Girls, she's a total pettanko (don't know the spelling) in a sleeveless shirt. I guess sometimes the writers can see what we've made, but will often avoid those for reasons.
      • For legal reasons, creative personnel are required to ignore any fan-made material. It's to prevent potential lawsuits from fans accusing the people behind the TV show/movie/novel/music/whatever else of idea theft if a future work comes a bit too close to fan material. This way, if it ever happens, they can claim it as coincidential. (Apparently though, Faust is allowed to see fanart, which is unusual—most other cases I've heard forbid fanart as well because fanart can plant ideas much like fanfiction can.) I imagine it must be difficult for the people who work on Friendship Is Magic as there's so much fan-made stuff, and hanging around with fans will cause inadvertent overhearing of these fanworks.
      • Faust isn't directly involved with the show anymore, so she can look at fan works. As for why Fluttershy didn't match her fanon humanization, it's largely because they gave them all the same body type, likely to avoid flame wars involved in giving the ponies canon body types.

  • Equestria Girls. Were they on drugs when they came up with this?
    • More likely, they were aware of an audience of preteen and teenage girls who liked the show but considered the pony toys childish (hey, even a lot of bronies think this, and they're typically old enough to understand that childish interests are nothing to be ashamed of). Incidentally, this is the same sort of audience that many fashion dolls (including recent fantasy-inspired ones like Monster High) appeal to. And look! A lot of fans seem to really enjoy envisioning anthropomorphized versions of the characters! It's not hard to put those three ideas together and come up with a concept roughly comparable to Equestria Girls.
      • First of all, "Equestria Girls" has been very well-received, especially by bronies. Second, if they DID use drugs, not only would it become incomprehensible, it would also get the staff laid off. This isn't "Just Bugs Me" anymore.
      • Well-received by bronies? The hundreds of hate-letters my cousin and her husband get by mistake shaming them for writing Equestria Girls or "Killing Derpy" beg to differ. (Bonus Fan Dumb points because a) those letters are intended for my cousin's sister in law and b) said sister-in-law is no longer writing for MLP... I assume the amount of hate-mail she got just because of that Derpy episode may have contributed. You can probably guess who she is and no, I will NOT give you her email address or her physical address...)
      • Ah well, to each his own. *continues watching Equestria Girls despite the whining*
    • Yes. They were. They were high off of the money. They knew they could sell more toys. Too bad that the toy stores I've been to as well as the various stores I've done work for pretty much have them shuffled in the back where you have to be consciously looking for them.
      • You do know that saying that you personally noticing the toys of the movie weren't selling in the places that you have visited out of the millions of toy stores in the world doesn't exactly equal to how everyone in the whole world feels about the whole thing. It's like saying because everyone I talked to says that the very first Star Wars movie sucks, Star Wars sucks for everyone in the entire world. Besides it isn't the first time, the toys Hasbro is trying to sell is considered inferior to what is being advertised on screen. Remember Pink Celestia.
      • Different person here - Maybe whoever posted that lives where I do where some stores have actually put them on clearance just because they're not selling.

  • Anybody else notice a huge Irony involving bronies who burn their bridges with their old friends and start ignoring them because they don't share that interest with them? Whatever happened to "Love and Tolerance" or "Friendship is Magic"? Hypocritical Fandom at its finest...
    • Well, it's kind of an exaggerated take on the lesson in Griffon The Brush Off.
    • Why would you want to be friends with someone who calls Bronies (and by extension, yourself) names ("autistic manchild" is rather popular) and shames you for liking a TV show?
      • You are Completely Missing the Point - the person commenting wasn't talking about Bronies being pushed away by their old friends... they were talking about the reverse. And mind you, I've been with bronies enough to see them giving their non-brony friends the cold shoulder. I think thats the Hypocritical Fandom.
      • I was referred to as an "Autistic Manchild" by bronies because I liked Pokémon... So why would I want to be friends with bronies? No, just the hypocritical bronies I refer to as BRINOs - BRony In Name Only.

