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Roxanne and Bernard
- I know this movie lives on Rule of Funny (a child grows up in a cell?), but really; how come Roxanne didn't realize "Bernard" was really Megamind? The voice, the posture, the attitude... didn't she find odd that Bernard had changed so dramatically?
- Well she didn't know the real Bernard at all, so she just thought she was seeing a new side to him. Alternatively, Metro Man's death really affected her, and seeing someone else react similarly was familiar to her. It didn't seem strange that he was so emotional about it because she was so emotional about it.
- Also, remember that Roxanne didn't know Megamind on a personal, friendly level either - just as the villain who was always kidnapping her. Somebody kidnapping you doesn't give you a great opportunity to get to know them.
- I thought it was pretty clear that she initially didn't know Bernard that well either. Let's face it, he was a rather rude and snappy guy who worked at a museum that she frequented, it's not like they were best friends or anything before Megamind started impersonating him. She happened to know his name, but the fact that she mispronounced it suggested she didn't really know him that well. For all she knew, he hasn't changed at all, this was just how he was when you got to know him. She doesn't suspect he's Megamind because she has no real reason to suspect that, because she doesn't know he's changed at all.
- Plus, as Bernard, Megamind is talking normally, like he would to Minion or his Brainbots. Roxanne only knows Megamind as the Incoming Ham with No Indoor Voice. It's a huge stretch to go from "WELL I BET YOU WEREN'T EXPECTING THIS!" to "Oh...I was speed-walking nearby..."
- Am I the only one that thought Roxanne not wanting Megamind as he was, but once he had a Heel–Face Turn, a tad annoying? "Remember kids, if the person you like isn't how you like them, with enough effort, you can change them!" What.
- I dunno dude(tte), Megamind seemed to enjoy his job and I really just got a vibe that he only changed because of her. Besides, the fight with Titan was just a "clean up the mess I made" sort of fight. It really just reminded this troper of comic book villains getting rid of an unwanted result. YMMV I guess.
- I think the reason was the shock at finding out her new boyfriend was the very villain that had always kidnapped her. Not to mention her pointed list about his content form her point of view: Killing Metro Man even though he really didn't, taking over the city, and tricking her into caring for him. Her look back as she left and her expression at his comments about not getting the girl I think proved she did like the real Megamind beneath the whole hammy villain act. All the Heel–Face Turn did was allow them to be together without the watch.
- His training of Hal showed that Megamind totally loves the superhero/supervillain dynamic, and just wants to be a part of it, regardless of which side he's on. Being a good guy just lets him win, and he's Genre Savvy enough to realize this. Like a dedicated pro wrestler, he just loves the business, regardless of if he's playing a face or a heel. This is highlighted when he says that Hal isn't even a supervillain, just a regular villain that happens to have superpowers. It's all part of the game for him. In this way, he's almost like a caped version of Hates the Job, Loves the Limelight. It's also why he's indigant that Hal isn't acting like either a proper superhero (i.e. Hal only caring about himself and using his powers for selfish purposes) or a proper supervillain (because a proper supervillain is more concerned with the style and image than actual evil deeds).
- Regarding her not wanting him as he was, if you watch carefully, she actually starts to forgive him well before he completes his Heel–Face Turn. She lets him into her apartment, even though the last time they spoke was when she broke up with him, and some of the looks she gives him when they go to find Metro Man imply that she's slowly cooling off from her initial, completely reasonable anger over his deception.
- Also don't forget that the movie makes the point to show that Megamind didn't become a villain because he's a bad person, it's because every earnest attempt to be liked backfired so much that he decided to be 'bad with style'. Roxanne even says things would have been different if they went to the same school, and it most likely would have been; if he had just one person like him for who he was then, then he wouldn't be a villain now. In a sense, Megamind turning good really is him being himself, instead of taking the role that everyone expected of him.
- What? You're seriously mad at her for not wanting to be with him while he was a supervillain, terrorizing the city, after killing except not really Metro Man, after he lied to her? This isn't the same as not liking someone because of the way they dress, or they've got an annoying habit- he's a villain! Him changing (or, if you prefer, being the person he really is) shows that he really does care about people and that he's not evil. And that him caring for her wasn't an act, which she seemed to think it was.
- The thing about Be Yourself as a trope, the problem with it that people don't tend to get at times is, well, to be blunt there might be problems with 'yourself' that need to be addressed and improved. 'Yourself' might not actually be very good at all. You at times actually may need to improve and change 'yourself' to get what you want. There's no point in saying 'love me for who I am' if 'who I am' is a complete asshole — and, let's face it, for all that he had a good core underneath, Megamind very clearly was an asshole, at least to some degree. He was still a supervillain who terrorized the city and kidnapped and lied to Roxanne, so it's not unreasonable that Roxanne might view that as a bit of a stumbling block to starting a relationship with him, and that he might need to change that aspect of himself if he was to get anywhere with her..
- Also, I'll point out the OP has it backward. Roxanne didn't change Megamind so she would like him. Megamind decided to change himself. He saw that who and what he was was keeping him from being with the person he wanted to be with, so he changed in a positive way — like getting into shape because you realize the girl you like doesn't want to be with a fat slob.
- If it was just about change and ignoring who Megamind was, Roxanne would not have twisted the watch after Megamind scared Titan off as Metro Man - also prior to being rumbled, Megamind does start to consider genuinely improving the city as a result of actual positive social interaction which he's never really had before. In some respects his "make-a-hero" scheme is just a way to try and return to a dynamic he knows out of fear of things changing. Plus he'd already wrecked the town and found that the satisfaction of destruction is quite short lived.
- Does Megamind's hologram projector watch cause changes to the subject's voice or not? When he tricks the Warden into wearing the watch, it gives him Megamind's voice as well (not likely that he used the voice on purpose). Later, he has to do the voice of Bernard (and can even drop the voice at times). That goes against how it originally worked.
- Maybe when Megamind was scanning Bernard, he forgot to record his voice? Perhaps the reason as to why he had the Warden's voice down because it had recorded what he was saying.
- When the Warden takes the watch, Megamind asks him for the time — obliquely asking him to hold the watch up to his face and speak - and a little 'rec.' light flashes on the watch face. He doesn't have the time to do the same to Bernard.
Breaking and entering
- So Megamind crashes into a jail and is automatically a prisoner for "breaking and entering", but what kind of Kangaroo Court sentences a 6 month old for that!!?!!
- One who is unsure of how to deal with an alien baby?
- The way he can remember things from the time that he was eight days old would imply that Megamind was pretty coherent for a baby. If he could talk, they probably didn't realize how young he was until they'd already sentenced him (could have thought that his species just looked sort of baby-ish). Still doesn't explain everything, but, that's probably the goofiest part of the whole film.
- At least one of the reasons for his incarceration was probably because, even as a baby, he was able to build a death-tricycle out of numberplates and lead a prison breakout.
- Rule of Funny, period
- The prisoners wanted to keep him, obviously!
- Like the above. An alien crashed into the prison. The prisoners rather liked it, and nobody was quite sure what else to do with a baby alien besides keeping him locked up somewhere.
- Megamind might have been a baby, but he clearly had adult intelligence to some degree (see: the death-tricycle and prison breakout) mentioned above. As such, they probably deemed it appropriate to treat him as an adult, to some degree at least.
