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- Why didn't Hans let the Duke's guard kill Elsa? He implied that he was going to do so anyways. If he didn't want to kill her unless there was no other choice, then why would he be willing to accelerate Anna's death? If he's worried that Anna would reject him, that doesn't make sense since he wasn't the one who killed her, and he could further manipulate her emotions. If he wanted to kill Elsa himself to get the glory, it wouldn't make sense since the executioner would have done so, and if the Guard killed Elsa for him, he would have gotten credit for leading the crew to her.
- The objective of the mission was to find Anna, not to unfreeze Arendelle. Additionally, the Arendelle guards (that is, everyone in the so-called "rag-tag military" except Hans and the Duke of Weselton's two men) were probably loyal enough to Elsa (by virtue of her being their boss) to want to give her the benefit of the doubt, rather than assume she was cursing the kingdom on purpose. They are also sworn servants of the crown and would not be quick to jump to that sort of conclusion about their own monarch. Nor would they be willing to kill her to stop the winter if they knew she was causing it unintentionally. You speak of what is most logical, but their loyalty to the crown probably trumps any desire to ruthlessly solve the problem by any means necessary. Hans, since he wants to become Arendelle's next king, makes a priority of acting in a way that the Arendelle troops will see as heroic. It's not until after he could pin Anna's death on Elsa, that Hans feels he can finish Elsa off and have this be seen as acceptable by the people he's hoping to rule. Prior to being convinced that Elsa had killed Anna, no one (besides the Duke, but he didn't have any say in who gets to rule Arendelle) would have agreed with killing Elsa, and not trying to stop the Duke's men from doing it wouldn't have reflected well on him in their eyes. Although if his "accidental" hitting of the chandelier was on purpose, he could have been trying (unsuccessfully, since she survived) to get the best of both worlds (look like a hero for trying to save the queen from those presumptious foreign assassins, but she gets crushed to death anyway and is no longer an obstacle to his taking the throne.)
- The novelization, A Frozen Heart, confirms that Hans did not actually want to kill Elsa, at least at the time; his plan was to depose her without actually killing her, and he only resorted to an attempt on her life when he had no other options. Sparing her life at the ice palace is perfectly in line with that plan.
- Also, mourning was Serious Business at the time. Hans didn't know Anna was dying until she told him he needed to kiss her; he probably assumed she'd recover. In which case, she'd be expected to mourn her sister's death for months before even considering doing something as upbeat as getting married.
Troll memory magic! How doth ye work?
- So to cure Anna, Grand Pabbie removed memories of Elsa's magic and told the parents not to reveal Elsa's powers. Therefore when Anna witnessed Elsa creating ice, how come she is not affected by it at all? Or is it because the curse had passed already?
- Anna's first injury could have been a mind-based counterpart to the freezing of her heart later in the movie. The cure in the latter case was metaphorical, an act of true love, rather than some physical thing. Possibly it was the same the first time; Elsa's misaimed spell hurt Anna's mind, not her body, and removing her memories allowed the trolls to "change her mind," and heal the damage. Note the way Pabbie said, "The heart is hard to change, but the head can be persuaded."
- In fact that could be the reason why Grand Pabbie alters the memories to say that the snow was natural: if Anna's brain 'knows' that ice-magic is impossible, she won't be hurt by it, because the brain can be pretty stupid in some ways.
So who was boss?
- So who ran Arendelle during the time period in between the King and Queens' deaths and Elsa becoming eligible for regency? And how long was it? It looks like it might have been maybe 5 years tops. (Anna and Elsa didn't look very young when their parents left.) Is Arendelle a relatively small city-state that could run itself until they work with international trade?
- Given Elsa's 21 years old when her coronation is held, she would have been 18 years old, a young adult, at the point when her parents died, so it's likely that the regent's functions would have been limited to running the kingdom. As for her behavior, that would definitely seem strange, but there are a lot of non-magical explanations that someone who was in contact with Elsa, like Kai or Gerda, could have given (including grieving for her dead parents). And, since Elsa was the heir apparent to the throne, it wouldn't be hard for her to develop not just a paranoid fear of losing control of her powers and hurting Anna, but also an obsession with the possibility of being assassinated by an usurper, even moreso since she has ice magic and there could potentially be a lot of people who might not like the idea of Arendelle being ruled by a sorceress-queen. Yes, this is a Disney movie, but the Duke of Weselton's obviously prejudiced views of sorceress-queens and Hans's entire attempted coup, makes it seem likely that political assassinations are far from inconceivable. In fact, the fear that Elsa might be targeted for assassination because of her powers might provide an additional explanation for why Elsa's parents kept her powers a secret from everyone in the castle (Anna included) and in Arendelle except for a few trustworthy servants who could be sworn to secrecy.
- I read a fanfic called Secret Passages with a scene that partially is the source for this theory, where Elsa complains about having to keep her powers secret from Anna:
Princess Elsa: Look, I'm so, so tired of keeping this secret. It's too much for me. What is so bad if Anna knows about my powers? Or just people in general, for that matter? I agree that I need to stay away from everyone because it's not safe, but I'm sick of the clandestine part of it. Why can't I go downstairs late at night after everyone has gone to bed, for example? No one would be around, so that would be safe.King Agdar: ElsaÖbe reasonable. What would our citizens think of the crown princess having ice powers she can't control? You have to concede that's a bad idea. They would call you names or worse[, they might try to kill you].
- If there was a regent, why didn't Anna think to put them in charge instead of Hans? Or would they have left once the coronation ceremony was over? I know this is reaching into WMG. but it's a rather important plot point.
- If there was a regent, the regent was either away from Arendelle, or passed away from natural causes shortly before Elsa's coronation.
- Given that the time period the film is likely set in appears to be relatively modern (styles of clothing suggest a setting in roughly the 1840s), it's hard to say just what level of power the monarch really had in Arendelle. Most likely, it's similar to forms of constitutional monarchy where the ruler has real power, but there are other branches of government that can act on their own to carry out day to day political functions. The prime minister or equivalent would probably act as an elected regent until Elsa turned 21. As for why Anna wouldn't put him or her in control of the city state while she was gone...well, she really doesn't have the authority to appoint anyone as anything since she's just a member of the royal family and not even legally old enough to hold office. She likely doesn't care much about political nuance, and with the chaos in Arendelle because of her sister creating an eternal winter, it's likely that no one wants to be involved in running the state except for the power-hungry Hans.
- Indeed, Anna's snap decision to put Hans "in charge" when she left may not have been a transfer of power over the nation, at all. She may simply have been tasking him to manage things at the palace, which is something she'd have the authority to do as a member of the household whose palace it was. Anna wouldn't have been legally authorized to give him power over the entire country, as in the absence of a death or formal abdication on Elsa's part - and no, running off in tears without a word doesn't count as the latter - she's only the royal heir, not the sovereign.
Did Kristoff know that Anna was the little girl he once saw healed by the trolls?
- While Jennifer Lee has specified that Kristoff does know Anna is the girl he saw Grand Pabbie heal, she never goes into specifics as to how much he knows. However, it's clear that this is a question open to interpretation. Although it strikes me that the evidence suggests Kristoff did know. For instance:
- Kristoff was a little kid when he witnessed the healing and it appears that he was far enough away that it was difficult to hear (Bulda asks him to be quiet, so she can hear better.) However, even if Kristoff didn't hear Grand Pabbie's conversations, and he didn't realize at the time that he was seeing the royal family of Arendelle, he spent 13 years growing up with the trolls. In those 13 years, the chances are very strong that Kristoff asked about what he saw that night, and learned the truth. So he may have known all along that Elsa had ice powers, even if he himself thought it was a little far-fetched and out-there.
- Assuming Kristoff did know, Grand Pabbie probably told him, and emphasized how it was important for them to keep his knowledge of Elsa's powers a secret, because there is the potential that people might try to hurt Elsa if they found out about her powers. This wouldn't be much of a problem for Kristoff to do, because, as an ice harvester and mountain man, I don't think he spends a lot of time in the villages, so he wouldn't have had the occasions to talk to people a lot, and he doesn't strike me as the kind who likes to gossip.
- There is another reason Kristoff and the trolls never told Anna about this (since this was after the secret was out and so there was no need to keep her from knowing about Elsa): if Anna learned she had been struck once before by Elsa's powers, this would make her even more inclined to fear and doubt her sister, and thus she would hesitate to sacrifice herself for her. At the very least, it would make it harder for her to perform an act of true love for her—realizing Elsa blasted her at the ice castle was bad enough, but to know it had happened once before as well? Far better to let her remain in ignorance so she had a chance of saving everyone; afterward, assuming Elsa's powers didn't remove the memory loss along with the white lock, there would be time enough to restore the memories and explain what happened.
Freeze time you so wonky!
- This may be obvious, but if Anna's sacrifice is what broke her curse, shouldn't she have been healed before her whole body froze? Unless there's some Rule of Drama in effect...
- I saw it as her making the sacrifice at just the right moment. Exactly as the freezing was complete, but at the point when the curse could still be broken. A perfect in-between. Which, yes, is Rule of Drama and Rule of Cool.
- Another interpretation is that Anna started thawing from the inside (heart magic and all that) and it simply took a while for her body to thaw completely. If memory serves, in the opening scene, Anna wasn't instantly healed — it took a few seconds, which makes sense, since her chest was the first (external) part of her body to thaw.
- Another thing to note is the shockwave which knocked back Hans after the freeze. None of Elsa's magic has had shockwaves included. Wind yes, shock, no. The shockwave was the beginning of Anna's thaw.
- You can also see it as that, because it was actually Elsa's frozen heart that needed mending, it wasn't until Anna was frozen that Elsa realized how much Anna loved her and vice versa. So, it was only after Anna was frozen that the full magic could be completed when Elsa openly and fully expressed her love for Anna. When she heard Anna had died, she blamed herself because she knew she loved Anna but thought Anna only cared out of sisterly duty. True love, after all, requires reciprocation.
- It does take a whole ton of mental devotion to willingly put oneself in front of an incoming sword and stay there. It was only when there was no longer a possibility for Anna to back away out of fear that it was truly certain how much she loved Elsa.
Why did Elsa build Olaf?
- Why did Elsa create Olaf during her musical number and then just leave him there? She was obviously surprised to see him walking and talking later when Anna brought him with her, so she didn't plan on bringing him to life. And why did he wander off instead of following her to the castle? Also, if he and Elsa never spoke until then, how did Olaf know who she was and what his name was supposed to be?
- Not trying to jump to conclusions, but did you miss the first 5 minutes of the movie or something? In the very beginning of the movie, when the two sisters were kids, there was a brief scene where we see them build Olaf on the ballroom floor. This was the same snowman that Elsa unconsciously brought to life later in the film. Anna was surprised when first encountering him because he was a long lost childhood memory suddenly brought to life, while Elsa was surprised to see him for the same reason plus the fact that was probably the moment she realized she has the power to bring life to snow. In "Let it Go", you can see her build Olaf, but he was just lifeless at the time and she just assumed she was building the same normal snowman just to test her powers again. Olaf probably came to life much later and was probably too far away from Elsa's castle to know anything about it. From being with Anna, Olaf knew about her sister Elsa before being formally introduced with her.
- I assumed Olaf wanted to know what summer was like and knew about what it was because, y'know, he was built in summer. I also thought that he was built totally subconsciously, since Olaf was one of the last things she built with her magic back when she obviously had control over it (I mean, it's kinda obvious that that wasn't the first time she turned the ballroom into hers and Anna's own personal winter playground, and since it wasn't always frozen over as we see when she enters it and since natural heat doesn't melt her snow, she had control over it at one point.)
- Natural heat melts her snow just fine, as Olaf demonstrates with the fireplace.
- Well, Olaf was given basic intelligence to speak so I would assume that includes other basic facts. He might know that a donkey is some sort of weird animal but he hasn't seen it so he doesn't know what it truly looks like.
- Elsa builds Olaf when she's in a good mood for the first time in years, and since her powers seem to be enhanced and more controllable when she's in a better mood, it's good fairytale logic (this is a story about a magic witchy ice queen, remember) that the first thing she'd build with her new sense of power and freedom would be a snowman so perfect that he came to life.
- Olaf represents the love and good times of her childhood with her sister, the last time she felt happy (he's the snowman they made at the time). It's not a coincidence that he's the first thing she created when feeling truly happy and free again.
- Following the idea above, Olaf is the snowman Anna has begged Elsa to build over the past 13 years as seeing in "Do you want to build a snowman". Now without fear of using her powers, she builds Olaf, maybe thinking in Anna and the good old times they spend together.
- A character defined by Power Incontinence doing something unintentionally isn't that surprising.
- On another note, where did the coal and sticks come from? Elsa's ice/snow powers could create an inanimated Olaf of course, but where did she get the sticks and coal? When she builds him as a child, even a carrot appears.
- Seeing as the little girls obviously do this regularly, they probably had the accessories stashed somewhere. Elsa makes the snow but the girls build Olaf by hand, and we see Elsa 'dressing' him with the coal buttons and little twigs for arms. So it's probably mundane coal and twigs that they found in a fireplace (and those will be literally everywhere in the castle; this is before modern air conditioning was invented), and for Olaf's nose, Elsa probably swipes it from the kitchen and hides it in the nearest coal bucket ready for use whenever she and Anna do create their late night winter playground (which as implied does appear to happen very often).
The exact source of Elsa's magic
- Why was Elsa born with magical powers? The promotional materials say something about a prophecy, but there's no explanation given in the movie. She was just born with them, and that was that.
- She was born with magical powers because you wouldn't have much of a story if she hadn't been born with them.
- It was said in an interview with Jennifer Lee that it was going to be explained by a troll narrator that every time there's a certain alignment of Saturn, a child is born with ice magic 1,000 years later, but she eventually decided to just say she was born with them and leave it at that to avoid it sounding too complicated. In a way, since Elsa was born on some alignment of Saturn, it actually makes a lot of sense. Why? Well, what are Saturn's rings made of? Rock and ice. Even more significant, what is one of Saturn's moons? Enceladus, a world covered entirely in ice◊. Probably one of the few times a specific planetary alignment actually makes sense. (As for the "prophecy" thing mentioned in the original question, the prophecy was about the whole "A ruler with a frozen heart" thing and stuff about a "sword sacrifice", so I think this can still be stated as the confirmed circumstances.)
- The movie is set in a world where this sort of thing happens. There doesn't have to be a reason why it happens to a particular person.
Anna, you didn't think that one through, did you?
- Okay, so even though Anna knows for a fact that Elsa's powers are triggered when she gets scared or stressed out, she decides that it would be a good idea to tell Elsa that she accidentally trapped her hometown in an eternal winter. What exactly did she expect that Elsa's emotional response to that news would be?
- Actually Anna doesn't understand how Elsa's powers work, not in the slightest, because of the trolls erasing her memories. Though that doesn't explain why she thought it was a good idea to keep insisting she come home when snow started blowing around the room.
- When has Anna ever paid attention to the details? She wanted to marry Hans after having only known him for a couple hours, and when she rushed out into the forests to look for Elsa, she was woefully unprepared for the conditions (honestly, she was lucky to have stumbled upon Wandering Oaken's Trading Post & Sauna), and she threw a snowball at Marshmallow even after Kristoff specifically told her not to do.
- Because a) Anna had had her memories of the childhood accident altered, so she didn't know her presence was especially upsetting for Elsa; b) she hadn't seen how immediately dangerous Elsa's powers could be; eternal winter won't kill you on the spot, and during the party scene, Elsa's ice spikes didn't hurt anyone. They just sent a message of "Get away from me!". C) she wasn't insisting Elsa come home at that point, she was trying to calm her down ("you don't have to be afraid", "we can work this out together", "don't panic"). It would have been smarter to back off and let Elsa get over the initial rush of panic, yes, but there is no explanation required for why touchy-feely and kinda ditzy Anna wanted to be close to her panicking and vulnerable sister.
- To answer the first point, she saw Elsa's powers go off when she was freaked out at the castle, so she knows they respond to Elsa's emotions.
- Not necessarily- sure, Elsa's outburst in the ballroom looked like she'd done it because she lost her temper- but not necessarily like it was totally involuntary. Elsa's horrified body language could have read as instant regret at what she'd done in anger, without anyone realizing that was total Power Incontinence (after all, getting so angry that you hit someone- even if you'd never normally be violent- doesn't mean you have no control of what your hands do).
- Would it really be better to delay telling Elsa about Arendelle's situation, whatever the risk? When Elsa is the only one who might be able to help?
- Yeah, I pretty much agree with the above that Anna had to explain because it was a time-sensitive problem. Also, Anna clearly expected Elsa's emotional response to be exactly what it was. She's stalling and visibly cringing when she explains the eternal winter to Elsa. It seems like the issue was that Anna only realized Elsa didn't know about the eternal winter during their conversation in the castle (when Elsa said, "No, Anna, I belong here, alone, where I can be who I am, without hurting anyone". Anna's dialogue in the song that follows does seem like she initially assumed Elsa knows about the problem but is too scared to come back and/or fix it), so she had like thirty seconds to figure out how to explain it tactfully, and failed to do so before her mouth got ahead of her brain and she blurted it out.
- Anna went up there assuming Elsa would be able to reverse the winter with a snap of her fingers. She thought Elsa could control her powers at that point. She didn't realize that Elsa had no idea how to thaw her own ice. Either she had thought Elsa already knew about the frozen kingdom or else she had to reluctantly break the news to her then and there.
- Anna's motive is largely a selfish one. She finally knows what's wrong, and she thinks that means that now she can be in her sister's heart (and in her space, through the door) and that will fix everything, because for Anna, that WILL fix everything she thinks is wrong. But Elsa's problem is more complicated. Only Elsa can solve it, and Anna's *desire* for her to fix things isn't enough motive for Elsa to break through her fear. Desire still leaves room for Elsa's fear, fear of letting Anna and everyone down. It isn't until Anna unconditionally loves Elsa that Elsa has room to understand what she needs to do.
- Anna knew exactly what Elsa's response would be. Pay attention to her facial expressions during that entire scene; she's very reluctant to actually tell Elsa what's going on in Arendelle once it becomes apparent that Elsa has no idea, keeps repeating the word "deep" while finding the strength to say "snow", and visibly winces as she finally says that word. She wanted to break it to her more gently, but Elsa kept playing the, "Everybody's safe and fine if you leave me alone, so I'm kicking you out of my ice palace and you will never get another chance at this if you don't blurt it out now!" card. She had to say it before Elsa slammed the door in her face, or nobody ever would.
- Really, Anna must have figured out sooner that Elsa didn't know. While the two were talking before Olaf came in, Elsa said, "No, Anna, I belong here, alone. Where I can be who I am... without hurting anybody." Anna clearly sees that Elsa has no idea that Arendelle is frozen over as a whole, and appears about to say that when Olaf comes in (if Olaf hadn't come in, she'd likely have said "Actually, about that, you've frozen all of Arendelle"). The whole purpose of the reprise of "For the First Time in Forever" was most likely to stop Elsa from pushing her sister away again long enough for Anna to tell her what's happening in Arendelle.
- Anna's also very young and naive and doesn't know Elsa very well. When she first set out she didn't realize quite what a state of terror Elsa was in- when she's talking to Kristoff in the sled, she's under the impression that Elsa was mad at her, for her behavior with Hans and the ensuing argument. Perhaps only by the time she makes it to Elsa's balcony does Anna seem to get a bit more of an idea that Elsa's problems are a lot worse than she initially thought, but it seems to be what she thought when she first started looking for Elsa.
- In short, the whole thing, can basically be summed up in one word: impulsiveness. Anna simply doesn't think things through. It's a part of her character. Had she taken some time to think, her actions would've likely been wiser, such as shutting up instead of continually talking when her sister is beginning to have a panic attack.
- Anna's plan seems to consist of just calming Elsa down and reassuring her that she's still wanted by her people in Arendelle, on the assumption that she just needs to come home to get it all sorted out. Which isn't entirely stupid, and explains why Anna thought she was the best person to do it and should go up there without backup. It's not even like she was wholly wrong- being there for Elsa did turn out to be the solution, sorta.
- Let's be fair to Anna here, because "you've completely frozen your entire kingdom to the point where everyone's potentially in danger of freezing to death very very soon" is kind of an important element of this situation that has to be addressed at some point sooner rather than later. There's being tactful and walking on thin ice (no pun intended), and then there's ignoring the frozen Elephant in the Room.
Was that really a good idea, Grand Pabbie?
- Why did the troll remove Anna's memories and told Elsa's parents to hide her powers? If people around Elsa knew about her abilities, they would be more careful, they wouldn't force her to take off her gloves and would try to shield her from strong emotions. Yes, they would fear her, but at least chances of accidents (like the one that triggered the plot) would be reduced.
- The "fear will be the enemy" line was followed by Grand Pabbie showing them an image of people fearing Elsa, causing her to be afraid, so it still fits — it's interesting because he's still not altogether that helpful, and in fact the King takes his advice in a much worse way than was probably intended. The Troll Chief recommends hiding the knowledge of her powers to prevent others from fearing her, but the King goes too far and hides the girl away from everyone. He also seems to not actually know the secret to controlling Elsa's powers, either, or else he'd have told them.