  • The above-mentioned "Love and Tolerance" maxim and fans being called on it. Don't get me wrong: if reactions to Cadance, Twilicorn or Equestria Girls are any indication, a lot of bronies still dismiss some ideas as bad because of how girly or merchandise driven those seem. So, Hypocritical Fandom indeed. And it is certainly sad to see anyone, including oneself, being rude or prejudiced or mean-spirited or whatever. Still, I have been watching a cartoon for the quality of its animation, voice acting, music, characterization and humor. I did not sign up to any philosophical current! And besides, wasn't the idea to "love and tolerate the shit out of you" originally a forum battle cry, probably inspired by the Holy Hand Grenade tendencies of the show?
    • When the fandom starts preaching about something like The Power of Friendship, you'd sort of want some people to well, follow it.
    • If it makes you feel any better, it' far from exclusive to this fanbase - Back when Headscratchers was called "It Just Bugs Me", there were a multitude of similar posts. Eg, "Why do fans of Sailor Moon or Magical Girl shows act casually sexist?", "Why do followers of a religious/political school of thought that promotes equality for all act casually sexist/racist/homophobic?", "Why do followers of artistic/literary/philosophical movement ignore all the stuff the movement was founded on whenever it inconveniences them?" I'll keep the political and religious stuff quiet, but if we had TV Tropes and Twitter in the 19th and 20th century I guarantee you there'd be people saying "Why do fans of Thoreau love to talk about how he is such a wiseman, yet happily support slavery?", "Why do fans of Nietzsche act so unaware of reality?", and if we had it in the 60s, there'd be people saying "Why do hippies talk about world peace and hugs for everyone, yet act casually sexist/racist/homophobic?"

