Headscratchers: Dragon Ball Z Abridged aka: Dragon Ball Abridged
Wouldn't blowing up Planet Vegeta be a 30 year old twitter post by this point? Or does Freeza like reminding people that he blew it up every so often? He probably would, wouldn't he?
Freeza, like Cooler, is a massive prick. He's probably the type who'd rub it in the face of the remaining Saiyans on a regular basis.
He does apparently like to troll-edit Planet Vegeta's space wikipedia page on a regular basis.
Doesn't necessarily mean that it was at that exact moment. It looked more like a quick flashback cutaway.
Or maybe Space Twitter has been around longer and Vegeta was taking an Archive Binge.
This. After all, it is SPACE Twitter.
If thats true, then why did Vegeta work for him knowing he blew up his planet?
Because he had no choice. He was forced to do so by Freeza. We also don't know old Vegeta is, so he could have only been a child at the time, and he could have been raised to obey Freeza until he noticed something fishy about it. This could also mean that the planet he was seen leaving at the start may have been some other planet than his own.
Because Vegeta was a pre-teen Saiyan elite standing against someone who genocided an entire race with his FINGER.
...You've never seen Bardock: Father of Goku, have you?
Maybe that was the last twitter post Freeza ever made.
Look at the other twitter posts. The cutaway was a flashback.
Kannassa, now Freeza Planet 419
@ Cooler, you're a prick.
Why wasn't Chiaotzu telling Krillin that nobody cared that he destroyed the Saibaman counted as a point on the Krillin Owned Count? If they can do it when Master Roshi told Krillin to shut up after Krillin blamed him for not rescuing Gohan, then they should have done it there.
The acts canceled each other out, maybe?
That or because Chiaotzu was an idiot who killed himself on the assumption he would be brought back when he clearly couldn't and thus didn't have the ABILITY to even be worth noting on the own count.
Dodoria being an "'in the now' kind of guy" despite being outed as a girl after the Bardock special is just a mite curious in hindsight.
The line "now you know my terrible secret" indicates that she had been lying about it the whole time.
The why did both Freeza and Zarbon seem to know?
I'm not convinced Freeza did know. His shock at hearing "She's dead" could be from either word. Zarbon on the other hand is a peer, someone she works with on a regular basis and can relate to.
Except Freeza's never heard calling Dodoria a man, except for general terms like "one of my best men (aka minions)" Yes, doing so would've spoiled the joke, but it also gives weight to the view that he knew she was a woman. Plus, he reacted much more shocked (and refered to it in a later episode) when Zarbon was revealed to be straight, so I think he must've known her true gender.
"Guy" can be used as a gender-neutral term.
Usually in a sense of plurals, not singular.
Depends on region and person. Besides, it would have spoiled the joke otherwise, and if it was a "terrible secret" it's not like Dodoria would've been dropping words that explicitly stated the truth.
Dodoria could have been sarcastic, acting like Vegeta was literally the last person to find out.
Alternatively, Dodoria could have been acting like it was a TERRIBLE secret in order to try to earn sympathy points, because moments later she is cowering and saying anything (like "we can rule to together as husband and wife") in order to not get wasted.
Why is it that people like Chiatzu, Bulma, and Roshi threaten Krillin and make fun of him for being a weakling when he can kill them in like 3 seconds?
Why is it that people consider Dodoria's sex to be a spoiler (one that is very poorly hidden on this wiki) yet Zarbon's sexual orientation is plastered all over the place, unmarked? We thought Zarbon was gay for longer than we thought Dodoria was a man, so why does the first truth to be revealed get spoiler-tagged, but not the second one?
Because Dodoria was explicitly a man in the original, meaning its a change and thus a twist, whereas Zarbon was ambiguous in the original, and thus if its a new twist (and thus spoilerworthy) is debatable.
Actually his orientation is spoilered on this page.
How do we know Zarbon is straight? It could be a Girlfriend in Canada situation. Or even if he does have a girlfriend, he could, as he said in Episode 14, go both ways.
Becuase of his shock and disgust of what Vegeta insinuates.
Zarbon: What? NO! God NO!
Zarbon: What, you thought I was single?
And so on.
Freeza doesn't buy it. He's convinced this "girlfriend" is named Chuck. For all we know Zarbon could have been acting shocked and disgusted to Vegeta's insinuations.
Or he might have just been disgusted to be accused of molesting an unconscious person. Also, a bisexual might not like people thinking he's entirely gay, which would account for a lot of his indignation over that topic.
Here's my headscratcher why are so many people determined to not believe that Zarbon was Camp Straight ? (there's a reason we have that trope, after all) Aside from the "in the now kind of guy" joke, I don't see many people trying to disprove thte whole Dodoria is a woman thing ("Dodoria was originally a guy but got a sex change, or vice-versa" "Dodoria's biologically male but identifies as female" ect.), so why is this such a big deal?
Because she was voted the most beautiful, and fertile woman on her home planet. People who receive sex changes are incapable of reproduction.
It's an alien race, they might be able to change gender while retaining the ability to reproduce.
Because it's fucking funny, that's why. Up until that point Zarbon was a thundering cacophony of gay stereotypes. Everything pointed toward him being gay. Finding out that he was actually straight all along is hilarious.
Vegeta makes a Your Mom joke, Cui responds with "my species reproduces asexually." Funny, but... does that really negate the joke? After all, if Cui's species reproduces asexually, then Cui still must have one parent, and what would you call that one parent if not the mother? Certainly not the father.
Piccolo would not appreciate the insinuation that he is his own mother.
He probably implied that his species did not have sexual intercourse.
Except a couple episodes later, where he says the same Your Mom joke to Vegeta.
...and he completely didn't get that having sex with someone's dead mother is not done. Because he is totally unfamiliar with sexual activity.
Based on the tone with which he said, "I know!" when challenged that Vegeta's mother is dead, it sounded less like he didn't understand, and more like he knew how horrible the necrophilia would make it, and used it for added effect. Remember, they weren't using Your Mom as a joke, they were using it to be offensive to each other; necrophilia just makes it that much more so.
What would you call that one parent? Parent.
Remember the joke? "Off to plow your mother!", if his species reproduces asexually, basically he is his own mother. So, Vegeta said that he went to have sex with Cui himself. At least that's how I got it.
Err, no. Asexual reproduction does not make you your own parent; it makes you the parent of your offspring. The only way Cui could be his own parent is if he and said parent were the same organism. Granted, they could be genetically identical (and with some forms of asexual reproduction, even that's not the case), but they're not physically the same being.
If Cui's species reproduces asexually then (depending on exactly how they reproduce) it should be physically impossible for Vegeta to plow his mother. For instance, if Cui's people reproduce by budding then Cui's gender-ambiguous parent wouldn't have a vagina for Vegeta to fuck.
On the other hand, you can MAKE a hole... On the other OTHER hand, on Earth we have a species of lizards that are all biologically female, but for some odd reason produce clones of themselves. It could be a genetic throw-back to when female organs were in use. On the other OTHER OTHER hand, Cui could simply be lying to try to make Vegeta look like an ignorant idiot. Any way you slice it, this, like all the jokes, are simply Rule of Funny.
When Goku saw Mr. Popo while in the hospital, he freaked out something fierce. But... he encountered Popo on the lookout when he was heading towards the Saiyans. Why didn't he freak out then?
He was capable of movement and self-defense on the lookout.
Goku didn't actually see Popo as Popo was too busy making and buttering toast.
In the hosipital, Mr. Popo came to Goku with a purpose. If Mr. Popo gets off his lazy, evil ass and comes to you, then you're fucked. If you go to him and he's busy, you be polite, don't break anything, and run away before he's no longer busy. Besides, Mr. Popo doesn't like to do work, so why would he molest/attack Goku while he's in the middle of mission that would most certainly fall to Kami and Mr. Popo if Goku is incapitated? Dude just wants to be buttering that toast.