- It bothers me that people accuse Titan of being evil. He was more like Chaotic Stupid; While he did turn into a Jerkass, one with powers that made him dangerous, he was a victim of circumstances- he got the powers by accident, was told he could be a hero and that it would get him the girl, then she rejected him and dated a dork instead (from his POV) and his "mentor" turned out to be a villain, who mocked him to his face about it- such stuff would drive anyone mad. Sure he decided to be a villain intentionally, but even then the destruction he caused was more out of his lack of concern for people than acts of true, sadistic evil.
- I think this was actually part of the central point of the movie. Titan was evil. In fact, he was the only truly evil character in the whole film. The movie contrasted Megamind - who was the traditional cartoon villain, but actually good deep down — with Titan, who was a bit of a jerk right from the start (his creepy stalker tendencies, dishonesty, obviously self-absorbed nature...) and became a full villain when given half a chance by Megamind. The movie was telling its audience — "if you want to see a villain when you leave this theatre, don't look for someone weird or 'different' (like young Megamind) — look for a normal, everyday jerk, and imagine what they'd do if they had super-powers..." It's telling that one of the Titan's first villainous acts was using his super-powers to steal random things he wanted. That's where villainy comes from in real life — selfishness, greed, and a willingness to abuse power to get what you want without caring about how this affects anyone else... I think this was one of the film's main Aesops, and I think it was actually quite well done.
- Hal seemed like a jerk before his powers. Self-centered, self-entitled, childish and not too bright. In fact, he's the kind of guy who would be a bully but for the detail that he's lazy and unmotivated. Then he gets amazing powers. If you give an asshole powers, it just makes them even more of an asshole. Hal was invincible, he got a measure of heroic training from Megamind, but he was still too lazy to stop playing his games and help people. And when Megamind tried to get a response by telling him everything, it shows us what he does when angry - he throws a tantrum.
- Also, he stole those things BEFORE the point where he was presented with some ugly truths. While there's never any guarantee that somebody will use new superpowers for evil, it's a pretty risky business and a huge responsibility which Roxanne knew Hal wasn't smart enough or good enough to handle.
- Hal had the right to be unhappy that Roxanne rejected him, but he clearly refused to accept it and respect that she didn't like him that way, even though she never gave him a reason to think she did, and his immediate response to her rejecting him was to drop any pretense of being a good guy at all and offer to team up with the villain who'd taken over the city. Also, he puts her life at risk multiple times in a span of seconds, just so he can "save" her. Megamind as Space Dad does say that he can get the girl as a hero, but someone who's actually good wouldn't have thought that meant to almost kill the girl in order to save her, and the idea would never have crossed their mind. Besides, a girl choosing to date someone who's not you is not a good reason to act evil.
- Not caring if people get hurt because of your action IS evil. As for sadistic, go back and watch the scene where they're doing the training with the wax Megamind. He melts the figure's head away with a big grin on his face. Yes, it's played for comedy at the time, but it sure as heck isn't when he tries it later...
Dehydration gun and Titan
- With as much exposure Megamind's dehydration gun got throughout the movie, to the point that he called his use of it an "old habit", why did he never even consider using it on Titan? He's still made of water, isn't he?
- Presumably his powers made him immune to its effects. Otherwise Megamind would have dehydrated Metro Man, too, at some point in their rivalry.
- Or one could presume that dehydrating Metro Man would simply turn him into the strongest blue cube in the universe, kinda like Vegito in Dragon Ball.
- And an invulnerable blue cube that can FLY could still do a lot of damage. If you think stepping on a Lego in bare feet is painful, imagine getting punched in the face with one at high speed....
- In the aerial shot◊ of the Death Ray firing, the beam quite obviously strikes in the locale of Cadillac, Michigan, implying that this is the location of Metro City. This is problematic for several reasons:
- The observatory, and Metro City itself, is depicted as being coastal, yet the beam strikes several miles inland.
- Roxanne's station's call letters are KMCP, a designation not possible in Michigan as all eastern US stations have call letters beginning with "W". "K" implies western US.
- Could be that she works for a station that's based out west, but is assigned to cover news from Metro City. That would explain why we never see her go in to a studio or report back to her bosses: she and Hal are operating on their own.
- Metro Man and Megamind landed on earth around Christmastime, yet there was no snow on the ground. A rarity in Michigan, especially on the lakeshore.
- This is just a guess, but considering there are superheroes and supervillains; people can survive being thrown around by someone with superstrength without even getting injured; it's possible to dehydrate someone to a tiny cube without killing them; and everyone is computer generated, don't you think this story might not take place in the real world? That explains unusual weather and call letters. You still have a point on the coastal thing though.
- Word of God says that Metro City was heavily inspired by San Francisco. Not necessarily based off of it, but heavily inspied by nonetheless.
- The DVD commentary, on the other hand, calls Metro City something like "The sister city of Toronto; a Great Lakes metropolis", so its Michigan depiction appears to be intentional (unfortunately, when the Death Ray is fired in Button of Doom, it's shown striking north of Saginaw Bay rather than the Lake Michigan coast, so where in Michigan is still up in the air).
- Why didn't Metro Man use his superspeed to avoid being seen by Roxanne and Megamind? Did he suddenly forget about it?
- His expression was one of pure shock, so he was probably too startled to think to use it.
- He looked like he could barely think of trying to sneak away.
- Since the whole point of him faking his death and going under the radar was because he was sick of being a superhero, it's possible he's made a conscious decision not to use his powers.
- Really inconsequential, but at the end, right after the credits gag of Bernard getting re-hydrated, the credits start rolling again, and you can see the characters and who voiced them - someone spelled Titan as Tighten. Usually something like that wouldn't bug me, but Titan's name was spelled out several times throughout the movie; why didn't anyone notice? Does that mean his name is really Tighten, or Titan?
- Originally, his name was Titan (as he was named by Megamind,) but because he had never seen it spelled, and he's not really all that bright, he personally spelled it "Tighten", which can be seen when he carves "Tightenville" into the ground. So, really, he can be referred to either way.
- Well Space Dad did say it was the only name he could trademark, and the name "Titan" has been trademarked before. My guess is the name that the actual creators of the movie use, (and the character himself at one point) is the correct one.
- Okay, so Hal's a moron, but why did the credits list him as Tighten? It even shows up in a number of the DVD extras that way...
- I don't know, as a joke?
- To make his spelling mistake a Meaningful Rename, I presume.
- Hal was supposed to be the hero Titan but became the villain instead, so we could say his name was corrupted like he was by his powers.
- Brick Joke!
- Subtitles actually have him named "Tighten" as well. Presumably, this was what the creators originally intended, hence the trademark quip.
Show and tell
- What really bugs me is the beginning, particularly the part where young Megamind tries to make the popp-ed corn. It's like, show and tell or something, right? So he shows them his awesome robot and tries to make popcorn so they'll like him, only it explodes. Metroman puts out the fire, flies Magamind over to the corner and flies back to the desk for a gold star. He didn't ask the teacher about any of this. Sure, putting out the fire, you need to do that. But then, it's like if you were painting a picture and spilled paint on the floor. Would you get a time-out and the person who sent you there get a gold star? I think not. You'd get told to clean up your mess and that's about it. And the look on his face when he's doing to too! It like 'I'm getting a gold star now! Aren't I?' Then he winks at the teacher. It makes me want to punch him in the face. Plus, that whole school seems to consist of people (including the teacher) sitting around and watching Metroman show off. AND, you notice how Megamind says he's always picked last for everything? Who is doing the picking? Metroman. AGAIN. So really Metroman brought it upon himself. By being an asshole.
