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* On the back of the box for "The Twin Snakes", it says, "Two of the greatest games of all time, VideoGame/MetalGearSolid and ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' are fused together to form the UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube classic VideoGame/MetalGearSolid The Twin Snakes". Obviously, this is not the case. Why does it say this when there's only one game?

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* On the back of the box for "The Twin Snakes", it says, "Two of the greatest games of all time, VideoGame/MetalGearSolid and ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' are fused together to form the UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube Platform/NintendoGameCube classic VideoGame/MetalGearSolid The Twin Snakes". Obviously, this is not the case. Why does it say this when there's only one game?
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'''Remember''': ''Metal Gear Solid'' is not the name of the series. This page is for [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] concerning the first title ''Metal Gear Solid'' for the UsefulNotes/PlayStation and UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube. Put [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] for the entire series on the [[Headscratchers/MetalGear Metal Gear Headscratchers page]], or, if your Headscratcher is about something that only happened in one game, try one of the following pages:

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'''Remember''': ''Metal Gear Solid'' is not the name of the series. This page is for [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] concerning the first title ''Metal Gear Solid'' for the UsefulNotes/PlayStation Platform/PlayStation and UsefulNotes/NintendoGameCube.Platform/NintendoGameCube. Put [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratchers]] for the entire series on the [[Headscratchers/MetalGear Metal Gear Headscratchers page]], or, if your Headscratcher is about something that only happened in one game, try one of the following pages:
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* During the battle with Metal Gear Rex, Snake finds himself unable to shoot a missile at Liquid as it would kill Gray Fox as well. Seeing how he can't bring himself to kill his friend is a real {{Tearjerker}}... but it seems unlikely considering ''he already did exactly that'' in Videogame/MetalGear2. Not only does he beat Fox to death, he later leaves his body on the floor and carries on with the mission like nothing happened. So killing your buddy to stop a dangerous terrorist is fine, but killing him to stop another terrorist is unacceptable?

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* During the battle with Metal Gear Rex, Snake finds himself unable to shoot a missile at Liquid as it would kill Gray Fox as well. Seeing how he can't bring himself to kill his friend is a real {{Tearjerker}}... but it seems unlikely considering ''he already did exactly that'' in Videogame/MetalGear2.Videogame/MetalGear2SolidSnake. Not only does he beat Fox to death, he later leaves his body on the floor and carries on with the mission like nothing happened. So killing your buddy to stop a dangerous terrorist is fine, but killing him to stop another terrorist is unacceptable?
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** Simple: [[spoiler:there was no plan. Snake had no idea that FOXDIE was in his system, the real plan all along was to send him there and cause the deaths of Anderson and Baker with Snake's mere presence. They both died almost as soon as he met them, meaning there was never any need to worry about an 'extraction point'. Snake probably assumed Campbell would tell him what it was when he'd saved the hostages... but he didn't save them, ergo the information, if it existed at all, would be pointless.]]

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** Simple: [[spoiler:there was no plan. Snake had no idea that FOXDIE [[VirusAndCureNames FOXDIE]] was in his system, the real plan all along was to send him there and cause the deaths of Anderson and Baker with Snake's mere presence. They both died almost as soon as he met them, meaning there was never any need to worry about an 'extraction point'. Snake probably assumed Campbell would tell him what it was when he'd saved the hostages... but he didn't save them, ergo the information, if it existed at all, would be pointless.]]



** Its possible Liquid thinks that his and Solid's genes are going to be weaker, much like how in the days of VHS tapes, a copy (or "second generation") VHS copy was always going to have worse quality than the original. Alternatively, he might've already known or suspected that Solid Snake was [[spoiler: infected with FoxDie]] and so didn't want to even bother repairing his soldiers with [[spoiler: genes he knew had a virus in them designed specifically to kill him.]]

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** Its possible Liquid thinks that his and Solid's genes are going to be weaker, much like how in the days of VHS tapes, a copy (or "second generation") VHS copy was always going to have worse quality than the original. Alternatively, he might've already known or suspected that Solid Snake was [[spoiler: infected with FoxDie]] [=FoxDie=]]] and so didn't want to even bother repairing his soldiers with [[spoiler: genes he knew had a virus in them designed specifically to kill him.]]
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** Also, [=MGS2=] has significantly better graphics than [MGS1], which also formed a graphical base for the remake.

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** Also, [=MGS2=] has significantly better graphics than [MGS1], [=MGS1=], which also formed a graphical base for the remake.
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** IIRC in the novelisation, there's specifically a page or two showing Miller getting taken out by Liquid's men. Can only assume this is a genuine oversight by the script-writers. Probably the "he's been dead for at least three days" line was added in to emphasise that Snake had been talking to Liquid all along and that Master wasn't taken out during the mission.

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** IIRC in the novelisation, there's specifically a page or two showing Miller getting taken out by Liquid's men. Can only assume this is a genuine oversight by the script-writers. Probably the "he's been dead for at least three days" line was added in to emphasise that Snake had been talking to Liquid all along and that Master wasn't taken out during the mission.mission.
** "...but Mei Ling said his transmission signal was coming from inside the base." Wouldn't that sort of thing become obvious and rumble Liquid long before the deception was revealed if Mei Ling was doing her job properly? If Miller wasn't part of the official mission staff shouldn't Campbell have ordered Miller's first call looked into from the start or if he was staff at least fact checked to make sure it was actually Miller he was talking to before it became a problem by checking his home earlier (it took them a while to find Snake for the job, more than enough time to check on Miller's status beforehand) not right at the end?
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** Also bear this in mind; a Metal Gear bellowing is ''loud''. Almost certainly loud enough to damage hearing in people who are too close to it. What do people usually do in these instance? Cover their ears. With their ''hands''. What do you typically use to fire guns et al? Your hands. So a distraction and Incoming DPS reduction in one package, making those affected easier targets. Now true, soldiers often wear hearing protection ([[NoOSHACompliance though Snake isn't, or anyone else on Shadow Moses for that matter]]) but they're better for lesser decibels over a longer period of time (like firing guns in an extended engagement) rather than the short sharp shock of a Metal Gear in full voice.

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* ''Headscratchers/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain''



** Also, when the DARPA Chief's green dot disappeared from the radar, that was probably how they realized he had died.

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** Also, when the DARPA Chief's green dot disappeared from the radar, that was probably how they realized realised he had died.



* Where and when exactly did Gray Fox get hold of the arm mounted laser cannon he uses to destroy Rex's radome? Firstly, at no point was this weapon even alluded to until he comes to Snake's aid - Otacon or Natasha certainly won't mention it if you call them. Secondly, he blatantly doesn't own the thing during your boss fight with him, meaning he must have aquired it afterward from... the armoury? Alongside the Nikita in the nuclear storage building? Both places have been explored completely ''before'' you fight him. Nowhere else on this base apparently stores small arms, so keeping this gun anywhere else would be stupid in itself.

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* Where and when exactly did Gray Fox get hold of the arm mounted laser cannon he uses to destroy Rex's radome? Firstly, at no point was this weapon even alluded to until he comes to Snake's aid - Otacon or Natasha certainly won't mention it if you call them. Secondly, he blatantly doesn't own the thing during your boss fight with him, meaning he must have aquired acquired it afterward afterwards from... the armoury? Alongside the Nikita in the nuclear storage building? Both places have been explored completely ''before'' you fight him. Nowhere else on this base apparently stores small arms, so keeping this gun anywhere else would be stupid in itself.