What the hell does Recoome say in the Ginyu introduction scene? I can't understand it no matter how much I listen. All I hear is "And Pops some hay!" Wat.
Sounds like "and bust some heads!" to me.
Yep, it's "and bust some heads". However Recoome's voice does make it easy to mistake what he's saying.
How does Vegeta and thus Freeza learn about the Namekian Dragon Balls? Goku tells him the Earth Dragon Balls are useless with Piccolo dead, but he never tells him where to find alternative balls.
Space Google. Presumably, previous surveys and researchers visiting Namek have heard about the Dragon Balls but assumed them to be legend or mythology, and left the references buried in reports. Freeza has enough money and underlings to look up if there's any other appearances of the dragon balls, and thus find the erroneously-assumed-to-be-legend report.
Also, if one Namekian can create Dragon Balls, it's likely another Namekian can, too.
In the original, didn't Vegeta recognize Piccolo as a Namekian on sight? The exact specifics are a bit fuzzy to this troper's memory, but by the time he had left Earth he knew where he was going and what he was looking for.
"You all mocked me!... THE WHOLE WORLD STOOD THERE AND MOCKED ME!"
...really, Guldo? How in the name of Yemma can he equate "Vegeta made fun of me and threw dog treats at me sometimes" with "The whole world stood there and mocked me"? I mean, we never see the rest of the Ginyu Force pick on him; hell, even Freeza seems to respect him, and he loves to abuse his henchmen!
He's just overreacting.
Judging by the fact that none of them cared that he was dead, Vegeta's treatment of him probably isn't unique. He's a nerdy little guy hanging out with a bunch of big, muscular, douchebags. Figure it out.
Three big, muscular douchebags and a not-so-big muscular guy from Space Australia, to be fair.
This exchange between Popo and Bulma while on the flying carpet (the dialogue may not be entirely accurate, but the gist of it is true):
Popo: This carpet gets about 10,000 miles to the soul.
Popo: The gallon.
The thing is... why did Popo change his statement? It's not like he's afraid of anyone.
On a slightly more serious note, maybe Cooler is the older brother? I don't recall whether he is in canon, but that would probably put his authority over Freeza's. EDIT: Okay, just checked the Dragonball Wiki, and it says that Freeza is, in fact, the younger brother.
Ginyu states that he's contractually obligated to perform the dances. It was probably slipped in without him knowing about it, and Cooler pointed it out to him at some point. Rather than change his contract, he just goes with it.
Cooler is older and therefore outranks him. That's canon.
In Episode 19, Vegeta's scouter-beep censored rant doesn't sound anything like the The Stinger made it out to be in the end. The "Fu-" and "Sh-" sounds are especially noticeable. It's not a big deal, but it does make me think The Stinger is just a non-canon joke.
Listen again. It cuts out a sentence, but the entire beginning and end portion are there. It's not a complete change
"Oh, my eyes! Oh, God, it's like walking in on Freeza in the shower! Wait a minute Freeza's always naked! AHHHH!!!!!!!!!": Except Vegeta had only seen Freeza's first form at that time — a form that wears both black underpants AND battle armor.
He was wrong about Dodoria being a man and Zarbon being gay too. Maybe he was wrong again
I always just assumed that the armor was designed based on Freeza's body, and that he was still always naked.
Maybe acting stereotypically effeminate by our standards is considered very masculine on his planet (and in hindsight, most of his innuendos would seem to be oblivious)? That his behavior makes people think he's gay would then be more like Values Dissonance.
I'd go with the latter explanation above, while adding that no one ever seems to call him on the way he's acting. Every time he says something suggestive, it goes more or less ignored - the closest anyone ever got to pointing out the innuendo was during that awkward moment with Appule, in which case Zarbon seemed to figure it out for himself before making a quick leave. So, if indeed he came from a planet were acting like that was normal, it seems quite believable that he could've gone on being totally unaware of everyone thinking he's gay, as nobody ever says it outright.
Are the two movies made before TFS got together (Dead Zone and World's strongest) supposed to be canon in this universe? Every single character seems to be exactly the same... except Gohan. Gohan was less intelligent in those two movies (Ox King even says that he goes to "retard classes") but in the series he's one of the smartest of the bunch.
I don't think so.
Not sure if this is the appropriate place to ask, but where can these movies be found?
Perhaps Gohan's "retard classes" are to make him retarded? That way, since he's only mentioned to have taken them in the movies, he could have either not "learned" to be retarded in the main TFS series or just plain forgotten his teachings and become intelligent again.
In World's Strongest, Goku swore often and was very snideful. In the main series, Goku never swore. Did Goku hit his head again?
Yes, on a bottle of bleach...
As of the remake of Dead Zone Abridged, it seems that they're not canon.
Did Team Four Star forget to keep track of the Krillin Owned Counter? It's turned 13 twice in a row now. Did the first 13 (Seizure Procedure) not count? Or is it a setup for a joke later?
In the new episode, when Freeza gores him, it turns from 13 to 15.
Then he gets repeatedly owned, taking it all the way up to 25. One for every episode. Team Four Star saw their mistake and corrected it.
As funny and within character as Guru's dick move was, it creates a tiny little problem. Since his death is a suicide and not being a victim of Freeza, how is he supposed to be revived by the Dragon Balls?
If I remember correctly, Popo is the one who finds the dragon and wishes everybody to life. That's your justification.
Didn't look like a suicide to me... I just thought he died of old age and Guru thought it would be a dick move to stop fighting it.
His voice sounds weak and weary through the whole scene- he probably was dying already, and just decided that it would be funnier to go right when he did.
I interpreted it as him whispering to himself about how much of a dick move it would be to die when they just summoned the dragon. When he decides to do it, he just holds his breath until he dies from lack of oxygen.
Just to clarify, in the regular canon, Guru dies of grief over the massacre of his people so when they use the Earth Dragon Balls to wish back the people that Freeza and his minions killed, Guru comes back as well because his death was a result of that. The question is, how Guru will come back if it's obvious his death wasn't in grief. I figure it's an easy enough solution for the Earth balls to be used to wish all the Nameks back to life, not the victims of Freeza.
In canon, Guru's death is considered to be because of Freeza because he wouldn't have been so heartbroken if Freeza hadn't killed his men. Well here he decides to die in the middle of the wishes that were being made not just to restore the people Nappa killed but to fix all the damage Freeza did. If it weren't for Freeza, they could have gotten their one wish and been done with it. So he wouldn't have stopped his heart then to be a dick if it hadn't been for Freeza and therefore it is at least partially due to Freeza that he died.
The problem with the Namekian revival theory is that Vegeta, who is not a Namek, is on Freeza's killed list. I think we should just go with the Popo theory.
Or maybe the dragon is so happy at someone other than the Z warriors summoning him that he just does whatever he's told.
Well, now we know - Guru stopped his own heart, and it's quite possible he somehow managed to restart it right at the same time everybody else came back.
So, is Vegeta3986 still on Team Four Star? In the latest episode, Yamcha was interrupted before he could say anything and Kami had a completely different voice actor.
Nope, he's left the team.
To be more precise, there was no "drama" to it. Vegeta3986 had become distant from the team and they decided they'd rather carry on with certain characters in different directions, at a quicker pace. There was no drama to it, merely recasting to make things easier for everyone.
In episode 21 when right before Vegeta finishes Recoome, there was a symbol in the corner, what is it?
How did Freeza know about the parts he wasn't there for?
Nappa, I'm guessing.
The Scouter was on the entire time. The entire time.
I'm sorry, 'how about one-hundred?' This is Gohan we're talking about here. Those pea-shooters are weaker than your normal ki-blast, which Gohan can deflect. Not buying that. Sorry.
What? No, seriously, can you be more specific as to what you're talking about?
In Lord Slug, Gohan gets shot down by a bunch of mooks with blasters. To answer the question, Gohan can deflect the blasts- but they were all shooting at him at once, so that at least some got through.
