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*** That's game mechanics, not lore.
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*** A few are dead regardless but most can be still alive, depending on player action. As for Cullen the argument isn't pro-mage but that he's not an extremist.
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** Theft? It was ''not'' just theft. Let's talk about what she did. She was a pirate who had a hand in stealing the Tome of Koslun from the Qunari, lied to Hawke for years about it and dodged the Qunari and questions about the "relic" until the ''very moment'' before she got it back. She knew the Arishok had near-godlike powers of knowing what was going on in the city, she knew he was growing ''very tired'' of being there and was on the edge of rampage. And when the Tome finally popped up, ''there were Qunari sitting in the entrance and inside the building itself where it was being held.'' There was no way in hell she wouldn't have realized the Arishok knew exactly where it was. And in spite of all that, ''she still took off with it,'' dooming Kirkwall to an assault that killed of innocent people and guards, and damn near killed Hawke and Aveline (remember that the Arishok tried to eliminate Hawke before anyone else). She had every inclination of what the Arishok would do, and ''[[MoralEventHorizon she still did it.]]'' She has literally ''hundreds of innocent lives'' on her head, and regardless of whether she and my Hawke were friends, [[KickTheSonOfABitch she needed to answer for those crimes.]] Now, she didn't break any ''Kirkwall'' laws, but if you break laws in Russia and harm Russian people, if and when you are extradited for it you answer to Russian laws. This is basically what happens if you toss her to the Qunari - They drag her to Par Vollen and she answers to the Qun. Their punishment is extremely horrible, yes, but ''Hawke'' didn't know that, and doesn't know until Fenris spells it out for him/her during party banter ''in Act 3, which occurs three years later.'' And Fenris doesn't say what'll happen to Isabela if he's in the party while you're in front of the Arishok. And Isabela returning the Tome doesn't make up for the hundreds of lives on her head. So no, it's not a betrayal. She put her own life ahead of the lives of hundreds of innocent people, and as a result, hundreds of people died for it. And if you don't let the Qunari handle it, she becomes a ''Karma Houdini''. [[SincerityMode Hell no. She had to pay for that.]]

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** Theft? It was ''not'' just theft. Let's talk about what she did. She was a pirate who had a hand in stealing the Tome of Koslun from the Qunari, lied to Hawke for years about it and dodged the Qunari and questions about the "relic" until the ''very moment'' before she got it back. She knew the Arishok had near-godlike powers of knowing what was going on in the city, she knew he was growing ''very tired'' of being there and was on the edge of rampage. And when the Tome finally popped up, ''there were Qunari sitting in the entrance and inside the building itself where it was being held.'' There was no way in hell she wouldn't have realized the Arishok knew exactly where it was. And in spite of all that, ''she still took off with it,'' dooming Kirkwall to an assault that killed of innocent people and guards, and damn near killed Hawke and Aveline (remember that the Arishok tried to eliminate Hawke before anyone else). She had every inclination of what the Arishok would do, and ''[[MoralEventHorizon she still did it.]]'' She has literally ''hundreds of innocent lives'' on her head, and regardless of whether she and my Hawke were friends, [[KickTheSonOfABitch she needed to answer for those crimes.]] crimes. Now, she didn't break any ''Kirkwall'' laws, but if you break laws in Russia and harm Russian people, if and when you are extradited for it you answer to Russian laws. This is basically what happens if you toss her to the Qunari - They drag her to Par Vollen and she answers to the Qun. Their punishment is extremely horrible, yes, but ''Hawke'' didn't know that, and doesn't know until Fenris spells it out for him/her during party banter ''in Act 3, which occurs three years later.'' And Fenris doesn't say what'll happen to Isabela if he's in the party while you're in front of the Arishok. And Isabela returning the Tome doesn't make up for the hundreds of lives on her head. So no, it's not a betrayal. She put her own life ahead of the lives of hundreds of innocent people, and as a result, hundreds of people died for it. And if you don't let the Qunari handle it, she becomes a ''Karma Houdini''. [[SincerityMode Hell no. She had to pay for that.]]
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*** '''TL;DR''': No, Anders didn't think things through, and that was the point.

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*** '''TL;DR''': No, ** You also have to remember that Anders didn't think things through, and is specifically trying to manipulate ''Meredith''. Yes, it could've gone wrong in a whole lot of ways if Meredith reacted a little more reasonably... but the problem is that was this requires ''Meredith'' to react reasonably. A moderate Templar leader would have turned the point.situation deeply to the Templars' favor, but Meredith could be counted on to react in the most StupidEvil way possible and make the Templars look like the assholes even when they were victims of an unprovoked attack, and Anders knew this. Meredith's bloodthirst is just very, very predictable.
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** Because Meredith just proved that she's gone off the slippery slope on a pair of rocket skates. Cullen may be a Templar, but he's not ''stupid'', and he realizes that keeping Meredith in charge is probably the worst thing they could possibly do to their cause short of all committing ritual suicide. He ''wants'' a peaceful solution that involves the Templars stopping their murder spree and the Mages cutting out the demonology, but recognizes that Hawke is the lesser evil than Miss Annul-Circles-For-Existing-When-I'm-Upset.

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