- Metro Lad was a spoiled brat that got everything on a silver platter. He was the (adopted) son of a very wealthy or well-to-do man and the teacher (and the class as a whole) was obviously favoring the special golden boy over the weird bizarre kid from prison. It didn't help matters that Metro Lad looked perfectly human while Kid Mind was so obviously alien. It was a case of "Us versus Them" with the leader of "Us" being a child Adonis. But yeah, it really bugged me how all through the movie, Metro Man (as a baby, child, and an adult) would wink and preen and posture.
- There's also the fact Megamind may also be an unreliable narrator. since all of the movie except the very end is a flashback.
- The images in flashbacks are generally thought to be true especially if the narration barely matches up. Given, Megamind might have a scewed memory, he might not have seem everything, but this is at least how he remembers his childhood, or how his childhood actually happened. Actually its the images not his words which accuse Metroman and the teacher of anything wrong.
- Also, the narration doesn't always match up with what we see. During the intro, Megamind tried to paint his rivalry with Metro Man as not being very one-sided, when the papers and Metro Man's powers, plus his disbelief when he "succeeds" in killing Metro Man, imply that their usual encounters involve a curb. The narration is unreliable; the visuals are accurate.
- Also, if you think about it, this is essentially a clear childhood parallel to what a grown-up superhero does; after all, no one asks the superhero to stop a disaster and bring the perpetrator to jail, but they do so anyway; similarly, the teacher didn't ask Metro Boy to put out the fire - which, let's be fair, is a bit different to spilling paint - and send Kid Megamind to 'quiet time' (the obvious childhood parallel to jail), but like any superhero Metro Boy took the initiative.
- Metro Man was learning The Itzy Bitzy Spyder at this point. He's to young to know better without being told. The teacher was as bad as him or anyone else in the class, so he wasn't told. He grew up at least by the end of the movie.
- Would Metro Man's issues have been avoided if he'd been Clark Kenting from the beginning, rather than permanently after faking his death?
- Quite probably; it's been clearly established in the comics that at least one of the reasons Superman isn't Superman 24/7 is to essentially keep himself sane and give him some downtime from solving all the world's problems. It looks like Metro Man, however, never really had that option - unlike Clark Kent, who arrived in a fairly isolated location and was adopted by a fairly low-key couple, both of which enabled him to develop an identity outside of the public eye, Metro Man landed pretty much on the doorstep of a very wealthy and presumably very publicly exposed couple and seems to have revealed his powers early on; he's probably been well-known for having superpowers all his life.
- Does Megamind believe in God? When he's trying to get Titan to fight him, he says something like 'Oh God, you don't know how much I've missed this'. idk, I was just wondering. Does his planet have religions like Earth or what?
- He's been on Earth almost all his life and learned Earth concepts, including religion and/or the terms "Oh my God", etc.
- The uttering of phrases like "Oh my God" is simply a cultural convention in the west, one that's used by both the religious and the non-religious alike. Really, from the film we have no way of knowing if Megamind is religious.
- You're right that we don't know whether Megamind is religious or not, but uttering "oh, God" is not just a cultural convention. It can actually be used seriously.
- Even heavy atheists use "Oh God" as an exclamation occasionally; thus Megamind using it does not indicate anything about him being religious or not.
- Megamind grew up in a prison, and would certainly have heard God referenced in many different contexts by the inmates. Heck, it's probably only because it's a kid-friendly movie that he doesn't cuss all the time, too.
- Does he ever say that? I thought the line was simply "Oh, how I've missed this!". I don't think he says God at all throughout the movie.
- There's also a funny moment in which Minion assures Megamind that his parents are smiling from "evil heaven."
- Why didn't Megamind use what he thought was Metro Man's skeleton for DNA extraction? It should have been a more obvious choice instead of dandruff. It seems like the only reason was because Megamind would have immediately figured out Metro Man wasn't dead thus ruining the plot.
- This is addressed in the commentary of the DVD. They made a shot where the skeleton turns to dust, but they scrapped it after they saw it because it wasn't necessary.
- Except for the fact that it obviously was necessary, given that this troper had the exact same question. Her annoyance at this is in fact further compounded by the fact that the commentators specifically said that 'Nobody was asking that question!'
- You actually can't get DNA from bones — they're made of calcium, which has no DNA. You can get DNA from bone marrow, but since it was actually a skeleton used as an anatomy model, all the bone marrow would have been removed long before Metro Man used it as a decoy. In other words, the skeleton had no biomatter to extract DNA from.
- Moreover, Megamind got freaked out at the sight of the skull, and was never a skull-and-bones-motif villain to begin with. He probably took the cape as a trophy, and let Roxy take the skeleton away to give it a proper burial.
- There's also Rule of Funny to consider here. After all, if you had to choose any kind of cells to extract DNA from, can you think of anything less dignified than someone's dandruff?
- How the hell did Roxanne manage to place all those little bits of paper just like that in her apartment so they lined up the way they did? That's ridiculous for two reasons: 1) She would've had to get every single scrap if paper from Megamind's lair, which she obviously didn't, and 2) Megamind created Titan by accident, beyond the whole, "Here, I have a gun to create a new super hero..." Hal was an accident, and there was no guarantee he would turn out the way he did. "Titan" as a name was an afterthought, it seemed...
- 1. I personally just assumed that she was recreating Megamind's rather idiosyncratic method of mind-mapping writ-small - note that when she's infilitrated his lair she takes a few photos of the set up he's got going. She gets a general idea of the set up and positioning of the various papers from there and replicates it as best she can with what she's got. 2. Megamind gave the powers to Hal by accident, but it was always his plan to create a new superhero; presumably he came up with the 'Titan' identity before he decided who he was going to give the powers to, and came up with a rough impression of what the end result would look like beforehand. He probably trademarked the identity in advance. Could also be that his scheme was based on one of the 'battles we'll never get to have' that he alluded to when he was tearfully taking to the Metro Man statue, which he adapted to new circumstances.
- I personally thought Hal rearranged the papers like that himself, as a way of providing a 'sign' to Roxie... look, date this guy! Even fate says so! Plus it's exactly the sort of creepy thing he'd do.
- I figured she did it because she knew Megamind was a mad genius, so she thought setting it up like he had would give her a better insight into his plan. And whaddaya know, it did!
- Wasn't she working with Bernard at this time? You know, the guy Megamind was impersonating!? He could have easily hinted to her how it should really be set up.
- In light of their romantic chemistry, it could also be suggesting that Roxanne and Megamind are more similar than they realize; perhaps Roxanne shares Megamind's idiosyncratic method of mind-mapping. She just doesn't realize fully what she's actually doing until she 'takes a step back'.
- Regarding Metro Man faking his death: since he basically made it look like Megamind killed him, wouldn't he be guilty of framing Megamind for murder? Granted, Megamind is a super-villain with a mile-long rap sheet and nobody would realistically take his side, but you really can't prosecute him for something he didn't really do.
- Well the people of Metro City never really got the chance to prosecute Megamind for the murder of Metro Man prior to the end of the film, did they? Someone else described Megamind's situation at the end of the film as being a lifetime of community service for his past transgressions, and even without the murder of Metro Man, Megamind is still "condemned" to be a hero for the rest of his life by the 88 life sentences he already had, thus the question of prosecuting him for the murder of Metro Man is rather a moot point, something the people of Metro City probably realised and thus didn't bother with either.