For a more appropriate answer: They're working with the material they have. DBZ filler arcs and movies play so loose with continuity that you're lucky they're getting the characters' names right.
For further reference on how movie continuity is not our earth continuity, see also Talking Movie Bubbles, Piccolo's christmas present, and Vegeta's "This is so non-canon it hurts."
Speaking of LSA, why did Goku say at the end He could now revive Chiaotzu, Master Roshi and Krillin? The first two didn't appear in the special and the third seemed more kinda tacked on.
It's a reference to King Piccolo's arc from DB. According to Lanipator's review, it was because Lord Slug is basically a rip off of the said arc.
OP: thanks, that helps
Also from LSA, Why is Krillin Mr. Pink? I got pretty much all the other references, but this flew over my head.
It's sort of a cross-reference, Reservoir Dogs via Armageddon. In the previous scene, Dr. Briefs says "get me Bruce Willis and Steve Buscemi" in reference to the latter movie, and Buscemi played Mr. Pink in the former.
Again, from LSA, if Slug is Guru's good half, why did he try to freeze the whole planet, killing all its inhabitants and use the planet as a vessel while Guru, despite being a massive jerk tries to be helpful to the heroes? (even unlocking Krillin and Gohan's full potential, no matter how little potential there was to unlock?)
The original Namekian Slug and Guru split from must have been a real piece of work. Though I wouldn't say that Guru was trying to be helpful for the sake of being helpful- he probably just thought it was amusing, and may well have figured they'd all get killed by Freeza anyway. And letting himself die in order to kill the dragon and interrupt the wishing was fairly evil...
They probably don't know which one of them is the evil half so to save the effort of actually figuring it out, they both act evil.
Revealed in Episode 30. He caused a civil war that wiped out the albino Namekians, and drove his species to near-extinction, to cover up that he drank the planet's water supply. That's horrible...
How did Nail know Freeza passed by a little Namekian on his way to Guru's?
They were right in front of Guru's when they passed, so he probably saw it happen.
Even if they weren't right in front of there, Nail probably heard the exchange due to Namekians' super-hearing.
Not to mention that Nail knew that Dende was going to wherever the Dragon Balls were, and since Freeza came for technical support for the Dragon Balls, they'd have had to pass each other in order for them both to take the shortest, straight-line path.
Which raises another question. Can't the Namakians sense energy? At least the non-fighters can, like Guru for example. Why would Dende go the way Freeza was coming from? Did he have a death wish? We're talking about the kid who became the guardian of Earth and created Dragon Ball's. You would think he would have the ability to sense energy like Kami...
Gohan told Chi-Chi it was his fault that Piccolo sacrificed himself, so he wanted to go to Namek. Later, when Ginyu steals Gokus body, Gohan exclaims "you send me to space, and you aren't even you anymore!"., that is a head scratcher. Why does Gohan claim Goku was the fault of him going into space? That isn't a rage inducer, that's a childlike misinformation. Gohan wanted to avenge Piccolo sacrificing himself. Goku had nothing to do with Gohan traveling into space. His rage is unfounded and uncharacteristic.
He's unleashing pent up aggression toward his father, and he's only five. In his mind, the logic went like this.
Daddy got killed fighting Uncle, making Mister Piccolo take me away to train me for a year.
Daddy didn't get to the battle with the Sayians fast enough, so when the big burly guy tried to kill me, Piccolo had to step in.
Daddy got the crap beaten out of him, he was too injured, so I had to go.
Therefore, all of this is Daddy's fault.
Was Gohan's line, "you aren't even you any more!" referring to his dad's body switch or his personality shift due to brain damage?
The first one. In Gohan's rant, he mentions Goku losing his body right before the "you aren't even you anymore" line, whereas Gohan doesn't even mention Goku's brain damage in his rant.
Why does King Kai so worried about the Z-Fighters not being able to leave? Aside from the fact that he can kick their asses, the only reason they're there is for training purposes. They'd probably leave and go to another part of the afterlife if he threatened them hard enough. And yet he acts like he's stuck with them for all eternity.
His big plan had just (apparently) blown up in his face and he wasn't thinking things through.
He's also a lonely guy, as evidenced by his reaction after Goku's departure; he's torn between his loathing for these doofuses from Earth, and his desire to have someone other than Bubbles, Gregory, and Bojack to talk to.
If Guru is Lord Slug's evil half, why didn't he die when Lord Slug died?
His movie is so non-canon, it hurts.
Yeah, the movies take place in their own universe (see also: Talking Movie Bubbles). In the movie-verse, Guru probably did die with Slug.
It could be that Guru is so skilled in Namakian mystic arts that he could cleanly separate himself from Slug unlike Kami who arrived on the planet as an infant and thus wouldn't may not have all the knowledge the Namakians had. This would be especially true in the abridged series where Guru is a dick who killed half his species and hold book burnings and withhold information for the sheer fun of it. Hell, he could have been the one to send Kami to Earth in the first place for all we know. It's not like he had time in either series to state it. (I could be wrong and it could be stated some where). Besides, the split could have occurred before the calamity that befell Namek. Look at the people, they're all farmers. Where did that inter-galatic space ship technology go? Probably lost to the ages seeing as how no one is smart even to leave Namek or even send a single Dragon Ball out into space when Freeza starts slaughtering everyone.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but at the end of the season two finale, the letters PLTLH popped up. what do they mean?
It is Klingon (and in this universe, Namekian) for "finished!"
I'm sorry but episode 30 let a big plot hole If Guru died as a dick move, how the hell did he gets resurrected along the other Namekians. He wasn't killed by Freeza's men or, in the manga at least, didn't die of grief by Freeza's actions. Please, connect the dots for me. I want to know.
His resurrection was just a coincidence, his heart simply started up again because his dick move only temporarily killed him.
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If the wish to revive everyone who was killed by Freeza and his men included Nappa... why didn't it include Yamcha?
Probably because Yamcha was killed by the Saibamen. And if Nappa doesn't count s one of Freeza's men working under Vegeta than the Saibamen probably don't count either.
A better question would be why it didn't include Krillin.
That wish was from the Earth Dragon Balls, which can only revive you once. Krillin had already died and been brought back once. As to the Saibamen, why wouldn't they count? Working for Vegeta means they're working for Freeza too.
During his conversation with Vegeta, Nappa explicitly points out that technically, he was working for Vegeta when he killed people, so no one he killed was brought back. If Abridged Canon accepts that logic for Nappa, there's no reason the same would not hold true for the Saibamen.
The only Saibamen that was killed by one of Freeza's men was Vegeta jr.
Why did Tien wait until the Lady Gaga parody had already started before telling him he wasn't going to do it? Why not when they were setting it up?
He probably said over and over that he wouldn't do it but they (whoever "they" are) assumed he would do it anyway once the cameras were rolling.
He even says as much: "You talked. I said no."
Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but as far as I recall the wish to bring back everyone killed by Freeza or his men didn't have a time limit, which is how Nappa came back despite being killed by Vegeta about a year earlier. If that's the case, wouldn't that mean every sentient being Freeza or his minions have ever killed across Freeza's entire lifespan was revived? Including the entire Saiyan race?
Some, possibly. Given that the wish works ostensibly under the principle that a person revived returns to life at the place where they died (a fact the series brought up regarding reviving Goku after Namek, then immediately forgot as soon as they started reviving everyone else), then some, such as the Saiyans, may have popped back into existence at the place they died, ie. in the middle of space where a planet should be, only to die again almost immediately after resurrecting.
Actually, I do seem to recall that there was a time limit of one year when resurrecting someone with the Dragon Balls, though that may just be fanon or my sketchy memory. If so, Nappa was only killed about a month or two before the wish was made (again, sketchy memory, but I believe the trip to Namek took about a month, and the events on Namek only took about a week or two), so he'd be well within that time limit. However, that should mean that the minions Freeza killed as distractions should've been revived as well, and subsequently moved to Earth as per Dende's last wish, but since we don't hear from them again, they probably just died again when Namek exploded.