- Grand Pabbie does also specifically say that Elsa needs to learn to control her abilities. The problem is that Agdar takes that to mean suppressing them instead of how to use them. If we use a bomb analogy, he thought of it as a Dead Man's Switch that needed to always be pressed instead of Elsa learning about bombs to be able to make pyrotechnics instead of explosives.
- If Word of God by Jennifer Lee is anything to go by, it has been a very long timeólikely 1000 years, in fact, at the least. Apparently a child would be born with ice magic 1000 years after Saturn was in alignment with something, which makes sense because, you know Saturn's rings are part ice and its moon Europa is an entire world made of ice (they just eventually decided to just say she was born with them and nothing else because, to quote Jennifer Lee, "the more you explained the more questions you had about magic and the rules"). And if we assume that that happens to only one child in the world and ice magic isn't genetic, the last one might not have even been anywhere near Arendelle. And according to the Essential Guide, Bulda (Kristoff's adoptive mother) is "700 years young". Assuming that the last child (maybe the original Snow Queen?) was born close to there and encountered the trolls as well, Grand Pabbie is likely the only one we see in the film who encountered the last one.
- This is something that How It Should've Ended pointed out: if the trolls are "love experts" as Kristoff calls them, why didn't they tell the King and Queen that the answer to controlling Elsa's powers was love instead of isolating her? It would've made sense if the King came up with the idea after they left the trolls...but he comes up with the idea and tells them this plan...right infront of them.
Why doesn't it work every time?
- If True Love is supposedly what defrosts Elsa's ice, why didn't Anna get defrosted immediately after Elsa accidentally struck her in the beginning, and horrified, immediately rushed to her side? Clearly she showed deep concern and love for her sister (considering the song that they were best friends) and even at that young age, if she's powerful enough to create a ballroom flurry, why shouldn't the opposite be true? Furthermore, even though it was an Act of True Lovenote that ultimately caused the defrost, how did Elsa's love, by itself, defrost the world?
- Guys, you are all missing the point of that entire plot. Her heart freezing is METAPHORICAL as well as literal because she keeps losing and contradicting the kinds of real love she actually has in her life. Up to that point where her heart is frozen, she spends the entire movie thinking it'll be as simple as leaving her one true love back at the palace, finding her sister and, now that she understands her sister was pushing her away to keep her ice powers hidden and not because she didn't like her, the sister she loves so much would listen to her and come back. Then you get to her song reprise with Elsa and Elsa still refuses to come! Picture the end of that scene without ANY magic for a second. Anna is trying to comfort her sister and reassure her and what does Elsa do? She turns and SCREAMS "I can't!" at her. The way she says this, she is MAD. And then right after, she throws Anna out! It is clear by the way Anna reacts this is totally unexpected and she has no idea what to do now, she thought for sure Elsa, her sister who she still loves a lot, would listen to her. And yet even with the frozen heart thing, she survives okay for a pretty long time, getting all the way to the trolls and sitting through an entire musical number without ANY ill effects. It's only When the trolls point out they're marrying her to Kristoff, that she has her first really bad reaction, which makes perfect sense. At that point, she didn't love Kristoff, she was still in love with Hans, so marrying Kristoff would have been a betrayal of love she was being tricked into. And it's only When she has that bad reaction that Grand Pabbie finally appears to help and tells her about the true love thing, so they want to go back to Hans. And then of course, Hans betrays her too.]] These repeated acts of breaking her trust in someone she loved are clearly speeding up the process. After Hans leaves the room, she looks to the fire, but no longer has the strength to get up and start it until Olaf shows up and does it for her. You say 'some people are worth melting for' didn't help but it did, it helped her enough to be able to get out of there and run across the ice to save her sister. Repeatedly throughout the movie people who Anna believed loved her are (to use an appropriate metaphor) LEAVING HER OUT IN THE COLD. Her sister who she loves shut her out and when she finally thinks she knows why, goes to Elsa and gets shut out again when she tries to help, and her fiance who she was willing to brave the wrath of her sister for (Note she says at the first meeting with Hans "If you'd done that to my sister..." meaning she knows Elsa has a temper) and came to begging for help reveals he never really loved her. Anna had been preforming acts of true love the entire MOVIE, what she needed was for someone to preform one for HER, to reassure her she really was loved. She needed someone to 'touch her heart' and stop 'leaving her to the cold'. One of Elsa's lines during "Let It Go" was "You'll never see me cry!" When she's singing about how happy she is to be alone and free and away from everyone including her sister. But when her sister is frozen she does exactly that, crying desperately over Anna's frozen body. THIS is the act of true love that saves Anna, not rescuing Elsa, because someone finally showed Anna they loved her as deeply as Anna loved them. That's why there's a delay, because it's Elsa who breaks the curse by finally regretting having never let Anna in and proving her love, not Anna.
- ^ That. The "True Love" thing is getting blown way out of proportion. To be true love, it has to be reciprocated. Anna demonstrated her love for Elsa by sacrificing herself for her, and Elsa demonstrated her love for Anna by crying over her sacrifice. This was the Act of True Love required to thaw Anna's frozen heart. Their parents' love couldn't thaw Anna's brain because fixing the mind requires a different procedure than fixing the heart. Also, love isn't the key to controlling Elsa's powers, it's the key to thawing them. Elsa demonstrates plenty of control over her powers any time she's onscreen and not under the influence of fear.
- I saw it a different way. When Elsa's ice magic struck Anna, then for the first time (in Anna's memory), her sister had hurt her. The internal innocent trust melted into fear and doubt, and it accelerated when Grand Pabbie let her know that she had been put into mortal danger. "You have ice in your heart put there by your sister. Unless removed..." When Anna gave herself up for Elsa, she cast the ice out of her own heart by casting aside that doubt and treating Elsa as if, as she believed in the beginning of the conflict, that she and the world had nothing to fear from Elsa. Anna's sacrifice melted her own heart, and Elsa's reaction has very little to do with it; when Elsa grieved over Anna and then understood the way she felt about her sister, she was able to melt her own 'frozen heart' and bring back summer.
You go girl! Wait, Elsa, what are you gonna eat?
- Okay, so Elsa storms off into the wilderness, she feels free, she doesn't have to hide her powers, it's totally awesome, she's never going back, yadayada. But what exactly is she planning to eat out there?
- Use the creatures she creates to hunt food for her.
- Or maybe she doesn't need to eat to begin with. She seemingly has no issue with endothermic taxing ("The cold never bothered me anyway"), so maybe she doesn't need energy or nutrients. She is probably like a zombie, only animated by ice magic rather than dark.
- But she can eat and enjoy chocolate. So either she doesn't need to eat, but can do it, she would have had snow beast get food for her, or she planned to starve herself to death. Or you know, she's being irrational and panicked just a little to much, which she did, and didn't think things through. Several times in a row, in fact. Her happiness at being "free" was 1). very sudden, 2). seemly in denial (really, she had NO clue she froze the kingdom and thought no one would come for her), and 3). complete Mood Whiplash. It's not hard to say that she's depressed and sudden "high" periods can end up being temporary. She's happy to be free of the mental restraints, but she's deluding herself into thinking that she's found the perfect solution.
- Maybe she took cooking lessons from Jessie's mom?
- I'd say she just didn't think about it. She wanted to get as far away as possible from people she could hurt or be hurt by, as quickly as possible. I doubt she stopped to think about food, and then after that she's probably still riding the emotional rollercoaster for long enough that it doesn't occur to her before she's brought back to Arendelle. Despite the triumphant themes of Let It Go, Elsa's new life in the mountains is just as unsustainable as her attempts to bottle up her magic. The only way for her to move forward is to make peace with her powers and the people in her life, as she does by the end.
- Elsa can move snow around as well as conjure it up. She shouldn't have much of a problem parting the snow over patches of berry bushes to collect whatever is there, or cracking the ice on a frozen lake and going fishing.
Anna, your hair is odd.
- Is Anna's hair color blonde or red? In the current profile pic here she looks blonde, but in the movie her hair was a really red-blonde?
- In a novelization, Anna, describes her hair as strawberry blonde.
How do magic dresses work?
- This has been bugging me: in "Let It Go", when Elsa undergoes her Evil Costume Switch, she forms her new dress using her powers, so it's covering her other dress...but her new one has a slit in the hem, showing her bare legs underneath. What the heck happened to her old dress?
- A Wizard Did It.
- Micro-crystals of ice, forming in the fabric to break the threads so her old dress disintegrated underneath the new one?
Let It Go! and explain!
- There is a theory that Elsa's powers represent homosexuality. What does "Let It Go" represent in this regard?
- Her coming out of the closet presumably.
- "Let It Go," is a song about rejecting what society might think about you and exalting yourself for what makes you, you. It really doesn't matter what Elsa's powers represent (sexuality, talents, personality), its meaning really doesn't change.
- Think of it this way: Elsa is born with certain traits linked to her emotions that, while not inherently bad, are embarrassing to her parents. Her parents tell her to repress these feelings ("conceal, don't feel"), and this repression is linked to being a good member of the family ("be the good girl you've always had to be"). When her secret does come out, some people think she's dangerous and a monster. When she rejects society and decides to celebrate herself, she changes from a high-necked, long-sleeved dress into a low-cut shimmery thing with a slit down the leg. I definitely saw it as a metaphor for coming out of the closet.
- Except for all LGBT people I know, "coming out" meant integrating into society with their secret revealed, not running into the wilderness to live as a hermit. If anything, Elsa is even worse off after being "outed" than she was in the palace, where she at least had books, servants, etc. She chose to isolate herself from society out of the fear of accidentally hurting someone with her powers, which is pretty much the opposite of coming out: she only dug herself deeper. To me, "Let It Go" is more of a Then Let Me Be Evil moment, minus her actually being evil.
- No metaphor can be perfect, but that's a bit like splitting hairs. The key point is that Elsa is no longer ashamed of her inherent attributes and therefore no longer hides them, just like LGBT individuals should no longer be ashamed of their inherent attributes and therefore no longer hide them. In the real world, societal acceptance is a top priority in case you want a confortable, long life, but many LGBT citizens came out because it is the right thing to do, regardless of the consequence (i.e. Alan Turing). Elsa basically came out, she accepted herself for who she was and no longer cares if anyone has a dissenting opinion. She simply did them a little favour by residing in the mountains so that her powers would not affect anyone directly, but it's not like she's particularly concerned about whereas anyone is still a prick and goes after her (until she is informed that her carelessness doomed everyone that is).
- I saw a great deal of honest joy in Elsa over actually using/embracing her power, but I agree that in the long term such isolation would not be the best goal. The true triumph was not the mountaintop keep, but the skating rink in the palace courtyard.
- I thought that "Let it Go" was a moment of Elsa accepting herself, but not accepting her position in society. She only kinda somewhat accepts herself. It's like the moment where, if we're using homosexuality as an example, one realizes that one is gay and begins to celebrate that within yourself, while still being absolutely terrified of what everyone else around you will do when they find out. She has found freedom within herself... but she still needs to reconcile the fact that just because she's okay with herself, doesn't mean that others will be. So she runs off and hides in a tower that serves as a metaphorical prison. She's more free than before, but still trapped within her fear. She accepts herself, but not what accepting herself will mean for her life. It's a big, important step... but she's still got a ways to go, which is why the movie doesn't end there.
- When you're from a particularly conservative community, you can only truly come out and be yourself after leaving it (and, worst case, breaking off all contact like Elsa meant to do). In a perfect world this wouldn't be necessary, but this ain't a perfect world. Reconnecting with your birth family after you've accepted yourself (and worn that shimmery ice dress at the Pride parade) is a nice bonus.
- Perhaps this is way off, but I thought of it as very similar to the very blackest pit of depression, exactly as described in Hyperbole and a Half. This is the stage where she's eventually so tired of hurting, she...stops caring. About anything. Which gives her a giddy sort of courage, because it means nobody can do anything to hurt her anymore. This is Elsa saying "fuck it, I'm not playing anymore". The problem is that it is not freedom from depression, it is its heart. It is isolating, and dare I say, cold. However, when people reach this point, they don't even realize there's a problem. It feels good not to be afraid, right? The tone of the song is so upbeat because she thinks things are looking up, when nothing could be further from the truth.
- In the context of the movie, I figured the scene was about not hiding behind the mask she had created anymore. Had it not been for the accident, she would probably be a lot more like Anna. I think one of the key things people seem to forget, even Elsa, is that her parents' original intent was not to hide her powers but to learn to control them. They just believed that controlling them meant her powers not seeping out when she didn't want them to. She had to become this prim and proper woman that had to be unemotional because they knew her strong emotions caused her powers to start flaring up. Unfortunately, the only strong emotions were from fear through an endless cycle of losing control of her powers scaring her, and being scared making her lose control more. It's the whole "world of cardboard" problem, but she went about learning to live in that world by staying in one place without touching anything instead of practicing with disposable items to understand her relation to everything.
- You guys are also totally missing the "born with it or cursed" moment too, which echoes the whole "gays are born that way!!" "No they aren't!!!" Debate that once raged. Also "let it go" is about letting go of caring about what everyone thinks- which as a gay raised in conservative Texas, I understood. Because sure coming out is about integrating yourself as your true self into society... You're missing the really important fact that it MUST be a society that ACCEPTS you. And anybody who doesn't can quite frankly (expletive deleated) themselves. So yes the song and scene are quite accurate. As is pointing out the whole "conceal don't feel" part which many gays have had to deal with- myself included. So while Frozen may not have been created specifically as a gay allegory... It works surprisingly well. Well enough that I (and a few others I know) have shown it to our parents for that very reason.
Elsa, champion of the 4 mile Ice Sprint
- Ok, so how in the world did Elsa get up the north mountain so fast on foot when it took Anna and Kristoff at least 3/4th of a day to go the same distance on horse/reindeer back as well as walking? How did Elsa get up there with enough time to build her ice castle in 1/2 the time
- Elsa didn't need to stop and dress for the cold. She didn't have to worry about normal clothes being frozen solid by either sweating or falling into water. She froze a path across a large lake, then made a staircase across a gaping chasm, so she wasn't weighed down by equipment. Elsa could take the most direct route up the North Mountain because she didn't need to take any precautions like Anna and Kristoff. Additionally, she's putting out enough cold magic that wolves would hesitate to attack her, and she's just going straight up the mountain in whatever direction the mood takes her rather than actually trying to follow someone.
- It just bugs me that they drew a lot of attention to Hans' gloves, almost daring the viewer to make a connection to Elsa's gloves, yet they never came into play. I expected him all along to also secretly have elemental powers, perhaps for a final battle against Elsa.
- It helps if you think about it as a metaphor; both are characters hiding deep secrets from Anna (Elsa and her ice powers, Hans and his plan to take over Arendelle) but while one of them is hiding theirs to protect her, the other is hiding it in order to harm her. Besides, people are already complaining that his evil plot came out of nowhere; chances are people would be ESPECIALLY pissed if he also had fire powers out of nowhere as well.
- In tandem with the above: think about it - "the gloves coming off" is a way of describing a person's true intentions being revealed. When did Hans take off his gloves? When he was detailing his plan to Anna!
- Wait a second...watch that scene again. Hans put out a candle with his bare hand - explicitly after he removed the glove.◊ I'm willing to bet they originally meant for him to have fire powers, and eventually decided it would be too out of nowhere. They changed the part later - he puts out the fireplace with a jug of water - so it won't be obvious, but did they neglect to change that small bit and hope viewers wouldn't notice?
- Nah, that's just the normal way people who know what they're doing put out candles. Noobs blow on them, which leaves the wick smoldering and producing smoke. Licking your fingers (which Hans does) and snuffing out the flame by gripping the wick, preferably without dipping your fingers into the hot wax, puts out those embers and leaves the candle smokeless (which the filmmakers got wrong).
- I always thought that Hans' gloves were a quirk similar to Elsa's in that they're to avoid skin-on-skin contact with other people, but while Elsa is afraid of hurting people, Hans is rather... ''different'' about how he sees other people. Maybe he's a bit like Adrian Monk and he's someone who's a bit sensitive to people touching his skin- other people are warm and usually greasy and sweaty, like, ew. The only time Hans actually touches another person's skin with no fabric in the way is when he does his No, You to Anna, who at that point probably doesn't feel much like a human being and anyway, it's worth it for the effect it has. YMMV, though.
No one suggests that perhaps Anna should take some guards or scouts with her on her journey?
- I know it was probably Rule of Drama and would've ruined the plot here, but.....Anna is a princess of Arendelle and, with Elsa missing, the acting Queen. She's also probably not been outside the castle grounds that often, if at all, since she was five years old. She doesn't have a clue where she's going (seeing how she had no idea where Elsa was until she overheard Kristoff's conversation with Oaken). And yet...no one suggests that maybe she should take a guard or two along? I mean, okay, Hans does volunteer to assist Anna sidenote , but she turns him down because she wants him to keep the public in Arendelle calm. Still, you'd think Anna might want to have some form of backup on hand just in case she ran into any problems....
- Besides a heavy helping of The Main Characters Do Everything, the most plausible reason is that Anna knew that Elsa was scared and would perceive any strangers as a threat and lash out (as was aptly demonstrated later - her golem was the first to attack the delegation at her gate). Anna had to approach her alone if she wanted to have a calm discussion with her and avoid putting others at risk. Add in a dash of Anna's usual impulsiveness and the general shock everybody was in, and I think it makes a lot of sense.
Source for Japanese dub castings
- Seriously, can anyone tell me where it is stated in the Japanese dub, Maaya Sakamoto is Elsa, Yui Ishikawa is Anna, and Takehito Koyasu is Hans?
- There seems to be an ongoing edit war on the Japanese Wikipedia with those names being added and removed, but I haven't found any trace of an official source. The official Japanese Disney site only gives the English-language cast.
- And it appears we can now throw those out entirely. The first official cast member has been announced: Takako Matsu is Elsa.
The trade-off between primogeniture and the kingdom of Arendelle
- So, why exactly was the tradition/law of primogeniture more important than ensuring that the probably cursed daughter with magic powers that become hazardous to those around her when in distress didn't end up causing an icy apocalypse from the stress of ruling? Couldn't the king have declared that, for the safety of the kingdom, he would temporarily suspend primogeniture and name his younger child heir for the safety of both his children and the kingdom (and/or privately convince parliament or local equivalent to do so if that's how the local legal system works?
- Somehow bending the rules to let Elsa keep wearing gloves seems a lot less complicated. Also, how does the guy who crowned her NOT notice the stuff is partially iced over?
- Given the time period the movie most likely takes place in, and the various delegates at Elsa's coronation (French, German-most likely Prussian or Austrian, Spanish etc), suddenly changing the line of succession without a good reason for why Elsa was unfit to rule would have invited interference from the European Great Powers.
- This brings up another issue...
- The thing is these things are called laws. They're hard to change. When Emperor Charles VI tried to change the succession laws to allow Maria Theresa to ascend to the rule of the Hapsburg hereditary lands, not only did he have to spend significant portions of his reign convincing the other powers of Europe to allow for this 'Pragmatic Sanction' (which was basically what you were saying, "We're changing the laws of succession to deal with this situation"), but upon his death, a great number decided to ignore it, resulting in the War of the Austrian Succession. It wouldn't be easy to change the laws of succession, and doing so would likely result in bad things for Arendelle - sanctions, maybe wars. We don't know. Because of that, it's probably in Arendelle's best interests to try to resolve Elsa's problems than risk a war as the great powers take advantage of your announcement to get their preferred heir in place, or even generate their own claim.
- The whole Austrian Succession mess is not the best comparison, as Elsa was already considered an acceptable heir. However, shunting aside an heir apparent that has not actively made herself unpopular is a delicate matter at best.
- Great idea, let's make the parents look bigoted in the eyes of the modern audience!
- They already looked like that for their 'bottle it up' instructions. Making her not crown heir would drastically reduce stress and pressures on her — requiring far less bottling it up and far less isolation, enabling her to be herself more. Remember, being the one in charge is a burden, not a privilege, heavy is the head that wears the crown and all that.
- "Remember, being the one in charge is a burden, not a privilege, heavy is the head that wears the crown and all that." Except, that's viewing it from a modern adult perspective. Medieval heirs wouldn't have fought for thrones so much if they had shared that view. Besides, Frozen is in a fairy tale world. In fairy tales, inheriting the throne is usually an unambiguously good thing, part of a traditional Happily Ever After ending, and kids are likely to think that it's awesome — and feel sorry for Elsa if she was denied the throne through no fault of her own.
- There is a non-trivial possibility that Agdar did not realize how fragile Elsa's control was by the time she was in her late teens, a larger possibility that he did not want to admit even to himself how badly he and his wife miscalculated in their efforts to get Elsa's powers reined in, and a near certainty in both cases that they had no idea how powerful Elsa actually was. In any case, Elsa's powers being a secret outside of the royal family (to everyone except Kristoff) means that they also would have to have some sort of legitimate explanation to the public about why they chose to cut her out of the line of succession (and given how much they cared for Elsa, one that would not slander her).
- And to be fair to Agdar and Idun, even the most grounded people often suffer badly after a sudden loss, such as the death of both of your parents. If they had been there to raise Elsa up into adulthood, maybe things would have turned out better. Then again, maybe not.