* During MGSV we learn that a certain psychic child is [[spoiler: able to control Sahelanthropus]] with his powers. If the psychic child is in fact the same character as mantis from Metal Gear Solid 1 (as we are led to believe), why did he not utilise his abilities to control REX at Shadow Moses? Even if Mantis was dead by the time Ocelot and Liquid manipulate Solid Snake into activating it for them, the entire premise of their plan was ALREADY based upon relying on Solid to activate REX. Why rely on an elaborate gambit roulette when you have someone with such a convinient ability on your side? To add to the confusion, Liquid already knows of ([[spoiler:and has already taken advantage of]]) Mantis's said abilities. Unless it's explained why Mantis is not using this ability by the time the Shadow Moses incident comes around, Kojima has inadvertantly punched a gaping plot hole into the narrative of MGS 1.
** How is there a gaping plot hole? Sahelanthropus was being controlled by Psycho Mantis with Liquid inside it and it was already active during ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVGroundZeroes''. Now compare that to ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' where Rex was inactive at the time and neither Liquid nor Mantis had any idea how to activate Rex until Solid Snake Inserted the activation card key which both Liquid and Mantis had no idea how the key worked at the time. Also if Liquid entered Rex while it was inactive while Mantis was using his powers to help pilot it, it would be comparable to a passenger guiding a driver inside a car only for them to realize they had no keys in the car ignition to be able to drive. Mantis couldn't use that ability since Rex would still be inactive.
* What was Solidus' motivation for Shadow Moses I mean at the end of this game it is stated that Ocelot and Solidus are behind everything, I mean what was going on what was the point.
** There's no specific source that really attacks this issue, but based on information from [=MGS4=] [[spoiler: For Solidus specifically, it's fairly obvious by now that he was being played by Ocelot all along. His motivations have always been clear - he was manipulated by the Patriots into office, but he had always resented their control and wanted to seize "liberty" for himself all along. REX was the weapon he likely planned on using as a bargaining chip to back the Patriots into a corner and cut them down, just as he did with Arsenal Gear in [=MGS2=]. He simply didn't realize the extent of what he was dealing with until it was too late. As for events of the first game as a whole, it's possible it has to do with Ocelot's masterminding and the deconstructive forces behind the breakdown of the Patriots. If Big Mama is to be believed, Big Boss' betrayal was the final straw for Zero. He lost his faith in humanity and chose to leave his legacy in the hands of an immortal AI, so that means by the time this game rolls around, the AI structure is already in place thanks to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem Y2K]] scare and other efforts on his part. It seems logical to assume that this would cause friction amidst the Patriots - after all, Eva had already formally left to create her own resistance, Paramedic/Dr. Clark was dead, Ocelot was working as a double-spy. So that leaves us with Donald Anderson, aka Sigint. It doesn't seem too far of a stretch to think he might have had his own motivations for aiding in the development of REX in an effort thwart Zero or otherwise. In addition, while Ocelot couldn't have predicted the far-reaching impact that leads to the events of [=MGS4=], he certainly could have maneuvered much of the Moses mission in order to give himself a wild card. Ocelot's presence in the Patriots means that he would've known of the coming development of SOP - creating REX gave him a weapon that would be free of Patriot control. After all, why else would a nuclear walking tank be sitting around, functional and unused in an abandoned facility? The government isn't that negligent. Somebody must've worked it so that Shadow Moses was left buried for its potential use as a last resort.]] Mind you, this is just one fan's speculation, so the point is highly debatable.
*** I was under the impression that the Patriots allowed the development of REX to fuel the early stages of the war economy - after all, they must have planned for the REX documentation to be sold on the black market, otherwise it wouldn't have been allowed. Remember that in [=MGS2=], they not only know what Solidus will do, but have actively planned his every step up throughout the game, so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd planned this out, too. Sigint is on hand as Zero's representative during the game, making sure everything comes together as planned, Solidus intends to use REX against the Patriots but is forced to pull out and resign, and Ocelot, with his, what, ''quadruple agent'' status takes advantage of everyone involved for his own ends, killing Anderson and playing Liquid and Solidus like cheap violins. It's stated that, in part, Shadow Moses was Solidus' scheme against the Patriots, to have a weapon that he can use against them - just as the President in [=MGS2=] allies with Solidus to use Arsenal against the Patriots. But the Patriots are behind nearly everything until Ocelot outwits them and takes charge in the fourth game, meaning that REX would have been theirs, in the end, just like RAY is once Ocelot steals it to become part of Arsenal's defense systems.
** Solidus loves his daddy. Why wouldn't he want a Metal Gear unit ready and waiting for him just a faked death away? In addition, though the Shadow Moses incident destroyed his presidency (before the faked death part), it also ended the career of his Secretary of Defense. Secretary Houseman witnessed the births of the Les Enfants Terible and was [[spoiler: close friends with one of the founders of the Patriots]], and he was working in Sears' own office. When Solidus says he resented the Patriot's control over him, he very well might have been talking about this man, specifically.
* Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss, which presumably renders the whole "We need Big Bosses genes" subplot redundant and pointless. This Troper realizes that Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but it seems kinda annoying this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing he doesn't need Big Bosses body after all.