Freeza only killed a couple of his minions. It's possible that they were revived and moved to Earth, but being just two mooks who were killed by their boss, resurrected and teleported by unknown circumstances, and are now on a new world with no idea where they are or what they're doing, they probably just faded into the background rather than cause trouble.
So in Lord Slug, Chi-Chi made dragon soup out of Icarus. Yet he's completely fine in Revenge of Cooler until Goku eats him again. Yeah, it was a minor joke, but what gives?
Lord Slug is presumably non-canon, like its unabridged counterpart. What confuses me more is that Icarus is introduced in "the christmas tree of might", which even the characters in the movie point out is non-canonical, but Icarus is still around in "revenge of cooler", which seems to be canon, AND takes place after Goku tells Gohan that Vegeta was the one who killed Icarus.
None of the movies are canon.
Not in the regular DBZ, but given all the references to Cooler throughout the abridged series, it may be different in the abridged series.
There are also references to Broly and Bojack. The Abridged series does a decent job foreshadowing the films, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the films take place at a point in continuity that does not actually exist. Cooler's Revenge takes place at a point in time after Goku killed Freeza, but before Goku returned to Earth in full control of his SSJ transformation, while also requiring Goku to be on Earth at the time. It also has to take place prior to Trunks killing King Cold, which happened immediately before Goku's return to Earth, because Cooler's only seeking revenge for his brother, not his father. On top of all that, it blatantly contradicts established canon: Freeza transforms down, not up. We're explicitly told that the base form for Freeza's race is the Final Form; the transformations are intended to nerf them and help control their powers. Thus, the existence of a FINAL Final Form that Cooler has directly contradicts that fact. There can't be another transformation beyond the Final Form, because Freeza Transformations don't work that way. This may be different in the Abridged series, but the timing isn't.
Cooler the character may be canon, but the events of the movie probably aren't.
Why is Cooler trying to kill Goku? In the canon series his reason was that even though he hated Freeza he anybody that killed someone from his family still needed to die, but here he doesn't even seem to care and isn't even angry at Goku for it.
Good question. I guess maybe Cooler wanted to prove that he was better than his moronic brother by killing Goku. He had no real grudge against the guy. Just a "I'm better at everything, including killing you." so he went with it.
Basically this. He wasn't really doing anything, just chilling on one of his planets when word of Freeza's demise came in. It probably just seemed like a good way to kill some time.
Again, he's a prick. The fucks he gives. It's just an excuse to him. Plus, he's evil and doesn't want a Saiyan running around that can kill him. Furthermore, he may have wanted to see his brother's killer than mock Freeza further by killing him which would add insult to injury since he's a prick. Plus, he was looking for a fight and wanted to prove that he was "cooler" than his brother and that he wasn't like his selfish, whiny brother. If it was before Kind Cool is killed, then it would also be to cement himself as his brother's better and give him control of the galaxy thus proving his worth through action and not mindless blather his brother relied on. Then he realizes as he dies that he is just like his brother. That his just as selfish and childish as him, but he concluses that he is indeed "cooler" which comes from him being a prick.
This (slightly modified) quote from Die Hard fits "There's a difference, you know, between not liking one's brother and not caring when some dumb Sayian Monkey drops a spirit bomb on him."
Okay, guys. Episode of Bardock. Why are all the proto-Saiyans named after rappers? And why do they all sound like Kermit The Frog? I've never watched any non-abridged Dragon Ball, so I'm not sure if there's something in it that they're making fun of, or if TFS are just going through a Widget Series phase.
Just the whole Rule of Funny thing. Same reason that the Namekians speak Klingon.
From the same episode, what did Bardock say Chilled looks like? A giant purple and orange... something. Kinda hard to hear with his face buried in the ground.
Actually at a panel TFS said the joke was that they felt the entire premise of the original special was nonsense to begin with (Bardock's rant before going Super Saiyan makes that pretty clear too), so for the abridged version they just thought of the most random characteristics they could give to the proto-Saiyans and Chilled and ran with it.
Minor point, but they're actually called Plantians. Canonically, the Saiyans aren't from Planet Plant, they crashed on it and started living alongside the native Tuffles, a species of Human Aliens. It is unknown if the Tuffles are decended from the Plantians, or if they wiped out the Plantians, but we do know the Saiyans aren't related to either (while Bardock does impregnate one by kicking it, Chilled kills it shortly afterwards). And besides, that whole episode was All Just a Dream.
Why doesn't Freeza just go back to Namek post-mechanization, and post-revival of the planet? Who could there possibly be to stop him, especially if he goes with his dad? And isn't he stronger post-cybernetic revitalizing?
Well, it remains to be seen if the Abridged series will address this, but in the original, as far as Freeza knows, the planet Namek exploded and all the Namekians are dead. Why would he go back to the dead area of space where a planet used to be?
In the original series they just found another planet to live on with King Kai's help. So even if Freeza went to where Namek was there, it'd still be a freaking asteroid field.
Besides, you all forgot the reason Freeza went to Earth: revenge. He probably wasn't thinking so much of obtaining immortality as making Goku suffer.
Also, as a cyborg Freeza may be effectively immortal anyway.
How come Goku wasn't wished to Earth with everyone else? In this version Goku had no knowledge of the wish and thus had no reason to make Dende let him stay to fight Freeza.
Because if Goku was wished to Earth too, then Freeza would be left alone on Namek. Dende had already shot himself in the foot with that by telling Freeza that the humans were from Earth, so that would be Freeza's next destination. If Freeza came to Earth, there is a risk it wouldn't even be a fight; he could just blow the planet up from orbit and kill everyone. As Goku was the only one who had any chance of defeating Freeza, and without defeating Freeza, everyone's dead anyways, Dende opted to leave him behind.
Simple; he didn't think too far ahead. All he wanted to do was screw over Freeza, he likely didn't think that Goku would have wanted to evacuate.
Is there actually a law against inheriting your own life insurance policy if you're brought back from the dead?
That was kinda the point. When you die, the money goes to your living relatives, not to you, since you're... well... dead. As far as they were concerned, Krillin:
Lied by saying he had a twin brother named Juan Sanchez.
Faked his own death.
Re-appeared again to collect his own life insurance money, presumably under his brother's name. That makes more sense to them than the "I went to space, got killed by a evil galactic warlord and was brought back to life by a dragon." story.
Even if you were allowed to collect an insurance policy against yourself because resurrection is a known quantity, Krillin still left the money to a non-existent person and faked being that person.
Life insurance is there to provide loved ones with compensation for loss of income and emotional anguish; if you're going to get better that doesn't apply, and the legal comparison most apt would be debilitating (but recoverable) injury (presumably, the hypothetical legal ruling would be to treat death as a life insurance qualifier until provable resurrection, which nullifies the life insurance and triggers retroactive disability insurance). And as he's sorta unemployed and disability insurance is typically calculated directly from income (if not provided directly by employers and/or workman's comp), that amounts to jack and squat. So, the legal issue is, in addition to the aforementioned fraud of identity, claiming of insurance for which he no longer qualifies.
Incidentally, it'd really be for the best if he helps establish the legal precedent for this now, before the planetary resurrection at the end of the Buu saga causes a mass bankruptcy of the life insurance industry.
Not sure exactly how that would work when the industry gets wiped out - and brought back - at the same time as everybody else on the planet.
So, Freeza hears so many heroic speeches dozens, sometimes hundreds of times, and somehow Vegeta's Super Saiyan speech is a Berserk Button for him after hearing it twice.
Freeza's mad at other things, "I'm just a little bit absolutely livid".
Also Freeze usually didn't hear the same one from the same person, word-for-word, multiple times.