- This one's easy; Agdar and Idun probably were not expecting to die young. In the prologue of the movie, both Agdar and Idun are still fairly young people in what seems to be their late 20s/early 30s who no doubt anticipated being alive for a good long while yet — and consequently, they anticipated having plenty of time being around to help Elsa come to terms with her powers so that she would be able to control them sufficiently come her elevation to the throne. No one was anticipating that they'd be lost in a freak storm at sea; for all they knew, Elsa wouldn't come to the throne for another twenty or thirty years. Not very forward-thinking of them, perhaps, but how many people throughout human history and their plans have been blindsided by sudden death?
- Another point: Even if the laws of succession were all worked out and Anna ascended the throne, it would have finally confirmed to her that there was something physically and/or emotionally unstable in Elsa which made her unfit to rule, which would in turn have further prompted her into pushing Elsa to tell her the secret.
- Also, what about Anna? Promoting her to heiress apparent (it appears that Arendelle's succession is gender neutral, hence why Agdar and Idun didn't appear to try and conceive a son after Anna was bornnote ) would not only put a strain on Anna, but would also, as stated above, possibly elevate her curiosity about Elsa. Agdar and Idun are shown to clearly care about Anna just as much as they do Elsa, and wouldn't want the risk of two emotionally unstable daughters (even if Elsa were "relieved" or her duties, she still is in need of a lot of support and care).
- There is no reason why Elsa could not have abdicated in favor of Anna. Especially if Elsa was unsuited to the throne. There was a case where a Crown Prince of England abdicated in favor of his younger brother.
- But Elsa is more grounded and savvy than Anna. It's clear who would be the better ruler. Yes, Anna is able to get serious and order people around, but it's more difficult for her because of her Adorkable personality. Anna's way of doing it also seems to cause disdain in people (look at how much effort it took her just to get Kristoff to provide her transportation) whereas Elsa is a more natural leader who people follow on the spot.
- Although allowing Elsa to become the queen definitely presents some problems at the beginning of the movie, primogeniture was probably the best option available. Elsa is, for the most part, able to control her powers. Maybe her methods of doing so weren't the best methods, but they seem to work out for at least the time being. At any rate, her parents wouldn't have had any reason to suspect that the outburst that sets off the movie would happen. Besides, Anna is enormously emotionally immature and lacks sound judgment (falling for Hans, some of her actions on the journey, etc.). Would you really want to give whatever power the crown in Arendelle has to someone who wants to marry someone they just met?
- The Austrian Succession works perfectly here... If they had had gotten rid of a perfectly acceptable heir without a true reason and created their own version of the Pragmatic Sanction, the whole kingdom would have been ripe for interference. What if France (or any other Great Power for that matter) thinks, "Elsa has a better claim!! If we defend her claim and place her on the throne she'll be indebted to us!" You'd have a "War of the Arendelle Sucession" on your hands. And no it wouldn't matter that Elsa was against it, as the war could also be used as a convient excuse to carve Arendelle up, take it over completely, or simply just neutralize it by smashing it's armies with a supposed "just cause." So the powers supposedly fighting for Elsa might not have even cared about her opinion in the matter, her stronger claim would have just been a tool used horrificly. And you're forgetting that nearly everyone who's renounced claims has had large reasons to do so, reasons which are normally overwhelmingly accepted. What would Elsa's have been? The only true reasons would have damaged her and her families reputation- just like when that particular Prince of England damaged the Windsor's reputation when he resigned. Succession laws are also a huge Pandora's box that most intelligent dynasties don't like to screw with. Think about it, changing them- even temporarily sets a dangerous precedent. That the laws can be changed. This could prove dangerous in the future, with all the scheming and wheeling and dealing seen in royal courts it wouldn't be surprising if down the line someone else in the royal family (or maybe simply a noble family) attempted to change the laws to benefit themselves simply based on the fact that, "the laws have been changed before, why not again?" The easiest, simplest, least dangerous route is to simply let Elsa learn to handle herself and then rule as queen. Her parents obviously thought they'd have A LOT more time with her to iron out the kinks. They just died unexpectantly before it could happen.
Everybody's okay with a witch-ruled kingdom
- The dialogue makes clear this is some variant of Europe, the chapel makes it clear something like Christianity is a thing in Arendelle, and the dialog also makes it clear from uses of the word witchcraft with revulsion and horror that the popular and possibly religious concept of witch=bad in and of itself likely exists in-universe. Won't there be massive problems (possibly up to and including a crusade) relating to the fact that a country within Christendom is now openly ruled by a witch?
- Elsa's powers aren't anything like the sort of witchcraft the real Church condemned. Witches were specifically people who were getting powers drawn from The Legions of Hell, and using them to harm and curse their neighbors. The Church never tried to apply the same brush to, for example, the supernatural powers saints and kings were frequently believed to possess. Elsa's powers could be seen as beneficial, as they could confirm, or at least reinforce, the assumption that royalty are born inherently different from ordinary people, and perhaps are somehow invisibly superhuman. Neighboring monarchs would be finding or creating legends that suggest they have something like that in their own family history that might just show itself one day. However even if you presume a 17th century setting (there are enough muskets about to rule out any earlier time periods), the scope of Elsa's power would force a degree of realpolitik into the discussion. The wiser rulers would stand over the shoulder of their lands' ranking prelates as a letter is written to the Arch(?)bishop of Arendelle concerning the 'wild tales', a reply to the effect of "do not worry over Her Highness' Completely Non-Satanic Gifts From The Good Lord" will be duly accepted, and no more would be said. There's also the military and security benefits of having a Person of Mass Destruction running your country when everyone else only has, at best, black powder weapons; Elsa is essentially a war deterrent equal to nuclear weapons. Other nations would be lining up to make friends with Arendelle or shutting up and keeping their heads down.
- Remember also that Elsa was charged by Hans with treason, not witchcraft. Considering that Hans would use any tools available to get the throne, it's unlikely he would pass off such a good and easy opportunity to get rid of her, especially when he'd have the sorcery-hating Duke of Weaseltown (WESELTON!) backing him if he went that route.
- There doesn't seem to be so much prejudice against magic in Arendelle. Elsa's parents don't seem to consider her powers to be evil, simply dangerous. This also compounds the implied LGBT themes, as even the most homosexual-friendly person is going to be a little surprised when one reveals he or she is gay out of apparently nowhere.
- Within Arendelle, everyone would likely turn a blind eye so that what happened in the movie doesn't repeat itself, especially now that she has control over her powers. Besides, she seemingly works in the entertainment industry, such as converting the palace grounds in an ice skating field. She knows how to keep the masses distracted and has proven benevolent to her subjects even if not all of her people were thrilled by her powers.
- For those who still don't like being ruled over by a magical monarch, they can simply leave Arendelle. Given Elsa's powers, anyone who opposes Elsa would likely avoid confronting her for fear of what they think she'll do in response.
- Any nation that decides to attack Arendelle, and any force they send, would have to deal with the full force of Elsa's powers (that's not even factoring Arendelle's army, who would likely take exception to an attack on their Queen or Country). To elaborate; attack by land, she sends a blizzard. Make it through that, you then face an army of Marshmallows. Seaborne invasion is even worse - Elsa would just freeze the fjord solid, immobilizing your ships if not outright shattering their hulls: this is the era of wooden ships, after all. Attempt to offload and cross the ice, she just unfreezes it, dumping you and all your supplies into the drink... and if she's really feeling nasty, freezes it again while you're all in the water. Weselton's lucky she doesn't visit and plunge the nation into eternal winter. Fortunately for neighbouring countries, she seems benevolent enough to not likely advocate an expansionist foreign policy.
- First off, OP assumes that the culture is fully accurate to Europe at that time and not an Alternate History. Given the Church of Saint Genericus that Elsa was coronated in, that's probably not the case. The Duke of Weselton had prejudice against magical people, but the people of Arendelle, on the other hand, though they were quite startled by the sudden appearance of Elsa's powers, were not as quick to immediately share the judgment that their queen must be an evil monster. Note that Hans felt the best way to curry favor with the people of Arendelle that he hoped to rule was to avoid agreeing with the Duke and give Elsa the benefit of the doubt, and he didn't feel he could get away with openly killing her until he thought he could pin Anna's death on her as a justification.
- When the witch in question is both (a) the Queen of the place where you live, with ultimate constitutional authority and power of life-and-death over you, (b) commander-in-chief an army willing to obey her orders and (c) capable of flash-freezing you in an instant if you try anything, I'm guessing that most people weighed up the likely outcomes of trying to burn her to death (either being flash-frozen or arrested and executed for treason) and decided that actually, in this case they were pretty much okay with witchcraft, or at least okay enough to prevent themselves from getting needlessly flash-frozen or decapitated in the town square as a warning to traitors.
Architecture and Engineering
- So, how did Elsa have the architectural skill to make a structurally sound castle on her first try, without any pretty-but-prone-to-collapse flourishes, particularly given she seems to have built it on a whim?
- The book A Sister More Like Me establishes that Elsa had an interest in geometry since childhood, with the mention of fractals in her song confirming this (despite fractals not being invented until 1975). And then there's this quote from BioShock Infinite:
Booker: Where did you learn to pick locks?Elizabeth: Trapped in a tower with nothing but books and spare time... You would be surprised what I know how to do.
- The answer lies in Olaf and the ice stairway that Elsa builds shortly before constructing the castle. If you look a bit more closely at Olaf, you'll notice that his legs aren't actually connected to his body; they just shuffle along the ground while the body levitates above them, kinda like Rayman, and the same can be said for his chest and for his head. That actually is how he's able to come apart and yet get put back together so easily. The bridge is a similar case. It looks solid enough once built, but Elsa builds it by simply extending it from one edge of the chasm to the other *while walking on it*. Realistically, it should have just snapped off and fallen into the chasm. Clearly, Elsa's magical ice can defy the laws of gravity. I would imagine building a fanciful ice palace is a lot easier when all you need to do is give it form and you don't have to worry about the pesky laws of physics collapsing it on top of you.
- But then again, the chandelier did fall from the ceiling.
- With Olaf, Elsa's powers prove that they can create self-regulating items (notice Olaf's able to instantly repair his parts when skewered/disassembled). Her castle is likely held together entirely by her magic, especially since things start to fall apart when she gets upset with Anna's revelation that she sent the kingdom into a deep freeze.
- The book A Sister More Like Me establishes that Elsa had an interest in geometry since childhood, with the mention of fractals in her song confirming this (despite fractals not being invented until 1975). And then there's this quote from BioShock Infinite:
Elsa's Room in "Do You Wanna Build A Snowman?"
- If Elsa didn't know how to thaw her ice, how did her room turn back to normal after the grieving scene in "Do You Wanna Build A Snowman?" I guess she could have just moved to another room, but if her powers went out of control and she had to move again...that's a lot of rooms in the palace that are getting frozen over.
- Elsa's ice seems to have ontological inertia. If she's not actively maintaining it, it has to sustain itself. Olaf demonstrates this when he starts to melt. Her room probably just thawed naturally. As for how this relates to the winter storm, we honestly don't know anything about the effects of the storm. We don't know how far it extended outside of Arendelle, or how cold she dropped the temperature. There is no way to be certain how long it would stay if left to its own devices. We can't even be sure it would end if she died; that might just cause it to stick around until it clears up naturally. Ultimately, it doesn't matter: a surprise blizzard in the middle of summer can be devastating to a medieval country's economy, destroying crops, killing livestock, and also killing citizens who aren't prepared for it. Every day that the winter storm is still in Arendelle makes the kingdom less sustainable.
- The kingdom probably wouldn't have thawed out if they just waited because it's clear from the scenes shown in the town that the temperature is remaining very low. Presumably after Elsa's outbursts at home she'd get back enough equilibrium for her powers to stop affecting the ambient temperature, so it would melt in summer and in winter she could light the fire to get rid of it. (I know princesses don't usually light their own fires but she wouldn't want anyone else to see the room.)
- Elsa couldn't thaw the ice/snow she caused on her coronation day, but nothing indicates she wasn't able to thaw her ice/snow before that. The "eternal winter" she caused on her coronation day, and her not being able to thaw it, was caused by the extreme amount of emotional distress she underwent that day (due to her powers being outed after her confrontation with Anna). During her childhood, she had never experienced this amount of distress, and she probably always was able to thaw her ice/snow up until coronation day.
- Did Anna ever get her memories back of her and Elsa playing as children?
- Well, yes and no. Grand Pabbie did not remove her memories so much as alter them. The girls' location and clothes changed and possibly memories of a couple minutes prepping for wintry fun (assuming she would've remembered that at all), but other than that, she would have remembered those moments much the same way Elsa would. She just didn't know that Elsa was the source of the snow. While Anna now knows that many of her memories of having fun in the snow occurred indoors rather than outdoors, she still does not remember them that way.
- There was a tie-in book that I believe had Anna getting her memories back.
What happened to the henchmen?
- They were both unable to move, on the brink of death...and Elsa's ice seems pretty hard to break...and the climate makes it unlikely that the ice-blades would melt naturally...and I doubt that Elsa would have melted the mountain range in the finale, it being a natural ecosystem in itself...yeah, I'm finding it hard to think they lived.
- You see them getting on the ship home with the Duke of Weselton at the end of the film.
- It's not a stretch to imagine that Hans (not to mention the rest of the search party) helped them down after Elsa was knocked unconscious by the chandelier.
- Use the butt of the crossbow to break the icicles holding Henchman A to the wall, and toss Henchman B a rope and/or slide the ice wall out of the way. Easy as pie.
How does Elsa's hair work?
- Elsa's pre-Let It Go hair is a bun with a forehead braid. Then she takes it down and it turns into a French braid. How?
- A Wizard Did It.
- Elsa's pre-Let It Go hair is a braided bun with the larger bangs twisted into a 'rope' along the side of her head. She pulled out the pins holding the bun together, let the braid loose, and pulled her longer bangs out of the twist.
How did Olaf get into the castle?
- How did Olaf get past the gigantic castle wall, avoid detection, AND somehow conveniently find the room that Anna was locked in?
- He is small and made out of snow. If he keeps his mouth shut remaining unnoticed in a snowstorm is not that hard.
Why keep both of them in the castle?
- Why is Anna stuck in the castle since childhood along with Elsa? It's pretty obvious she was bored and wanted company, so why not let her leave and meet other people?
- She's a princess, she's not supposed to go out and meet those filthy commoners. She might have been offered servants or nobles for company, but knowing Anna, it's unlikely that any company without being able to leave the palace or see Elsa would be enough for her.
- Perhaps to cut down on the rumors? I don't think Anna would be the kind to intentionally gossip, but it's easy for me to imagine her saying things like "yeah, my sister never leaves her room, even inside the castle" or "Sometimes, I see servants throwing out furniture from my sister's room that has water damage, what's up with that?" Or maybe Anna wouldn't spill, but someone else would tell her a story about someone cursed with uncontrollable ice powers, and it would be eerily familiar, enough for her to connect some dots. Elsa and their parents were paranoid, they wouldn't want even a chance that people would start to figure out her secret. And/or the above explanation also makes sense - whether or not the royal family is prejudiced or biased against commoners, it'd still be very weird for Anna to just... walk up to them. Imagine six- or twelve- or sixteen-year-old Anna leaving the castle with a royal escort (if the manpower could even be spared; they were running on a skeletal staff and, again, didn't want people going in and out to spread rumors about Elsa) and trying to wander around and make friends with random subjects. Alternately, she *did* try that, and found it so awkward and unsatisfying that she pinned her hopes on the coronation introducing her to peers of her social status (like Hans) and forcing Elsa out of hiding.
- Also, their parents already feel horrible about having to keep Elsa unfairly confined for something that isn't her fault. Keeping Elsa locked up while letting her little sister roam about freely would seem even more unfair. Not to mention they're probably being rather overprotective of Anna's safety, given that she'd almost died and all.
Why did it take Kristoff so long to get back to the castle?
- In the climax, after Kristoff drops Anna off at the castle, it seems to take him much longer to get back while galloping downhill at breakneck speed than he spent walking slowly and dejectedly uphill while leaving.
- Maybe he had an initial burst of speed to leave the castle behind him as fast as possible, and then slowed down to give Sven a rest. Also, on the way back down into Arendelle, he and Sven were fighting through a blinding snowstorm and snow was blowing in their faces.
- So why did striking the frozen Anna make Hans' sword shatter and produce a force wave knocking him back?
- If you make iron or steel cold enough fast enough, it becomes extremely brittle (also explaining how Elsa got out of the shackles). The shockwave could have been caused by the magic that froze the sword as it struck Anna's hand, which might have been connected to the freezing-curse or an instinctive reaction from Elsa.
- One 'save scene' was actually going to include Hans getting back up with the remains of his sword and trying again, and the sisters were trying to protect each other when Kristoff would have stepped in and punched him down. And though I would sell a kidney to see that, the writers obviously didn't want to take away from Anna's rescue, or were worried about showing Kristoff hitting Hans after Hans mentioned having bullying brothers.
- Not that physics really applies to magic...but Anna freezing solid so quickly would have effectively released a significant amount of kinetic energy from arrested atomic motion. Normally that would be expressed as heat. But since her freezing coincided with Hans' sword striking her hand the kinetic energy may have transferred to the sword, and him, instead. That would further explain the sword shattering and the shockwave.
Gloves vs. Shackles
- It will be a stupid question, i know, but it bugs me: How does Elsa's gloves work? They are not magical gloves made by the trolls or anything like this, they are ordinary gloves. And yet Elsa has much less trouble with controlling her magic when she has them on (or much more trouble without them). How is that even possible? What's even more puzzling: the solid, metal cuffs Elsa was chained with turned to ice and broke quickly - and she was chained for a short while only. How come the gloves were not damaged in the slightest after so many years of wearing them day in, day out?
- Elsa's gloves are a classic Magic Feather. They control her powers because she believes they control her powers. Likewise, she can break the cuffs because she doesn't believe they can stop her.
- Note that Elsa was able to transform her coronation gown into her Snow Queen outfit. That validates the notion that the gloves were a psychological crutch, and not an actual limiting factor on her powers. By the time she was a teenager she did not want even her family touching her at all, gloves or no gloves. They may have given her a sense of security. But she still tended to stand with her hands clasped close to her body, even with the gloves on, and declined a dance when asked at the coronation ball.
- As for why the gloves weren't damaged, Elsa's family is the royal family of a reasonably wealthy city-state. It is far from unlikely that they had enough money to afford multiple pairs of gloves over the years. Elsa likes wearing gloves, but that doesn't translate to 'Elsa likes wearing one single pair of gloves and only one single pair of gloves'.
- Indeed, they'd have to have gotten her several pairs, considering they'd first started having her wear them when she was a little girl and Elsa's hands would have grown since then.
- When the royal family first visits the trolls, the trolls apparently recognize the king on sight. Yet trolls are thought to be a myth by the people of Arendelle, so how do they have that kind of knowledge of what the king looks like? Further, when Kristoff brings Anna to their home, no mention is made of how she is a princess despite the aforementioned knowledge of the royalty of Arendelle. That their adopted son is in love with a princess is something you would think would at least be noticed.
- Given that Agdar has a reliable way of locating the trolls that is kept secret from everyone else, coupled with the fact that he thinks of the idea of going to them so quickly, it's likely that the royal family has had dealings in the past with the trolls, who obviously view themselves as loyal subjects (given how quickly the Grand Pabbie acknowledges the King and how he immediately begins administering treatment to Anna), but they aren't supposed to call on them for every little thing (hence why Agdar can't remember on his own where the trolls live and has to consult a map). Odds are that maybe meeting the trolls is part of the coronation/rite of passage for monarchs in Arendelle, but Elsa missed it from a combination of her father being dead and her having her freak out before that could happen.
- This is validated by the fact that Agdar apparently knew exactly which book to look for in the library, and didn't seem to bother to stop to read it, just to get the map hidden inside of it. It is worth noting that many ancient traditions hold to the idea of there being a special connection between a sovereign and their land. The trolls, being strongly associated with elemental earth, may share this view and regard the monarch as the metaphysical embodiment of the kingdom and not just a person in fancy dress clothes.
- I like this, as the trolls' existence doesn't seem to be common knowledge. Anna's clearly totally unaware that such things were real.
Wait a minute Hans, where's your ring?
- How come not even ONE person asked Hans about the wedding vows? Not only there is no witness of such event (which is understandable),Hans doesn't have the wedding ring on his finger. Basically, he has NOTHING to prove his rights to the throne of Arendelle. Okay, i understand that Arendelle is in deep crisis because of the eternal winter, but were they REALLY going to accept that someone guy who came here just few days ago is their king because he claims he married a princess who died seconds later? Anyone could say that!
- He and Anna asked Elsa to marry them at the coronation in the presence of multiple witnesses. Also, Anna previously left him in charge, and he proved himself caring about the people in their time of need. This should be enough proof not to question Hans' authority at the time of a succession crisis, not to mention the problem with eternal winter that still needs to be resolved.
- A ring is not necessary, but two witnesses are, and Hans' account of their vows and Anna's death does not mention any witnesses.
- Agreed with the above explanation, but would like to also add that many witnesses also witnessed Anna telling Hans to "kiss me right now" before giving them privacy. She clearly was into him. Also, a ring is not technically needed for a marriage.
- Consider also that at the point this is all happening, Elsa is unknowingly destroying the kingdom with magic snow and has been imprisoned, her sister — who, the last anyone here saw or heard, was clearly not far from death — has apparently just died and they're all in imminent danger of freezing to death. At this point, they're probably just functioning in a crisis-mode state of thought where they want to get the immediately pressing we're-in-imminent-danger-of-freezing-to-death problem sorted out first and then address all the legal niceties.