  • I was wondering why some people (like on the Alternate Character Interpretation page) think that modern Equestria is just like it was back in the days before it was founded. Specifically, thinking that pony society is racist and that unicorns are given a higher social status than pegasi, who are seen as superior to the poor Earth ponies in turn. That's kind of missing the whole point of the Hearth's Warming Eve story, which was saying what things USED to be like before the three types of ponies united to form Equestria, and that because they made friends with each other, modern Equestria isn't divided into a racist caste system like that. That's also like assuming that the British Empire is still around or that Americans still own slaves because those things happened in the past. Not to mention not all unicorns are Canterlot snobs like Jet Set and Upper Crust, nor are all Earth ponies common farmers like Applejack. There are several Earth ponies in the series who are in positions of authority and respect, such as Cheerilee and the Mayor, and Hoity Toity and Photo Finish are both Earth ponies as well, along with the infamously snobby Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon. Unicorns and pegasi may have abilities that Earth ponies don't (and possibly vice-versa in regards to farming abilities) but that doesn't mean that pony society necessarily treats Earth ponies as inferior simply because they can't fly or use magic.
    • Some people just have nothing better to do.
    • Playing the Devil's Advocate here, I guess they find it a bit hard to believe that the two other races don't look down on earth ponies at least a little, since what we've seen so far indicates that unicorns and pegasi can each do things that earth ponies can't, plus everything that earth ponies can. It's admittedly a bit harder to justify any kind of unicorn-pegasus hierarchy, but Magical Mystery Cure did indicate that unicorns do have the raw ability to manipulate weather - just not the experience.
    • There may be lingering feelings of disdain among the elite, but it seems to be mostly isolated to small group; it's certainly not endemic to society as a whole like it was in the pre-HWE days. "Cutie Mark Chronicles" shows that there are high class Earth Ponies, they just don't live in Canterlot.
      • Indeed, Castle Mania episode even has all plate armours, obvious symbol of power and nobility, have covers for horns. None of them have openings for wings, suggesting knighthood was reserved for only one pony kind.
      • Which might have been true... a thousand years ago when Celestia and Luna actually lived there. Not to mention that even then it seems that those suits of armor were sitting around for decoration rather than for practical use; it's entirely possible that they were outdated even a thousand years ago and Celestia and Luna just had them there for decoration.
    • I don't mean to sound like I'm insulting anyone (As I am guilty of this too, but one big part of Alternate Character Interpretation is oftentimes just ignoring any kind of evidence that runs contrary to your interpretation.
      • I would say that both sides ignore evidence, but the side worse about it is the one that ignores all references to Equestrian military, wars, and the inequality - because as bad as Iron Hoofers are, they at least don't ignore everything out of hand.
    • There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of evidence suggesting that things have changed a great deal since then. Canterlot is clearly the capital and it's primarily inhabited by unicorns. A few highly ranked and important Earth Ponies doesn't change anything, there were fairly important free blacks in America prior to the Civil War. The fact that the armor seems to have been made for Earth Ponies doesn't by necessity mean that it was a high ranking position of honor. It may have been that they were the expendable ones. There is also the fact that largely due to necessity the ponies today seem to do the same jobs as they did prior to Hearthswarming Eve. Pegasai control the weather (which Boast Busters and Mystery Magic Cure confirm that unicorns can do to some extent. I doubt they have the means to replicate the hurricane to get water into the clouds in the first place), Earth Ponies grow the food and Unicorns are high society. There is also the fact that the of the seven royals we've seen four of them are alicorns (Celestia, Luna, Cadence and Twilight Sparkle) and three of them are unicorns (Blueblood, Shining Armor and Sombra) Cadence was a pegasai prior to her coronation and Twilight a unicorn. To date none have been revealed to have been born Earth Ponies. And that's without the simple unavoidable fact that unicorns and pegasai are just plain better than Earth Ponies being able to fly and use magic respectively. Earth Ponies are said to be physically stronger but even if they are Rarity in Mysterious Mare Do Well revealed that she can seemingly without effort (even if Twilight was helping which is probable) lift dozens of huge rocks that I doubt AJ could move. All in all the only thing we have as proof that things are different now is what we're told and that could be as simple as Hearthswarming Eve following a case bad case of Too Dumb to Live infecting them. The reality is everybody in Equestria has a job to do that they are uniquely capable of (if Earth Ponies truly have a connection with the Earth) and while once things settled down they realized that fact and happily settled back into the old arrangement where pegasai control the weather, Earth Ponies grow the food and Unicorns. . .unicorn?
      • The fact that pegasi and unicorns have abilities that Earth ponies don't does not necessarily mean that Earth ponies are treated as lesser beings by pony society, and certainly not anything near the way American slavery and racism have played out in history and in modern times. Canterlot may be mostly unicorns, but that may have been who settled there originally, just like how Manehatten seems to be mostly Earth ponies and only pegasi can live on cloud cities like Cloudsdale (and that has nothing to do with pegasi being racist, it's simply that unicorns and Earth ponies would be physically unable to stand on clouds without the use of magic that may only be temporary). There may be a few bits of pony racism, but the times that they are stand out because it IS so rare in pony society (like Trenderhoof's strange comment about Earth ponies' work ethic). If pony race relations were anything like human racism, we'd see things like there being a stigma against interracial friendships such as the ones shared by the Mane 6 and the CMC, and regular use of racist social exclusion, insults, and barring ponies from jobs that wouldn't be affected by their actual abilities. None of which are things that are known to happen in the series, unless one is assuming that the show itself is hiding "problems" in what is a fictional world that does not exist outside the show and the comic series. I think that calling attention to the different races and trying to find a hierarchy among them is something that comes up within the fandom MUCH more often than in the show itself, and is probably the result of humans, who do live in a world that has racism, projecting the problems of their own society onto a world that is very rarely shown to have those problems. The other reason that I don't think that the relations between the pony races would be equivalent to human race relations is because human races are mostly a social construct with little real difference in innate physical and mental abilities, while ponies are divided into three groups that have abilities that literally only they can do (as in, ponies can't make themselves grow a horn and/or wings in most cases, outside of specific spells and possibly technology that could be used to be the equivalent of having wings and/or a horn). That said, pony society doesn't seem to put as much emphasis on having these abilities or lack of them unless it's something that directly involves one of those abilities. And aside from Trenderhoof's strange comment about Earth ponies having more of a work ethic and some of the remarks made in the Hearth's Warming Eve play, the ponies almost never assign stereotypical personality traits or mental abilities to each other based on their race; their races are usually only important in terms of physical and magical abilities, and not anything like who is smarter or more able to be a good leader.