Freeza asks where Gohan and Krillin are from and Little Gre-, I mean Dende, tells they're from Earth. Freeza didn't seem to know that yet. But an episode earlier, Nail said to Freeza that "The Earthlings have the password." Apart from the fact that it's weird he knows where a planet with no real interstellar contact is by name, he couldn't guess Earthlings came from Earth?
Nappa had been talking on his communicator for over a year so at some point he would have spoken about Earth when he and Vegeta were going there so he could have knowledge (then again this is all coming from Nappa) of Earth. Other explanations: he wanted to mess around with them (which reveals the weak link of Dende) or he was so angry at the time he had forgotten that important piece of information. Former makes more sense.
Don't forget though, there are several planets named Freeza number whatever. The Saiyans come from planet Vegeta, which used to be called planet Plant. If Freeza hadn't been informed by Little Green, all he would have found is some place called Ee-arth. And who knows what the hell that little dirt ball is good for?
Think of it like this, during the first war in Afghanastan (the Soviet one), we "fucked up the end game" but no providing them money to rebuild. The people who refused to send money said, "who cares about sending money for schools to Iraq" or something along those lines to which Charlie Wilson responded with, "Afghanastan" and he got blank looks from it. To Freeza, Earth is just like some dirt-poor, hell hole Mid-Eastern space country that he doesn't give a crap about. The term "earthlings" went in one ear and out the other. When he was pissed off, THEN he cared enough to remember the name so that he could look it up, find it, and wipe it out out of frustration. Yeah, he didn't even think of it as keeping for monetary value. That's how little he thought of it. Guess he didn't realize Earth was a mineral-rich planet.
Wouldn't Gohan be super powerful in his fight against Nappa and Vegeta? Think about what his training was. He got the crap kicked out of him on a daily basis. As everyone knows, Saiyans become immensely more powerful everytime they almost die. So wouldn't Gohan be much stronger than he actually was if he was nearly killed that many times over and over?
In canon, the power-ups are kinda extremely random (see Goku nearly dying repeatedly only bringing him up to Ginyu's levels, then doing it one more time made him equal to a playing-around form four Freeza, or Vegeta going from Zarbon+ to stronger than Form 3 Freeza in one jump). In DBZA, well the power-ups only happen from recovering from near death experiences and Piccolo doesn't have any healing abilities or artifacts, so he'd have to smack Gohan around enough to hurt without endangering his life.
Also, just because he was beaten doesn't mean he was ever 'near death'. Even after being thrown face first into a mountain, he still managed to cry rather loudly and next scene was only lightly injured.
Okay, so in one part of episode 10, we see Nappa use a Pokeball on Chioutzu. Why then, did he not use one several episodes earlier on Arlia to capture the Rancor?
The Rancor's not a Pokemon.
Why is it that when Goku is told by Lord Slug that it isn't Christmas, he loses his fury and False Super Saiyan transformation? Sure it's not Christmas right now, but Christmas would still die if Slug wins. Because there wouldn't be much of a Christmas to celebrate if everyone is dead.
So we can all agree that the Jockstrap Incident involved a lot of people dying and being buried in dug up holes. Freeza implies that he needs to dig holes for all the deceased (Zarbon, Dodoria, The Ginyu Force). What doesn't make sense is why he needs to dig up holes if almost everyone exploded (Burter's neck was cracked and Frog!Ginyu was squashed under Vegeta's foot)
Before claiming that the deaths of Zarbon, Dodoria, and the Ginyu Force were like the Jockstrap Incident, Freeza states: "This has been one giant mess." It could be that the events were similar due to being such giant messes, rather than due to people dying.
Yes, but Freeza even asked Vegeta if he's any good at digging holes (besides the one he's in fighting him of course).
All Freeza knows is that they died, not the COD for each of them. When his guys killed someone there was a body.
I always assumed the hole(s) were to bury the eponymous jockstrap...
Maybe the holes were intended as a honorable burial to his men, and even if they were exploded, maybe he could find enough pieces of then to bury, with the super speed of the 4th form, it would take a minute tops to check the whole planet anyway.
The holes were possibly meant to be the heroes graves. Basically, Freeza was indirectly asking Vegeta to dig his own grave.
"Bring back all the people killed by Freeza and his men". If that happened, how come Yamcha and Krillin had to wait a while longer and weren't revived with everyone else?
In Krillin's case, it's because he's already been revived by the Earth Dragon Balls previously, and this wish was using the Earth Dragon Balls (this explanation also extends to Chiaotzu). In Yamcha's case, the explanation given at the end of episode 30 applies perfectly: He was killed by a Saibaman, who was working for Vegeta (or Nappa, whichever you prefer, it doesn't particularly matter), which technically doesn't qualify it as one of Freeza's men. This extends to Tien, who was killed by Nappa, who was working for Vegeta.
Actually, Tien sacrificed his remaining life energy in the "Ki-Ko-Ho" attack in an attempt to defeat Nappa, so he technically wasn't killed by the Saiyans. So that just leaves Yamcha, who was killed by what was essentially a mindless drone.
How did Nappa become a Hollywood producer with a CHILD PSYCHOLOGY Major?
The same way he did it in four months without any legal identity, experience living on the planet, or record of said major or earthen accreditation of the university that gave it, of course.
Still makes him more qualified than some producers.
And that, essentially, is the whole joke. He became a Hollywood producer despite being completely unqualified in every conceivable way, not to mention a Psychopathic Man Child, thus implying that (A) the job is so easy anyone could do it, and (B) he fits right in with all the other Hollywood producers.
Or it could be a personal Double Standard . He sees all women as subservient, but his daughter is special in his eyes. He sees the same genius that he sees in himself, or something to that effect?
"Bulma honey, go help your mother in the kitchen. The lab is for men." Now, what happens when you tell a teenaged girl NOT to do something? Also, given a father with that attitude, wouldn't it make sense that she tries to impress him so he will pay some attention to her?
Okay, this one's a bit out there, but, hold on... When Freeza was talking to Ginyu on the Space Skype, Zarbon came in and asked if he could use the phone. Now, Skype needs Broadband to work at all, and Freeza's ship does have other communication modules, so... Why would Zarbon ask if he could use the phone to call his girlfriend? Does Freeza have Space Dial-Up or something?
Actually Freeza's ship may not have other communication centers. Or at least, not ones that connect to Space Skype. Basically Zarbon is asking Freeza to quit hogging the computer.
So, why is Vegeta horrified by seeing Super Kami Guru get eaten if he's done the same thing to other aliens himself?
Probably horrified by the brutality of them eating him alive. Vegeta at least killed and cooked the other aliens first.
Okay, so this one didn't really bug me until Episode 33, but what's with Team Four Star's insistence on spelling it "Freeza?" The official English spelling is, in fact, Freeza. With an i.
DBZA is based mostly on the original Japanese Dragon Ball Z. So the joke is about the differences between the JPN and Eng. spellings.
Pointed out by Trunks himself.
Trunks: "You must be Fry-za."
Mecha-Freeza: "Actually, it's FREEZA."
Trunks: "Then why is there an 'i' in it?"
Mecha-Freeza: "There isn't."
I had assumed that it was in part to make it closer to "Freezer".
"Freezer" is only said by Goku in the abridged series, and in the fanbase it's a common mistake by most people who insist on the Japanese spelling but still manage to get it wrong. Making the Idiot Hero say it might be saying what Team Four Star thinks of people who say "Freezer". The official spelling in Japanese is actually "Freeza", which is why it's insisted upon in the abridged series. The abridged series tends to poke fun at all the things that the American dub changed, anyway. Also notice how the abridged series uses "Tenshinhan" and not "Tien Shinhan".
But they go with the English Dub names for everyone else. Kakarot instead of Kakarotto, Krillin instead of Kuririn, Jeice, Burter, Recoome, and Guldo instead of Jheese, Butta, Rikurimu and Gurd, and so on...