- It wouldn't be difficult in the slightest for Hans to bribe or pressure two servants into saying they were in the room, and heard the vows. That's a detail to be fussed out after the fact.
- Hans' general MO is Bavarian Fire Drill now, while everyone's panicking, tie up the loose ends later (or not; he may show no sign of the explosive temper often associated with The Sociopath, but maybe 'impulsiveness' explains why not all of his schemes, on close inspection, are as thought-through as they seem.)
Was Anna neglected by her parents?
- Think about it. During "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?", Anna is all alone. The only time she is seen with her parents is when she hugs them goodbye.
- Plus, we also see them more with Elsa and Anna by herself because it's establishing the drama of Elsa's developing powers and her struggles to hide them and her increasing disconnect from Anna — for all we know, their parents devoted as much time as they could to Anna when they weren't dealing with Elsa's problems, we just didn't see it because it wasn't relevant to the story that was being told.
- Anna's relationship with her parents seems to be relatively warm and loving during the few times when they are shown together, so it doesn't seem particularly likely. In fact, her ability to let her parents leave without trouble and trust that they'll return (as unfortunate as that ends up turning out) is contrasted with Elsa's absolute horror at the idea that they're leaving, to help set up the difference between Anna's apparently normal relationship with her family and Elsa's terrified fear of losing them.
Ok, so why did Kristoff take her back?
After we find out that only love can thaw Anna's frozen heart, the trolls suggest that perhaps True Love's Kiss would thaw her, and that makes Anna's mind cast immediately to Hans. Ok, I understand that. However, why did Kristoff agree to take her down to him? Didn't he say to her not a day before that "you can't marry someone you just met," and want to dissuade her from being with Hans? Why take her back, especially since he probably figured out by that time how much he cared about her?
- Anna's mind doesn't cast back to Hans. Kristoff is the one who suddenly makes the connection between true love and Hans (despite his better judgement and earlier disbelief that Anna and Hans could genuinely be in true love, it's the only idea he can come up with), then tells/reminds/advises Anna that she needs to get back to Hans. Anna's own thoughts are elsewhere - throughout the troll's musical number (especially the "people make bad choices when..." lines) Anna is clearly thinking about Elsa and taking in the advice in relation to the recent confrontation with her sister, rather than being distracted about Hans, Kristoff or anyone else. If her freezing heart hadn't been in play to debilitate her, Anna probably would have returned to Elsa after hearing the trolls' advice and used their lessons to fix everything. When Kristoff says "we need to get you back to Hans", Anna's response is clearly dazed and confused, agreeing only because at that moment she's not thinking straight. Had Anna been more lucid she would likely have refused his idea and said, "No, we need to get back to the North Mountain. You heard the trolls: they're saying that my sister might be just as easily able to undo the damage."
- I feel like Kristoff's self-esteem is on the low side, and it's combined with some denial. He doesn't really believe Anna could love him. Better that she get back to this prince who she does love and who loves her. The idea that Hans turns out to be... well... Hans, doesn't really occur to him (Kristoff suspected Hans might not be perfect but it wasn't like anyone could foresee him being like that). He's just too worried about Anna, to think about his own happiness. That's what Olaf meant.
Would killing Elsa have really solved the eternal winter?
- Do we have any prove that if the Duke of Weselton or Hans killed Elsa, the eternal winter would end? There were cases that the person responsible for a certain curse were the only one who could remove it, and killing her/him would mean that the curse were irreversible...
- We have no proof one way or another, but when it turned out that Elsa didn't know how to lift the curse solo, then anything was worth a shot.
Ice-obssesed guy seeks normal girl why?
- Kristoff loves ice. It's damn near a canon Cargo Ship. When he and Anna reach the ice palace, he wants to go in and explore, outright stating his love of ice. So, he starts dating the girl he has no romantic sparks with, who he knows full well has a sister who generates ice. The first two thirds of movie, up through Hans' FaceĖHeel Turn sets up the idea that Elsa and Kristoff will hit it off over their mutual love of ice, and that still could have happened after Hans. In fact, that would make more sense then the Kristoff-Anna Romantic Plot Tumor.
- I like burritos, but that doesn't mean I'm fated to fall in love with somebody who cooks in a Mexican restaurant. Kristoff may be the biggest fan ever of Elsa as an 'artist', but that doesn't mean he has to enter a romantic relationship with her. He might even admire her enough to annoy most girlfriends or wives if he hadn't happened to hook up with a woman who had Elsa at the centre of her life.
- It makes for a good fake-out for the viewers, especially with Kristoff's blond hair. But at the start, he's not really thinking about love; he's thinking about his ice business. Once Anna has gotten him to open up a little, you also realize that he is consistently aware that he is basically the scrapings off society's boots, aka the bottom of the barrel. Then in the Ice Palace, Anna and Elsa are arguing. I always assumed that Kristoff was wandering around downstairs saying "This is freaking AWESOME. I want to get to know the chick who did this - and I mean know her really well!" Then he hears the argument getting worse and worse. "Uh-oh, that doesn't sound good." He runs up the stairs and gets there just in time to see Anna take a blast of ice magic to the heart, as we see him catch her. Elsa doesn't want to know Kristoff, and Kristoff realises that Elsa is very dangerous. Okay, time to go. And on top of that, Elsa creates Marshmallow, who makes a spirited attempt at killing them. That sort of thing is kind of off-putting. By the time Elsa isn't crazy, Kristoff is in love with Anna.
- Did the OP miss all the indications that Anna is a lot more like Kristoff than Elsa ever was...? We're talking about a girl who poses with paintings and has conversations with suits of armor, meeting a guy who routinely "speaks" for his pet reindeer. A guy who rappels down snowy cliffs with elan and a girl who's quite willing to tackle the route up those same cliffs without climbing gear. Two young people who grew up without other kids to play with, yet who still express a kid's unbridled exuberance about things or people they think are way cool. Just being "ice-obsessed" is hardly going to override Kristoff and Anna simply "clicking" on a compatible-personality level.
Just how wrong were the king and queen?
- So it's pretty much a fact that hiding Elsa away from the world was not a good idea and teaching her to fear her powers was wrong. However, was teaching her to keep her emotions in check really so wrong? When Elsa is growing up and is scared of her magic, her father tells her, "getting upset only makes it worse." And he's right. Sure, Elsa's figures out how to stop the winter by the end of the movie, but she's still not very much in control of her emotions. What if sometime in the future she loses her temper and freezes Arendelle over again? Consider a person in real life who has anger issues and lashes out at people when they get angry. You would teach them to control their anger and not let it get the best of them right? Elsa's parents were trying to teach her to control her emotions, not suppress them. I think a lot of people forget that.
- That's true, but they still did a piss poor job of it either way. Perhaps their deaths had something to do with it but at the end of the day Elsa still grew up terrified of herself and her parents have a good deal of the blame for that. It seems that based on Elsa's sayings, "conceal, don't feel", "be the good girl you always have to be" her parents equated suppressing her emotions to controlling them. And it worked right up until she snapped.
- There's some belief that it was a misunderstanding on Elsa's part, hence the shortening of the mantra from "conceal it, don't feel it" to "conceal, don't feel." The king wasn't trying to teach her to control her emotions so much as stop thinking about her powers. That's what "conceal it, don't feel it" was about: his idea of how Elsa should control her powers was like ignoring an itch so you don't scratch it, or act like it's not there. By misunderstanding, Elsa dropped the two "it"s from the mantra, making it "conceal, don't feel," and thus, made it "don't feel emotion or the powers will manifest themselves".
- Controlling her emotions was about keeping calm and working through the manifestation. You can think about it like learning a new skill. Don't allow your frustration at failures to prevent you from focusing on the task of learning. With enough practice, everything will start falling into place until it becomes easier and easier.
- Agdar wasn't trying to help Elsa control her powers; he was helping her to restrain them. They knew that her powers flared out of control when Elsa felt strong emotions, such as the time she shot Anna in the head in panic, so he was trying to make her into The Stoic in order to suppress her powers. Unfortunately, that backfired because they didn't give her a healthy outlet for her emotions, leading to her powers manifesting out of her control whenever she got emotional about something. Given how quickly she was accused of sorcery, it's not surprising that he did this, but it's the source of the problem in the film: If Elsa had found a healthy outlet for her emotions instead of bottling them up, she wouldn't have been having the outbursts that lead to her self-imposed exile.
- How about this: that King Agdar, like most of the north European elite of the 19th century, was also brought up to be The Stoic- meaning that he's a rather repressed man who's horribly ill-equipped to deal with a child like Elsa. This is, after all, the generation most associated with the Madwoman in the Attic trope.
- Also, as this was the 19th century, Agdar, even if he referred to doctors, would be using pre-Freudian psychology. As in "pre-psychology-actually-existing". The whole concept of giving Elsa a "healthy outlet for emotions" is a new concept, and quite frankly, the whole concept of emotional health didn't exist back then.
- Also, even if the King understood that it wasn't so much that Elsa needed to get a tighter grip on herself (which is Elsa's interpretation, and it doesn't work) just saying to someone "Relax, stop worrying!" doesn't work when it's coming from someone who's very worried themselves. This was why Anna could lead Elsa to her breakthrough when their father never found the way.
How isolated was Elsa?
- It's made clear that growing up, Elsa was secluded in her room for a lot of the time, and that she did not interact with Anna they way she did when they were little. When they talk at the coronation, Anna is clearly nervous, uncomfortable, and unused to talking to Elsa. However, just how isolated was she? It seems unlikely that Elsa would have literally lived out her entire childhood and adolescence in her room, or that she never spoke to Anna at all in the years they grew up. After all, she does come out to say goodbye to her parents. Did Anna and Elsa ever pass in the hallways of the castle, or have meals together with their parents? Just how often did Anna and Elsa see each other after Elsa decided to shut herself away?
- According to the picture book, Elsa did come out of her room but she wore gloves and didn't speak to Anna.
- In particular it has Elsa knowing how Anna dresses, how messy Anna's room is; Anna knowing that Elsa liked proper tea, and was cooped up in the study (not bedroom) and enjoying it (the weirdo.) There's even a picture of Elsa watching (in a dressing room mirror) Anna run by, with a smile on both faces.
- You don't have to never meet for your younger sibling to want to spend more time with you.
- Elsa wasn't necessarily completely isolated. Do You Wanna Build a Snowman is mostly about wanting to play and be "best buddies" again, and only after their parents' death does Anna say "People are asking where you've been." (If she had been completely shut up for ten years or so by that point, they would surely have ceased to bother.) Most likely Elsa moved about the castle freely and participated in family things, but avoided being alone with Anna, and especially playing with her. After all, it was in exactly that situation that she hurt Anna. Whenever Anna's nagging got to her, she shut herself in her room, to keep Anna away for both of their sakes (she thought).
- Agreed, but I would still say that Elsa spent the better part of her time in her room.
- Also, Elsa would probably have just been making excuses for various things of pressing time, like how she pawned Anna off on the Duke of Weaseltown (WESELTON!) because she doesn't dance. Especially after their parents died, Elsa probably had a lot of tutoring on her duties and international relations. Who knows how she would have handled any meetings.
- I think Elsa is allowed to leave her own room, but her various 'issues'- shame, depression, generalised anxiety- mean that she starts to avoid doing so if she could.
- A Sister More Like Me says that Elsa 'needed peace and quiet'. In other words, she's an introvert. Introverted people often need a certain amount of 'alone time' and it's not necessarily unhealthy for them.
- While their talk at the coronation is awkward, it does not feel like it's the first time they see each other in years. And for Anna to have developed theories about why Elsa always wears Conspicuous Gloves, she would have to have seen her sporting them more than once before. So they probably saw each other occasionally. Also, they certainly received some tutoring befitting their status (although, given her condition, Elsa maybe got hers from her parents only). Finally, it's implied that both sisters are wearing a corset, and I don't think it's a garment you can put on by yourself.
- They could have always had a servant, like Gerda, help them with the corset.
- A number of fanfics go with the idea that Anna and Elsa did interact as much as they did before, just that Elsa couldn't be alone with Anna in the same room.
- I can't help wondering just how Elsa was going to keep herself occupied, cloistered away in her reote ice palace.
- I'm sorry, but this keeps bugging me. If Elsa was queen, how was killing Anna treason? She's the Queen, so her word is law, and besides, royalty kill siblings all the time, especially in ye olden days.
- One, Frozen seems to take place in the Early Modern period rather than in the Middle Ages.note And even if Arendelle is an absolute monarchy (depending on how you see it, it's entirely possible that Arendelle's government could just as easily be a constitutional monarchy, but that's not the point), it still doesn't give Elsa the right to murder people without reason, especially her own royal family. If Elsa really wanted to kill Anna (she didn't, but again, that's not the point), there should at least have been a trial and execution per due process, otherwise the indiscriminate spilling of royal blood could well provoke a revolt and/or foreign intervention from other kingdoms. Besides, by that point, Elsa had already been imprisoned for summoning the winter and it hadn't helped matters, so the nobles were probably just eager for any excuse to get rid of her. Killing the heir presumptive to the throne without proper legal process would be treason in many jurisdictions, even if the killer is the monarch.
Anna the Child Bride
I just realized something that should be obvious: Elsa is the elder sibling who was crowned when she came of age. This makes Anna underage, so even if Elsa had been cool with her engagement with Hans, could they even get married? The way Anna talked about it made it sound like they were getting married next week.
- By coronation day, Elsa is 21 and Anna is 18. Old enough to get married.
- Could be like drinking age. By 18 Anna is legally an adult, but is still too young to officially occupy the throne.
- If Anna was underage, then her request for Elsa's blessing wasn't just a desire for her sister to be happy for her — she needed her legal guardian's official permission to get married.
- In the 1800s, "of age" meant 21. Of course, this is a Disney movie. Remember Ariel married off at 16, or when old enough to (in 21st century America at least) get a driver's license. Sleeping Beauty took place on Aurora's 16th birthday, and she was happily engaged by movie's end. Heck, not two generations ago, it was commonplace for couples to get married at 17-18.
- In many European legal traditions there was/is a gap- some of them as long as nine years- between an age where it's legal to marry with your parent/guardian's consent, and being 'of age', when one could marry without their involvement (legally- socially is another matter)
- Actually, there's more to this than some people might realize: In this time period, anyone in line to a throne needed to get permission from the monarch to marry. If they failed to get it and went ahead with the marriage, the monarch had legal grounds to cut them out of the line of succession. In other words, Anna's age is irrelevant, it's her status as the new queen's sister that's the problem. That's why she actually brings Hans to Elsa and asks Elsa for her blessings.
- On a related note, Hans should have been asking permission from the King of the Southern Isles (whether that be his father or one of his twelve older brothers) before he proposed- though since it looks like Hans came to Arendelle already intending to get hitched, he may have covered that matter of business in advance. A good real life exploration of what happens if one doesn't ask for blessing is what happened to either Mary or Catherine Grey, yes sisters of the nine day queen Lady Jane Grey.
- There's a chance that the worst that could happen as a result of Hans not having permission from the ruler of the Southern Isles is losing his place in their line and, since he deems it so low he doesn't hope to become King there, it'd not bother him. It's also possible that his place is low enough to exempt him from needing a permission.
Elsa the queen.
- At the end of the movie, how did Elsa convince the people that she was still fit to rule after nearly destroying the kingdom, instead of abdicating the throne in favor of Anna?
- Anna probably wouldn't have accepted the throne, even if everyone insisted she take it. And with Elsa having control over her powers, it would be very beneficial to have her as the queen. Not only is she basically a One-Woman Army (Enemy army on the way by land? Cue a blizzard that grinds them to a halt because they're not prepared! Enemy navy sailing in? Just re-freeze the fjord so they can't get within striking distance!), but she can ensure that there's no damage from cold or ice, stop freak snowstorms, and give everyone all the winter fun they could want (courtyard-wide ice rink, anyone?)
- Seems like it would take a lot of courage to tell your home-grown Snow Queen who just froze the kingdom that you don't want her. This is probably not a person you want to make mad or angry.
- Considering Elsa could hardly be described as malevolent, it's doubtful she'd purposefully freeze someone or the kingdom for telling her she's not wanted.
- It doesn't matter what Elsa would do, all that matters in regards to that is what they think she'll do.
- The people show every sign of loving their queen. They draw back when she's warning them all to stay away, but they seem glad and relieved when they're watching Anna thaw and Elsa hug her.
- I imagine that, between thawing Anna and banishing Hans, Elsa might have appeared on the castle balcony with Anna at her side, and made a speech begging the people's forgiveness for the misery she had put them all through, and vowing to use her powers only for good in the future.
How in the world was this originally supposed to end?
The official word is that Hans was not originally a villain, but if that had been the case, there would have been no one to attack Elsa in the climax and, thus, no need for Anna to save her. So where was their "act of true love" originally going to come from? How could Anna have possibly been saved in a version of the story without another villain attacking her sister? Unless the entire story was vastly, vastly changed, the whole "made a villain at the last minute" claim seems exaggerated — the character couldn't have been changed to a villain that late in the writing process for the story to work.
- Elsa was originally a villain. We can only assume that the original script was very different from the final version.
- They were still writing the songs when Elsa was changed to an Anti-Villain. And "Let It Go" was the first song written. The songs and voice-overs are recorded earlier than animation is completed. After realising Elsa wouldn't be the main villain, they likely changed tack and did some heavy rewriting.
- This is more or less explained by the Spring Pageant outtake on the deluxe soundtrack album. In the original concept of the film, there was a troll prophecy about unending winter, that seemed to ambiguously imply that killing someone with a sword would end the curse. It also casts Elsa in a bad light as a "ruler with a frozen heart." With Elsa's bad attitude in the original script, it's easy to see a misguided or jerky-but-not-villainous character being inspired to stab her in the hopes of saving Arendelle.
With blasts of cold will come dark artAnd a ruler with a frozen heartAll will perish in snow and iceUnless you are freed with a sword sacrifice
- Come on, all we need to do is eliminate that Bond Villain speech, change it to a "I'm sorry. I don't love you. I just wanted your kingdom. However, I will avenge you and make this right", and Hans's motivations could easily be that of a misguided good guy.
- Which could explain why Hans was shifted from a mere Admiral to a 'spare' prince in his own right: the Admiral quite liked Anna but had to ultimately admit that her most attractive feature was the wealth promotion to royalty that came with her- presumably the Admiral wasn't set on getting rid of the sister and making himself king. That would make his gold-digging motives just about acceptably grey without their being the dastartlyist dastardliness that Hans eventually commits. After all, the shocking thing about Hans' attitude to the marriage isn't that it's mercenary (that's hereditary power for you) but the deceitful way he behaves about it. Plus, a low-born Admiral could feasibly have really needed the status of a wife above his station to be accepted, so made more sympathetic.
- Additionally, it needn't have been Hans planning to marry her for her wealth but not being a sociopath about it—maybe he really did like her, really did want to court her, had convinced himself he did love her (or would grow to). They get to the kiss of True Love scene and...the kiss doesn't work. Heartbroken, he apologizes to her for not being able to save her, then goes to see Elsa, either to see if he can get her to save Anna or if it comes to it, kill her to save both Anna and Arendelle. She escapes the cell, he chases after her, and the scene on the ice plays out exactly the same—he might even think by that point Anna really has died (because he doesn't know about Olaf coming to help her out), but either way he attacks Elsa out of revenge or because he thinks it's the only way to fix everything. Anna intervenes, Hans can't stop his swing in time...and Anna's sacrifice thaws Elsa's icy heart as well as her own, turning her away from villainy so she ends the eternal winter. This could explain how Hans was originally not a villain and Elsa was, but have a similar ending.
Where are the Arendelle nobility when needed?
The country enters on crisis-mode, the royal family is disappeared ... and foreigners seem to take charge of the kingdom. I know that Anna left Hans in charge, but it seems he only discuss his decisions (including things like arresting, sentencing to death and killing the Queen) with foreign dignataries. Where are the local noblemen, ministers of the government, judges, etc.? Don't they have anything to say?
- Since Hans was (presumably) visiting Arendelle for the first time, he might not have been acquainted with officials other than the royals. Or, considering his plans to take over the throne, he might have disregarded any officials from Arendelle, as they might've just gotten in the way. This could also explain why he only seems to associate with the Duke of Weselton: since Weselton was Arendelle's biggest trading partner until Elsa makes an embargo with him, the Duke might have been the closest person Hans knew to an Arendelle official (as he would probably have some knowledge of and stake in the kingdom). Hans might have also only really associated with the Duke because he agreed with Hans' plans to kill Elsa.
- So Hans, the scheming Chessmaster plotting to take over the kingdom, couldn't be bothered to suss out what the local power structure was. And then, when the kingdom is in crisis and a foreigner seizes power based on the vague, hasty decree of the heir-apparent (not the reigning monarch), that local power structure... saw that he was ignoring them, decided they weren't needed, and wandered off to watch Game of Thrones. That makes sense.
- When Anna left to go find Elsa, she left Hans in charge. Anna's word might just be really important.
- With Elsa AWOL and angsting, Anna was in charge. Leaving Hans in charge meant that he could hold his own council, and he chose to discuss it with those who had no real authority over the kingdom. Serves as a great Foreshadowing of his later betrayal, actually. Most likely, the Arendelle authorities were tasked with keeping everyone alive during the Freeze, while he covered it up by claiming that he was handling the foreign dignitaries.