- I always assumed that Roxanne made it clear that Metro Man wasn't really dead, but for old time's sake held off from revealing where he really was or what he was really doing. Plus, everyone worshipped the ground the guy flew over and (in some cases literally) kissed his feet when he was juggling babies in mid-air; one suspects that Metro Man would have to do a lot worse to get the people of Metro City to have him arrested and jailed.
Dotting the i
- When flying above the city and writing his name with his laser vision, Titan/Tighten takes special care to dot the second 'i' in 'Tightenville'—but the first 'i' remains undotted.
- Hal isn't exactly the smartest or most careful of men; chances are he doesn't really care. Although he might have been about to do the first one when Roxanne distracted him.
- He's not even smart enough to spell Titan correctly, in fact!
- Why does Megamind not know what a window is? This troper can understand his mispronunciation of various words and acknowledges that neither his prison nor the evil lair have windows, but surely Megamind has been exposed to other things that have windows, like his old schoolhouse and the invisible car. The animators just took it a little too far with this one.
- Dunno about the car, but he spend most of his time at school in the corner or being bullied by the other kids, so probably didn't have time to learn about windows. I got the feeling that he was only there for a few days tops.
- It's a weak explanation, but when in the car, the scenery is obviously always changing, so Megamind might not think it as any different from his monitors.
- Actually, his evil lair does have windows, apparently! (Pic◊) Weak explanation again, but maybe he just never had time for them.
- This is ridiculous. A window is such a universal CONCEPT, there is no way a person in a city with access to media will not know what it is.
- It's just a movie, dude; you really should relax.
- Megamind surely is familiar with windows. After a lifetime spent in prison or breaking into banks and other secure facilities, however, windows without bars may be a strange idea for him to wrap his head around.
- Another explanation: Perhaps Megamind has a room much like that with a desk and a big chair, but with monitors behind him instead of windows. (And I know plenty of villains have such rooms, like Blofeld from James Bond.) When he enters the room, he immediately thinks of that room that the thought those panels aren't monitors never occurs to him. If this is true, then Minion says they're windows sarcastically. Megamind simply reacts with wonder and amazement, neither confirming nor denying he knows what a window is.
- Megamind's entire personality is theatrical, and I considered this scene just an extension of that. Just like Minion makes a big show of being 'dead', Megamind is making a big show of not knowing what a window is in order to contrast his prison upbringing from Metroman's mansion; he's basically going "What is this thing, this thing that you call freedom?" in an overly melodramatic fashion.
- I think the idea just above this post is more or less correct. Megamind himself states "I've never had a view before." Meaning he understood what a window was, his had always just been very high up on his lairs and none in his prison cell. It's showing that due to the hand fate dealt him, he's never had a chance to enjoy the things we take for granted.
- When Roxanne meets Megamind in his Bernard disguise after infiltrating his lair, he directs her toward a door marked 'Exit.' Later on in the same scene, we learn that this door actually leads to a sheer drop above a pit full of alligators. So why on Earth did he tell her to go there? Did he forget? Was he planning to kidnap her again or something?
- He probably just wanted to scare her out of his lair. When she did go in there later, he pulled her back out, so he obviously wasn't planning to kill her or anything.
- Possibly because he knew she was on the hunt for some kind of "scheme" and hoped that the stuff behind the Exit door would lead her off the track of what he was really doing?
- The chance of impressing her with a death-trap she'd never seen before, of course! Remember that she'd been completely unimpressed with everything else the last time they met.
- He might have forgotten that that wasn't the actual exit.
- Why in the world would the city want Megamind to defeat Titan? Sure, Titan's evil, but no more so than Megamind. Especially from the viewpoint of a civilian who knew nothing of the story and Megamind's Face–Heel Turn (some might call it Villain Decay), there is absolutely nothing to cheer about when Megamind defeats Titan. All they know is they're under the thumb of a far more intelligent tyrant.
- Because Titan was more evil than Megamind; from everything we can gather, while Megamind robbed banks, kidnapped a journalist every so often and apparently killed the city's previous hero, Titan was going to destroy the entire city, something which Megamind had shown no desire or interest in doing. Put simply, the former was definitely being a dick, but the latter was worse by far.
- According to the first news-report on Titan, "the city has never seen this level of destruction", and the things we are shown do back this up to a degree - after all, Megamind marks his name in the city by painting it with blue paint all over the place, Titan marks it ''by burning it into the ground with giant letters". Megamind played darts with cars, Titan flew around the city burning everything he looked at... the far more intelligent tyrant would seem to be the safer bet.
- When Megamind takes over the city, what does he say? He makes a big theatrical display, proclaims his future reign of informed evil, and then tells everyone to "carry on with the dreary, normal things, normal people do." When Titan takes over the city, what does he do? "Oh, I wouldn't say freed. More like under new management." Then he flicks the nearest guy across the road. When Megamind is control, the city carries on with a little bit more paint and some money floating around the downtown corridor; when Titan is in control, the city evacuates; all those people fleeing the city at the end of the film are people who didn't bother to go anywhere when it was just Megamind they had to worry about, because Megamind just makes a show about being evil, whereas Titan actually is.
- Better the devil you know? Society as a whole has a short memory, and the way Megamind wasn't actually doing much particularly evil helped.
Villains and heroes
- An honest Headscratchers? This movie was trying to reinvent how you thought of "villains" and "heroes", i.e. the real villain in flaming white tights, and the real hero in spiky black leather. But the real villain, Titan, had an overweight face, crazy hair, and a permanent sneer, while the hero Megamind had huge shiny eyes and... long eyelashes? The point of the movie was to make you see past the book cover, but you can still tell who the good/bad guy is here. If titan was handsome, it would have been amazing.
- I honestly didn't know the movie was trying to reinvent the way you thought of villains and heroes. But I think most people in fandom find Titan pretty good looking. Hal doesn't look that bad, really, and Megamind is... well... an alien from outer space, you know.
- Megamind also has blue skin and a giant over-sized cranium. Let's face it; from a human perspective, he's... unconventionally handsome, shall we say.
- This Troper found them both gorgeous.
Roxanne's plot importance
- I know it's supposed to be an Affectionate Parody of the whole superhero genre, so being kidnapped repeatedly is necessary, but it still bugs be that Roxanne never gets to do anything to affect the plot beyond declare her affections for one character instead of another. The moral of the story seems to be that if you're a guy, you can change the world and you'll get the girl. If you're a girl, you're going to end up with the good guy. I realize they tried to make it seem like she was an empowered character, but honestly? She's only able to face kidnapping calmly because her entire life, that's all she's been useful for.
- Especially when she was seen holding an uprooted street sign. I wanted her to pull a Shizuo.
- It wasn't so much the male aspect as the super-powered one that made the difference, I think. Every non super-powered male got much less done than Roxanne did.
- Also, she went to go talk down Hal when he was smashing up the city, despite the fact she could have been killed. That has to count for affecting the plot.
- Roxanne doesn't actively affect the plot, but she is the catalyst for every major event. She was the one who inspired Megamind out of his funk. She was the one who later caused him to give a damn about other people. It was because of her both Megamind and Titan later went on a rampage. She was the one who again inspired Megamind to take on the hero role. She may not have changed anything herself, but if it wasn't for her, nothing would have changed.