They don't like weaboos.
In the fight between Trunks and King Cold, King Cold offers to give him two and a half planets. How exactly can you have two and a half planets? Did he mean the third planet would be split between him and Trunks? Sorry if it were obvious.
He panicked at the last one, also it's kind of hard to concentrate when you have a warrior of legend standing before you with the intention of killing you.
And he was probably losing a lot of blood due to, y'know, the big gaping hole in his chest. It's a wonder he was even able to string two words together.
Answer is really obvious, actually: The same way the Russian Federation currently owns 1/10 of a planet and the United States owns 3/50 of a planet, etc. Divide up the land area.
Actually, given that this IS King Cold, I could seriously see him just slicing a planet in half and giving it to Trunks.
In episode 19, Jeice told Krillin that he was from Space Australia, or more specifically Space Brisbane. Go Space Broncos! And in episode 21, Jeice blurt out many Australian terms, which caused Krillin to blurt out, "We get it! You're from Space Australia!" But in episode 23, Krillin falsely said Jeice was from Space New Zealand. Did Krillin forget already that Jeice was from Space Australia?
I assume it's a joke about how people always get Space Aussies mixed up with Space Kiwis, and vice-versa.
Probably. Krillin is pretty dense. He didn't know Dende's name despite Dende repeatedly telling him, nor did he notice Team Three Star was getting people to threaten him.
So. What WOULD Hetap be anyway? Water? Canned coffee? Their version of Tab? Your thoughts?
My initial thought was just a generic branded soda.
My guess is a brand of beer, given the comments about it being a little early to be drinking.
Since Trunks mentions it separately from the beer and soda (he says "I've got soda, beer, and Hetap") I'm guessing it's neither of those. Probably a brand of fruit juice or non-carbonated fruit drink.
Why didn't Bulma notice that Vegeta wasn't wearing a condom?
Considering how intense their... "session" was, I doubt either of them were paying attention to anything else.
So, in canon Future Trunks's timeline, Goku instant transmissioned straight from his space pod to Earth to fight Freeza and Cold right away. When Future Trunks went back in time, Goku sensed the new, powerful being and decided to wait it out a bit. However, in the Abridged series, Goku's excuse for not teleporting in straight away is that he wanted to give everyone else a chance. Since nobody was killed by Freeza in Future Trunks's timeline, how did they all survive Freeza being on the planet for over three hours?
Presumably Vegeta went Super Saiyan a bit early via anger and frustration at his own inferiority to the third-class Kakarot.
Or Freeza simply chose not to kill them. Assuming the Power Levels are similar to what they were in traditional DBZ and taking into account the only thing we know about King Cold's Power is that instead of trying to transform FIRST attack SECOND a being who'd just taken Freeza's best shot and then killed him that his 2nd form is roughly on par with Freeza's final. If that's true all the Z Fighters combined were no threat. I can easily see Freeza strap on a Scouter look around casually and smirk before speaking.
Freeza: Oh lo lo lo lo look Daddy. Some rats are hiding on that r-r-r-r-r-ridge.
King Cold: Shall we head over and kill them?
Freeza: Not yet, I want them to still be warm when the monkey gets here.
Or Goku sensed that the Z Fighters were losing badly and decided to teleport in at the last minute.
Or the obvious answer stated in the question. Goku used Instant Transmission as soon as Frieza and King Kold landed. The only reason he didn't do that was he sensed Trunks and decided to wait and see what happened.
So when Goku said the Yardrats kept feeding him their sick, did he mean their sick people or their sick (as in vomit)?
The former. In the US, "sick" is only used as a noun to refer to people who are sick.
England too. However, "sick" is also American slang for vomit. Primarily used by children in most media. Goku is essentially played up as an eight-year old in a man's body, so, as disgusting as it is, he probably was referring to the latter.
No. "sick" is not slang for vomit in America. It was without that Goku was definitely referring to they were feeding him their sick (as in dying) people
Actually, "sick" is indeed used as slang for vomit in America. Generally by more genteel people who think words like "vomit" and "puke" are too vulgar. And if Chi Chi has a problem with Goku saying "butt", she might also have a problem with these.
Just so everyone knows: He's referring to their sick PEOPLE. As in, those who were dying and couldn't be saved.
How does Gohan know what MMOs are when his mother basically buries his head in books every waking moment of the day?
She doesn't literally keep him glued to books without any outside influence at all. That would just be stupid.
But this is the type of woman who would castrate a man for bringing her bad news - Oh, nevermind. Fine. Okay, how does Vegeta know about MMOs in spite of needing Nappa to explain the concept of a video game to him in the first installment of Two Saiyans Play? For that matter, how does Vegeta know about Warhammer 40000 judging by how he constantly chants the time honoured "DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA" when firing in general. Unless of course Warhammer's real in his universe and he's actually met the Orkz in the flesh...
Two Saiyans Play isn't canon with the regular series. Also, Warmammer 40,000 is also a table-top game and a HUGE series of books series. You don't need to play Dawn of War to know what Warhammer 40K is. Or it could be SPACE Warhammer 40K table-top games and that only Earth is really the only society went down the video game development line. It does seem Nappa intergrated with Earth society much faster than Vegeta did.
And now comes the true question. If there's SPACE Warhammer 40K, what's SPACE Warhammer Fantasy?
Possibly a Warhammer done in the style of Spelljammer.
Guy from the above here, I dunno if this was ever answered in the anime because I honestly haven't seen any unabridged Dragonball since I was 5 or so, but when they made that wish to bring back everyone Freeza and his men killed; why didn't the Saiyans come back to life?
The Dragonballs can't revive anyone who's been dead more than a year.
Wasn't that scar-faced chap, the pokemon and the triclops dead for something approaching that span of time? They brought them back with the Namekian balls, didn't they?
Nope. The trip to Namek took a few weeks, tops.
This question has been asked and answered twice on this page already. Look before you post.
Vegeta doesn't like his pink shirt. So why wear it? Tien shows up in an undershirt, so it's not like it was cold or anything.
Like a lot of things in the Abridged series, Rule of Funny. It could be that Vegeta actually really likes the pink shirt but is so homophobic and insecure about being manly that he acts like he hates it while wearing it anyway.
Bulma ruined his regular dry-clean-only Saiyan clothes and she gave him nothing else to wear. So he had the choice between "awkward pink shirt" and "awkwardly shirtless". YMMV which choice was the lesser of two evils.
And Vegeta being royalty might also explain it. He might consider being dressed gaudily less of a faux pas than being half naked.
So, when Yamcha asks him why he didn't use his teleportation powers to stop Freeza and his father, Goku replies that 'he wanted to give them a chance'. Fine, I buy that. Hell, given the source material, I expect this kind of impracticality. But, Goku explains his power works only if he can imagine where it is he wants to be, technically, he's never been on King Cold's ship and therefore doesn't know what to imagine. So, he can't teleport onto it even if he tried. Why not just use this excuse that no one can fault him for?
Goku's kind of spacey.
Two reasons, first Instant Transmission (at least in the standard canon) doesn't work like that. He has to be able to sense someone's energy which is why he's able to go to New Namek once King Kai points him in the right general direction. Even if he can't teleport to the ship however he could easily have teleported to say Kami House or the Look Out. Probably to Capsule Corps when Vegeta was still there. Ultimately other than because he wanted to let other people have a chance to fight there is no excuse either in abridged or in the canon for why he didn't show up. . .which leads to an interesting problem in DBZ.
The official explanation for mainstream DBZ is that Goku was about to zap down and thrash Freeza, but then he sensed Trunks was there and doing the work for him.
Well, I just brought it up because in this version, Goku seems to be unaware of that Freeza's dead by the time he reaches Earth (Guys, we don't have much time! Freeza's coming!), and certainly doesn't know that Trunks is on ground beforehand. When Yamcha asks about why he didn't kill Freeza sooner, I assumed he was referring to on the way, where this excuse I cooked up might have actually worked...