You're gonna keep them?
- "Cuties. I'm gonna keep you." Waaaaait... does this make Kristoff a changeling? (It's much worse if you know your mythology.)
- Nope, Kristoff didn't have a family before he met the trolls.
Thirteenth In Line?
- The most implausible moment in the whole film: Two beautiful, wealthy, eligible young noblewomen, one about to become queen, and the Southern Isles sends the thirteenth in line for the throne to the coronation ceremony. It's implied that Arendelle is comparatively wealthy and economically stable, as local kingdoms/princedoms go. Hans's twelve brothers would be murdering each other (and quite possibly their wives!) for a chance at Elsa or Anna. How does Hans end up with the duty?
- Hans' brothers might all be married already and if they are, they are most likely married to noblewomen who are socially equal to or just a bit lower than Elsa and Anna, so there is no need for them to rush off to marry. Hans, being the youngest and unmarried brother, was probably sent to A. be the Southern Isle's representative, and B. woo Elsa or Anna and marry one of them. If Hans and his brothers all married princesses from different kingdoms, that gives their family lots of political power. Think Queen Victoria and how her children married into royal families all across Europe. The line at the end saying that Hans will face his brothers' as punishment implies that they didn't expect him to go crazy and try to kill Elsa for the throne. The Doylist explanation for Hans' place in the succession is so that the audience will understand that Hans has no chance of ever being a king through inheritance.
- Also, seeing as Hans is the youngest, it makes sense that he'd be forced to go to the kingdom where it'd be hardest to get hitched because it's likely that all his older brothers had snatched up all the "easy" princesses and noblewomen in the area, so Hans was forced to go to one of the few other places with sufficient nobility. And Arendelle was an obviously open choice - remember, Elsa had a reputation as an aloof shut-in whom no one had seen in years, so she probably didn't get many suitors. Hans mentions that he initially came for Elsa before he encountered Anna.
- Arendelle is based on Norway, so it's pretty far north. The 'Southern' Isles might be pretty far away, too far for them to be all that concerned about it, but not too far for a jealous and desperate son to travel to for a chance to seize power.
- The Southern Isles are based on Denmark, which isn't that far away from Norway.
- Or, if the allegations that he was mistreated by his family are true, it's very possible that Hans' family was just trying to get rid of him, even temporarily. Perhaps they needed to send a representative but none of the other brothers felt inclined to attend. At that point Hans decided to try to make the best of the situation.
- I assumed Hans's family hadn't sent him at all, that Hans was there of his own choosing to do his dastardly plan. It explains why it was just him and his horse, and no other assistants - plus at the end "We'll see what his brothers think of this" implies his home may be unawares.
- Or he talked them into letting him go but they never for a moment took the idea seriously that he'd successfully woo one of the sisters. It doesn't sound like Hans' family think very much of him. Otherwise they'd make use of his abilities instead of letting him go rogue.
- Since we never get to see the other representatives in detail, it's possible that there was an entire delegation from the Southern Isles, including some of his older brothers. It would be bad form of the highest caliber to send someone so unimportant to such a prestigous event, so it's likely that Hans either joined the delegation without telling anyone or was there as an underling to one of his older brothers and managed to (almost) score himself a princess in the process.
- I always felt like the deal with Hans was basically, twelve brothers, and you're going to get a bit neglected. That doesn't mean you're abused. And he only mentioned three of his brothers mocking him. He had nine others who didn't, rememeber? To make him feel important, he could have been sent to represent the kingdom and eye up either queen or princess. Except he took it as an opportunity to get his dastardly on.
Snowman Pain Perception
- During their quest to and from Elsa's Ice Palace, Olaf is knocked to pieces and look at that, he gets impaled, all without him feeling seriously hurt. However, it's the fireplace inside Arendelle's castle that causes him to show some intolerance for pain (albeit in a calm, Plucky Comic Relief kind of way). Why was it the fire that elicited a pain reaction from him, as opposed to all the instances of him being destroyed, decapitated, and impaled?
- Maybe because heat and fire would render him a puddle, in the right temperatures, impalement and dismemberment don't actually harm him because he can just put himself back together.
- Impalement and the like merely rearrange his molecules bit. His arm catching fire, on the other hand, could do some actual damage.
"I don't see no ring"
- Well of course you don't, troll kiddo, because Anna is wearing MITTENS! Can trolls see through clothes or something?
So Elsa has perfect control now?
- Okay, Elsa has been battling for control of her powers for 12-13 years by now, and all of a sudden she can control them perfectly after a single Eureka Moment? I get that she now understands how to control her powers, but that's different from being able to actually control them all the time. She can still get upset or become afraid, and she's more used to trying to shut down those emotions rather than deal with them in a healthy way, even if she knows she should calm down. There are times when a person knows being upset or angry won't help a situation, but that doesn't mean they stop being angry because they decide to.
- Look how quickly she masters her powers once she decides to "Let It Go." With absolutely zero practice in over a decade, she creates a castle, clothing, and sentient life. She just never made the connection before between emotional state and her ability to control her power, since she was actively trying to surpress her powers rather than study them. Anna's comment about true love "thawing" a frozen heart makes the connection in her mind that by using her positive emotions, she can dispell as well as create the snow.
- Even if she can control her powers, that doesn't meant she will be able to fully control her emotions.
- When she tried to control her emotions, she bottled them up and lost control at incredibly awkward times. Now that she is in total control of her powers rather than trying to bury them, she won't feel the need to bury her emotions anymore for fear of lashing out. She can express her emotions, which will give her better understanding and control over the emotions that cause accidental ice ages.
- Elsa spent most of her life in a downward spiral: the more she was afraid of her powers, the more they manifested without her consent, and the more she was afraid of them. It is similar to someone who begins hyperventilating because afraid of lacking air. Being able to thaw a whole kingdom probably restored faith in her abilities enough for them to be under control again.
- The synopsis of the upcoming Frozen Fever short mentions how Elsa's powers mess up the birthday party plans they were making. Also, the short novels 'Anna & Elsa: Sisterhood is the strongest magic' makes it clear Elsa can still lose control over her powers when she is tired or upset.
- Since at the end of the movie Elsa is the queen and seems completely in control of her powers. Does that put Kristoff out of a job? If the queen walks by a pool of water and touches it every day, you've effectively eliminated the ice business.
- Since Kristoff is now Royal Ice Master and Deliverer, that means the Ice Harvesters will all be under his employ anyway and answer to him. Essentially the ice industry of Arendelle will become a government-owned monopoly. Clearly Elsa didn't put Kristoff out of a job because he now works for her.
- However consider the consequences of doing something like that. If Elsa did walk by a lake or pond and froze it so that the harvesters could collect the ice, slowly but surely the lake would start to dry up. Also the constant shift in temperature caused by Elsa freezing the water and unfreezing it everyday could kill the wildlife in the area.
- As evidenced by Olaf's personal snow cloud, Elsa has enough of a handle on her powers to create highly localized "endless winters" now.
- She's the Queen. It's not unreasonable to suggest that she has other duties that will occupy her time other than making ice for Kristoff to move about the place. I strongly suspect that Arendale's methods of procuring ice will take place the same way they did before she came along, and that now she has Elsa will more or less restrict using her ice powers to special occasions.
- To add to everything else here, Arendelle's ice industry is probably primarily based on export. As strange as it sounds in the modern day, ice was actually harvested and sold from countries with large amounts of it (including Norway, Arendelle's obvious inspiration) throughout the 19th century. Assuming that Kristoff's position isn't just a titular one to make him nobility and legitimize his relationship with Anna, he probably mostly deals with trade on a governmental level. Having more ice to export would give him more to do.
- So, the ending was sweet and all, but did Elsa actually solve the problem of accidentally ice-blasting her sister? She was fairly in control of her powers before both incidents, after all. Does she now know how to thaw the damage? Or is Anna doomed within the week?
- First off, I would argue that her power was fairly in control of her during the "blast the heart" incident, and second off, she controlled her powers with instinctive love beforehand (blasting her sister in the head, and thus allowing fear to creep in, made her forget) and has now figured out how to do it manually. I'd be very confident in her ability to remove the damage to Anna's head. Also, Anna's Skunk Stripe vanished when Elsa thawed her out at the end; I wouldn't be surprised if the damage was removed during that same incident.
- Elsa was in control of her powers only when she was feeling calm. As soon as her mood shifted even slightly, things went to Hell (notice how the castle started to crack while she was freaking out about Arendelle being frozen). Now that she has more control of her emotions, she can prevent freakouts like the one she had when she froze the kingdom.
- Elsa wasn't 'slightly' losing control. Everything was really messing up. The most terrifying day of her life. All these people might hate and fear her. She might hurt people. Well, now the worst is over. She's not going to burst out so violently now. She's not afraid anymore.
Economic Damage to Arendelle.
- Hasn't Elsa done rather serious economic harm to her kingdom by cutting off all trade with Weselton, Arendelle's biggest trading partner? Granted, the ruler of Weselton had undoubtedly committed hostile acts against Arendelle, but isn't cutting ties with your biggest trading partner cutting off your nose to spite your face? Obviously, nations do from time to time impose economic sanctions on other nations, but usually that's to get the target country to change some specific policy or behavior that the sanctioning country doesn't like. In this case, Elsa seems to have sanctioned Weselton permanently, or at least indefinitely, over past behavior.
- That depends on how many other prospective trade partners are available to take up the slack and how many of them are willing to give non-exploitativenote trade terms.
- The Duke is lucky to simply being deported in disgrace: given that he tried to have his guards kill Elsa, and the considerable scope of her powers, Weselton would probably have acquiesced to whatever punishment Elsa felt was appropriate, up to and including execution for attempted regicide, which could even be treated as a hate crime.
- There's economic damage, and there's political damage. After the Duke's actions, Elsa needs to do something to assert her authority and demonstrate to Weselton and Arendelle's other partners and neighbors that she will not tolerate representatives of a foreign power conspiring to assassinate her while a guest of Arendelle, crisis or not. Arendelle's economy might take a bit of a hit until relations are improved, but that's probably better than everyone taking advantage of Arendelle because they think Elsa's a push-over.
Why are both sisters so inhumanly strong?
- The film drills it in to the audience's mind that Elsa has magical ice powers that make her impervious to cold. But, um, even without those powers, both Elsa and Anna seem to be inordinately strong and durable, at the very least for teenage girls of slight build, if not for humans in general. In her distress, Elsa casually wanders for miles up the tallest mountain in the vicinity without getting visibly winded, while Anna (among other things) hammer-tosses a bust across a decent-sized room. (even if it were hollow inside, it should still too heavy to throw very far for anyone but an experienced Olympian). Nobody is around to witness these things, but it's enough to wonder whether there are other powers that the sisters just don't notice because they haven't much contact with normals.
- I'd always assumed Anna carrying the bust was real and the cake supporting it was meant to be the funny part. It's not uncommon for layer cakes to have some form of support for each layer, but those wouldn't do that well if it were very heavy. Realistically, I don't think the bust would have landed on the cake at all (more likely hitting the wall and smacking off a layer of the cake on its way), especially at such an angle for the comedic shot, which is why I think the cake part is the Rule of Funny there. As said before, Anna was quite energetic so it's not hard to believe she'd be strong enough for that.
- So if Elsa really wanted to be alone, why didn't she destroy the bridge that connected her ice castle to the other side of the cliff after she threw out Anna? It would be harder to get to her without climbing the mountain/crossing the cliff first. Doing so would've made her ice castle into a mountain fort, complete with giant snowlem bouncer.
- Her efforts to rein in her powers seems a sufficient distraction at this point, and her difficulty consciously dismantling her constructs is an additional factor.
- Well just look at Elsa during the "Let It Go" number. She doesn't seem to be thinking as she's using her powers. She's just having fun with them. She completely forgot about Olaf. She only built the staircase to help her cross the mountain and she probably forgot about it as soon as she'd finished building her castle. Alternately she secretly did want someone to come and find her - the way depressed people secretly want someone to notice their problems.
- Elsa also didn't know at that point that she'd set an endless winter on Arendelle, so she probably thought that with the way everyone at the party saw her, no one (besides Anna, perhaps) would want to come looking for her. And she's not really scared of what Anna thinks of her.
- And if Anna did come back, Elsa would want the bridge to be there so her sister wouldn't put herself in danger trying to climb in and out of the chasm. Even if she kicked Anna out of her place in a huff for being a pest, she certainly never wanted her dead.
How'd they escape?
- How did Anna and the Duke get out of the ballroom? I mean, the way Elsa accidentally flung them, they were all pointed inwards, with no way through, and yet 30 seconds later, we see Anna and the Duke see Elsa run away. I guess you could argue that the could jump, but a ballgown would have definitely ripped, and there was nothing of the sort ion that following scene.
- If you're referring to the spikes (and I'm almost certain you are), the Duke probably had his guards break them. Ice isn't that hard to break, you know.
- Or maybe they melted it, and that's when they realised that the ice is created by magic but it's still just frozen water.
- There's a lovely top-down shot of the semi-circle of ice spikes, showing a sizeable gap between either side of it and the doorway. Just go around.
If Hans wanted to rule the Southern Isles badly, why didn't he kill all twelve of his brothers?
- He was clearly capable of nearly murdering Elsa! Why couldn't he kill all of his brothers?
- Killing a woman most of her own country currently thinks of as Public Enemy Number One is not in any way comparable to getting away with murdering twelve people without anyone suspecting his involvement. Even if he convincingly makes it look accidental, after the first two or three princes end up dead people are going to take a long, hard look at anyone behind them in the line of succession, and the more murders he commits the more likely it is that he'll slip up in some way or otherwise be found out. Arranging an "accident" for Elsa, as he'd planned to do before she took most of the work out of his hands anyway, is a much lower-risk prospect than trying to off all twelve of his brothers and somehow manage to avoid suspicion enough to still be able to take the throne.
- Plus, given how old Hans is, it's more than likely that some of his brothers have kids. Even if he killed all his brothers without people suspecting him, he would have to find a way to kill all his nephews and not get caught. Killing Elsa and marrying Anna is really the simpler alternative.
- Perhaps he tried, when he was below the age of criminal responsibility and so not nearly so good at plotting. It would explain why they don't like him!
- Arrange twelve accidents!? Wow, even the royalty of The Chronicles of Amber would have regarded that as going a bit far.
- Indeed, that would be rather like taking Game of Thrones Up to Eleven! Hans' original plan did not involve murder at all. He came to Arendelle planning to woo Elsa, not Anna. Murder was not necessary to that plan. But when Elsa was visibly too reserved to be easily romanced, Hans switched his attentions to Anna, and then murder was on the table. Arranging an "accident" for Elsa would be fairly easy compared to trying to do the same to twelve princes, especially since he would be the prime suspect in the Southern Isles. Keep in mind that he was totally improvising here. His plans required more and more deaths as the situation developed, as compared to his comparatively straightforward original plan of marrying the newly-crowned Queen.
- Probably because his brothers knew exactly what a little sociopath he was and would immediately suspect him if one of them suddenly died.
Visible Breath Inconsistency
- This is a minor detail, but one of the few that persists for me through multiple viewings. Down in Arendelle, Hans and others are shown with visible exhalations. Up on the mountain, Kristoff, Anna, and even Sven don't have those little puffs of condensation despite all the running around they're doing, and even while standing in Elsa's ice palace. During the third act, however, Kristoff and Sven do have visible breath puffs down in Arendelle. Animation oversight, or is there a new level of Shown Their Work regarding atmospheric density or something of the sort at play here?
- Probably just an animation slip. I know they were deliberately not doing Elsa's right (another Required Secondary Power?)
- Witness the prison scene with Hans. His breath mists, hers doesn't. That can't be an accident.
- It does seem consistent (it happens at and just above sea level, doesn't in the mountains) so there probably is a reason for it, real or magical.
- It's a part of Elsa's Required Secondary Power- not only does she not perceive cold (that wouldn't in itself stop her getting hypothermia and frostbite) but she doesn't loose any body heat as normal human beings do, including not exhaling it.
- That's all well and good, but the question isn't about Elsa. Of course Elsa's breath wouldn't frost over. The question is about Anna, Kristoff, and Sven. Up in the mountains their breath doesn't frost over, but down in Arendelle it does.
- How the heck can the King and Queen of the Southern Isles have thirteen MALE children? That seems logically impossible in real life. I have no idea if they were lucky enough to get fraternal or identical twins or triplets multiple times, or the creators just threw in the twelve brothers thing at the last minute (which is likely what happened, seeing as how much the film was altered after they decided Elsa wouldn't be evil). Or maybe the creators thought that being thirteenth in line is unlucky!
- This is hardly out of the question, Sweyn II of Denmark had at least twenty children over the course of his long reign, eighteen of whom were male. And while that is a remarkable number, it shows that this kind of feat isn't impossible in a situation where a king has been alive long enough. Hell Sweyns brood could very well be the inspiration for Hans back story given how the brothers never really got along.
- It's more or less equivalent to flipping a coin and getting 13 heads in a row: the odds are something you wouldn't like to bet on, but the laws of physics allow for it just fine. (Come to that, we don't even know if Hans had sisters that he just didn't bother to mention for some reason.)
- If the Southern Isles practices male primogeniture, then any older sisters that Hans might have would be behind him in the line of succession despite their age. Until very recently, virtually all monarchies placed males ahead of females in the succession regardless of respective ages, with Queens regnant only occurring if there were no male heirs (as was the case in Arendelle actually).
- It's possible he has at least one pair of twins too.
- Several of them may actually be half-brothers, if the King of the Southern Islands is a remarried widower. That would be somewhat more likely than a single Queen bearing that many children, given the shoddy state of obstetrics in that era.
- But A Frozen Heart reveals that the king and queen sired 13 sons, and none of them are half-brothers.
How did Elsa not know she froze the kingdom?
- Sure, she was hiding in the mountains and likely wouldn't notice it was winter there. However, to get to the mountains she had to run through the countryside, which was covered in snow. Unless she was experiencing some kind of fugue state, Elsa should have realized what she did.
- She had never used her powers on a large scale before. She'd managed to get through her life to-date without freezing Arendelle from inside of the castle, so she probably did not even know that she was capable of causing such far-reaching effects. By the time Arendelle was thoroughly snowed-in, Elsa was up on a glacier on a mountaintop in a palace which faced away from the kingdom.
- A certain critic went into detail on how little sense this makes. I can buy Elsa choosing to ignore the winter weather in different areas as she passed through them, but Anna and Kristoff could see clear down to Arendelle on their trip into the mountains, and Elsa's palace was even higher up than they were, meaning she should've been able to see it if she'd just looked down from her balcony. And we can see the cliffs and hills surrounding Arendelle at the beginning of the film, very clearly devoid of the ice and snow that's seen later on. So the "She's on a snowy mountain" excuse doesn't really work, either, since the areas immediately surrounding Arendelle weren't snowy before the winter took hold.
- Consider that from the point where Anna and Kristoff were standing when they saw the fjord, the North Mountain was at their nine o'clock position. As for the view from the balcony, well, there's a strong implication that perhaps Elsa wouldn't know that the lower parts of Arendelle had frozen over as well, because her ice palace was on the side of the mountain summit that faced away from the fjord.
- Where does it say or show that Elsa's palace is built facing away from the fjord? In Let It Go, she climbs the mountain, runs up a small hill, creates an ice staircase, and proceeds to build the palace atop the cliff at the top. She's never shown moving around the mountain, especially enough to be on its opposite side, and when Anna and Kristoff are on their journey there, Anna turns away from Arendelle and points in the opposite direction, asking "This way to the North Mountain?", and then Kristoff adjusts her arm so it's pointing up, but still in about the opposite direction of Arendelle. (And, again, Elsa had to have had some view of a place that was frozen over that wasn't supposed to be, even if she couldn't see clear down to Arendelle - she's been into the mountains when her parents took her to see the trolls, and Anna and Kristoff both pass by a frozen waterfall before they meet Olaf, so something should've struck her as odd.)
- By the time Elsa stops to build her castle, it's just before dawn, suggesting she's been traveling away from Arendelle all night long. She knew she was freezing the route immediate ahead of her as she began her flight, but given that she presumably didn't want to look back towards what she considered her "disgrace", Elsa probably didn't even glance behind her until it was too dark to see that the cold was spreading outward from her path, not thawing from the summer's warmth once she'd passed by. And when she does see the landscape by the dawn's light from her balcony, all that's visible over her shoulder as she emerges is mountains, suggesting she'd put at least a couple of peaks between herself and her kingdom during the night. As for Kristoff adjusting Anna's arm up, that's more likely to be indicating a high pass they need to traverse, not that the actual mountain is towering over them: if it was, why would Anna have missed seeing it in the first place?
That is one dainty crown.
- The painting of Elsa and Anna's father shows him with a standard European crown. But when Elsa claims the thrown she is given a completely different crown. What happened with the original?
- Maybe the animators thought the father's crown wouldn't look right on Elsa?
- European monarchies have often had more than one crown, and made the distinction between the coronation crown and the state crown, which is worn on formal occasions other than coronation. The late king was probably depicted wearing his state crown.
- She couldn't use the king's crown because the king's crown was probably with the king — who was lost at sea.