- Okay, you're going up against people with ultra-superpowers. They're like gods. Tick them off and they'll snap you like a twig, no matter how much you maximize your natural physical strength—and you haven't done so, because you're not an athlete, you're a news anchor. All you have is your ability to persuade. So what do you do?
- Point out where the Invisible Car is in the nick of time, maybe?
- Post-movie, isn't the whole broken eternal rivalry just going to repeat itself, but in reverse now that Megamind is a superhero but has no supervillain to battle against? There's always bank robbers and such, but no major archnemesis that we know of, and I can't see him deciding to create his own villain after what happened with Titan.
- I could see him going the Vetinari route and putting all of his effort into making the city work.
- I think the problem wasn't so much that he didn't have a superhero to fight, but that he didn't have anyone to challenge him, since everyone other than Roxanne pretty much just folded once Metro Man was out of the picture (the cops and city government all surrendered and no one else was willing to take a stand against him). As a superhero, however, there's always going to be crime to fight, even if it's not quite super-villainy (and there's always a good chance that some super-villains might show up to challenge the city's new hero independently of Megamind's interference). At very least, he's not going to get bored.
- Presumably there are other supervillains in this Verse, as Megamind can't be keeping that mail-order company in Romania in business all by himself.
- Alternatively, he could be bemoaning a lack of worthy supervillains and feeling the urge to go back his old ways in the sequel (probably on the basis that the villains he fights lack the class and showmanship he had). I will be very surprised if there isn't one.
Ocean inside a bigger ocean
- So what does Roxanne mean by "his heart is an ocean inside a bigger ocean" in her Metro Man speech anyway?
- It's one of those cheesy metaphors, you know. Just like the ones Metroman and Megamind traded back and forth without making much sense.
- This troper thought it was a clumsy Titanic reference on Roxy's part.
Hal and the cell
- Did Hal really deserve to be put in Megamind's special prison cell after he was defeated? I mean, the guy doesn't even have a life, and he's very much harmless without Metro Man's powers. The least they could have done was give him some community service, right?
- According to the news-reports, he caused more destruction during his rampage through the city than Megamind had ever done - and that was before he burned "Tightenville" into the city. They're probably not going to give him community service for a while.
- They live in a comic book universe and seem at least dimly aware of this, when did a de-powered Super-Villain ever not get re-powered at some point. Super-powers are kinda like cancer, you might beat it into remission for a while, but it always comes back.
- Community Service? He is responsible for the death of at least one person (there is no way the guy driving the gas truck that tipped over and exploded survived). That's worth at least one life sentence. And with his wanton reign of destruction, it wouldn't surprise me if there were more off-screen casualties.
- This troper always thought it was for Hal's own protection. After all, he very publicly called out Megamind, did his level best to kill him, failed, and got locked up in prison. The same prison Megamind was raised in. Where he's considered family by the inmates. And now Hal's stuck there. Alone. With no powers.
- ^This. I love this. You, sir, are a delightfully evil genius.
- Where did the infusion/defusion gun go after Megamind used it to remove Titan's powers? Megamind holds it in his right hand immediately after using it. His hands are not visible while talking to Minion, but then he uses both hands to flip Minion into the pool. There is a wide shot after that, and the gun is neither strapped to Megamind nor anywhere he could have put it down nearby (the depowered Hal is also oddly not there). If Megamind had simply dropped the gun into the fountain it might not be visible in the wide shot. But that would be careless (to say the least), given that the gun, in its charged state, could be used to give Metro Man's powers to someone else, potentially creating another problem like the one Megamind and Roxanne just spent a third of the movie solving.
- Where it went, I have no idea. But I was under the impression that the gun could only give powers when it was loaded with that, for lack of a real term, glowing yellow bolt thing. He did say he'd only have one shot at it, so presumably now that the powers had already been given he'd have to make another bolt before the gun could give powers to anyone else.
- Possibly Megamind deliberately dropped it in the fountain to short out its mechanism and render it inoperable, because he'd realized that giving anybody Metro Man's powers was a bad idea.
Prison and technology
- Why did the prison allow Megamind access to a television and a remote control, given his proven facility with technology?
- Because a bored Megamind is probably worse than one lulled into complacency by channel surfing?
Throw it in
- Just confused over the Throw It In lines. Megamind's mispronunciation of words is what gives him away as the fake!Metro Man, so what was their excuse for the climax if Will Ferrel didn't think of it, I wonder...
- Probably something along the lines of the disguise watch getting damaged or accidentally shut off
- "Metrocity" was in the script, Will Ferrel made the decision to mispronounce all the other words.
- The DVD commentary specifically says that Ferrell himself came up with the "Metrocity" pronunciation. I would ASSUME he did it very early, perhaps in the test readings for casting. At such an early stage it would be quite easy to integrate that into the plot to replace whatever other reason they had for Tighten figuring out he had been played. Script changes happen frequently, even in animated films.
- Generally, the script for an animated film is completed before most of the major animation work, because if it were the other way around, the animated mouths might not sync up to the voice acting. There was likely no work done that was too valuable to redo if/when Will Ferrel gave them the idea to use that.
- The DVD commentary also mentions that they reflected his lack of formal education. Assuming he dropped out of school once he decided to become a villain, he probably had only read many words and had never heard them pronounced.
- For being socially awkward, Megamind sure is a good kisser. Is it because of his species? Or did he learn on his own? I would expect more awkwardness from him, but that may have lessened the impact of the Tear Jerker to come.
- As one who had a youth filled with social awkwardness himself, I can tell you from personal experience: He practiced on his pillow.
- Megamind was serving multiple life sentences. He's an escaped fugitive. He booted out the duly-elected government of Metro City to impose his own reign. He created the very Titan problem he eventually had to solve. So why, when the dust settled at the end, were the citizens of Metro City so quick to lionize him as a hero, and let him go unpunished?
- What are them going to do? Megamind has pretty much proven that, except for Metroman, no one else can do anything against him. Even going to jail is more of a voluntary thing ("I'm going home") than a real punishment (Not to mention he can get out any time he wants). The heat of the moment made the citizens cheer for him, and is probably that they later realized that it's better to have Megamind inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.
- It's also worth noting that we don't know how much time has passed between Megamind saving the day and his museum opening at the end; it could have been long enough for him to prove himself more than he had just at the end.
- It could be the Commander Shepard Effect, someone with a lot of authority realizes that he can do waaaaay more good out here than in there, and whenever an uppity subordinate wants to throw the book around the authority squelches the subordinate with a simple "Permission Denied."
- Not to mention the simple fact that, when the chips were down, Megamind had honestly expected to die when he confronted Tighten. For all Metro Man's popularity, he was never actually in danger when performing his past feats of heroism; realizing that the guy who'd made a career out of getting his butt kicked was still willing to stand up to a genuinely-lethal opponent may have made a lot of folks re-assess which of those old rivals had actually been brave. Certainly seeing how destructive Metro Man's powers could be in Hal's hands probably drove home just how overmatched Megamind had been, for all those years, and people are more forgiving of underdogs.
- I realize Tighten is pretty dumb, but shouldn't he have recognized his Space-Stepmom? Hal had to know who/what Minion was - after all Minion marched on up to City Hall and fumbled with a boom-box in front of everyone as Megamind took over the city. Hal was on hand filming this. It seems to me that a wig and an apron wouldn't be enough to hide a fish driving a robotic gorilla suit - even from Hal.
Frequent kidnapping card
- Why did Megamind discontinue the frequent kidnapping card? What was the reward for filling a card?