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* During MGSV we learn that a certain psychic child is [[spoiler: able to control Sahelanthropus]] with his powers. If the psychic child is in fact the same character as mantis Mantis from Metal Gear Solid 1 (as we are led to believe), why did he not utilise his abilities to control REX at Shadow Moses? Even if Mantis was dead by the time Ocelot and Liquid manipulate Solid Snake into activating it for them, the entire premise of their plan was ALREADY based upon relying on Solid to activate REX. Why rely on an elaborate gambit roulette when you have someone with such a convinient convenient ability on your side? To add to the confusion, Liquid already knows of ([[spoiler:and has already taken advantage of]]) Mantis's said abilities. Unless it's explained why Mantis is not using this ability by the time the Shadow Moses incident comes around, Kojima has inadvertantly inadvertently punched a gaping plot hole into the narrative of MGS 1.
** How is there a gaping plot hole? Sahelanthropus was being controlled by Psycho Mantis with Liquid inside it and it was already active during ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVGroundZeroes''. Now compare that to ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' where Rex REX was inactive at the time and neither Liquid nor Mantis had any idea how to activate Rex REX until Solid Snake Inserted inserted the activation card key key, of which both Liquid and Mantis had no idea how the key worked at the time. Also if Liquid entered Rex while it was inactive while Mantis was using his powers to help pilot it, it would be comparable to a passenger guiding a driver inside a car only for them to realize realise they had no keys in the car ignition to be able to drive. Mantis couldn't use that ability since Rex would still be inactive.
* What was Solidus' motivation for Shadow Moses Moses, I mean at the end of this game it is stated that Ocelot and Solidus are behind everything, I mean what everything. What was going on here, what was the point.
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** There's no specific source that really attacks this issue, but based on information from [=MGS4=] [[spoiler: For for Solidus specifically, it's fairly obvious by now that he was being played by Ocelot all along. His motivations have always been clear - he was manipulated by the Patriots into office, but he had always resented their control and wanted to seize "liberty" for himself all along. REX was the weapon he likely planned on using as a bargaining chip to back the Patriots into a corner and cut them down, just as he did with Arsenal Gear in [=MGS2=]. He simply didn't realize realise the extent of what he was dealing with until it was too late. As for events of the first game as a whole, it's possible it has to do with Ocelot's masterminding and the deconstructive forces behind the breakdown of the Patriots. If Big Mama is to be believed, Big Boss' betrayal was the final straw for Zero. He lost his faith in humanity and chose to leave his legacy in the hands of an immortal AI, so that means by the time this game rolls around, the AI structure is already in place thanks to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem Y2K]] scare and other efforts on his part. It seems logical to assume that this would cause friction amidst the Patriots - after all, Eva had already formally left to create her own resistance, Paramedic/Dr. Clark was dead, Ocelot was working as a double-spy.double agent. So that leaves us with Donald Anderson, aka Sigint. It doesn't seem too far of a stretch to think he might have had his own motivations for aiding in the development of REX in an effort thwart Zero or otherwise. In addition, while Ocelot couldn't have predicted the far-reaching impact that leads to the events of [=MGS4=], he certainly could have maneuvered manoeuvred much of the Moses mission in order to give himself a wild card. Ocelot's presence in the Patriots means that he would've known of the coming development of SOP - creating REX gave him a weapon that would be free of Patriot control. After all, why else would a nuclear walking tank be sitting around, functional and unused in an abandoned facility? The government isn't that negligent. Somebody must've worked it so that Shadow Moses was left buried for its potential use as a last resort.]] Mind you, this is just one fan's speculation, so the point is highly debatable.
*** ** I was under the impression that the Patriots allowed the development of REX to fuel the early stages of the war economy - after all, they must have planned for the REX documentation to be sold on the black market, otherwise it wouldn't have been allowed. Remember that in [=MGS2=], they not only know what Solidus will do, but have actively planned his every step up throughout the game, so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd planned this out, too. Sigint is on hand as Zero's representative during the game, making sure everything comes together as planned, Solidus intends to use REX against the Patriots but is forced to pull out and resign, and Ocelot, with his, what, ''quadruple agent'' status takes advantage of everyone involved for his own ends, killing Anderson and playing Liquid and Solidus like cheap violins. It's stated that, in part, Shadow Moses was Solidus' scheme against the Patriots, to have a weapon that he can use against them - just as the President in [=MGS2=] allies with Solidus to use Arsenal against the Patriots. But the Patriots are behind nearly everything until Ocelot outwits them and takes charge in the fourth game, meaning that REX would have been theirs, their's, in the end, just like RAY is once Ocelot steals it to become part of Arsenal's defense defence systems.
** Solidus loves his daddy. Why wouldn't he want a Metal Gear unit ready and waiting for him just a faked death away? In addition, though the Shadow Moses incident destroyed his presidency (before the faked death part), it also ended the career of his Secretary of Defense.Defence. Secretary Houseman witnessed the births of the Les Enfants Terible and was [[spoiler: close friends with one of the founders of the Patriots]], and he was working in Sears' own office. When Solidus says he resented the Patriot's control over him, he very well might have been talking about this man, specifically.
* Liquid goes on and on about wanting Big Bosses Corpse Boss's corpse so he can have a gene sample to fix the genome soldiers, except Liquid also knows that both he and Solid Snake are clones of Big Boss, which presumably renders the whole "We need Big Bosses Boss's genes" subplot redundant and pointless. This Troper realizes I realise that Liquid is kind of an idiot in regards to ANYTHING related to genetics, but it seems kinda annoying this is never brought up once. Liquid presumably has all the same genes as Big Boss(being Boss (being a clone and all) and even with the whole "Recessive" clone thing Liquid is so obsessed with, you'd think capturing Snake, the "Dominant" clone, would lead Liquid to at least consider the idea of taking gene samples from Snake, using the gene samples from himself and realizing realising he doesn't need Big Bosses Boss's body after all.



*** Most of them seem to go by the animal part of their code names. The way I see it, Snake's code name is simply "Snake" and "Solid" is just descriptive. If Ocelot started using an M61 Vulcan perhaps he would become known as Vulcan Ocelot, but the "Ocelot" part won't change.
* Liquid Snake's plan [[spoiler: requires Solid Snake's presence in order to activate Metal Gear REX. He then sticks the Fox Hound unit and the Genome Army in Snake's path. OK, he's got to keep the charade up to avoid suspicion, but isn't this going a ''bit'' far? Either Snake's going to die and his plan's a failure, or Fox Hound are going to get killed, which makes his whole "I want a world where warriors are respected" spiel seem a tad hypocritical.]]

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*** Most of them seem to go by the animal part of their code names. The way I see it, Snake's code name codename is simply "Snake" and "Solid" is just descriptive. If Ocelot started using an M61 Vulcan perhaps he would become known as Vulcan Ocelot, but the "Ocelot" part won't change.
* Liquid Snake's plan [[spoiler: requires Solid Snake's presence in order to activate Metal Gear REX. He then sticks the Fox Hound FOXHOUND unit and the Genome Army in Snake's path. OK, he's got to keep the charade up to avoid suspicion, but isn't this going a ''bit'' far? Either Snake's going to die and his plan's a failure, or Fox Hound FOXHOUND are going to get killed, which makes his whole "I want a world where warriors are respected" spiel seem a tad hypocritical.]]



*** Actually, that won't work. There was a specific way on getting using the PAL key (memory shape alloy) and only the chief knows how to open it. The bad guys figured that Snake will somehow know this, and he did, thanks to Otacon hacking the account of the chief and discovering how it can open.
*** Welcome to [[GambitRoulette Metal Gear Solid]]. Actually, maybe the [[spoiler: Microwave Scene in [=MGS4=] was the faraway justification for that, since in that scene it's stated flat out that Liquid absolutely needed Snake to get through his killer hallway in order for his plan to work. I guess Liquid just feels like he's not being sneaky enough if Snake isn't being killed by a hallway.]]
*** [=MGS4=] actually makes more sense, since Liquid had a [[spoiler:back-up plan: the rail gun.]] In the first game, [[spoiler:he had nothing, and if Snake died, he was screwed.]]
*** Well not completely; they still [[spoiler:had Metal Gear Rex's testing data. As it's revealed in [=MGS2=], Ocelot sells this data to the highest bidders and gains a lot of money out of it, which could've then been used to do pretty much any other project he wanted. Assuming Snake died, Liquid still could've gotten his money via this method and possibly use some of it to fix the Genome Soldiers like he wanted.]]
*** Remember that Ocelot is a torture fanatic, as stated in [=MGS3=] he feels a man only shows his true self when subjected to pain and fear of death. Forcing Snake to half kill himself to get to the objective is perfectly in character for him.

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*** ** Actually, that won't work. There was a specific way on getting using to use the PAL key (memory shape alloy) and only the chief DARPA Chief knows how to open it. The bad guys figured that Snake will somehow know this, and he did, thanks to Otacon hacking the account of the chief Chief and discovering how it can open.
*** ** Welcome to [[GambitRoulette Metal Gear Solid]]. Actually, maybe the [[spoiler: Microwave Scene in [=MGS4=] was the faraway justification for that, since in that scene it's stated flat out that Liquid absolutely needed Snake to get through his killer hallway in order for his plan to work. I guess Liquid just feels like he's not being sneaky enough if Snake isn't being killed by a hallway.]]
*** ** [=MGS4=] actually makes more sense, since Liquid had a [[spoiler:back-up plan: the rail gun.]] In the first game, [[spoiler:he had nothing, and if Snake died, he was screwed.]]
*** ** Well not completely; they still [[spoiler:had Metal Gear Rex's testing data. As it's revealed in [=MGS2=], Ocelot sells this data to the highest bidders and gains a lot of money out of it, which could've then been used to do pretty much any other project he wanted. Assuming Snake died, Liquid still could've gotten his money via this method and possibly use some of it to fix the Genome Soldiers like he wanted.]]
*** ** Remember that Ocelot is a torture fanatic, as stated in [=MGS3=] he feels a man only shows his true self when subjected to pain and fear of death. Forcing Snake to half kill himself to get to the objective is perfectly in character for him.