- It was also appropriate to her age and assumed maidenhood. Modesty was not considered a bad thing in many royal courts, especially for very young monarchs (particularly female ones). Elsa's reasonably simple yet elegant gown, conservative hairstyle and dainty crown give the impression of royal restraint and frugality, which would actually be viewed favorably by many people (especially the commoners).
- While this is probably not intentional, someone with Elsa's odd physiology probably would be forced to go with this option. The kind of crown that her father is seen wearing is extremely heavy, something most human neck muscles are not meant for. Fun fact: the current queen of England, a fairly small woman, has had to 'train' with her two larger crowns for most of her life, wearing them for short periods as part of her daily routine, to keep her neck muscles strong enough. Now, Queen Elizabeth at least has a fairly normal human neck, but Elsa... (it shouldn't actually even support her head, really) probably wouldn't even be able to start at this.
What did they tell her?
- Even with the constant knocking and pleas for Elsa to play with her, you cannot tell me Anna didn't ask her parents a few times why her big sister suddenly didn't want to play with her anymore. They had to tell her something to satisfy her, even for just a while, but since they didn't want her to know about Elsa's powers, what could they have possibly told her?
- Perhaps Elsa's behaviour had become so odd generally they tried (unsuccessfully) to persuade her not to take it personally.
Why the hurry, Hans?
- Anna's rush to get engaged is easily explicable (the gates would be closed again next morning, and anyway she's sheltered and naive- but it seems unlikely that she would become totally cut off, at least by letter, to someone she already knew- and she certainly won't be meeting any other men. So why does Hans decide to propose to her behind Elsa's back, when they need the Queen's agreement to marry, and the way he's gone about it would make any responsible guardian (let alone one who seems very uptight) suspicious and hostile? Even if he was courting her honestly, it was silly, albeit maybe in-character for the guy he was pretending to be. The way things actually are, why risk Elsa distrusting him from their first meeting? It's not like on paper he's that inappropriate a person for Anna to marry, if that's what she really wants.
- Of course Hans is clearly naturally inclined to fly by the seat of his pants, although he usually seems to have thought things through a little better in fact if Hans is what most people assume he is, one of the usual defining traits is impulsiveness and grandiose over-confidence. But Hans doesn't usually seem to conform to those aspects of the definition.
- Hans was running a gamble that just kept paying off. He tried to charm Anna - and succeeded. He got her alone at the ball and spun her a line - and that succeeded too. He brought the subject around to love at first sight, proposed marriage - and succeeded. Odds are that he hadn't expected things to be this easy and was too far along to back out with a "Well, ask the Queen to let me stay in the castle for a few weeks and then we'll talk about it." It would have broken character.
- No proposing on the first day before attempting to gain the guardian's trust is what breaks character. The is supposed to be intelligent, manipulative, unassuming and conscious of social norms. No one with his motivations would have acted the way he did in the movie.
- Except that Hans was improvising. His original plan was to start a courtship with Elsa, not Anna. She was the Queen after all (and Hans didn't know about the ice powers thing). But Elsa was so incredibly reserved and distant at the coronation that he saw that she was not going to fall for the Prince Charming routine no matter how well he played it. Since he'd had the good fortune to make the acquaintance of Anna earlier that day, he quickly switched to Plan B and romanced her instead. This plan would have required that he arrange Elsa's death sooner or later. If Elsa would not consent to the marriage, then it probably would have been sooner rather than later. Anna would then turn to him for emotional support and (as the new heir) would be in a position to consent to her own marriage. The major supporting evidence that Hans is The Sociopath is the way that he effortlessly switched from a plan that required nothing more than being charming (wooing the reigning Queen) to one that required murder by default (installing the Queen's younger sister on the throne and marrying her) without missing a beat.
- If Hans tried to court Anna on a more traditional timescale, likely the first thing Elsa would do would be to have him investigated to see if he was suitable for her sister—and for that matter, if he would likely be a threat to her or her future children. Given what we know of him, it's entirely possible that there is something in his past he couldn't afford to have Elsa bring to light. Plus, Hans also has to be worried about keeping Anna's attention: right now, she thinks she's in love with him, but she's never met another man her age. If he allows her to slow down, think about it, maybe even be courted by rival suitors, she could easily change her mind about the marriage. Under the circumstances, Hans may feel his best choice is to push the engagement as fast as he can in hopes that the marriage is fait accompli by the time either sister develops serious reason to object to it. As to whether marrying Anna against Elsa's wishes would cause her to be disinherited, maybe, maybe not. There doesn't seem to be a surplus of heirs, so he might figure that Elsa will just put up with whatever Anna does given the absence of any other clear choice as heir.
So where does Kristoff live?
- The movie seems to imply that Kristoff is homeless when Anna meets him(and probably lived with the trolls full time before)but where does he live now that he's Arendelle's official ice master? Is he still homeless? Does he live at the castle now? or did Elsa arrange for him to live in the village?
- My guess is Elsa arranged for him to live in Arendelle. It's obvious she approves of Kristoff, so she's not going to let him be homeless if she can do something, but at the same time, it probably wouldn't be appropriate for him to live in the palace with her and Anna, especially since their relationship (Anna and Elsa) is only beginning to be repaired.
- I'm pretty sure that he'd move into the castle at least after the marriage. Whatever he's doing, Anna is needed there.
- I'm not sure whether he's so much 'homeless' as itinerant: his job means he's constantly on the move, and sometimes he has to take whatever lodgings he can get.
- I figured that during the summer months he worked as an ice harvester. During the winter, he would take on the tasks of a winter farm-hand.
- Ice harvesting is still needed in winter. In an age without refrigerators, ice is shipped to hot countries all year round. (It doesn't melt as quickly as you'd think, especially if shipped in quantity. And I'm assuming the fjord doesn't freeze over in normal winters.)
The Troll's guide to raising humans
- At the beginning we see Bulda decide to adopt the orphaned Kristoff and Sven but how would trolls know anything about caring for a small human boy? Or how to care for a reindeer calf for that matter?
- Likely nothing. The troll only kept them because they were cute.
- That's exactly the problem. The trolls know nothing about how to care for a human child, so how exactly did Kristoff survive to adulthood?
- Well, the trolls might be...er, eccentric, but they're not stupid. As long as they had some common sense, they could figure out the basics. Plus, Kristoff wasn't an infant when they adopted him. He's around the same age as Anna or Elsa. He could tell them when he needed something, and what Sven needs, and the trolls would figure out how to get it and accommodate him.
- Agreed: also they seem to have been more or less taking care of themselves at the time they met Bulda- Kristoff probably already has a good idea how to cover his own physical needs, but it's more his emotional upbringing that she takes over, something that she seems completely able to do.
- Although... Sven, on the other hand, is very young, possibly young enough to still be suckling. I guess milk (even reindeer milk, if it's herding country) might not be that hard to acquire, and grazing animals are known to thrive after being bottle- or cup-fed.
- The trolls seem like a soft-hearted bunch. Even if they've never reared a human child before, they've probably cared for orphaned wild animals and would know how to meet the needs of creatures that aren't made out of living rock.
- In most Nordic countries Trolls were evildoers who eat humans, especially children, or tried to trick them. Across Europe, there were also stories of Changelings and Fetches - when Trolls steal a human child and replace them, sometimes with fairies, and sometimes a log of enchanted wood that becomes 'sick' and dies. But there are also stories where they are nothing more than magical neighbours who borrowed stuff from the farmers, and if the farmers treated them well, they were rewarded with gold or luck. They also loved children, so the easiest way to make friends with a troll was to be nice to their kids, and it was said that they took care of the human children that were abandoned in the woods. The stories include that the Trolls were particularly attracted to blond hair and beauty, and often treated the child as if it were truly one of their own. In return, they gave the child gifts such as strength, stamina, or an affinity for the wild.
- Interestingly this is actually briefly hinted at by Bulda in the Broadway musical when she tells Queen Iduna to "Call on us anytime, we love children and even raise a few strays ourselves."
what did the king tell them?
- At the beginning of the movie the king decides to limit Elsa's contact with people,this includes cutting down the number of servants and shutting the whole family in the castle. Thing is this also means he must have come up with a story for why he did so but what could he possibly say that would justify firing most of the servants and closing the court?
- If we can use deleted material as evidence, the song We Know Better suggests that at least those servants who had most contact with the girls must have known something about Elsa's powers, as she wasn't above playing pranks on them.
- One might just as easily ask why they didn't notice something weird when Elsa was little- she doesn't really seem to be secretive about her magic and if her parents know chances are the staff do. We also don't know when she first started showing it- if there's been something uncanny about her since infancy, presumably most of the servants who attended her would have noticed something (like if a toddler's tantrums were accompanied by cold winds indoors, say.)
- Elsa has spent most of her life keeping Anna away, including having ejected her with some emphasis from the ice-tower. Yet when Hans has her in the cell, Anna is the first thing she asks for. I'm sure there's a good reason for this, but why?
- Most likely because she remembered that she unintentionally struck Anna and is worried about her well-being. When Elsa ejected her from the castle, she did so under stress, having just had a panic attack (not to mention her castle was beginning to fall apart). In the cell, she's still stressed, but much calmer due to having just woken up and can think clearly. The movie shows us Elsa's first priority is Anna, so it's understandable her well-being is the first thing that would cross her mind.
- Okay, although asking "Is Anna okay?" seems a reasonable opener in that case (she may be uneasy with Hans but last time she saw him he was supposed to be romantically involved with Anna, and she doesn't have any reason to believe he's a really bad man.)
- It feels to me like she wants to make a proper abdication and leave Arandelle, and just wants to get everything straight with Anna before she goes- also that it's appropriate to announce it to Anna in person. Seeing as she probably intends to disappear forever, she probably wants to both try to give Anna some sort of briefing to become queen, and to try to repair their relationship enough to say a proper goodbye.
- This is more about WMG/Fridge than the movie, but aren't people assuming a bit too much about Hans's brothers? Unless I'm not remembering something, all we know is he's the youngest of thirteen sons and three of his brothers completely ignored him for two years. Hans has to be at least Anna's age, if not older than her by a couple years. How is it remotely plausible that being ignored for two years causes someone to be a sociopath (especially in comparison to someone ignored for thirteen years and still growing into an optimistic adult)? There's nothing to suggest all of his brothers were abusive.
- Actually, what we know is that Hans "says" he was ignored for two years. We don't know if it's true or not. I assume Anna or Elsa could do some digging after the fact, or how literal this 'ignoring' was.
- Possibly it wasn't just the bad relationships with his family that made him so dysfunctional as the context they took place in with everyone else: he was born the son of a king and may have been extremely spoiled by the household staff (to the point that he's not even really aware of it.) If all the relationships he's known for much of his life are polarised between a family who seemed to hate him and ordinary people who treated him as a young demigod, it may well have made his personality a bit skewed.
No one noticed the ice on the orb?
- When Elsa takes up the globus and sceptre during the coronation ceremony and presents them to the audience, a lot of ice accumulated on both of them, and somehow not one person sitting in the front row (or anyone else in the audience) noticed, let alone Anna who was standing right next to her?
- Well, it was extremely improbable.
- Actually Elsa's face is extremely attention-grabbing. Look how nervous Elsa is while the bishop is saying that Norse stuff. Not her mouth, but specifically, the panicked look she's expressing with her eyes. Presumably the crowd notices how nervous she is, and they wonder whether the she is going to drop the orb, throw up or faint before the bishop can finish talking.
- It's also possible a few people did notice, but no one said anything because they didn't want to show disrespect.
- It's a room lit by flickering candles and gleaming stained-glass windows. If the golden surfaces of the orb and scepter start looking a little paler and/or shinier from being coated with frost or ice, who's to say it's not just a trick of the light? It's not like most of the witnesses will have seen those regalia more than (at most) once before in their lives, if they'd been in attendance at the late King's own coronation.
Elsa had suitors?
- Hans tells Anna, "As queen, Elsa was preferable, but no one was getting anywhere with her." So does that mean Elsa had suitors before? But how? She isolated herself up until her coronation and presumably would've done so after the day was over (if the lyric "It's only for today" is anything to go by). How was she getting suitors? Was Anna rejecting them for her?
- Easily. I imagine it went something like:
Letter: My lady Elsa, it would honor me if you would allow me to court—
Reply Letter: NO.
- Honestly, the fact that she had isolated herself her entire life in itself means that nobody is getting anywhere with her. It's pretty self evident. Plus she seems like she could take care of Arendelle by herself. Also, when Elsa's parents died, she was eighteen. Easily old enough - or at least Anna obviously thinks so - that other royal families might be suspicious about why Elsa's parents hadn't even been engaging with them on the subject of potential suitors for Elsa, something that, as a 20 year old at the time, Hans would almost certainly have heard remarked on, seeing as he and/or one or more of his brothers would have been on the list of acceptable bachelors, even if he was as low down as say, #45 on that list. This would be happening even if the marriage itself was months, if not years, off. One assumes they were avoiding the issue waiting for Elsa to get 'controlled' enough to be willing to physically touch other people. (Though Elsa probably also got very anxious at the issue, too, given her general manner at eighteen.)
- It is entirely possible that during the years just before their deaths, Adgar and Idun were cordially but insistently denying all suitors, whether by letter or in person, on Elsa's behalf, since even though she would have been underage at that point, European monarchs were often betrothed before the age of consent. And once she was old enough, they could have found other reasons to delay (her not being queen yet, still needing training, being shy and introverted) while they were working on controlling her powers. After the deaths, if there was a regent this person could have rejected suitors by letter as well, for the very good reason of her grief. And if there wasn't, Elsa could have been sending letters herself to reject them. So she could easily have had suitors (albeit ones she never actually met) while still being isolated.
- Easily. I imagine it went something like:
Social Status Strife
- By the end of the movie, Anna and Kristoff are in a relationship. Though Elsa has given them permission, wouldn't royals (many of whom placed high priority on social status and believed they were above everyone else) from other states take a dim view of Anna (a Princess) being in a relationship with Kristoff (a commoner)? They do love each other, it's just in those days marriages were viewed as a way to secure an alliance, not something done for love. If Elsa ended up with a commoner, as the reigning monarch, it would be harder to challenge given she's the reigning monarch and not wanting to cross her due to her powers (though it may cause an uproar still), but Anna is a Princess; would that cause strife? would certain types of suitors aspiring to marry Anna (since only one can marry Elsa) try and 'deal with' Kristoff. I don't oppose it, I'm wondering if that would cause problems.
- The Anna/Kristoff situation can be compared to the modern day Princess Madeline of Sweden. Madeline is not the crown princess so marriage to a commoner, even a foreigner (Kristoff, technically, is a foreigner to Arendelle) won't trigger a strife given that Elsa gave her the blessing. Modern Swedish crown princess Victoria is married (also to a commoner) with a baby girl though, but Elsa can promise marriage and issue soon to compensate.
- Bear in mind that as Queen, Elsa is legally allowed to bestow nobility on whoever she deems worthy of it. Given what Kristoff went through for her sister, I can only imagine that Elsa would very quickly have a few words to say on anyone saying that Kristoff wasn't a worthy suitor for her sister. On top of that, by making him the "Official Ice Master of Arendelle", she's effectively giving him a position within the Arendelle government, which would make him eligible to marry Anna. Either that, or she could just declare the marriage legal and binding and no one of the era would argue the fact.
This is not how to trick people
- Why would Hans even bother telling Anna about his own betrayal? If he really wants to kill Anna, he could have just kissed her anyway - since it would not have been true love's kiss it would not have healed her, but she wouldn't necessarily have realized that (it might take time to work) and only by her death can she get that final confirmation. If he actually succeeds in killing Elsa after telling Anna, he's now got an active queen who can tell everyone else about his betrayal. And why mention that he's going to kill Elsa? It's not as if Anna's going to help him do that..
- Hans has no reason to believe that killing Elsa would save Anna, especially since she was minutes away from death.
- Hans seems to have been fairly convinced that Anna wouldn't last more than a few minutes after he left her (otherwise presumably he wouldn't have told everyone she was already dead.) Without Olaf breaking in, it's implied he would have been right. He also seems to have guessed that breaking Anna's spirit will speed up the process- putting out the fire is obvious but there's no other reason to darken the room as he mocks her (and he appears to have been right.)
- Hans has no idea how the 'true love's kiss' actually works- for all he knows it might have been enough that she loved him. (Which she probably doesn't, but that's the sort of emotional fine detail that Hans probably isn't good with himself.) In any case, Hans was probably just taking the chance to take out his sadistic impulses on someone who couldn't tell on him.
- His real mistake is that when the door was opened Anna would be found collapsed on the floor near the door like she was trying to escape; if it was how he said she presumably would have been found laid out on the couch or somewhere more comfortable. (It would have been more practical to just smother her or bludgeon her to death, but the film would hardly have got away with that, and a bloody corpse would have discredited him)
Could Anna have lesser powers?
- It's commonly commented that Elsa got all the magic powers in the family, but could Anna reasonably have subtler ones too? This would explain her ability to walk through the frozen landscape and even have her clothes and legs soaked in freezing water without hypothermia, her ability to wear skates made of ice in the ending, and her turning to ice at exactly the right moment to save Elsa from Hans. Granted, her power isn't strong enough to stop her head or heart being frozen, but that's not due to outside cold but due to a direct hit from Elsa's magic, which is probably a whole new level (Elsa herself might have trouble with that, after all - we never see her blast herself!)
- Really that's no different than Aladdin being able to survive in the Arctic for a few minutes in hot weather clothes. Word of God is that Anna has no tangible magical powers.
- Not to be rude or anything, but...how does wearing ice skates made out of ice hint toward Anna having powers of her own?
The ice blocks on Kristoff's sled
- When Kristoff first enters Wandering Oaken's Trading Post & Sauna and Oaken tries to rip him off by claiming that supply & demand is behind his outrageous price gouging, Kristoff replies, "You want to talk about a supply and demand problem? I sell ice for a living!" and we see his sled out front, with a bunch of ice blocks tied down on the back of the sled. Except, in the next scene, when Anna and Kristoff are riding in the sled, the ice blocks are gone. What did he do to the ice blocks? Did he untie them and leave them outside Oaken's place?
- I see no reason why he'd keep them, especially if Anna wants them to go to the top of the mountain right away. They'd just slow them down.
The lighting in Elsa's castle
- In the room that is the "heart" of Elsa's ice palace, the floor and walls change color to match Elsa's emotions, much like a mood ring: bright blue when happy, purplish-red when upset and/or frightened, and amber when angry. From the perspective of the characters, would Elsa be seeing the changes in color the same way the viewer sees them? Or could some of the colors be caused by natural light (when that particular room is seen with purple and red lighting, it appears to be sunset outside)?
- It was just the result of outside factors - the sunset and sunrise, northern lights, things like that. With all of the neat geometric formations and whatnot that Elsa created when she built that palace, I'd imagine it would probably look pretty interesting depending on the varying effects of outside lighting.
Oaken's store hours
- Doesn't anyone think Oaken must have really weird store hours? When Anna enters the store, there's a clock on the wall behind Oaken's desk that clearly reads 10:30 p.m. Just seems odd that Oaken would even be open at 10:30 p.m. at night when his store is in the middle of nowhere and there aren't many people who would be passing through at that time of night. I'm guessing it's possible the store could double as Oaken's residency, and he sleeps in a backroom or in an unseen basement, or there's some sort of residence that's hidden behind the store, allowing him to be open very late for emergencies like a princess traveling through looking for her runaway sister.
Kristoff: Hang on! We like to go fast.
- It's a trading post, like the modern day 24 hour gas station, traders, wanderers, salesmen, hunters, and the sort that could come through at all hours of the day. And considering it's remote location in the woods, having him live inside either in the back, or in an unseen shelter like the barn is entirely possible.
- Remember that, regardless of how Elsa's mucked with the weather, by the calendar it's summertime in a region not that far from the Arctic Circle. The sun is going to be out very late, allowing a much longer period each day for potential customers to go on shopping expeditions, so Oaken's business hours have been extended accordingly.
- Speaking of which, Anna walks in the front door. Less than a minute later, Kristoff staggers in, covered in snow. Wouldn't Anna have seen his sled approaching? Granted, she'd probably think he was just another traveler passing through that neck of the forest, and the darkness may mean she very well didn't see him, but that does raise a question or two.
- They like to go fast.
Hans's first meeting with Anna
- What was Hans doing at the docks where Anna crashes into his horse? I don't think it's at all explained.
- People are arriving from all over. He's at the docks because his ship came in.
When Elsa's leaving the castle after her powers are exposed...
- ...this is after Anna has accidentally grabbed the glove for her left hand. The movie suggests that Elsa control of her powers when she gets upset. To the point that, when she backs into an ornamental fountain after a woman asks if she's okay, and she grabs the fountain, it ices over in less than five seconds. So logically, almost anything that left hand touches logically should freeze over, right, since she's not in complete control? I'd assume that's not the case, since Elsa uses both hands to push open the doors to the courtyard and finds the public crowd gathered outside, and she clearly touches one door with her bare left hand, and it doesn't ice over (the door by which she leaves the ballroom doesn't freeze over since you clearly see that Elsa uses her still-gloved right hand to turn the doorknob).
- While she may not have complete control, it doesn't mean she's completely out of control. Revealing her powers to the guests inside was what prompted her to run away, while seeing the people gather outside to greet and curtsy to her, among them a woman and her baby, was what filled her head with fear of what she could do to all of them. That kind of fear caused her power to manifest even more powerfully and less willingly than it had before.