  • Pink Celestia. Exactly what is so bad about that?
    • A combination of how it's inaccurate to the show and how it can be seen exemplar of how we enforce gender roles for little girls.
      • So a pink toy is bad because we enforce that pink is for girls? Or more that they made her pink?
      • It's really a mix of both; people dislike it because they basically changed a perfectly good character for no real reason other than to appeal to gender stereotypes, and in doing so screwed up the accuracy of the toy. It's not the pinkness itself so much as the notion that Celestia apparently isn't good enough to get a toy... unless she's pink, which apparently makes it okay.

  • Why are the new Alicorn Twilight brushable toys a head taller than the regular pony toys? I know that's what they do for all Alicorns, but I think an exception could have been made for Twilight. Also, I believe an Alicorn mold was made for Luna that was the same size as the regular ponies. Why can't they just use that?
    • Alicorn!Twilight *is* slightly taller than the other ponies. Not a head taller, but it is noticeable... once you know she is.

  • Why is it that there are so many jokes in the fandom about how Scootaloo can't fly, but Nobody really says anything much at all about how Sweetie Belle doesn't use her horn for anything?
    • Because Sweetie Belle actually has been shown using her horn for a few things - granted it's a "Blink and you'll miss it" moment.
      • When has Sweete Belle actually cast any spells?
    • Sweetie Belle hasn't used magic yet, but neither have other unicorns in her age group. The only unicorn that we've seen use controlled magic before getting her cutie mark, rather than just random surges, was Twilight Sparkle, and she had trouble just using levitation. By contrast, pegasus ponies as young or younger than Scootaloo have been shown flying. Sweetie Belle seems to be developing at a normal rate, unlike Scootaloo.
    • As of season four, Sweetie Belle has learned some magic while Scootaloo's continued inability to fly has been acknowledged as unusual.

  • Okay, why on earth is Hasbro using Wilhelm Screams? Did anyone give them the memo that not even comedies use them anymore?
    • Money, Dear Pony; most probably. It is surprisingly difficult to get really good, convincing screams. And considering the stress that screaming places on the larynx, and the damage it can cause over the long term, it's not the sort of thing you want to subject your main voice cast to if avoidable. Add to that, the Wilhelm Scream is still commonly used in film and television, particularly comedy, as an in-joke. Monsters University is one recent example.
      • Except that even mocking the Wilhelm Scream ceased being funny in the 00s. Seltzer And Frieberg won't even touch the Wilhelm Scream with a ten foot pole - that's how much of a dead horse it is. Sure it was kind of funny in the comic book episode (being a parody and all) but nowadays, I know of filmmaking schools that deduct points for using Stock Sound Effects like the Wilhelm Scream.
      • Which film schools? I agree mocking it is probably out of fashion, but to most viewers it is just a random scream in the background that helps the atmosphere.
      • They might be talking about Queen's University, Pacific Film & New Media Academy, York University, Toronto Film School, and the Vancouver Film School, all of which (well, not sure about York and Queens) strongly discourage using stock effects in the later years. No idea bout American film schools.
      • I'm not quite sure what you're talking about, I still hear it used in both TV and films, oftentimes not even comedically.