*** [[spoiler:Vulcan Raven and Sniper Wolf are just playing with Snake when they first meet him; they're both perfectly fine after their respective encounters. Later the plan gets thrown out of the window when both Raven and Wolf get obsessed with killing Snake for their disturbed personal reasons. Psycho Mantis never cared about the plan in the first place; he only cares about killing and thus tries to murder Snake for real in their first encounter. Liquid actually berates their actions as Master Miller if you call him after you kill them.]]
*** That sort of makes sense as a bit of a fanwank. If Liquid really didn't want to kill Snake, though, cornering him with a Hind and shooting at him with missiles and rockets suggests he got a bit carried away.
*** [[spoiler:The danger to the Genome Soldiers was probably considered acceptable, since the FOXHOUND would've expected Snake to evade them all sneaky-like (that's the point of the game, after all).]]
*** [[spoiler:As for the lethal traps, Liquid might have simply overestimated Snake's abilities. Liquid himself is a Bad Ass who's seen taking massive amounts of punishment throughout the game and shrugging it off moments later. Solid Snake is supposed to be genetically superior to Liquid, so Liquid might have figured that Solid must be capable of withstanding even more. Liquid doesn't know Solid is actually the inferior one, so it's possible Liquid never realized how close Solid actually came to dying in his mission.]]
* Okay, so the genome soldiers are supposedly all super soldiers enhanced with Big Boss' genes, yet they can't see past 6 feet in front of them, can easily be distracted ("whose footprints are these?!"), fall asleep while on duty, don't seem to be much tougher than a normal human and are in fact very weak compared to other characters in those games and apparently can't even stop a nerdy guy like Otacon, who has no fighting or sneaking skills (sorry but the camo combination doesn't explain everything. Knowing him, he must bump into loads of noisy crap or even into soldiers, which would blow his cover) from freely roaming through their base. What sense does it make?! Real life Soldiers are a bigger threat than these supposedly "enhanced" ones!

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*** ** [[spoiler:Vulcan Raven and Sniper Wolf are just playing with Snake when they first meet him; they're both perfectly fine after their respective encounters. Later the plan gets thrown out of the window when both Raven and Wolf get obsessed with killing Snake for their disturbed personal reasons. Psycho Mantis never cared about the plan in the first place; he only cares about killing and thus tries to murder Snake for real in their first encounter. Liquid actually berates their actions as Master Miller if you call him after you kill them.]]
*** ** That sort of makes sense as a bit of a fanwank. If Liquid really didn't want to kill Snake, though, cornering him with a Hind and shooting at him with missiles and rockets suggests he got a bit carried away.
*** ** [[spoiler:The danger to the Genome Soldiers was probably considered acceptable, since the FOXHOUND would've expected Snake to evade them all sneaky-like (that's the point of the game, after all).]]
*** ** [[spoiler:As for the lethal traps, Liquid might have simply overestimated Snake's abilities. Liquid himself is a Bad Ass who's seen taking massive amounts of punishment throughout the game and shrugging it off moments later. Solid Snake is supposed to be genetically superior to Liquid, so Liquid might have figured that Solid must be capable of withstanding even more. Liquid doesn't know Solid is actually the inferior one, so it's possible Liquid never realized realised how close Solid actually came to dying in his mission.]]
* Okay, so the genome soldiers Genome Soldiers are supposedly all super soldiers enhanced with Big Boss' genes, yet they can't see past 6 feet in front of them, can easily be distracted ("whose footprints are these?!"), fall asleep while on duty, don't seem to be much tougher than a normal human and are in fact very weak compared to other characters in those games and apparently can't even stop a nerdy guy like Otacon, who has no fighting or sneaking skills (sorry but the camo combination doesn't explain everything. Knowing him, he must bump into loads of noisy crap or even into soldiers, which would blow his cover) from freely roaming through their base. What sense does it make?! Real life Soldiers soldiers are a bigger threat than these supposedly "enhanced" ones!



*** There is also the possibility that Snake is ''just that good.'' The Genome soldiers are the fastest, smartest, toughest soldiers ever... it just doesn't ''seem'' that way from our perspective because we're controlling the most legendary mercenary alive. Kind of like how Krillin is one of the strongest guys in the universe until you stand him alongside Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
*** It's also worth noting that the Genome Soldiers are all being mind-controlled by Mantis at the start of the game. [[spoiler:After his death, the game actually points out that their reaction times will be better and such because the brain-washing has worn off]]. So at the start of the game, they're all a little dopey because they're only half paying attention to what's going on, while the other half of their mind is full of Psycho Mantis and his tricks
** The Genome Soldiers are modified with Big Boss's genes, enhancing them. But the gene therapy that was used wasn't very good. One of FOXHOUND's demands is for Big Boss's body so that Liquid can have his Genome Soldier "brothers" fixed at the genetic level. The Genome Soldiers should be super-soldiers, but they aren't because their genes are faulty.
** It's also said that the Genome Soldiers are VR trained, and have never faced real combat before. While they have all the knowledge of being a soldier, they may not have that much discipline or common sense that comes from being in a few battles. Thus, falling asleep on the job is very easy for them

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*** There is also the possibility that Snake is ''just that good.'' The Genome soldiers are the fastest, smartest, toughest soldiers ever... it just doesn't ''seem'' that way from our perspective because we're controlling the most legendary mercenary alive. Kind of like how [[Anime/DragonBallZ Krillin is one of the strongest guys in the universe until you stand him alongside Super Saiyan 3 Goku.
Goku]].
*** It's also worth noting that the Genome Soldiers are all being mind-controlled by Mantis at the start of the game. [[spoiler:After his death, the game actually points out that their reaction times will be better and such because the brain-washing brainwashing has worn off]]. So at the start of the game, they're all a little dopey because they're only half paying attention to what's going on, while the other half of their mind is full of Psycho Mantis and his tricks
tricks.
** The Genome Soldiers are modified with Big Boss's genes, enhancing them. But the gene therapy that was used wasn't very good. One of FOXHOUND's demands is for Big Boss's body so that Liquid can have his Genome Soldier "brothers" fixed at the genetic level. The Genome Soldiers should be super-soldiers, super soldiers, but they aren't because their genes are faulty.
** It's also said that the Genome Soldiers are VR trained, and have never faced real combat before. While they have all the knowledge of being a soldier, they may not have that much discipline or common sense that comes from being in a few battles. Thus, falling asleep on the job is very easy for themthem.



* So...what happens if you use autofire during the torture scene anyway?

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* So... what happens if you use autofire during the torture scene anyway?



** I've heard conflicting accounts. Some say he is bluffing and the game can't tell if you are using autofire, others say if the game detects an unlikely high amount of button presses in a short time, and others say that if you use a controller which is older than the game it can tell if you are using autofire but that's not the case for controllers made after the game. If he CAN tell, you are supposed to get a game over. I have no idea what is true for what version, though.