Anna's "skunk" stripe
- For most of the movie, until her heart is unfrozen, Anna has a streak of platinum blonde hairs in her otherwise strawberry blonde hair, established to have happened as a result of the accident when she was five and Elsa accidentally struck her in the head with her ice powers. It wasn't undone by Grandpabbie's troll-doctor work, and it's noted under Fridge Horror that this one strand of platinum blonde hair could be a pretty nasty physical reminder for Elsa about how her powers almost killed her only sibling, and caused severe feelings of guilt and self hatred for thirteen years. So it kind of makes me want to ask why Anna and Elsa's parents didn't consider trying to dye the platinum streak in Anna's hair (a few possible reasons could be that hair dye doesn't last long and would have to be reapplied very regularly, and also, as this is the 19th century, when dyes were extracted from plants and not made from mixing chemicals, the dye in question would be impossible to come by).
- Anna was obviously told that her stripe was just a funny quirk that she'd been born with and she doesn't seem to give it much thought- going to the trouble of henna dye would have drawn her attention to it more than her father would have wanted to. Young Anna doesn't go out much and the mundane explanation he gave her is probably good enough for most people anyway (being born with random patches of colourless hair is not unheard of)
- I realize the movie isn't going to have time to show us everything, but...are Elsa and Anna good at running on little sleep? Elsa runs off at night. By the end of Let It Go, the sun is rising, which would mean it's morning, and we're also shown Anna riding on her horse. So were Elsa and Anna awake all night? I'll buy neither of them being hungry, but going 24 hours without sleep should've left them exhausted, especially Elsa since she climbed a huge mountain and built a palace. You'd think she would've collapsed.
- Here's an explanation for "Let It Go:" night in the far north in summer is very short- it could well be about 3 or 4 in the morning, and we don't see Elsa for at least another 24 to 36 hours, she may have spent some of her offscreen time asleep.
Kissed by a Troll
- When I saw this movie in theatres, I thought I remembered hearing Anna telling Elsa when they were kids that she dreamed she got kissed by a troll, which I guess is suppose to reference her romance with Kristoff because he was raised by trolls. Whenever I watch Frozen on TV now, though, that part never actually plays, so I was wondering...Did I just imagine seeing it, or do they just choose not to air it in non-theatre showings? And if it's the latter reasoning...why?
- You've got some scenes mixed up. Anna tells Hans she dreamt she was kissed by a troll after he asks about the white streak in her hair. She was saying she dreamt the streak was causing by getting kissed by a troll. Elsa was completely absent during that scene.
- Okay, so the promotional material for the film frequently describes Kristoff as a grumpy, misanthropic mountain man who prefers being by himself...but am I the only one who doesn't really see him that way? Maybe my idea of "misanthropic" is a little overplayed - I actually really like Kristoff's characterization in the actual film, as well as his relationship with Anna...but at no point during it did I really see him as mean-spirited or cold or all that grumpy. I honestly thought he acted like any number of normal guys, save for a few things he says to remind us that he's supposed to be looked at as a gruff loner and the overall fact that he seems to live alone in the mountains. At no point does he distance himself from or shut himself away from Anna, save for when she inadvertently gets his sled destroyed and he considers not helping her...but even that didn't seem too far off to me from what any normal person might do.
- "She'll die on her own" "I can live with that" sounds pretty misanthropic to me.
- But he didn't mean it. Remember he's BOTH sides of that conversation. He's pretty annoyed with Anna at the point but there's no way he's going to let anything happen to her and he knows it.
- Not to mention he has a small song about how "reindeer are better than people". Granted, I do see your point. There is a difference between being misanthropic, and just being grumpy and cynical.
How did Kristoff reach the mountains so quickly ?
- Kristoff is seen during the coronation sharing a carrot with Sven. The evening of the same day, he's deep in the mountains with his sled full of ice, and apparently out of carrots. I can understand that he did not care much about the coronation celebrations, being misanthropic and all that, but how did he manage to reach the mountain and harvest enough ice to fill his sled in such a short period of time ? And why did he not stock up on carrots while in the city (though for that one I guess he did not expect to find himself in full winter halfway back) ?
- Kristoff lived near the mountains at least for most of his life, so he would know the quickest and/or easiest routes compared to Anna who's most likely never been out in the mountains.
- It wasn't actually the evening of the same day. Elsa runs off into the mountains and Anna goes after her late at night the day of her coronation, or extraordinarily early the next morning. In another scene, we see Anna looking for her sister in broad daylight the next day when her horse runs off on her - she wanders through the wilderness for the rest of the day and comes across Oaken's shop that evening, thus making it close to 24 hours between Elsa running off and Kristoff and Anna meeting. As for the ice in his sled...it could've been just stock he'd gathered when it was still summer and had been planning on selling in Arendelle, but when Elsa cast eternal winter over the kingdom, he went off into the mountains to maybe try to find some way to return things to normal.
Who has the authority?
- I am confused as can be. Elsa is the queen. Duh. She exiles herself, so that would presumably leave Anna in charge, who ends up leaving Hans temporarily in charge. But Elsa doesn't exactly go through any legal matters. She just runs off. So she should still be in charge above all, right? Here are my questions: 1) I realize there were special circumstances, but how does Anna's word, even as princess, mean anything? 2) How can anybody charge the queen (or king, for that matter) with treason, especially someone who's not even from that country? 3) Even if that is possible, wouldn't they need some kind of proof Elsa actually injured Anna? Or is word of mouth simply enough? Forgive me if there are obvious answers to these. I don't know anything about royalty in those times.
- 1) When Elsa went into her self-imposed exile, she effectively renounced the throne to Anna. This makes Anna effectively Arendelle's official ruler. Anna then puts Hans in charge of running things when she goes out to look for Elsa, so Hans becomes the acting ruler. 2) Monarchs have been charged and executed for treason in real life. King Charles I of England was executed for treason (though he did have a full trial before a relatively well-established authority, even though he didn't cooperate with it.) That also took place in an early-modern semi-constitutional monarchy in which there were statutes limiting the powers of the monarchs, which Charles I had unquestionably overstepped, but it shows that this is at least possible. (Although Charles didn't think that a king could commit treason either, which didn't help his case. 3) Elsa's the only person in Arendelle known to have obvious ice magic.
- Also, consider how Hans behaves: something comparable to the Bavarian Fire Drill trope. Everyone is confused and frightened and it's not obvious who should have authority- so when Hans calmly takes charge and acts like he can keep it all in hand, people obey him. The quickest way to become a leader in a crisis situation is usually to just behave like a leader, and Hans has that down to an art. People might not even mind for now that his claim is decidedly dodgy.
The escape from Marshmallow
- We see that Anna, Kristoff and Olaf go over the cliff to escape from Marshmallow. Sven did not go over the cliff, so would I be correct to assume Sven found a safer route to get down the cliff to catch up to them?
- Obviously. How is this a question?
Why is everyone so afraid?
- Why does everyone at the coronation party start acting afraid of Elsa just because one guy burst outside pointing fingers and shouting, "Monster!" at her. Couldn't anyone have noticed how terrified the poor girl appeared to be and maybe considered she was just a little overwhelmed?
- Because she's shooting ice out of her fingertips. People in that situation are going to freak out, they're not going to be reading her body language. Fun fact: People freak out and don't act like calm and rational beings when confronted with a dangerous unknown.
When is Anna's Birthday?
- So, any idea how long after Frozen is Frozen Fever? A year? A month? How long?
- I believe I remember learning from somewhere that Anna was born on the summer solstice and Elsa the winter solstice. This would mean either that Frozen Fever takes place a year after Elsa's coronation or Elsa's coronation was held sometime before the 21st of June the same year.
- Apparently it takes place 'just a few months' after Frozen, which explicitly took place in July. So Jennifer Lee seems to be contradicting herself, or Anna has two calendar birthdays like real royals have.
- Anna's lines indicate that Coronation Day is her time limit for getting out of the castle. Then in the ice castle, Elsa tells Anna to enjoy the sun and open up the gates at home. When arguing, Elsa says to 'close the gates', then Anna says she 'can't live like this anymore' indicating Anna herself would be shut up again too. Elsa then tells Anna to 'just leave' if she disliked it. So Coronation Day on(or potentially earlier), Anna could have left the palace at any time if Elsa gave permission. Why did Elsa not have a courier sent to inform Anna of her freedom first thing, if that was the way it worked? Why didn't she try to find a workaround for the three years, such as sending out Anna but keeping the gates shut and only communicating via letters? Was Elsa so self absorbed she had no idea how miserable her sister was stuck in the castle?
- I think one of the reasons Anna never left was because she was waiting for the day she could rekindle her relationship with her sister - when Elsa finally tells her to leave if she doesn't want to stay cooped up inside, you can tell how distraught Anna becomes at that moment as she realizes just how distant her once-pleasant and kind sister has become, though unbeknownst to her, of course, it's not without a pretty good reason. This is what led to her finally confronting Elsa up front about why she always shut herself away, leading to the main plot of the film.
- I think that we can take it that in this canon sheltered teenage girls don't just strike out permanently to seek a new home in a world where they don't know anyone. (Anna's trip to find Elsa- which almost ended in disaster anyway the way she went about it- had a finite goal- find Elsa, placate Elsa, come home.) We know from out of canon that they've got other family but that would be too confusing in the film and anyway Anna doesn't know them.
Anna's not very adventurous, really
- Why does Anna never try to escape or sneak out, like Princess Jasmine tried? She's presented as an adventurous, spunky girl, but she just waited three years for someone else to open the gates for her. It seems a little odd.
- Note that Jasmine never snuck out of the palace until she was Anna's age, too.
- Additionally, Anna and Jasmine both have different reasons for what they want - Jasmine seeks to be free and make her own choices, which a life in the palace doesn't seem able to supply to her, while Anna just wants friendship, companions, and love, and seemingly doesn't have many qualms specifically with being a princess.
- There's also, also the fact that sneaking out of a castle and running away isn't something you're capable of just doing on a whim, and Anna's supreme specialty, as we all know, is acting on whims. Something like this requires planning, choosing the right time to go, and most of all, coming to terms with your decision and clarifying with yourself that it's what you want to do - none of these aspects of forethought are among anything Anna is familiar with performing.
Anna's never had a real birthday before?
- In Frozen Fever, Elsa says, err, sings that Anna has never had a real birthday before. Um What? Are they seriously saying that the king and queen never celebrated their daughter's birthday?
- The key word is "real" birthday. I think what's really being implied is that Anna just had a bunch of really depressing, half-hearted birthdays, with no friends she could have there to celebrate with her and no Elsa for her to spend time with either, even on that one special day. There's only so many new gifts you can expect to receive and only so many special memories you can expect to create when your only party guests are the same few servants your parents have decided to keep around the castle through the years.
Elsa's powers working by themselves
- Is it plausible that there are times when Elsa's ice magic works independently without any influence from Elsa? Many seem to take it that when the Duke's men corner her, the magic itself created a shield to intercept the first arrow centimeters before it would have embedded itself between Elsa's eyes. By that token, could the shockwave that threw Hans backwards at the same point that the blade shattered from contacting Anna the Human Popsicle have also been Elsa's powers protecting her from harm?
- To address these two things separately...with regards to the first scenario, Elsa's powers are often shown working on a somewhat subconscious level - in the beginning, she's shown twice waving or gesturing in the most nonchalant manner when she's anxious or afraid, yet both times her powers manifest themselves without any conscious effort on her part. In the scene with the Duke's men are attacking her, she is similarly in a state of anxiety and fear, not just of them harming her but of her harming them, and she does a similar gesture by throwing her hands up as if to defend herself. So in this case, while her powers do not function completely independent from her, they are still capable of acting even when she doesn't want them to. In the second instance, however, the wave of frozen air, for lack of a better term, that shot out from Anna as she froze was just a result of her heart being frozen solid by Elsa's magic beforehand; Elsa didn't notice until several seconds after Hans fell back that Anna was even nearby, so her powers acting based on things they "know" but Elsa is unaware of would go beyond the simple notion that they merely act completely on their own.
- Why, in the climax, does Anna not try shouting or calling out to Elsa when she sees her, opting to utterly and blatantly sacrifice herself instead? Considering Kristoff was (somehow) able to hear her moments before when her voice was barely above a whisper, weren't there other ways that she could've alerted her sister to what Hans was doing? Like say, scream "ELSA! LOOK BEHIND YOU!"?
- Anna was freezing up and could barely speak above a whisper. If she could have screamed for help when Hans left her to die, she would have.
- Technically, on the fjord, if Anna was running to intercept the sword before it could hit Elsa, wouldn't she have enough adrenaline to shout to Elsa regardless of whether or not she was freezing to death?
- That run happens in a (improbably) short time in which Anna has no time to cry out before she's already there and probably doesn't waste the breath. A second after she sees it she's standing there doing a Big "NO!" at Hans. If she'd stayed on the spot and shouted 'Look behind you!", Hans could easily have struck Elsa before she had time to react (unless she used her powers and Anna didn't actually see Elsa fighting with them so she'd never know that.) Really she only gets there because Hans takes a few seconds adjusting his grip to line up the blow.
- Also, if Anna heard the sword being drawn from about 20 to 30 feet away, then presumably so did Elsa, and it's a distinctive noise. Elsa probably knew exactly what Hans was going to do and had reasons to sit on the ice and let him.
- Obviously Anna had only seconds to react, but I'm to guess that her weakened condition is the reason why she chose to shield Elsa from the blade as opposed to say, attempt to disarm Hans. She's obviously in no condition to be putting up a fight against an able-bodied guy in his early 20s with a sword. He'd probably stab her too, and possibly Kristoff, just to get rid of a witness (and risk his story being thrown out since he'd now clearly be seen killing both sisters on the fjord in view of a number of dignitaries).
- If there was ice in her diaphragm, restricting her ability to breath, her ability to scream would be severely hampered.
- Except she quite loudly cries, "No!" when throwing herself between the two. Also, to the above poster, I wasn't suggesting that she try to disarm Hans. And even if Elsa HAD wanted to die at that point, it was due to her thinking that she'd been responsible for her sister's death - if she'd heard Anna scream, she would've been pulled out of it upon realizing she was still alive.
Turning down Anna's marriage proposal from Hans
- When Elsa refuses to bless the marriage proposal and firmly says, "Nobody's brothers are staying here, no one is getting married," was she more concerned about the fact that Anna had fallen so quickly for Hans or about the political implications that a marriage would half? Or was she concerned with both problems?
- I think it's a very strange mix of both - she's upset that Anna has fallen for Hans so quickly, without taking politics and foreign relations into account, among other reasons, because the two of them basically talk about the whole thing almost as though they're planning a sleepover instead of an important union between two powerful dignitaries.
The 13 years of isolation
- Would it be reasonable to assume that at some point, both sisters would come to resent not being allowed to spend time with each other? It does seem a bit far-fetched to assume that either Elsa or Anna would put up with this with no questions asked. Anna certainly didn't like it, given her remarks in the argument at the coronation about Elsa only being good at shutting people out. Wouldn't Elsa probably resent that she had to shut Anna out?
- I'm aware that Anna stopped asking Elsa to come out and play after the first five or six years, and was basing the question off a prequel fanfic that suggests Elsa became resentful towards her parents for making the decision to isolate her from Anna. Said fanfic also suggests that as much as Elsa would resent the living situation (there are couple of scenes in it where Elsa gets angry at her parents whenever they try to isolate her from Anna), she tried to connect with Anna as much as she reasonably could, even if it wasn't the most ideal.
Anna's knowledge of Elsa's powers before the movie
- Obviously, Anna's knowledge of Elsa's powers was wiped by Grand Pabbie to heal her head injury. But when Elsa's powers are exposed at the coronation, Anna doesn't seem at all freaked out about Elsa having powers and more concerned about apologizing to her and getting her to return to Arendelle. Obviously Elsa couldn't entirely hide her powers during those 13 years, so could there have been telltale clues Anna picked up over the years that in hindsight were staring her right in the face, that she just didn't put together until that one incident at the coronation? Like say, the temperature in a room dropping whenever Elsa got upset or angry? Or meltwater appearing outside Elsa's room after she'd frozen it over for whatever reason?
- Probably because she 'knows' that that's impossible so more or less accepts explanations that there's a damp problem in Elsa's room or whatever. It's a bit hard with this universe to guess people's acceptance of the existence of magic- obviously it's real but sufficiently rare that nobody seems to expect it until they see it.
- Anna does not seem very surprised either to discover that Kristoff's friends are trolls, so either people have some knowledge of magic in the Frozenverse, or Anna is the sort to take everything in stride and focus on the important part.
- However, she doesn't find out about the trolls until after she's witnessed her sister use ice magic to cast an eternal winter over the kingdom and create a monstrous snowman - the reveal of a bunch of talking rocks probably wouldn't come as too much of a surprise at that point. Especially if she'd heard about them in stories before.
- "There's 20 feet of fresh powder down there; it'll be like landing on a pillow...hopefully." So why did Kristoff create the snow anchor if they could've pretty much jumped and been fine? (And how did he know there was 20 feet of snow down below anyway?)
- As to the first point: Kristoff was digging the snow anchor to secure his rope. He and Anna intended to scale their way down the cliff with the rope and climbing axe. It's just that Marshmallow then grabbed them so he could scream "DON'T COME BAAACKK!" in their face, and then Anna cut the rope with the knife. As to the other point (the "20 feet of fresh powder" bit), I would think that Kristoff was probably just guesstimating.
- It's been magically snowing all day with no sign of stopping. He could easily deduce from that there must be tons of fresh snow below.
- To slow the fall, hopefully, by abseiling (you can still fall quite hard when you abseil, especially if you're a first-timer and/or your equipment has been set up in a hurry, which would be most likely to happen given that this one is being set up during an impromptu escape from a giant snow rage monster) No harm in trying to make it doubly safe.
- Realistically, given the length of that drop, I think Anna and Kristoff would probably be killed or at least break a lot of bones.
- Fridge Brilliance: It's Elsa's snow that they land in. Elsa's power sometimes responds to her subconscious desires, not just her conscious ones, and occasionally does things (like animate a sentient goofy snowman) without her even being aware of it. Kristoff and Anna landed safely because the snowbank knew Elsa wouldn't want Anna to die that way.
"What's this swing attached to?"
- This only came up thanks to watching the Literal Music Video of "For the First Time in Forever": Anna sings the first running of the chorus while standing on some sort of swing. What is it attached to? In a related subject, why would the ballroom floor be so greased to the point that Anna can slide across it at running speed?
- Ballroom floors were- and are- supposed to be slippery: they would actually be finely dusted with 'french chalk' (poor quality talc) for exactly this reason. If you have smooth-soled shoes you should be able to skid quite a long way on one.
- It's not actually a swing, but a hoist- a common sight on old stately homes and in some parts of Europe they're often seen on even quite modest houses (like these in Holland . There will be a bracket at the top of the roof that we don't actually see. They're used for lifting any big, heavy object- new furniture, say- up the outside of the building where it can be pulled in through the same big window Anna climbs out of- both times it appears we see the sisters raising or lowering themselves on it.
Hans should've waited
- I realized this after watching CinemaSins' review of Frozen - Hans could've found a better time to betray Anna and reveal his true nature. If he would've kissed her when she asked him to, even if it hadn't worked, it still wouldn't have required him to risk nobody believing him when he went to fake their wedding vows to the other dignitaries - knowing Anna, she would've probably left the kingdom to him anyway. And on the off chance that it had worked and thawed her heart, he still could've found a way of arranging Elsa's execution without Anna finding out or turning against him, couldn't he?
- It's still a pretty complicated plan and all still relies on Hans placing Anna as a high priority. To a guy as cold-hearted as him, she's not a high priority and might eventually, if not already, be an annoyance. Killing her later when she's recovered, even years down the line, leaves the chance that the murder could be traced, while letting her die her makes it seemingly untraceable. He only had a few seconds to think about it after finding out Anna was mortally wounded, and the simplest route is to just let her die. And he can't accelerate that process by smothering her to death because a corpse that clearly died from something other than internal freezing would discredit hm.
Why give away free blankets and soup?
- When Anna is still in the north mountain Hans is very generous with the citizens of Arendelle. Why would he feel the need to make an impression on them when Anna is likely dead? Even he's surprised when Anna returns from the North Mountain.
- If he makes a good impression on the commoners and on the palace staff, few will mind him staying on the throne if Anna and Elsa have died. He needs the people's approval so there won't be a succession crisis or a revolt. Surely they would be mad at first that some foreign prince is now ruling their nation, but not if they see him as the best alternative.
- Hans understands the rules a lot better. If he wants to take the throne and have more support, he needs to do something to gain the public's trust so that they'll vouch for him.