  • [I'd have placed this in the season 4 page but I don't know where it'd go.] So... whatever happened to that chest they had to open in season 4? Seven episodes in, it was acknowledged once... but it seems to have been forgotten entirely.
    • Castle-Mania might not have directly mentioned it but what was be researched is fairly clear and they were there again in Power Ponies presumably doing more research. Still they have been strangely quiet especially since the commercials keep pushing that their quest will effect the very fate of Equestria.
    • I thought the implication was every time the rainbow sheen effect was used (Such as on Boneless at the end of Pinkie Pride), it was a signal that that item is the corresponding pony's 'key' and will have greater relevance in the season finale.
      • That's almost definitely the case. It just seems that a lot of emphasis is being put on an important quest that could decide the fate of the world and the girls don't seem to care in the least. It's almost like they know a weapon will literally fall in their laps when the threat arrives.
      • If I could write for the show, I'd have the girls called out on it... or if Celestia somehow knew but lied and didn't tell them (again), have Celestia called out on it.
      • In defense of the girls they (like most heroes) are reactive rather than proactive. Which means the idea that they would go looking for a weapon before they had a villain to use it on runs contrary to their personalities. Though the early concern displayed in Castlemania suggests they do intend to go looking for these keys. If the above theory is right that they've been obtaining them (even if Boneless is the only object I can remember off hand) all along it could tie back to the pilot. The didn't claim the Elements of Harmony, they are the rightful bearers and may very well be able to channel their energy with out touching the artifacts proper and just never knew. As for Celestia, for all of Celestia's trolling and mischief she has her reasons in many cases. Outside of sappy cartoons about pastel colored ponies nobody sets out deliberately to make friends and makes friends. They have to happen naturally. If Twilight had known in advance how the Elements worked it instead of "allowing" five crazy ponies to join her in Everfree she would have intentionally gathered together allies intending to FORCE friendship to activate the Elements.
    • re: the chest — Chekhov's Gun was finally fired in the season 4 finale, and how.

  • With the new Rainbow Power toys released, does anyone feel the the color green is almost completely missing from this generation? Each other color in the rainbow is represented nicely, (with Pinkie being close enough to red, and Rarity being white is added as an extra color after purple) except green. In fact, I can only think of two brushable toys that were green (Minty, only in an exclusive set, and Lyra), and they were pretty light green at that.

  • Am I the only one who finds it odd that the main characters, who've saved Equestria numerous times, still aren't known by characters in the town they live in? Does Equestria not have any kind of news system?
    • Well, we do know that newspapers exist in the setting, but given that gossip allowed a school paper to outsell's Ponyville's actual newspaper, I wouldn't trust their judgement.
    • This has been covered a couple of times in a couple of different ways. The Equestian news and history system is pretty terrible. However the girls do seem to be recognized around town, they were all prominent members of the Summer Sun Celebration, rewarded for stopping Discord, Bridesmaids at Cadences wedding and 'Twilight Time' in S4 hinges on the idea that Twilight is a local celebrity. Not that it makes much more sense but the fact that the girls aren't recognized on sight anywhere they go is odd. Unless Equestria is much larger than it looks. Perhaps just like Trixie suggests Ponyville really is the middle of nowhere despite being just down the street from Canterlot. If Equestria is closer to real life than we're generally lead to believe and Manehatten is "regular" with Phillydelphia and Trottingham being similar in size and scope it could be just that most people aren't really aware. Ask yourself how many world leaders (not counting your own) you would recognize walking down the street, how many Medal of Honor (or your country's equivalent honor) would be able to pick out.

  • This question is about the Gameloft game rather than the show. I understand why Derpy isn't referred to by name (The Last Round-Up is what caused the issue in the first place), but couldn't they just use one of her other fan nicknames? She was named "Ditzy Doo" in one episode. Granted she wasn't actually onscreen, but still.
    • The fandom is crazy. If they used a definitive name(either one) people would complain about it. Not naming her anything is basically playing it safe.

  • How is it that so many ponies manage to have a name that is connected to their Cutie Mark or Job description? Now I understand that some of them could be from families associated with a skill or profession (such as Applejack and possibly Octavia melody) or are referred to by their nicknames (Time Turner?) but just how do you explain Silver Spoon and Diamond Tiara? Are all Equestrian parents psychic or are their children really really predictable? Also, does this mean Applebloom will have to change her name if she doesn't get an apple-related cutie mark?

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