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** I've heard conflicting accounts. Some say he is bluffing and the game can't tell if you are using autofire, others say if the game detects can detect an unlikely high amount of button presses in a short time, and others say that if you use a controller which is older than the game it can tell if you are using autofire but that's not the case for controllers made after the game. If he CAN tell, you are supposed to get a game over.GameOver. I have no idea what is true for what version, though.



** Most of the mass of a missile holds the fuel, while the railgun whould just fire the warheads. So it's possible the warhead couldn't be tracked due its small size, though you're right about air resistance.

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** Most of the mass of a missile holds the fuel, while the railgun whould would just fire the warheads. So it's possible the warhead couldn't be tracked due its small size, though you're right about air resistance.



*** I always though Psycho Mantis was wearing a prototype version of the FOXHOUND Skull Suit. Not only is he in the correct organization but Raiden's version also has a mask.
** It's mentioned in Mantis's background that he worked for the FBI by getting into the heads of serial killers to understand them more, and turned evil because he got 'too'' into one person's mind and adopted too much of their behaviour. If what he says is true, about everyone constantly tihnking about sex, his clothing could have been picked since he too is subconsciously thinking about sex, even if he hates it, simply because he's picking it up from everyone else. Yes, he wears the gasmask to prevent that, but it doesn't totally block his powers, and therefore probably doesn't totally block anything else.
* On behalf of one of my friends who just played the game for the first time: Just a minor quibble, but does Meryl know who Liquid is (and his relationship to Snake) from the beginning?
** She does seem to know who Liquid is (she notes that Snake looks almost identical to him...), but she doesn't know his relationship to Snake (...but she says it in a way that implies she doesn't know Liquid has any relatives or BBBBBROOOTHER's)

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*** ** I always though thought Psycho Mantis was wearing a prototype version of the FOXHOUND Skull Suit. Not only is he in the correct organization organisation but Raiden's version also has a mask.
** It's mentioned in Mantis's background that he worked for the FBI by getting into the heads of serial killers to understand them more, and turned evil because he got 'too'' into one person's mind and adopted too much of their behaviour. If what he says is true, about everyone constantly tihnking thinking about sex, his clothing could have been picked since he too is subconsciously thinking about sex, even if he hates it, simply because he's picking it up from everyone else. Yes, he wears the gasmask to prevent that, but it doesn't totally block his powers, and therefore probably doesn't totally block anything else.
* On behalf of one of my friends who just played the game for the first time: Just just a minor quibble, but does Meryl know who Liquid is (and his relationship to Snake) from the beginning?
** She does seem to know who Liquid is (she notes that Snake looks almost identical to him...), but she doesn't know his relationship to Snake (...but she says it in a way that implies she doesn't know Liquid has any relatives or BBBBBROOOTHER's)BBBBBROOOTHERs)



* Part of Gray Fox's backstory for this instalment involves him literally getting resurrected by Dr. Clark and his team. So, yeah: science figures out how to bring someone back from death...and the process is never repeated or discussed again.
** For that matter, why did Clark even need to resurrect Fox in the first place? Remember, he wasn't trying to synthesize the world's first resurrection serum or anything; all he needed was a test subject for his prototype exoskeleton and gene therapy techniques. He could have just tested those on a ''living'' person.

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** Also, [=MGS2=] has significantly better graphics than [MGS1], which also formed a graphical base for the remake.
* Part of Gray Fox's backstory for this instalment involves him literally getting resurrected by Dr. Clark and his team. So, yeah: science figures out how to bring someone back from death... and the process is never repeated or discussed again.
** For that matter, why did Clark even need to resurrect Fox in the first place? Remember, he wasn't trying to synthesize synthesise the world's first resurrection serum or anything; all he needed was a test subject for his prototype exoskeleton and gene therapy techniques. He could have just tested those on a ''living'' person.



As for why they used Grey Fox, if you're going to build a cyborg ninja, it makes sense to make one out of the best damn soldier you have available, and from all accounts, Grey Fox was the next best thing at fighting to Big Boss himself. Also, being legally dead meant his rights were forfeit--a living person is going to have to ''agree'' to it, and be adequately compensated.
** As for why it was never repeated, most people wouldn't consider the Cyborg Ninja a resounding success. Yes, he was able to walk through armies like they were tin foil, but he was also so bat-shit insane that no one could control him. Also, didn't he kill Dr. Clark after he was activated? If so, then it's likely that Clark took the secret of how to do this to her grave.
** Related question, but if you're gonna do the whole Film/UniversalSoldier thing, why would you give him a completely different fighting style? I thought the whole point of using someone like Grey Fox was because of his muscle memory and combat expertise, neither of which really apply if you're giving him a katana and having him perform ninjitsu. This would be like resurrecting Bruce Lee and then giving him a [[Film/EvilDead2 chainsaw and boomstick]] ([[RuleOfCool which might sound awesome, but still]])

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As for why they used Grey Fox, if you're going to build a cyborg ninja, it makes sense to make one out of the best damn soldier you have available, and from all accounts, Grey Fox was the next best thing at fighting to Big Boss himself. Also, being legally dead meant his rights were forfeit--a forfeit-- a living person is going to have to ''agree'' to it, and be adequately compensated.
** As for why it was never repeated, most people wouldn't consider the Cyborg Ninja a resounding success. Yes, he was able to walk through armies like they were tin foil, but he was also so bat-shit batshit insane that no one could control him. Also, didn't he kill Dr. Clark after he was activated? If so, then it's likely that Clark took the secret of how to do this to her grave.
** Well, why would the results of a very expensive and important technological research project be confined to the mind of its lead scientist? As opposed to her colleagues, research notes, databases, off-site backups, etc.
** Related question, but if you're gonna do the whole Film/UniversalSoldier thing, why would you give him a completely different fighting style? I thought the whole point of using someone like Grey Fox was because of his muscle memory and combat expertise, neither of which really apply if you're giving him a katana and having him perform ninjitsu. This would be like resurrecting Bruce Lee and then giving him a [[Film/EvilDead2 chainsaw and boomstick]] ([[RuleOfCool which might sound awesome, but still]])still]]).



** On the other hand, it's possible some brick and mortar rental stores (and certainly online ones such as Netflix's early operation and the UK's LoveFilm) would decline to lend out the box as opposed to cheap foam protective sleeves or blank disc cases. Also, most trade-in stores may resort to using a generic box with the title of the game written on by marker, if the person who traded it in only had the disc. In both cases, that would be a legitimate reason as to why someone may not have access to the box and may feel stymied and disgruntled unless they think to brute force the codes one by one.



* When Snake is snooping in the REX Hangar's control room and hearing Liquid and Ocelot's discussion, Ocelot clearly sees Snake on a surveillance camera for some time, and then Liquid does as well. When Snake looks over the PAL Key and Ocelot quickly shoots it out of his hand, Ocelot said "who's that?" Wouldn't he know the guy he's been seeing on camera by the door for the last five minutes probably be the guy screwing around with a key right outside the door?

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* When Snake is snooping in the REX Hangar's control room and hearing Liquid and Ocelot's discussion, Ocelot clearly sees Snake on a surveillance camera for some time, and then Liquid does as well. When Snake looks over the PAL Key and Ocelot quickly shoots it out of his hand, Ocelot said "who's that?" Wouldn't he know the guy he's been seeing on camera by the door for the last five minutes is probably be the guy screwing around with a key right outside the door?