Out of Character Moment
- So, as we all know, Anna spends between 25-50% of the movie making brash, impulsive decisions, and in a lot of cases, even for someone like Anna, they're only made in order to advance the plot - Anna falling in love with Hans, Anna pressuring Elsa about opening up, Anna going out to look for Elsa without so much as a winter dress, Anna enlisting the help of a grumpy stranger to help her climb the North Mountain, Anna insisting that they leave immediately at night when it would be safer to travel by day, Anna trying to climb a steep cliff face even after aforementioned grumpy stranger she hired is telling her how dangerous it is, Anna pressuring Elsa even more about opening up...I'm accepting of the fact that it's part of her character, but then we have the part where she asks Kristoff to wait outside when they arrive at Elsa's palace, suggesting that introducing Elsa to another guy might make things even worse. When did she gain these sudden powers of forethought, and more importantly, why doesn't she use them from that point on? Her suggesting that Kristoff wait outside for such a reason goes against her character and was really only there as a way of keeping him out of the scene, especially since in the very next scene, Anna goes right back to smiling, singing, and cheerily trying too hard without thinking to convince her sister to come back home, without realizing how worried or damaged Elsa is by this point.
- It's not "sudden powers of forethought." It's basic pattern recognition — when Anna brought Hans to Elsa, she freaked out. This happened, like, less than 48 hours earlier, so Anna remembers that. She's a little dim in thinking that's the main reason Elsa freaked outnote , but she doesn't have to suddenly change character to decide not to bring Kristoff inside.
Why didnít the Princesses go, as well?
- Why didnít Anna and Elsa accompany their parents on the voyage that ultimately cost them their lives? Coming from how people are thinking they were travelling overseas in order to attend the wedding of their niece, Rapunzel, wouldnít Anna and Elsa have been expected at their ages to have made appearances as Princesses of Arendelle? Or were Agdar and Idun just seeking some sort of a vacation without having to look after their daughters? A king and queen going on a trip and leaving their two daughters behind for an unexplained reason comes off sounding... kind of mean.
- Because they've already been isolating Elsa from the world until she can control her powers, which she hasn't. Elsa's practically under house arrest.
- In addition, Anna might have been invited along, but declined because she wanted to stay with Elsa.
- Two more reasons: 1) Someone has to hold the fort while they're gone. They could theoretically leave another noble in charge, but that takes more planning and they're already organizing a trip in state—a royal wedding is NOT your average one, and guests need to think about a lot of logistics besides "bring gifts and nice clothes." It's a lot easier for them to put Elsa in charge since she's their heir, and is intellectually if not emotionally equipped for the job. 2) If they HAD brought Anna and Elsa along, the ENTIRE ROYAL FAMILY would have died in a shipwreck.
Elsa's reaction to Anna's "death."
- So Elsa's powers seem to run out of control and intensify based on her fears, stress, sadness and being overal upset. But at the climax of the movie Hans claims that Elsa had killed Anna when she had frozen her heart. This makes Elsa collapse to her knees in utter despair and causes the snowstorm to completely die down. But shouldn't the emotional impact of Anna's supposed death have caused the exact opposite effect and make Elsa's powers go completely haywire? If anything the news should have made the temperature plummet to absolute zero rather than dispel the snowstorm.
- Theory: Elsa didn't quite realize yet, but since it takes love to fully control her powers, her grief that Anna had died let her unconsciously contain them while she mourned. Only after Anna dethawed did she put two and two together and figure out how she did that.
- Sadness and grief probably have a different, much more dubdued, effect on her powers than anxiety, upset and stress. The latter three emotions are at play when she bickers with Anna at her coronation and accidentally reveals her powers, and later when Anna comes to her ice palace and she strikes Anna in the heart; clearly when she feels like that, she struggles most to control her powers. But note that the movie never shows her powers getting more out of control when she's mourning her parents who just died (even that one shot at the end of "Do You Want to Build a Snowman" where she's sobbing in her ice-covered room, seems to be caused more by her being upset about shutting Anna out than about her grief over her parents).
- Elsaís powers were out of control earlier in the film due to her being not only upset, but also frantic, anxious, and in a panic as she struggled to restrain her feelings and fix things. When faced with a truly tragic event, however, such as the deaths of Anna and her parents, she comes to lose her grip on everything, even her own powers, due to finally allowing herself a chance to cry, and to grieve, and to reflect on the love she felt for her family. Much like in ďLet It GoĒ, she manages to control her powers by just letting her feelings flow, be they happy or sad, in both cases due to believing that she has nothing else to lose, although for different reasons. Bottom line is, it was never about containing her powers by containing her emotions...All she needed was to release her emotions, to let them flow naturally, and her powers would eventually follow on their own.
- Her powers run haywire when she feels negative emotions, but in different ways depending on which negative emotion. When she's feeling anxiety and turmoil, she gets a snowstorm swirling around her, but deep, numbing emotional shock from something like the death of a family member causes the weather to go very still to the point that the snowflakes actually hang immobile in midair.
Elsa And Depression/Anxiety
- So is Elsa actually depressed/anxious, or supposed to represent those two illnesses, or are people just projecting their own interpretation onto the character and complaining when it's not canon? Because I never got the idea that she was supposed to "represent" any sort of mental illness, let alone actually have it. I mean, she's anxious about her powers being revealed, but she seems fine with herself after she realizes that she doesn't have to hide her magic anymore.
- Co-director Jennifer Lee has confirmed that Elsa suffers from depression. Elsa actually isn't fine again after "Let It Go"; she's still withdrawing from the world, and after learning her powers are still affecting Arendelle she tries to withdraw even further. Pulling away and denying help from things you once found fun is a pretty big symptom of depression.
No attempt to tackle Hans?
- From a writers' perspective, having Anna step in front of Hans just as he's swinging the sword, and thus 'sacrificing himself for her', constitutes the 'act of love ' clause. It's noted on Fridge Horror that if Anna had frozen a second too late she'd have been sliced to death. Logically speaking, wouldn't it have made more sense to try to push/tackle Hans so that he at least drops his sword?
- Given that she can barely stand upright under her own power at that point and is using literally the last bit of energy she has, chances are a chance to push / tackle him would only be very easily brushed aside and next to useless. Even if she's killed, as far as she's concerned she's dead anyway, so she might as well go out in a last-ditch attempt to protect her sister.
- Given that she is slowly freezing solid it is unlikely Anna is thinking clearly, or at all. It's pure protective instinct that causes her to throw herself between Hans and Elsa.
Frozen heart, freezing body
- How does the part about Anna's body freezing from getting hit with Elsa's ice work? Does ice travel through her bloodstream until her entire body freezes over?
- It's magic.
- Elsa's magic appears to emerge as energy of sorts before solidifying into ice form. Getting struck with that energy before it's turned into ice is what causes the problem. Perhaps it affects one on something of a "spiritual" level (for lack of a better word), causing your soul itself to freeze over and therefore your body.
- I'm one to think that the freezing started in her heart, slowly freezing her bloodstream over. Eventually, it spread and turned to her skin, and, uh, her body started to be converted into ice on a molecular level.
"Love, of course...Of course?"
- I'm not sure whether this has been brought up already, but at the end of the film, what is it that Elsa realizes that suddenly allows her to thaw the kingdom? She spends the entire movie denying that she knows anything about how to undo the curse, but then after Anna saves her, she just says "Love," waves her arms at the ground, and boom, the kingdom thaws.
- She saw that Anna's freezing was undone by their mutual feelings of love. Before she had been trying to restrain her powers by repressing all feeling. But having seen now that happy emotions did the opposite, she tried invoking those instead. Pretty quickly indeed, but that's what she figured out.
- But hadn't she felt similar positive feelings before, during "Let It Go"? Even if they weren't stimulated by love, the general optimism was still there. And I know that trying to keep from worrying about something, as Elsa did when she found out about the winter, can be very difficult, but this still begs questions like if love in itself is the only thing that can act as a cure for ice magic, does that mean different emotions can lead to many different outcomes? If so, why didn't the film seem to address this? And why didn't Grand Pabbie mention love acting as a cure to Elsa in the beginning?
- There's a big difference between experiencing an emotion and focussing on that emotion. Elsa has had a lot of emotions over the years, but ever since she hurt Anna she's been focussing on her fear. It's not until she hears Olaf make the connection between love and thawing that she's able to actually focus on the feeling and how it affects her powers. remember, she's spent twelve years trying to turn her powers off, not experimenting to see which emotions cause which reactions.
- Moreover, ever since Anna's original injury, Elsa's feelings of love have always been tainted by fear of harming someone. When her parents were alive, she was afraid even to touch them, and she didn't dare even say "hello" to her sister for over a decade. It's only after Elsa's worst nightmare - accidentally freezing her sister, seemingly to death - had come true, only to reverse itself and bring Anna back, alive and well and still loving her, could Elsa move past that terror to embrace the love she felt for Anna, pure and uncontaminated by her old fears.
The Un-Proactive Trolls
- I don't hold much against the trolls themselves - they're pretty funny, and a lot of their miscommunications could just as well be attributed to Anna and Elsa's parents. But then there's how unproactive they are. At the beginning, they seem to recognize the king, which would imply some sort of history with him, and Grand Pabbie is shown giving Elsa some advice on coming to terms with her magic. But after this scene, they never really seem to do anything on their own, even when the situation would call for it - after the king and queen die, during the coronation, when the entire kingdom is cast into the frigid heart of an eternal winter, all of these, we can presume that all the trolls do is sit all curled up into boulders in their valley and wait for Anna and Kristoff to come find them. So if they were really as useful as the film shows them to be on the two occasions that we see them, why don't they ever do more to...help out, in some way?
- What makes you think they even know about any of that stuff? Their valley seems untouched by the winter, and they're not at the Coronation. Going out and getting involved is just apparently not something they do.
- Wasn't there supplementary material somewhere about how the trolls actually turn to stone during the day (explaining why we only see them at night)? Regardless of that, the trolls probably know about the rest of Arendelle being frozen over, but they probably don't care because they have the geothermal features and geysers and whatnot to keep their area warm and snow free. In fact, they probably don't see a need to help anyone.
Olaf after the movie
- I actually had quite a few questions about Olaf...He seems to stay and live with Anna and Elsa at the castle - how exactly would they have to accommodate him? Would magical snowman need to eat or sleep? And when Elsa grows old and dies, what will happen to him? Everyone seemed to think the winter would end in the movie if Elsa was killed, so would Olaf similarly melt if she passed away?
- This was actually suggested on WMG that perhaps Olaf and Marshmallow were tied to Elsa's life force.
- Frozen Fever shows he's capable of eating cake, though it doesn't appear he needs to eat to live.
- This raises questions like, does Olaf have a digestive tract and whatnot?
- Uh, no he doesn't. He doesn't have a skull. Or bones. Or any organs that can be damaged by being impaled on an icicle. Plus he COMES APART and fits back together without damage, even if his parts aren't always in the right order. He's magic. And maybe his magic is tied to Elsa's life force, but if that's true he'll "live" far longer than an ordinary snowman, so why should he complain?
Do you want to build a snowman... Seriously?
- I mean, how could Anna keep asking Elsa to build a snowman after her memories about playing with snow coming from Elsa's powers were erased? Wasn't she supposed to forget that her sister had snow/ice powers?
- She lost the memories of the powers, not the memories of playing with the snow. Grand Pabbie is explicit — and puts up a brief demonstration — that she's keeping her memories of the fun they had. Anna remembers making snowmen and sledding with Elsa just fine. She just doesn't remember Elsa using magic powers to do it.
Did Elsa realize what she'd done?
- After the reprise of For the First Time in Forever, does Elsa know that she struck Anna with her powers? She turns around, sees Anna hunched over and gripping her chest, and seems to appear distressed by this, but if she does know what she did, why doesn't she do anything like acknowledge it, apologize, or advise Anna to go to the trolls, and why did she seem surprised when Hans told her Anna had died from it? How had she expected her to survive without knowing the cure or who could help her find it?
- Did she understand that to some extent, she had accidentally injured Anna with her powers? Yes. Did she understand that she had cursed Anna's heart and that Anna would be magically transformed into an ice sculpture without an "Act of True Love" to reverse the curse? Probably not. When Anna got up and seemed to be fine, Elsa's thought shifted from "Oh God what have I done?!" to "I need to get her out of here before I hurt her any worse". Thus, the appearance of Marshmallow to forcibly eject her from the building.
- Fair enough. But even if she thought it was just a scrape or something, and was still very upset, why didn't she even consider telling her she should go see the trolls? Anna almost dying after being hit in the head is what led to Elsa's isolation when they were kids - you'd think she wouldn't want something like that to happen again, right?
- She might not remember exactly what Grand Pabbie said, after all those years of isolation, fear, and her parents' deaths. And if she didn't realize she had struck the heart, then she wouldn't have any other reason to think there was a danger, let alone one that would require the trolls' help.
- Well let's imagine that Elsa did see the impact. Assuming she remembers the trolls, she probably would've been insisting "Anna, you need to find the trolls."
Is Arendelle a city-state?
- There don't seem to be any heavily inhabited areas in the kingdom besides the capital city, and said capital doesn't seem to have a specific name unless it is Arendelle. It could be that the borders extend far beyond the area shown in the film, but then it doesn't make sense to equate freezing that area with freezing the entire kingdom, unless that area is the entire kingdom.
- Yep, this troper basically assumed Arendelle was a city-state with a port. Even a small city-state of 10,000-20,000 would need at least 100,000-200,000 people in villages and towns to support it, and then there's the trade they get from neighboring places. The idea of a single unified kingdom for an entire country is a lot less common than people think, and it was more usual for a country to be split into a dozen or so petty-kingdoms.
"In Summer" imagine spot
- So when that shot of Anna and Kristoff with Dagwood Sandwiches comes up in "In Summer," is that supposed to be Olaf imagining them there, or are Anna and Kristoff just trying to put some sort of visual to Olaf's lyrics?
- I think this is a good indication that this page is getting a bit too long. It's just a song number. It's not meant to be taken that seriously. Basically, yes, it was Olaf's imagination.
Elsa in her palace
- I know that Elsa's mental health issues were what kept her from realizing the problems of living in her ice palace long-term, but it has been almost a day since she built it when Anna and Kristoff make it there...What was she doing all that time to amuse herself? This isn't just locking yourself up in a room inside your castle, where you still have food to eat and things to do...Her palace and everything in it is made completely and entirely of ice. Shouldn't she have realized at some point how difficult living up there would be?
- Who's to say she just stayed put there in the ice palace all day? She could have been out building more bridges to other nearby peaks, gathering berries from the valleys between the mountains, or playing around making funky fractal ice sculptures for hours before heading back there. Heck, after spending most of her life hiding in the royal palace, she was probably as eager to spend time outside as Rapunzel was in Tangled.
- There's a good interquel fic somewhere that suggested that Elsa probably left the ice palace to gather berries, but being unable to tell which ones weren't poisonous, gave up.
Why was Hans abused from a young age?
- We all know that Hans was endlessly abused by his family from the get-go (including the incident where three of his brothers pretended he was invisible for two goddamn years), but what's been boggling my mind for quite some time is the real reason why they did it in the first place. Could he there be darker reasons why they abused him? Does he have magical powers? Maternal Death? Blame the Child? For the Evulz just because he's the youngest? A prophecy regarding Hans and his family?
- Could I please see a source that says Hans was abused by his family? Apart from the bit about his brothers, I don't remember anything in the movie saying that his entire family abused him.
- The book A Frozen Heart shows that except for his mother and Lars, his father and eleven of his brothers abused him a lot. But it does not explain why.
- Are you saying the book just says "Hans was abused by his father and most of his siblings," without giving any sort of a reason? That sounds incredibly odd for it to be written that way. (Though I wouldn't except any rational explanation why someone would abuse one of his children anyway.) Did they gang up on him? Beat him? Starve him? Was he the only victim?
- Hans' brothers (except for Lars) beat him and otherwise physically abuse him. They gang up on him (easy to do towards the youngest and thus smallest...) But, what Hans finds even more painful to endure, is the emotional abuse: his father and 11 of his brothers have been saying to Hans for his whole life that Hans is worthless and can't do anything right (even though he always is doing his best), and that Hans shouldn't have existed / should never have been born. The reason? With 12 older brothers, the royal Westergaards already were secured of an heir to the throne, so the existence of the youngest brothers was pointless to them. Yes, that's a cruel way to view human life, but that's the way it is in the Westergaard family. note
- What... so in a kingdom that needed one heir, plus maybe one or two extras in case something happens to him, there are thirteen royal sons ... and it's only the youngest one that gets told he's unnecessary? What about the other nine or ten brothers that are increasingly-unlikely to inherit the throne? You'd think that after their third or fourth kid, the King would have realized that he can train up his extra boys for the army or civil service or something, not just dismiss them as "useless" and leave them to mope, beat each other up, or conspire to usurp power at home or in neighboring countries.
- Could I please see a source that says Hans was abused by his family? Apart from the bit about his brothers, I don't remember anything in the movie saying that his entire family abused him.
So Elsa's powers are getting out of control...
- Throughout the song Do You Wanna Build A Snowman? we see Elsa and her parents attempt to control her ice and snow power but it's progressively getting worse. The King and Queen are clearly at their wit's end...but don't bother going back to the trolls and asking for help (as they're clearly the only people who have some knowledge of snow magic). So why didn't they? It would make sense if they had died relatively soon after meeting the trolls (which is what happens in the Broadway musical) but Anna and Elsa are teenagers when they do.
- The Trolls would probably just repeat their original advice, which the King and Queen hadn't wanted to follow and clearly still didn't want to follow when the sisters got older, so going back to them wouldn't be of any use from their point of view. Because the Trolls had advised them to remove Elsa's powers and erase all memories of magic in both sisters, but they hadn't taken that advice and instead followed their own plan: to only erase Anna's memories of magic, but to leave Elsa her powers and her memories. That decision turned out to cause problems for both sisters, but the King and Queen apparently didn't want to reconsider it.
- Uhh, what are you talking about? The trolls never said anything about removing memories of magic from both sisters. The issue was that they gave Elsa the extremely vague warning of "Fear will be your enemy," instead of going into more detail by telling her "Your powers will manifest differently based on your emotions. If you allow yourself to fear them instead of learning to control them, they'll only become more dangerous." Odds are if the parents had gone back to see them, the trolls would've pointed out the obvious flaws in their plan of firing most of the castle staff, locking Elsa away from everyone, and alienating her from her little sister over one childhood accident that was only a case of bad luck.
- The Trolls would probably just repeat their original advice, which the King and Queen hadn't wanted to follow and clearly still didn't want to follow when the sisters got older, so going back to them wouldn't be of any use from their point of view. Because the Trolls had advised them to remove Elsa's powers and erase all memories of magic in both sisters, but they hadn't taken that advice and instead followed their own plan: to only erase Anna's memories of magic, but to leave Elsa her powers and her memories. That decision turned out to cause problems for both sisters, but the King and Queen apparently didn't want to reconsider it.
The debate over A Frozen Heart moved from the Nightmare Fuel page is now here.
- But we have to keep in mind that if this book is canon to the movie, it still doesn't excuse Hans' actions in the film.
- It is really irritating when people take the idea that Hans may have had a bad childhood and use it to justify his actions in the film. There are millions of people incarcerated for violent crimes who had bad childhoods devoid of love and rife with abuse. Is that sad? Absolutely. Itís horrific just how widespread childhood abuse/neglect is, and there really isnít enough attention given to the incredibly damaging and long-term effects of emotional abuse and emotional neglect. Itís not as visible, so itís harder to point to, but the damage it causes is arguably even greater than physical abuse. Now, having said thatÖ are those criminals given a pass? Does a murderer or rapist get a ďsecond chanceĒ because they had a bad childhood, even if they show no remorse whatsoever for their actions? Not a chance in hell. Even in countries with more liberal treatment of criminals, they may rehab prisoners who committed crimes for economic reasons, or they may give them opportunities to learn empathy (e.g. programs that allow prisoners to care for and train shelter dogs), but they donít just shrug and release them because, oh, okay, you may have brutally murdered your girlfriend, but your parents never hugged you or told you they loved you. Sorry, we understand completely, itís okay. Same thing with Hans.
- Letís take it entirely as gospel that he really was ignored and neglected by his family. That may, MAY explain why he grew up to be a man with no real conscience or empathy (so much emphasis on may, because this proper personally subscribes to the idea that Hans is a sociopath, in which case he could have had the most loving childhood in the universe and he still wouldnít get empathy), but in no universe does that excuse it. Itís like saying that because someone had a terrible childhood, they're not responsible for their actions if they harm someone else ó even if they attempt to murder someone. They're not a criminal, they're just a poor, lost soul who was damaged as a child and as a result, they just canít control themselves. Itís not their fault if they hurt someone else.
- So letís give the Hans sympathizers every benefit of the doubt. Heís not a sociopath. He really was horribly abused and neglected by his family. Heís had a seriously rough life. And he still actively chose to manipulate and betray Anna, to leave her to die alone, to attempt to murder Elsa and seize the throne. Those were conscious choices that he made. Even if he was abused, he chose that second option. He chose to hurt others the way he was hurt. And maybe itís very sad, in the same way that itís sad that so many real-life criminals had awful childhoods. Maybe Hans is a tragic figure. But he still doesnít get a pass for his actions. He doesnít get a get-out-of-jail-free card to harm others because he was harmed.
- I agree with almost everything here; however, people have made even worse villains out to be sympathetic or misguided before, so it's not like this is anything new. The only difference here is that Disney made it easier for them with Hans, by making him the most bland and generic bad guy out here whose actions didn't leave any lasting damage, giving him an overly sympathetic backstory, and throwing in the unnecessary Duke of Weselton to throw suspicion off of Hans and maybe make him appear a little better in comparison, even though the Duke had even less impact on anything, and wasn't without his Pet the Dog moments.