- One kidnapping ABSOLUTELY FREE!
- Presumably there wouldn't be many businesses willing to align with a supervillain to provide discounted goods for the subject of his kidnappings — particularly if, as was apparently, the case, it was just one victim.
- But Roxanne was a well-known and popular public figure. Wouldn't local businesses want to be known as being patronized by such a celebrity? In New York, for example, many businesses will put up signed photographs of celebrities who have patronized the business in the past. So wouldn't Metro City businesses want to participate in this promotion?
- They'd want to be patronized and associated with Roxanne by herself, not Megamind — who would be the one running the promotion, not Roxanne. There's a difference between putting a celebrity's photo on a wall if they frequent your establishment and aligning with a supervillain to offering people discounts based on whether or not they get held hostage by said supervillain frequently. A business participating in a 'frequent kidnapping card' is basically telling it's customers "shop here, and there's a good chance you'll be kidnapped by a supervillain" — not exactly a marketable slogan.
- I'd always assumed that it was their own version of witty banter, actually. She was just being sarcastic, but Megamind really likes that sort of thing and just went along with it.
- A frequent kidnapping program can be pretty useful viz. perhaps it gives 10% off for post-kidnaps therapy, maintains non-traceable toll-free lines to more easily relay kidnapping threats or demands, keeps and receipts extensive documentation on each kidnapping for tax relief purposes, and provides additional insurance coverage for collateral damages caused during actual kidnaps (with premiums supported by a cut of ransom payments), etc. Unfortunately, Megamind was forced to end it when it did not achieve its marketing goal i.e., the program failed to result in an increase of the number of people offering themselves to be kidnapped.
- Why was Hal uninjured when he fell over the spikes on the invisible car? You can see the spikes on the hood in the beginning when Megamind first arrives at his lair, yet later Hal rolls directly where these spikes are shown to be when the car is visible.
- Those spikes are probably made of some soft, lightweight material to avoid injuries like that and to keep the car from being weighed down.
- Or they're retractable.
- Is there any reason why the jail gave Megamind a sentence of several thousand years? First of all it is unlikely that Megamind will even be able to live out the entirety of his prison sentence (unless somehow his alien species has a life-span that long). Secondly the prison would corrode long before the several thousand years were up. Lastly how was there any way that the prison system knows for a fact that their society will even still exist that long into the future? Was that prison sentence meant to be taken seriously or is it just Rule of Funny?
- Of course it's a joke.
- The sentence was serious, they didn't know how long he'd live and wanted to make sure. If the prison did degrade he would be transferred to another prison. It's doubtful that they would let the expected term of existence of their society play into it.
- Also, there are real life cases of people getting as many as 300 life sentences. The purpose of this is so that if they get their sentence reduced, they'll still spend their entire life in jail.
- Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you are given two different sentences of jail time, you must complete the initial sentence before you can get any time off or anything, which only applies to the last sentence. I seem to recall reading a story where a judgegave a man life in prison for a triple homicide, and then separately, gave him 30 days for shoplifting that occurred later that night, just to make sure he'd never be free. It seems like anything beyond two life sentences is just a waste of everyone's time.
- Not really; handing down a few extra life sentences doesn't waste any time at all. It's not like assigning three-hundred life sentences takes any longer than assigning two life sentences, and the prisoner isn't going to be able to serve two life sentences any more than three-hundred. It's just a measurement of how abhorrent society views the crime; one life sentence means you did something very bad, two life sentences mean you did something very very bad, and three-hundred means bloody hell, you're off the charts there son.
- Moreover, the Real Life justice system doesn't stop prosecuting people for crimes just because they aren't expected to live long enough to serve out their existing sentence. Charging an already-incarcerated offender with additional crimes is necessary to close the books on those cases, and to ensure that those additional crimes' victims have their grievances heard in a court of law.
- Anybody else get the feeling that Megamind would have gotten the Super Hero he'd wanted, if he'd been a little more equal-opportunity and gone for a Super-Heroine in Roxanne? The first time I watched the movie, I thought for sure he'd pick her for the job. And she would have been AWESOME.
- Well, yes. But there's no real headscratcher in it: yes, she would have been awesome, but it would have been a drastically different story (no need for Megamind to turn good if his attempt to create a proper superhero to oppose him works perfectly).
- I'm not so sure that having Roxanne with powers would really be what Megamind wanted. Sure she'd have all the prerequisites but would super!Roxanne be willing to play the game like Metro Man did? Also how would he start the rounds since his hostage would now be nigh invulnerable and kicking his ass. No, Roxanne as the next hero of Metro City would have been the worst possible thing ever for Megamind
- Hey, a hero doesn't need to be great friends with somebody to rescue them if they're kidnapped by a nemesis. Megamind might have had to find a new person to be his hostage. Like Hal. But it's pretty obvious that Megamind doesn't handle change all that well. Maybe that's why he overlooked Roxanne. Plus, she would have looked really HOT in a female version of the Titan suit.
- It also seems to be pretty clearly implied that Megamind is in love with Roxanne throughout the movie and kidnapping her is his warped and maladjusted way of showing it and getting to spend time with her. After all, when she's tied to a chair in front of one of his devices it's a perfect opportunity to show off for her, do a bit of gloating etc — in essence, it's his version of going on a 'date' with her, while the dynamic with Metro Man is more like two performers staging a show for the crowds. Although in theory Roxanne would be a better candidate for being a better superhero, in practice this would throw the whole dynamic out of whack, and he wouldn't really be able to spend time with Roxanne the way he had previously since they'd be too busy fighting. In essence, he's letting his feelings for her get in the way.
- Moreover, while he might enjoy abducting Roxanne and tries like hell to impress her with his deathtraps, making her his new superhero-nemesis would mean he'd have to start plotting ways to hurt her. Given that he believes he just killed the invulnerable Metro Man by accident, he's hardly going to risk fighting the woman he loves under the same circumstances: for all he knows, copper wasn't Metro Man's only vulnerability, and if he chanced upon another Weaksauce Weakness, he could kill her too.
- Megamind gave superpowers to the cameraman on accident. He didn't get a chance to yet decide who he would give the powers to. Who knows? Maybe if he had more time to think about it, he would've given the powers to Roxanne.
- Where is the American Government in this whole debacle? Don't they feel worried that Mega Mind just took over a prosperous city and might do the same to another? Do they think that he is just such an ineffectual villain that he won't present any problems to national security? Did Mega Mind make a deal with the government? This bugged me a little bit.
- Maybe superheroes and villains are reasonably common in this universe (like in a comic book universe), and the feds prefer to let superpowered beings deal with superpowered problems.
- Odds are the government was rather cautious about attacking, y'know, a diabolical mastermind who'd just defeated the greatest hero in the world.
- Megamind has an orbital weapon capable of channeling the power of the sun into a comparatively precise area aimed at a high population centre, and they have no idea how close he keeps the big red button for it. The civilian casualties should they interfere would be horrendous. They'd need a small-scale invasion to take him on and look for the controls, and they'd have to hope he doesn't spot them coming. One the flipside, he seems to respect the one-on-one superhero/supervillain dynamic, so letting a lone super sort it out has a better chance of succeeding overall, not to mention preventing a lot of collateral at the same time. They might've been trying to pull strings to get a hero somewhere to come and help, but y'know, Superman Stays out of Gotham; it's plausible that many other heroes would feel uncomfortable or unprepared to take on a villain not from their own Rogues Gallery. Once Tighten starts wreaking havoc, there's a chance they'd start mobilizing a military response, since this isn't a hostage situation any more - it's terrorism. That only lasts for a day, though, which isn't long enough to create an effective response that doesn't cause more civilian casualties.