*** I wouldn't think they would need to bother for shooting the card. In fact, if anything, that would make Snake more likely to react and dodge the shot quicker. [[DullSurprise Then again...]]
*** In that scene, they need him to hear what they're saying--if they let on that they know it's him, and the only reason they can know it's him is because of the camera, Snake is going to wonder why in the hell they only shot at him after the big infodump. By going "Who's that?" Ocelot makes it seem like they only just spotted Snake, instead of knowing he was there the whole time.

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*** ** I wouldn't think they would need to bother with an act for shooting the card. In fact, if anything, that would make Snake more likely to react and dodge the shot quicker. [[DullSurprise Then again...]]
*** ** In that scene, they need him to hear what they're saying--if saying-- if they let on that they know it's him, and the only reason they can know it's him is because of the camera, Snake is going to wonder why in the hell they only shot at him after the big infodump. By going "Who's that?" that?", Ocelot makes it seem like they only just spotted Snake, instead of knowing he was there the whole time.



*** That's not it. I always get that line, and I almost never save before that point. Plus he follows up with "You have not saved often, you are somewhat reckless". You're giving me mixed messages here, Mantis!

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*** ** That's not it. I always get that line, and I almost never save before that point. Plus he follows up with "You have not saved often, you are somewhat reckless". You're giving me mixed messages here, Mantis!



*** Also get "You are a highly skilled warrior, well suited to this stealth mission", which means I neither die nor get caught or set off an alarm; and "You are extremely careful of traps. You are either very cautious...or you are a coward", which means I know where the traps are because I played this game so many times I can remember exactly what Mantis says from memory and thus don't get killed by them.

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*** Also ** I also get "You are a highly skilled warrior, well suited to this stealth mission", which means I neither die nor get caught or set off an alarm; and "You are extremely careful of traps. You are either very cautious... or you are a coward", which means I know where the traps are because I played this game so many times I can remember exactly what Mantis says from memory and thus don't get killed by them.



** Unlikely and unfortunately for Snake, he and Meryl (canonically) spent six months in a relationship with one another before it withered down, due to Snake's inability to live happily with himself as a civilian; Sometime afterwards, Snake and Otacon founded Philanthropy and got busy up taking down various Metal Gears worldwide for two years, [[MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty and then the business in 2007...]]
* What was the purpose of the two cell's Meryl and The Darpa Chief were being held in before Fox Hound took control? There is an office right next to it but they are designed like prison cells. This was supposed to be a civilian base. So why did they have it?

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** Unlikely and unfortunately for Snake, he and Meryl (canonically) spent six months in a relationship with one another before it withered down, due to Snake's inability to live happily with himself as a civilian; Sometime sometime afterwards, Snake and Otacon founded Philanthropy and got busy up taking down various Metal Gears worldwide for two years, [[MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty and then the business in 2007...]]
* What was the purpose of the two cell's cells Meryl and The Darpa Chief were being held in before Fox Hound took control? There is an office right next to it but they are designed like prison cells. This was supposed to be a civilian base. So why did they have it?



*** Fair enough I suppose. But why only have two in that case if the security detail was so much larger even before FoxHound? The torture room was designed to be a medical bay apparently so it isn't like they had another place to put them.

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*** ** Fair enough I suppose. But why only have two in that case if the security detail was so much larger even before FoxHound? FOXHOUND? The torture room was designed to be a medical bay apparently so it isn't like they had another place to put them.



*** I haven't seen ''Twins'' in ages, but why would anyone bother to use the leftover genes?
*** That's probably a better question for that film's page (though in Twins, I think, they say it just sort of happened, not that they did it on purpose).
*** They don't actually say that Liquid and Snake were superior / inferior "on purporse" in the game either. It could well have been ''exactly'' like ''Film/Twins1988'', except less "Arnie and deVito" and more "Arnie and Stallone".

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*** ** I haven't seen ''Twins'' in ages, but why would anyone bother to use the leftover genes?
*** ** That's probably a better question for that film's page (though in Twins, I think, they say it just sort of happened, not that they did it on purpose).
*** ** They don't actually say that Liquid and Snake were superior / inferior "on purporse" in the game either. It could well have been ''exactly'' like ''Film/Twins1988'', except less "Arnie and deVito" and more "Arnie and Stallone".







* Hello, just finished the game a couple hours ago, and am I the only one SERIOUSLY bothered by the vague answer Naomi gives Snake when he asks her how long he has left to live? Clearly he's fine and doesn't die until ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' (and that's because of old age mutating the Foxdie virus), so what happened? Did Naomi not program the virus to kill Snake? I'm seriously confused! Also, the virus killed Baker and Decoy Octopus right away when they were exposed to it but took way longer to kill Liquid, so what the heck is going on?!

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\n* Hello, just finished the game a couple hours ago, and am I the only one SERIOUSLY bothered by the vague answer Naomi gives Snake when he asks her how long he has left to live? Clearly he's fine and doesn't die until ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' (and that's because of old age mutating the Foxdie FOXDIE virus), so what happened? Did Naomi not program the virus to kill Snake? I'm seriously confused! Also, the virus killed Baker and Decoy Octopus right away when they were exposed to it but took way longer to kill Liquid, so what the heck is going on?!



* Why limit Solid Snake's equipment to what he can obtain on-site? The manual to the previous game explains this is normal operating procedure for Fox-Hound to maintain plausible deniability: They commonly handle operations that the United States government cannot be shown to be officially involved in, and high-end military equipment could be traced back to U.S. military if it fell to enemy hands. This makes sense. However, there is no reason to apply this policy for Shadow Moses. First, this is government forces working to suppress criminal activity on their own soil. There is absolutely zero need to hide their involvement. Second, it would be impossible to maintain anonymity because the place is full of people who can recognize Snake by appearance!
** I think the manual mentioned that it was the fact that most of the equipment could not fit in that small submarine torpedo that snake was launched out of in the opening. Also, what they need to keep secret here isn't that Foxhound has gone rouge but that Metal Gear Rex and the genome army exists. Though it is easy to miss the codec calls mention it a couple of times in the game. Like "Metal Gear is one of the most secret black projects!" and "Publicly the president has been very vocal in his opposition to genetic experiments, we don't want the existence of the genome army to go public." Basically it is less the government has to do illegal stuff in this case, but that the whole situation is an embarrassment to them.

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* Why limit Solid Snake's equipment to what he can obtain on-site? The manual to the previous game explains this is normal operating procedure for Fox-Hound FOXHOUND to maintain plausible deniability: They they commonly handle operations that the United States government cannot be shown to be officially involved in, and high-end military equipment could be traced back to U.S. military if it fell to enemy hands. This makes sense. However, there is no reason to apply this policy for Shadow Moses. First, this is government forces working to suppress criminal activity on their own soil. There is absolutely zero need to hide their involvement. Second, it would be impossible to maintain anonymity because the place is full of people who can recognize recognise Snake by appearance!
** I think the manual mentioned that it was the fact that most of the equipment could not fit in that small submarine torpedo that snake Snake was launched out of in the opening. Also, what they need to keep secret here isn't that Foxhound FOXHOUND has gone rouge but that Metal Gear Rex and the genome army exists. Though it is easy to miss miss, the codec calls mention it a couple of times in the game. Like "Metal Gear is one of the most secret black projects!" and "Publicly the president has been very vocal in his opposition to genetic experiments, we don't want the existence of the genome army to go public." Basically it is less the government has to do illegal stuff in this case, but that the whole situation is an embarrassment to them.