Nappa was brought back to life because he was killed by Vegeta, who, according to him, was still working for Freeza at the time. But Nappa and Vegeta went to Earth to gain immortality and overthrow Freeza. Wouldn't he not be working for Freeza anymore the moment he decided to go to Earth?
Officially, he would still be working for Freeza. Vegeta probably wouldn't announce his plans to overthrow Freeza until after he receives immortality. If Freeza knew about his plans in advance, he would put a stop to it immediately, or try and grab immortality for himself which is what he did when he found out about the Dragon Balls.
Why would Bulma tell Vegeta to get a job to help raise Trunks? Bulma is the daughter of one of the richest families in the world and is presumably a Capsule Corp executive herself, while Vegeta has no educational record or job history that Earth governments would recognize. His job prospects are slim, and Bulma doesn't need the money anyway.
Bulma probably doesn't want to support a deadbeat.
Or she doesn't want to continue living under her dad's roof. Besides, Vegeta's job prospects are GREAT. How many guys do YOU know that could personally replace a heavy industrial crane? If he's paid even half of what it costs to ship, operate, and maintain one of those things, he'd be living on easy street for something that's about as strenuous to him as carrying a few shoe boxes to you.
Vegeta is far from a dead beat as the above Troper mentions but that's beside the point. Bulma is heir to an empire and a genius in her own right. This isn't like some regular person having to work double time to support a lazy punk, this is Paris Hilton (Okay that's cruel, this is like the hypothetical daughter of Paris Hilton and Bill Gates) refusing to take in her baby daddy even though she owns an island she could loan him and then forget which one she put him on.
That may be true, but Vegeta only cares about locking himself in a room and training all day until his body just about breaks. Bulma thinks he ought to do something to contribute to the family that he a) volunteered to live in and b) whose daughter he's currently married to and whose child he's currently fathering. She doesn't want him to just run off and leave all the family stuff squarely on her shoulders. He's not a deadbeat guy who lounges on the couch all day, but he certainly isn't doing anything to support the family. I mean, the guy shot himself into space for a year after they had their spat about his contribution to the family.
As an above troper points out there is no evidence that Bulma needs any help at all financially. She's always presented as being incredibly rich. Forcing Vegeta to get a job is going to make him more likely not less to spend any time with her and their child. Best case scenario he actually goes to work and then comes back and trains, more likely he just leaves the planet for long periods of time. We aren't given any reason to believe that Vegeta has any truly marketable skills by comparison to Bulma. Without wanting to get overly political here in real life Bulma who can fairly be compared someone like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs makes more money per year than the majority of construction (since people have mentioned Vegeta's super strength would be good for that.) workers combined. She's making him work on principle not for any truly logical reason.
When Goku threw the Spirit Bomb, why didn't Freeza DOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDGGGGEEEEE!!!!!!?
In his own words? He completely forgot about it.
In the original series, which I assume counts as canon for the Abridged except when explicitly stated otherwise, it's implied that the Spirit Bomb is too big to dodge which is why Freeza tries to catch it. Yeah we've seen Freeza easily cover enough distance to dodge something that large but that's the implication.
A WMG in the canon version theorized that massive ki attacks have a gravitational pull to prevent targets from moving out of the way. Goku propelled himself with a Kamehameha to dodge Freeza's large energy blast, and used Instant Transmission to evade Cell's Kamehameha. Also Ki attacks a few times were to home in on their targets, so even if Freeza were to dodge, Goku can just redirect the Spirit Bomb onto him.
How is it that Yamcha can survive a hole in his chest caused by Doctor Gero, but Goku died from his chest wound back in episode 2?
Canon reason, the hole Piccolo drilled through Goku's chest probably hit a vital organ and Krillin was too late to heal him, whereas Yamcha probably didn't get hit anywhere too vital and got help right away. Abridged reason? Yamcha didn't have a hole in his esophagus.
Yamcha was able to go toe-to-toe with a Saibaman, and those are canonically exactly as strong as Radditz. Ergo, Yamcha at that time was stronger than Goku was during the fight with Radditz. Since then he has undoubtedly become even stronger than that. Not strong enough to challenge any of the other Z fighters (maybe not even Krillin) but definitely stronger. From this it can be inferred that Yamcha was (somehow) strong enough to survive the chest wound that Gero gave him.
He didn't go 'toe to toe' with the Saibaman, the Saibaman just latched onto him and blew up...
Two things: Word of God says Krillin is the strongest, full human and that Yamcha was stronger than the Saibaman, but he was careless. The only reason he lost to it is because he didn't dodge the self-destruct. Remember, Power Levels are bullshit which is why Freeza could have beaten Goku if he blew up Namek and that Cell could kill Gohan via a self-destruct. You don't have to be the strongest fighter to win. If that doens't convince you, Fat Buu is stronger than Kid Buu, but Kid Buu lacks the restraint of Fat Buu which is why he beats Fat Buu in a fight. Imagine the stronger warrior has a gun and doesn't use it while the weaker warrior has a knife and DOES use it. That gun is useless unless you use it.
Those aren't reasons why power levels are bullshit. Those are reasons why power levels aren't everything.
Also not to nitpick, but technically Kid Buu didn't fight the original Fat Buu before he expelled his evil, he fought the pure good "Mr. Buu", who lost a lot of his powers when he separated his evil to create Evil Buu. So Kid Buu was a lot stronger than the Good Buu he fought.
...Vegeta became a Super Saiyan by... whining about wanting to become a Super Saiyan? How?
In the original series, emotion played a HUGE part in going to Super Saiyan. Getting unbelievably angry could help someone go Super Saiyan.
Rule of Funny?
It's pretty much a Flandefrized version of what happened in the original show. In the original it was his rage at being surpassed by Goku and his own inferiority that prompted the Super Saiyan transformation.
If Future Bulma made the heart medicine specifically for Goku, why would she make it grape flavored?
Why would ANYONE make medicine grape flavored. To make it taste better. Besides Goku is a moron who thinks with his stomach and he may not take his medicine if it tasted terrible.
It's a joke about A) what an idiot Goku is for caring more about the flavor of the medicine than the fact that it will save his life, and B) pharmaceutical companies who continue making pills in flavors that people hate.
What would happen if a Saiyan was naturally blonde and turned into a Super Saiyan? Would his hair turn black?
There is no such thing as a naturally blond saiyan. All pure-blooded saiyans have black or dark brown hair. If a human-saiyan hybrid were hypothetically blond, then becoming a Super Saiyan would make their hair glow and turn spiky(ier). And their eyes would turn green.
Is it just me or did Yamcha's personality completely change with his voice actor? Before he was a hot-headed, arrogant, all-talk-no-bite kinda guy. Now he's more calm and reserved, and one of the few sane characters.
Two reasons. Either it's because of the voice actor changes. The arrogant, all-talk-no-bite version of him was voiced by Vegeta3986 and his new voice in episode 29 is by Faulerro. Or, it's because it's not a well written character. Honestly, most, if not all of Vegeta's characters are boring. I actually liked Yamcha more after he stopped voicing him.
You don't have to listen to rap to have heard the names. I know all those names and I've never listened to any of their music.
In episode 37, why did Gero decide to pick a fight with Piccolo while wanting to avoid conflict with the much weaker Tien or Krillin?
He doesn't know that Piccolo got a massive power boost from his fusion with Nail. Say it with me: SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE F*CK IS NAMEK!?
In the original series it's more a matter of risk to reward ratio. Tien and Krillin don't have enough energy to be worth attacking and he might get spotted. Gero on the other hand believed (incorrectly most likely) that draining Piccolo would put him over Vegeta who was his final percieved threat. (Though as the above says SERIOUSLY WHAT THE F*CK IS NAMEK!?)
