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Headscratchers: Hook
  • How far away was Rufio when he threw the coconut at Peter? It was traveling fast enough to have no discernible arc, yet - after it was thrown, there was time for A) a boy to notice it was thrown and yell a warning, B) another boy to grab a sword and toss it to Peter, and C) Peter to execute a 360-degree spinning attack to chop it in half. A hail-Mary 50-yard football pass doesn't take that long to reach its target. Does Peter have magical time-dilation powers?
    • Your issue is with physics in a movie about people who can fly by thinking happy thoughts.
    • The coconut was imaginary, so Peter simply imagined it moving slowly enough for him to bisect it?
  • Where do pirates come from? Hook remarks during his suicide scene that he's been killing Lost Boys and Indians for most of his life, and Rufio mentions that Lost Boys kill pirates. Neverland Indians can reproduce in the wild (see: Tiger Lily) and new Lost Boys "fall out of their prams" and/or are brought to Neverland by fairies. But actual, cutlass-swinging pirates? How is their population replenished? They can't be actual sailors washed out to sea, as they probably wouldn't be keen on the retro-pirate lifestyle and would have heard the story of Peter Pan and realize where they were.
    • Lost Boys who grow up and forget, perhaps?
    • I always thought they were the personifications of bad fathers.
    • That or, being the resident adults, they make more pirates the old-fashioned way.. with every saucy wench in every port.
    • They come from pirate ships that get lost out on the open sea, obviously.
      • Personifications of bad fathers/lost at sea pirates is probably as close to the truth as we're going to get. Makes the Wenches personifications of bad mothers though... Brrr.
    • This is never addressed in any of the lore that I've read/watched but a several good answers come to mind. The first being that Neverland is magical, the idea that Lost Boys grow up to become Pirates after meeting some magical criteria comes to mind. The pirates could all be folks who got lost at sea, the question mentions people not being keen on being pirates but what options would a sailor who fell overboard have? Lost Boys kills pirates, the Indians aren't mentioned and the average person today wouldn't be able to duplicate 17th century technology from scratch much less anything modern so when Hook says "join the crew or walk the plank" most would. Finally it's entirely possible that Neverland is younger than we think because of the time discrepancy. In addition to (or perhaps instead of) it's clear in Hook that time travels differently in Neverland than in the real world. If deaths are rare and everybody is functionally immortal (at least from an outside perspective) we could be dealing with Pirates who've only been there decades not centuries and are all descended from a single ship or two.
    • Perhaps pirates ARE Lost Boys. This is Neverland, the idea that the kids split up into two, possibly three teams to play Lost Boys vs Pirates vs Indians is no less absurd than you'd expect from an Island of children refusing to grow up and well within the magical feats Neverland should be capable of performing.
  • This Troper loves this movie to death, but there was one minor nitpick. Where are the Indians? I mean there was mention of them so they didn't go unnoticed. But you'd think in a movie like this, they'd be there to give Pan some sage like advice to Pan during his time of need. Or at the very least be Big Damn Heroes when Pirate Battling becomes too much for even the lost boys to handle.
    • I imagine Hook hunted them all down and murdered them. He did so in the book and a bit in the Disney version. Without Peter and the bulk of the lost boys (who Wendy Lady found homes for) there, Hook had nothing to stop him, and a lot of anger to stab out.
    • From a technical standpoint, they were probably scrubbed out to avoid lawsuits from Real Native Americans. Indigenous people have been getting more and more vocal over the years about their culture being portrayed as stock fantasy characters. To put it very lightly, they're offended at being portrayed as Noble Savages and won't tolerate it anymore. Google Idle No More for an example.
  • Peter is originally from England the same as his wife. It is stated in the dialogue that he was adopted by an American couple, but he was already nearly a teenager. Would he have realistically lost the English accent he would've spoken with during his time there? That was always a puzzler for me as Robin Williams doesn't bother with a British accent.
    • Considering he lost nearly all of his Pan-related memories, I would imagine he would just pick up the new accent as more of his old self slipped away.
    • This could actually count as Fridge Brilliance. In the flashbacks, Peter still speaks with an American accent (look at the scene where he meets Moira). Since he left England as an infant, and was then raised by Tinkerbell (who, in this version, sounds like the very American Julia Roberts), he would have picked up her accent instead.
  • Continue an above question are the Pirates and Lost Boys really trying to kill each other or just playing an "extremely" rough game where they recognize that you might die? It comes to mind because most of the weapons the Lost Boys bring are humorous toys that at best should have distracted the pirates and several seem to use their food stuffs which are IMAGINARY and cannot effect anybody who doesn't believe. The pirates for their part don't seem to be using the guns that we know they have because they've been using them throughout the film. This goes as far as Hook who's enough more interested in his fight than the win that he allows the entire plot to play out instead of killing Pan in Act One.
  • In the Flashback Wendy claims she can't go with Peter because she's forgotten how to fly. The story up to this point seems to imply that it's because she's simply gotten too old but that flies in the face of reminding Peter what it means to be the Pan and Toodles flying. Was she afraid this would be the time she decided not to come back or something since her stated reason simply doesn't hold up.
    • When Wendy says that, she's implying that the original happy thoughts she used to fly are things which either no longer make her happy, or else she doesn't feel those things anymore. Maybe related to how she —later in the timeline— admits to Peter that she was in love with him as a young woman, even still on her wedding day. It's not that she doesn't remember how to fly, it's that she's no longer in love with him.
      • Alternatively, maybe she never fell out of love with him. Over time, the memories associated with Peter and Neverland became less happy and more bittersweet as she realized that he was never going to love her back the way she wanted.
  • So, how's the growing-up logic in this movie? In Disney's Return to Neverland, a grown-up Wendy remembered Peter as if she met him yesterday, but here in Hook Peter, Wendy and Tootles as grown-ups forgot they were lost boys and lived in Neverland as if their memories were erased.
    • Wendy didn't forget her time in Neverland, she only forgotten her happy thoughts.
    • Tootles obviously didn't forget either, people just thought he was crazy when he talked about it.
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