** The key does deactivate Rex, 'if' it's been activated. It's a one time use binary switch. Rex is off, use the key to turn it on. Rex is on, use the key to turn it off. But you can use a code to turn it on too. Baker gave up his code to Ocelot under torture and Octopus told Snake he (as Anderson) gave his code to Mantis via mind reading. So Baker and Snake are both under the impression Rex is now active and the key is needed to deactivate it. The one thing both of them fail to catch is that it makes little sense that Mantis could read Anderson's mind as nano technology to resist mind controlling exists and the DARPA cheif definitely should have something like that installed (and almost certainly did as they were trying to get his code via torture and not mind reading).

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** The key does deactivate Rex, REX, 'if' it's been activated. It's a one time use binary switch. Rex REX is off, use the key to turn it on. Rex REX is on, use the key to turn it off. But you can use a code to turn it on too. Baker gave up his code to Ocelot under torture and Octopus told Snake he (as Anderson) gave his code to Mantis via mind reading. So Baker and Snake are both under the impression Rex REX is now active and the key is needed to deactivate it. The one thing both of them fail to catch is that it makes little sense that Mantis could read Anderson's mind as nano technology to resist mind controlling exists and the DARPA cheif Chief definitely should have something like that installed (and almost certainly did as they were trying to get his code via torture and not mind reading).



** Presumably killing (or thinking he killed) Gray Fox the first time left lasting scars, and now the situation is repeating itself... to use an analogy: let's say one year ago a friend of yours asked you to help him commit suicide, and you did, and you'd been messed up about it ever since (so much so that you ''quit your job'' over it, as Snake did after Zanzibarland) and then somehow you woke up and it turned out you somehow traveled back to that very day one year ago and are reliving it all over again... would you be able to go through with it a second time, knowing what psychological hell it put you through before?

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** Presumably killing (or thinking he killed) Gray Fox the first time left lasting scars, and now the situation is repeating itself... to use an analogy: let's say one year ago a friend of yours asked you to help him commit suicide, and you did, and you'd been messed up about it ever since (so much so that you ''quit your job'' over it, as Snake did after Zanzibarland) and then somehow you woke up and it turned out you somehow time traveled back to that very day one year ago and are reliving it all over again... would you be able to go through with it a second time, knowing what psychological hell it put you through before?



*** No, he knows for a fact that Snake didn't kill him, because he's posing as Master Miller and knows what Snake knows. In fact later on, it's "Miller" who tells Snake about FoxDIE in the first place.

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*** ** No, he knows for a fact that Snake didn't kill him, because he's posing as Master Miller and knows what Snake knows. In fact later on, it's "Miller" who tells Snake about FoxDIE FOXDIE in the first place.



* [=FoxDie=] was programmed to target people with specific gene patterns. So why in the hell did Liquid think that because he would be safe if Snake didn't die? The whole problem between the Dominant/Recessive thing is that Liquid and Snake '''can't''' have the exact same genetic pattern, not unless they wanted a whole string of carbon copies in the first place, which was not what they were looking for. Sure, Naomi could, and [[{{Revenge}} would program]] the virus to kill Snake, but if a non-hostile party had programmed/injected the virus into Snake, there's no guarantee that FoxDie would kill both of them.

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* [=FoxDie=] FOXDIE was programmed to target people with specific gene patterns. So why in the hell did Liquid think that because he would be safe if Snake didn't die? The whole problem between the Dominant/Recessive thing is that Liquid and Snake '''can't''' have the exact same genetic pattern, not unless they wanted a whole string of carbon copies in the first place, which was not what they were looking for. Sure, Naomi could, and [[{{Revenge}} would program]] the virus to kill Snake, but if a non-hostile party had programmed/injected the virus into Snake, there's no guarantee that FoxDie FOXDIE would kill both of them.



** He probably thought that he, Liquid, was exposed hours ago (just before the torture scene) and still hasn't died, while Baker and Octopus died within minutes of being exposed, so between his own survival and the fact that Snake himself hasn't dropped dead either despite being exposed even earlier, he assumed FoxDIE must be faulty, perhaps due to Naomis' sabotage or just a bug.
* The thing with the shape memory alloy key always bugged the living hell out of me. Not for how gimmicky it was, after all it was a callback to [[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake MG2]], I get that. What I don’t get is what idiot at [=ArmsTech=] actually thought it was a smart idea to allow a supposed safety feature on a damn nuclear weapons platform to actually allow it to arm it? There’s a reason weapons have a failsafe, particularly nuclear weapons, and not faildeadly. Especially on a prototype! What engineer is gonna be anywhere near something that, if you’re not wanting to cause World War III, could vaporise you just because some idiot decided to trigger it on a dare? Or “oh crud, I put in the launch code, can you disarm it for me? Kthx... oh wait, I typoed on the arm code... um...”

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** He probably thought that he, Liquid, was exposed hours ago (just before the torture scene) and still hasn't died, while Baker and Octopus died within minutes of being exposed, so between his own survival and the fact that Snake himself hasn't dropped dead either despite being exposed even earlier, he assumed FoxDIE FOXDIE must be faulty, perhaps due to Naomis' Naomi's sabotage or just a bug.
* The thing with the shape memory alloy key always bugged the living hell out of me. Not for how gimmicky it was, after all it was a callback to [[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake MG2]], I get that. What I don’t get is what idiot at [=ArmsTech=] actually thought it was a smart idea to allow a supposed safety feature on a damn nuclear weapons platform to actually allow it to arm it? There’s a reason weapons have a failsafe, particularly nuclear weapons, and not faildeadly. Especially on a prototype! What engineer is gonna be anywhere near something that, if you’re not wanting to cause World War III, could vaporise vapourise you just because some idiot decided to trigger it on a dare? Or “oh crud, I put in the launch code, can you disarm it for me? Kthx... oh wait, I typoed on the arm code... um...
** Is it possible that one of the nefarious agents in the story, who wished to allow Liquid and his team to gain access to REX, were able to backdoor-program this anti-feature into it as a means of said access, unbeknownst to the main engineers? Potentially, anyway.



* I don't understand Ocelot's ultimatum to Snake during the torture sequence. If Snake resists the torture, Ocelot promises not to kill Meryl; if Snake gives in and tells Ocelot everything he knows, Ocelot promises to kill Meryl. Surely Ocelot should want to incentivize Snake to give in?

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* I don't understand Ocelot's ultimatum to Snake during the torture sequence. If Snake resists the torture, Ocelot promises not to kill Meryl; if Snake gives in and tells Ocelot everything he knows, Ocelot promises to kill Meryl. Surely Ocelot should want to incentivize incentivise Snake to give in?



* Something weird I never noticed anyone talking about. They mention that the base was taken over 5 hours before the briefing in the original Metal Gear Solid. But apparently Psycho Mantis had the idea for manipulating snake by impersonating Master Miller after they killed the Darpa Chief. But later on, it was said that Master Miller's body was discovered at his home with at least three days of decay. So that leaves us only three options.
1.) Foxhound killed the Darpa Chief three days before the attack was reported and the gave their demands to the government. Unlikely since the government was in constant contact with Armstech and their soldiers on the base.