Future Trunks raises a good point: if Bulma -and by extension Future Bulma- knew where Gero's lab was, why did she never tell him so he could just fly right there and take him out after dealing with Freeza?
Maybe the future Trunks is from is more different that originally thought. Trunks never dealt with Freeza via time travel, which avoided a Butterfly Effect. Gero doesn't make himself into an Android to fight on his own, 17/18 are activated and kill him in his lab, and the two terrorize the world with no visible explanation to the Z Fighters. Why Trunks time traveling determines Gero's status as an Android and anonymity, I have no idea.
Bulma knows where Gero's lab is, but Future Bulma never knew Gero was involved with the Androids, because she never saw him.
Calling bullshit. Trunks reveals that Dr. Gero is the madman behind the androids during his expositional onslaught in the source material. The only way Trunks could have known about Dr. Gero is if his mother had told him. Furthermore, this leaves open a bigger plothole: Why didn't Trunks just find Gero's lab himself and kill him/prevent him from creating the Androids/getting blueprints for an off-switch. Timeline 3 (Cell's timeline) Trunks at least brought back an off-switch to his future. Wtf, Hero.
That is not the only way or even the most likely way he could have found out about Dr. Gero. Gohan could have (and most likely did tell him) and in addition as much as the Androids despise Dr. Gero they are fairly chatty and 17 in particular has no problem boasting that he's Dr. Gero's greatest creation. Trunks didn't/wouldn't even if he'd known where to look, kill the Gero/unfinished Androids because it wouldn't do him any good. He doesn't really want to save our world, he wants to save his. And it's stated that changing things in this time won't retroactively fix his. In one timeline that is unseen Trunks does take the off switch and return home and use it. That's Cell's timeline. The one where Trunks had "dealt" with the androids via unknown means but clearly didn't get the ROSAT training because he's easily killed by Imperfect Cell. After training he's trouncing Semi-Perfect Cell. It's easier if you don't think of DBZ as time travel and instead alternate universes that happen to be years in the past and mostly identical.
DBZA should be assumed to be the same as DBZ unless it's specified to be different. Trunks doesn't actually time travel so much as slide into an alternate universe that closely resembles the past of his world. Killing our Androids doesn't destroy his retroactively. He doesn't come to the past to save the our heroes from the Androids, he comes back because Bulma's still hot on Goku after all those years and filled Trunks' head with the idea that if Goku had been alive he would have found a way to defeat the androids. That's what Trunks is actually after. Killing the Androids while they were sleeping wouldn't give him the knowledge he needed to defeat his androids which is what he was actually after.
Pretty much. Just like in the original, Trunks' plan is to now keep everyone alive for as long as possible until Goku gets better and come up with a plan to defeat the Androids.
I'm assuming TFS is making Krillin a loser(probably a virgin too) who has rotten luck. Problem with that is he gets married to an attractive blonde and has a kid with her later on. Wouldn't that ruin the whole "Krillin is useless" gag if that is what they are going for?
They'll probably figure out a way to make it work. Have faith in them.
Wouldn't Krillin retiring from fighting entirely, becoming clearly subservient to a glorified toaster who leaves him with the baby so she can go off on adventures (Bio Broly) ruin the concept that Krillin is useless? Seriously the only impressive thing he has left to do in the entire series is successfully not being killed by Cell despite fighting him one on one. He's hardly even a factor in the Buu Saga which will get in the way of the running gag of Krillin being useless.
The "Krillin Owned Counter" is getting less and less use in recent episodes, probably because Krillin is, canonically, the strongest full human (but is surrounded by aliens with superhuman strength and/or abilities) and he gets owned less and less as the series progresses. According to Word of God, the only reason they chose Krillin and why it isn't the "Yamcha Owned Counter" is that Krillin gets more screentime.
Having a hot girlfriend/wife does not make you any more, or any less of a wimp. Neither does being a virgin. (not entirely sure why Krillins sex life is relevant here...) So, in the end, why should their joke necessarily conform to general sitcom-esque stereotypes? Besides, as said above, Krillin gets less and less screen time towords the end.
His sex life is relevant because he couldn't score a girl in the early years. TFS makes him off as a loser who gets sh*t on by women. Heck, Maron screwed him over in this version and the anime. In the cell saga, he finally meets a girl who cares about him. That is what the troper is saying.
Goku seems smarter in the abridged version of Dead Zone and World Strongest. In the series, he has the same IQ as Homer Simpson. What gives?
The original two movies were written way before the series began and, both technically and practically, are not Team Four Star material. The only writer from TFS involved in the writing was Lanipator, and his input in the scripts wasn't as extensive as it is in the series (of which he writes with Kaiser Neko and Takahata101). Thus, while the movies share a writer and a few actors, they are not considered (by the team) to be part of the series. This is why you'll see a vastly different characterization for both Gohan and Goku, and varying differences with the rest of the cast. It's also why they do not call their latest movie release, Dead Zone, a remake of the original; though it does contain a single reference with a minor character.
I like the part where Nappa stupidly left his scouter on while they were talking about the dragon balls. This begs the question....did the saiyans know Frieza was listening in on their conversations in the manga? If you're planning to double cross your boss, wouldn't it be a good idea to turn off the transmitter part before discussing it with your partner?
You're thinking Nappa would be smart enough to actually turn his scouter off. The guy is just that stupid. Vegeta was smart enough to turn his off just in case, but Nappa? He would've thought it was a good idea to paint "Going to double cross Frieza, ha ha ha" on the back of his space pod.
In the original it's not entirely clear who knew what when. Those always on scouters are odd because Frieza clearly didn't know anything about the Dragonballs on Earth which is why Vegeta and Nappa were allowed to go unchallenged instead of Frieza showing up himself like he did when he learned about the balls on Namek. Frieza at least in the Anime seemed to have suspected all along that Vegeta might turn on him someday but considering that Vegeta quite possibly would have lost to his first form (Vegeta was getting destroyed by Frieza's second form) Frieza just found it amusing. DBZA Frieza certainly seems the type to keep Vegeta around just so he could take a twice monthly bath in his tears.
When Mr. Popo is training Tien, Yamcha, Krillin and Chiaotzu, Yajirobe is with the group, yet when they're sent to an 'unsafe' place, why didn't Yajirobe go with them, given how brutal Popo is? Is Yaji smart enough to Know Whento Fold Em, or did he go through his own harsh training, given that he's unable to use ki like the rest?
Yajirobe helps Korin grow the senzu beans. Popo may be evil incarnate, but it pays to not piss off the neighbors, particularly when not pissing off the neighbors gets you access to magic beans (that can probably be used to get high in some fashion, given how much of a druggie Popo is).
Why did Gero design 16 with a more advanced speech synthesizer than 19? The strength difference is simple, a product of the differences between infinite energy models and energy absorbing models and Gero's mistaken assumption that the tactical advantage of absorbing would more than make up for the power disparity, but why use such realistically primitive tech for 19's voice when compared to the monotone-due-to-AI-crudeness-but-otherwise-voiced-like-a-human 16?
He was more or less like this in canon too. Probably 19 was an experiment and Gero put less effort into him because it was just an experiment in energy absorbing robots to test it before he made one for himself.
Or maybe 19 was still in beta, and he'd get all the bells and whistles like a better voice once it was in a more final stage.
This isn't a complaint because it actually really added to how creepy the scene was but I do wonder why Cell was singing "Mr. Sandman" of all things when he was introduced. Is there some connection or reference I'm missing?
How does Krillin(and DBZ fans) know that Nameks don't have penises? When was this stated?? Wasn't it confirmed by Akira Toriyama that they do? I think he mentioned that Piccolo can impregnate a human girl if he wanted to.
It's because the Nameks are a asexual species who all looked male and reproduced by spitting eggs (like the Yoshis). Also, in a previous episode (Episode 8, I guess) Nappa mentions that Namekians don't have penises, which is why Krillin knows why those guys are fake.