- Perhaps the government has kept tabs on the Metro Man/Megamind dynamic and realized that Megamind himself was ineffectual and more focused on the spectical than the actual crime. If there was any escalation, they probably would step in, but Megamind's plans did not change much and eventually got bored and turned to sprucing up the town instead (Roxie's suggestion, but still).
- The part where Minion says that Hal has no records he includes the line, "He has accomplished nothing." Um, last time I checked they don't hand out jobs in the media to just any goober off the street. Especially not a major TV news broadcast station. You have to go to college for that and beat out other candidates for a job, even as a camera person.
- Minion is exaggerating to make a point. The point being that Hal is a profoundly mundane person who hasn't really done anything impressive. Given what we know about him, it can be safely assumed that he most likely got below-average to average grades at school and college, isn't that great at his job and most likely hasn't excelled in any significant way or done anything of any particular note with his life. Generally, landing a decent job and gaining sufficient qualifications to enable you to do so isn't really considered to be exceptional, since that's pretty much the minimum that society expects of a functional member of society. And while a job in the media isn't exactly something to sniff at, who really pays attention to the cameraperson?
- So if the Megamind on the hoverbike was Minion, how did the dehydrator gun (used to free Roxy) get back to Megamind (used to save himself from his fall)? It's made from his binky, so it seems doubtful he has a second one.
- We lose sight of him a few times when he's chasing Titan around in his Metro Man guise; he could've slipped back to grab some gear from Minion then, just in case Titan called his bluff during the pursuit.
- Now that I look at it again, I realize that there's at least one other dehydrator used, specifically during the scene where he and minion are "cleaning up the streets", megamind has a walker-mounted dehydrator. So if he built another one for that machine, he probably does have a backup dehydrator gun that Minion used.
- Certainly by the time of the movie, he's found a way to duplicate the binky's function as a power source. The brain-bots have similar blue-glowing energy inside, as does the giant robot from "Button Of Doom".
- Why are there two punch-holes in the invisible-car's door?
- Tighten used both hands while ripping off the door.
- When did Megamind have time to scan & record Metroman for his watch?
- It's possible he recorded Metro Man at some point during the innumerable battles they've had before.
- In the scene where Metroman dies (kind of) and Megamind sees his skeleton for the first time, Roxanne is in the background tied to a chair. Later on that night when Megamind is rampaging the city and making his big speech, she is in the audience, completely free. When and how did she get free from Megamind's grasp if no one was there to save her?
- Minion probably freed her out of habit. Minion was about to release her when they thought Metroman was going to escape, so probably did after Metroman was blown up.
- There's a good chance that Megamind himself dropped her off (he didn't just let her go, since she had to find the fake observatory to discover his lair, instead of just going back to the building she escaped from) so she could join the crowd. He didn't really have any plans for her beyond using her to lure Metroman into another trap/battle, and almost certainly didn't want to actually hurt her.
- So, why did Hal suddenly gain an extremely curly afro when souped up on Metroman DNA? Before that happened, you can clearly see that he has straight hair, and it goes back to being straight when the DNA is removed. What the heck?
- Probably the easiest way to explain this is it simply being a side-effect of having super-powered alien DNA injected into him and consequently screwing around with his own DNA.
- I assumed it was just a result of the burst of power when he exploded into his new form. Y'know, like static electricity.
- What's up with the apology scene towards the end? Megamind's apologizing to who he thinks is the warden for all the bad he's done and that he wants to make it right, and then Minion disables the hologram and goes "apology accepted" as if that apology might as well have been directed at Minion himself. The thing is, Megamind's apology is simply a more extreme version of the position he had before, the one that caused Minion to abandon him in the first place. The entire reason they fought and "broke up" was because Megamind briefly thought he didn't want to be a supervillain anymore, and Minion was utterly devastated. So what on earth caused Minion to decide that, yes, being a good guy was a good idea, and that, somehow, it had been his position the entire time?
- Minion is definitely shocked that Megamind doesn't want to be a supervillain any more, but it's only when Megamind yells that he doesn't need Minion anymore that Minion storms out. Had Megamind not said that, given time, Minion could easily have come around to the new way of doing things, especially since his purpose is to look after Megamind and since he's a pretty likeable and mild-natured sort of fish to begin with. Note how, at the end, Minion is perfectly content to join the party and bask in not being a bad guy anymore. His shock is just because he's so used to Megamind's supervillain ways that he's astonished when Megamind decides he doesn't want to do that any more, and Megamind's apology wasn't about renouncing his decision to abandon supervillainy, it was about acknowledging that he'd treated Minion like crap in the process and apologising for that.
- If the watch can copy a person's likeness and powers, why didn't Megamind use it against Metro Man years ago (assuming Megamind didn't think of that)?
- Because it can't copy powers. Just appearance.
- When Megamind impersonated Metro Man, he was using his flight ability and strength to take on Titan/Tighten. Megamind is super intelligent, but he doesn't have super strength and flight.
- He was wearing rocket boots and what appeared to be extremely powerful fighting gauntlets underneath the disguise. Also worth noting that he never really got into a fight with Tighten/Titan while wearing the disguise — he basically just chased him around and let Tighten/Titan's own fear do the rest.
- They make it pretty clear that he's using the gadgets to mimic the powers, and nothing in the movie indicates the watch does anything besides alter appearance.
- Is it possible to be both a genius and a bumbling idiot? Some scenes Megamind is played off as a buffoon, other times he is shown to be super smart.
Hal a bad guy
- Was Hal really a bad guy before gaining super powers? Before he became Tighten, I saw Hal as a bumbling idiot who just wanted a girl's affections. I know a lot of guys who try way too hard to impress girls, but they aren't psychopaths or nutcases. Sure they unintentionally come off creepy just like Hal, but they are still nice guys, they're just lousy at picking up women. Also, why doesn't Roxanne take blame for him turning evil? I understand she doesn't love him, but it was stated she treated him like a nobody. Heck, she gave the real Bernard more attention. She doesn't feel guilty at all?
- He wasn't a bad guy in the sense of being an evil psychopath, but this is the whole point. The problem with so-called "nice guys" like Hal is that, while they're hardly evil, they're too often not actually as nice as they like to think they are. Scratch the surface, Hal is pretty clearly a little bit of a jerk at least. His attentions towards Roxanne clearly make her uncomfortable, he is frequently inappropriate (exhibit A: the "private party" he invites her to, complete with wedding photographer), and doesn't take 'no' for an answer when she tries to refuse him ("Soft yes on Thursday?"). He is very quick to get jealous when 'Bernard' appears on the scene and treats Roxanne in a very condescending fashion ("She doesn't understand what she's saying, she's confused..."). Yes, some of this can be put down to bumbling social ineptitude, but that's not actually much of an excuse — if you're not good at navigating social situations, then it is at least partially your responsibility to learn how to do so, it's not necessarily everyone's job to bend themselves around you. And no, none of this makes Hal evil, at least initially, but it's his reactions later in the movie which cross the line. Which brings me to...