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* Something weird I never noticed anyone talking about. They mention that the base was taken over 5 hours before the briefing in the original Metal Gear Solid. But apparently Psycho Mantis had the idea for manipulating snake Snake by impersonating Master Miller after they killed the Darpa DARPA Chief. But later on, it was said that Master Miller's body was discovered at his home with at least three days of decay. So that leaves us only three options.
1.) Foxhound killed the Darpa DARPA Chief three days before the attack was reported and the gave their demands to the government. Unlikely since the government was in constant contact with Armstech [=ArmsTech=] and their soldiers on the base.



2.) Liquid and Foxhound's kidnapping and killing of the Darpa Chief when unnoticed by Baker, Otacon, the genome soldiers and Maryl for 3 days. Very unlikely, and it is obvious not everyone was in on this.

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2.) Liquid and Foxhound's kidnapping and killing of the Darpa DARPA Chief when unnoticed by Baker, Otacon, the genome soldiers and Maryl for 3 days. Very unlikely, and it is obvious not everyone was in on this.
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Anyone got an explanation for this? If there is something I missed can you please tell me?

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Anyone got an explanation for this? If there is something I missed can you please tell me?me?
**IIRC in the novelisation, there's specifically a page or two showing Miller getting taken out by Liquid's men. Can only assume this is a genuine oversight by the script-writers. Probably the "he's been dead for at least three days" line was added in to emphasise that Snake had been talking to Liquid all along and that Master wasn't taken out during the mission.
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** As Liquid understands it, it was sorta like in ''Film/{{Twins}}'' where they made Snake out of the inferior genes left over from Big Boss. But Liquid's a dope when it comes to genetics, and fact is there was no "inferior" clone, it was just a bunch of BS fed to Liquid to give him an inferiority complex.

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** As Liquid understands it, it was sorta like in ''Film/{{Twins}}'' ''Film/Twins1988'' where they made Snake out of the inferior genes left over from Big Boss. But Liquid's a dope when it comes to genetics, and fact is there was no "inferior" clone, it was just a bunch of BS fed to Liquid to give him an inferiority complex.



*** They don't actually say that Liquid and Snake were superior / inferior "on purporse" in the game either. It could well have been ''exactly'' like ''Film/{{Twins}}'', except less "Arnie and deVito" and more "Arnie and Stallone".

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*** They don't actually say that Liquid and Snake were superior / inferior "on purporse" in the game either. It could well have been ''exactly'' like ''Film/{{Twins}}'', ''Film/Twins1988'', except less "Arnie and deVito" and more "Arnie and Stallone".
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** Ocelot doesn't care one bit about any info Snake may give to him (he is a double agent, so he already knows everything), all he wants is to have fun with the torture session so he puts the incentive on the option that will make it last longer.

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** Ocelot doesn't care one bit about any info Snake may give to him (he is a double agent, so he already knows everything), all he wants is to have fun with the torture session so he puts the incentive on the option that will make it last longer.longer.
*Something weird I never noticed anyone talking about. They mention that the base was taken over 5 hours before the briefing in the original Metal Gear Solid. But apparently Psycho Mantis had the idea for manipulating snake by impersonating Master Miller after they killed the Darpa Chief. But later on, it was said that Master Miller's body was discovered at his home with at least three days of decay. So that leaves us only three options.
1.) Foxhound killed the Darpa Chief three days before the attack was reported and the gave their demands to the government. Unlikely since the government was in constant contact with Armstech and their soldiers on the base.

2.) Liquid and Foxhound's kidnapping and killing of the Darpa Chief when unnoticed by Baker, Otacon, the genome soldiers and Maryl for 3 days. Very unlikely, and it is obvious not everyone was in on this.

3.) Master Miller died of unrelated circumstances three days prior, somehow Liquid knew this and decided on this disguise at the last minute.

Anyone got an explanation for this? If there is something I missed can you please tell me?

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* The thing with the shape memory alloy key always bugged the living hell out of me. Not for how gimmicky it was, after all it was a callback to [[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake MG2]], I get that. What I don’t get is what idiot at [=ArmsTech=] actually thought it was a smart idea to allow a supposed safety feature on a damn nuclear weapons platform to actually allow it to arm it? There’s a reason weapons have a failsafe, particularly nuclear weapons, and not faildeadly. Especially on a prototype! What engineer is gonna be anywhere near something that, if you’re not wanting to cause World War III, could vaporize you just because some idiot decided to trigger it on a dare? Or “oh crud, I put in the launch code, can you disarm it for me? Kthx... oh wait, I typoed on the arm code...um...”
* In an optional codec call with Master Miller, Snake comments that he has no sense of smell. Later on in the game, he comments at the stench coming from [[spoiler: the corpse of the DARPA Chief]]. More likely a throwaway joke about not being able to smell in a game than anything else.

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* The thing with the shape memory alloy key always bugged the living hell out of me. Not for how gimmicky it was, after all it was a callback to [[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake MG2]], I get that. What I don’t get is what idiot at [=ArmsTech=] actually thought it was a smart idea to allow a supposed safety feature on a damn nuclear weapons platform to actually allow it to arm it? There’s a reason weapons have a failsafe, particularly nuclear weapons, and not faildeadly. Especially on a prototype! What engineer is gonna be anywhere near something that, if you’re not wanting to cause World War III, could vaporize vaporise you just because some idiot decided to trigger it on a dare? Or “oh crud, I put in the launch code, can you disarm it for me? Kthx... oh wait, I typoed on the arm code... um...”
* In an optional codec call with Master Miller, Snake comments that he has no sense of smell. Later on in the game, he comments at the stench coming from [[spoiler: the corpse of the DARPA Chief]]. More likely What's this about? Possibly a throwaway joke about not being able to smell in a game than game... as opposed to anything else.else?



* Occasionally when you're in a cardboard box, the guards will say "Get out of the way!" and then uncover you. Soooo... which scenario is dumber: the guards giving Snake a chance arm fight back instead of shooting the box while he's just sitting there, or the guards seriously expecting the box to move ''before'' knowing that there's someone inside?

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* Occasionally when you're in a cardboard box, the guards will say "Get out of the way!" and then uncover you. Soooo... which scenario is dumber: the guards giving Snake a chance arm to fight back instead of shooting the box while he's just sitting there, or the guards seriously expecting the box to move ''before'' knowing that there's someone inside?inside?
** Maybe they assume there's a rat (as in a literal rodent) or something inside the box, which would cause it to move around.



** Ocelot doesn't care one bit about any info Snake may give to him (he is a double agent, so he already knows everything), all he wants is to have fun with the torture session so he puts the incentive on the opotion that will make it last longer.

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** Ocelot doesn't care one bit about any info Snake may give to him (he is a double agent, so he already knows everything), all he wants is to have fun with the torture session so he puts the incentive on the opotion option that will make it last longer.
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** It is making reference to the gameplay of Metal Gear Solid 2 being infused with Metal Gear Solid, they both have the same general controls now. It is not saying that Twin Snakes has both Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2 on a single disc.
* Part of Gray Fox's backstory for this installment involves him literally getting resurrected by Dr. Clark and his team. So, yeah: science figures out how to bring someone back from death...and the process is never repeated or discussed again.

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** It is making reference to the enhanced gameplay features of Metal Gear Solid 2 being infused fused with Metal Gear Solid, Solid's story and general gameplay, for example they both have the same general controls now. It is not saying that Twin Snakes has both Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2 on a single disc.
* Part of Gray Fox's backstory for this installment instalment involves him literally getting resurrected by Dr. Clark and his team. So, yeah: science figures out how to bring someone back from death...and the process is never repeated or discussed again.

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