- As for why Roxanne has little-to-no responsibility for Hal's Face–Heel Turn, that's because Hal is a grown man and is responsible for his own actions. He's not the first man to be rejected by the woman he has feelings for, but it's his decision to go on what is basically the superpowered equivalent of a temper tantrum because of it. Furthermore, "she treated him like a nobody" is a hugely unfair distortion of Roxanne's actions (note how the only person who actually claims this is Hal himself, who is far from unbiased or reliable in this particular matter). Watch how she treats him throughout the movie. Despite the fact that she's clearly discomforted by him at times, she nevertheless clearly makes an effort to be polite and kind to him, and to let him down gently. And even if she didn't — even if she did treat the original Bernard with more interest — well, frankly, that's her choice. She owes Hal nothing. Hal isn't entitled to her interest or affections, romantic or otherwise, just because he comes off as bumbling and awkward.
- If someone you would never ever want to get into a relationship with constantly forced himself on you and then blamed you for him turning into a criminal, would you agree with them? Roxanne has the right to choose whomever she's dating, regardless of whether that particular someone is nice to her or not. Metro Man was saving her on a regular basis, all the while (presumably) being helpful and polite, and the movie emphatically made a point of that this has nothing to do with romantic affection. Hal should have learned long ago to take no for an answer and leave Roxanne alone with his advances - the movie suggests that this was roughly the billionth time he asked her out, and she always put him down. While not doing anything evil per se, Hal suspiciously resembles a stalker (remember the creepy poster in his room, complete with a love note). Hal is the only one to blame here as he behaved like a small child who throws a tantrum when he's denied something. Except that this particular tantrum ended in manslaughter and severe property damage. As for treating him like dirt, that's pretty obviously Hal's own twisted interpretation of the previous events, as when we actually see them together onscreen, Roxanne shows incredible patience and sympathy towards him.
- Heck, the evident fact that she never reported his unwelcome and incessant, however low-key, advances to their superiors at the network demonstrates a great deal of forbearance on Roxanne's part. If Hal's been acting that way towards her for years, it was probably only because she felt sorry for his ineptitude that she never filed a sexual harassment complaint, or at least asked that he be transferred to some other (preferably male) reporter's team.
- Even if most guys like Hal aren't psychopaths or nutcases, it doesn't change the fact that Hal is, or at the very least that he's (presumably) more selfish off-screen than we see him be. Most of those guys in Real Life will vary wildly beyond their crushes and pseudo-stalker tendencies- yes, some of them will be basically decent people who are suffering from nothing more than severe loneliness and/or lack of social skills; others will be more neutral, and some- like Hal- will be selfish, amoral manchilds who pretend to be "nice guys" because that's what they think society expects of them, not because they actually care about it all that much. Hal might not have been an out-and-out psychopath (though he's definitely psychopathic), but he was basically a selfish brat who pretended to be a nicer person than he was, which is why when he gets superpowers the first thing he does is start robbing stuff. Like Syndrome, his idea of what a hero is revolves around having amazing powers and getting to do whatever you want, and he thinks that they only save people because they love the adulation that comes with it; unlike Syndrome, Hal doesn't give a damn about the adulation (except from Roxanne, so he has even less reason to pretend to be a hero.
- How was Metro Man planning to pursue his dream if he is believed to be dead? Does he have a Clark Kent identity in this universe? What makes Metro Man think Megamind wouldn't conquer the entire planet if he was planning to move to another state to become a musician? It would be kinda difficult to do this if your planet is under control of an evil genius.
- He's going to create a new identity for himself; in essence, he's going to create a Clark Kent-style identity for himself. And since it was pretty clear that Megamind clearly wasn't going to become much of a dictator — for all his supervillainy, when you look closely at it is Megamind's post-Metro Man pre-Titan activities were basically a large-scale robbery spree mixed with what is essentially glorified vandalism — he probably wouldn't have had too much trouble. It's not like Megamind was exercising strict censorship of the arts, after all.
- And the reason he assumes Megamind won't conquer the entire planet or anything like that is because he knows Megamind. The two have essentially been each other's closest frenemy since childhood. Metro Man knows that there's no major risk on the "potential planetary destruction or domination" front from Megamind because by this point he's familiar with Megamind and knows that ultimately Megamind's not really interested in that.
Megamind the murderer
- It really bothers me that Megamind is treated throughout the entire movie as a misunderstood loner who isn't capable of doing genuinely evil things (in contrast to the real bad guy Titan). Except that, you know, he murders a guy and cheers about it. Yes, Metro Man didn't really die but Megamind wasn't aware of that; for all he knew, he killed another human(oid) being, and was clearly enjoying it. He only regretted it afterwards because he felt bored and unfulfilled, not because he felt actual remorse. (Not to mention that you don't get 88 life sentences for nothing. Even with the rampant prejudice against blue aliens, or provided that Metro City has an incredibly harsh justice system, you gotta do some pretty fucked-up shit to get this much. This is obviously a humorous exaggeration, but after Metro Man's faked death one has to wonder just what other crimes Megamind committed to warrant several thousand years in prison.)
- Megamind didn't really intend to murder Metro Man; he expected Metro Man to escape and send him back to prison as usual. His state of mind is more like recklessness, playing a deadly game with Metro Man that he should know could result in lethal consequences. He is clearly guilty of numerous crimes, but it isn't really a product of evil intent, more like a screwed up and very immature way of thinking where he thinks his place in the world is to be a dramatic supervillain who is a foil to Metro Man. Once he has killed Metro Man, he is still too immature to really appreciate the depth of his wrongdoing, he is just running off a script of what a supervillain is supposed to do when he wins.
- Just how did Megamind's Heel–Face Turn affect his foster family? By becoming a superhero, he basically betrayed them in favor of getting the affection of the people who ostracized him and made him want to be a villain in the first place! As a child, the inmates were the only people who genuinely cared for him and accepted him for who he was, and now he's making a living out of pursuing bad guys like them? I'd imagine Megamind's next few visits in the Metro City Prison were incredibly awkward.
- Not necessarily. If Megamind had ever been any good at being a supervillain, they might've been more disappointed, but by all appearances he'd never actually achieved more than to grab a few headlines before getting chucked back in jail. Even if he's on the "wrong" side of the law now, from their perspective, the more paternal-feeling inmates are probably happy that he's found something he's capable of doing well. Plus, just because someone is a criminal doesn't mean they want their kids to become criminals too; heck, many people get involved in theft or other low-tier crime because they're desperate to spare their families from a life of poverty and law-breaking.
Metroman's adopted parents and his plan
- Were Metroman's adopted parents aware of his fake death? It seems pretty cruel not to let them know he is alive and well. I can understand fooling the citizens, but also his parents, the 2 people who raised him?
- This assumes that they're alive to begin with; they could have passed away well before the events of the story, making the issue academic.
- Based on the little we get to see about them, the folks who raised Metro Man/Music Man appear to be quite hands-off parents. They regarded the super-baby who dropped into their lives like something more akin to a somewhat amazing pet than a poor, helpless orphaned alien who needs to be sheltered and nurtured. It may be that Metro Man understood deep down inside that while the news of his demise will be received by them with conventional tears and weeds, it will not be long before they will eventually resume their normal richly fulfilling and busy social lives at some pleasant retirement community.
- Who's to say he didn't tell them he's alive, then swear them to secrecy? Hands-off parents or not, it's unlikely that they'd want their adoptive son to be miserable, and force him to continue in a superhero's life he'd long since gotten sick and tired of leading.