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Headscratchers / Disney Fairies

  • There are several pieces of art on Lizzie's wall that are clearly beyond her skill as an artist. Where'd those come from?
    • Books, maybe.
    • There are actually professional artists who draw fairies. I have several books that have some really good flower fairy art from when I was younger but the artist had put a lot of thought into each drawing. She could have gotten some of fictional fairy books as a gift or something.
  • In Fairy Dust & The Quest For The Egg, Captain Hook cannot see the fairies because he is an adult. (According to Gail Carson Levine adults cannot see fairies.) Whut? A major plot point in Disney's continuity depended on adults being able to see fairies - it was Tinker Bell who betrayed the location of Peter Pan's hideout to Captain Hook, and he obviously had no trouble seeing her.
    • Neverland is a magical island, therefore, it has it's own logic. The broken egg had something to do with it, maybe? After all, without the egg, Neverland's magic is failing in certain places. One could be the fact that adults can't see fairies.
  • In Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure, when Tink doesn't get her daily ration of dust, she's stuck with walking. In Tinker Bell and the Great Fairy Rescue, not only is she still able to fly after a day without her ration, she has enough to spare to let Lizzie fly.
    • Possible Fridge Brilliance? Isn't it said/implied at the end of Lost Treasure that this is one of the largest amounts of pixie dust to be made at one time? "Over a million smidges IIRC". Maybe because there's a little extra, the fairies going to the mainland get extra pixie dust since they're going to be leaving Pixie Hollow.
  • Why is the art in this so.. good compared to other CGI productions, especially for this demographic? Did someone dig up the Peter Pan artbooks or something? There's none of the typical major facial deformity utilized in everything else done in CG since ReBoot (Tangled aside, maybe it's a Disney thing?)
    • John Lasseter is the exec producer of all the Disney Fairies stuff. That tells you everything you need to know.
  • What is the explanation for the ice fairies being at Tink's birthing ceremony? Did they just not think of that plot point yet?
    • Considering Tink, Bobble, and Clank fly over the Winter section of the Hollow before Tink is ever shown where the Tinker Fairies live, no, they had not thought of it yet. They have no problem other than getting a little chilled, and the overseer of Winter is allowed to go to Pixie Hollow without repercussions, even though she's in the spring area most of the time where we see her. This should have been bad for her, since she's so adept and presumably reliant on the cold. It's also possible that sometimes fairies get sent to the wrong places in the Hollow, so fairies with Winter talents attend the birthing ceremony just in case of such an event.
  • Why can't they fly with wet wings? The dust that they use has lifted things much heavier than them before, some added moisture shouldn't effect it that much.
    • Maybe it's not about weight, but about aerodynamics. Like the way airplanes have trouble flying with ice on their wings because it messes up the shape of the surface and therefore the airflow.
    • Not to mention that maybe they're simply harder to move when they're wet, which makes it almost impossible to fly.
    • A lot of the "no flying when wet" and "you can't fly with damaged wings" (like Midori the Frost Fairy King guy, who lost a wing and is now basically crippled) stuff doesn't make sense when you consider humans, cats and inanimate objects flying just fine with no wings or even any sort of aerodynamics. Considering that "no flying when wet" and "but humans can" appear as plot points in the same movie, perhaps they have no real explanation for this and we're just supposed to accept it.
    • Their wings are always shown wilted whenever they get wet, so it's possible weight really is an issue- because fairies and sparrowmen spend their lives covered in fairy dust, but they still have weight (meaning pixie dust simply enables something to defy gravity, not remove its weight). My guess would be that they're too heavy to use without strain to the wing muscles, but the dust stops them from being too heavy to walk with. They can still try, as Vidia does in Fairy Rescue, but it seemed to take a lot of effort and energy. Another option is there's something about how the wings (or simply fairies) are structured that renders it impossible for the dust to stick and thus disables their flight ability, or else renders the dust inert but just on their wings (as they can still use their talents when wet). A third option is that it's their bodies' natural defence mechanism against the rain- a single water droplet took Vidia out when she was trying to tell the others Tink was fairynapped, but the way she went down made it look like it was the force and weight of the water, not that she was hit with water (which is odd, as she's supposed to be around six inches tall). Fourth, it could be that water causes their wings to be too soft to fly and stay airborne with, similar to how it works for a winter fairy to get too warm, but there's no actual damage risk like with wings getting too warm or too cold.
  • If humans who are much larger than fairies and have no wings can fly if they have pixie dust, and fairies' wings are basically useless since they can't fly without pixie dust, why can't Rani fly?
    • Humans are more used to walking and running and generally getting around on two feet, so they can push off of things with less difficulty (they're more floating than flying). Rani might not have the strength to push herself around. Or nobody even thought of that. It could have to do with the fact that Rani is made from a laugh, and humans, well, aren't. Or maybe Neverland's messing with physics, and Rani can't, and doesn't necessarily want to leave, and she would be able to fly on the mainland.
    • Wingless things and individuals float, fairies fly? I mean, in the movies, there's a difference between how the fairies move, and how humans (and Peter) move in the air- fairies have a lot more options for what they can do- speed, sudden direction changes, etc. It might fall under the same principles of why fairies can't just use pixie dust like a human if their wings get wet- fairies cannot float, they can only fly with their wings. If something happens to their wings, and they can't fly, that's the end. They either fly, or they're on foot. There is no controlled floating for fairies.
  • Assuming every human baby laughs at least once, the fairy birth rate would match the human birth rate. Which would, if the movies take place sometime around the 1950's, be roughly one fairy per second. All (or at least three quarters) concentrated at the Fairy Dust Tree? Something's not adding up...
    • It does seem like the laughs have a bit of a journey to get to Neverland. It is possible a great deal of them get lost, destroyed or are otherwise unable to make the trip. Which is why everyone gets so excited when they do arrive, like 'Hey look, one of them made it.'. The fact that they are probably split fairly evenly between winter fairies and warm fairies (summer fairies?) probably helps.
    • The book Fairy Dust and The Quest For The Egg directly states that while every baby's first laugh turns into a fairy, most of them are "Mainland fairies," i.e. they live in other parts of the world. (Types of Mainland fairies mentions are Great or Lesser Wanded fairies, Spell-casting fairies and Shimmering fairies.) Only occasionally does a laugh find its way to Neverland and become a "Never fairy," and this is rare enough that the arrival/birth of every new Never fairy is considered a big event.
  • In The Pirate Fairy, the main group steal back the blue dust. Then Hook sees them and threatens to throw Zarina into the ocean, trapped inside a lantern, unless they return it to him. The main group does this (without really even seeming to think that much about it, but that's beside the point), and...Zarina gets thrown into the ocean anyway. And the main group saves her. So why didn't they just let him throw her in in the first place?
    • Would you allow your friend to be thrown into the ocean while locked in a box?
    • Well, if I could save her...Granted, it's not the nicest or most selfless thing they would've done, but if they had managed to save her while still keeping the dust, I think she would have understood, and been grateful, anyway.
      • ...Put simply, if you look at it in hindsight, Hook may as well have said, "If you don't give me the dust, I'll throw her into the ocean. If you do give me the dust, I'll throw her into the ocean anyway," and he still would've been speaking truthfully. It poses kind of a problem when you look at it like that.
  • While we're at it, when the main group are chasing Zarina, Vidia says "Whoa, she's moving fast." Kinda ironic coming from a fairy who can fly faster then the speed of sound. Why doesn't Vid just catch Zarina? Then, she could tell the other five to head back and bring the blue dust back herself no problems.
    • Zarina was probably using purple fast-flying dust for a quick getaway. Since her alchemized pixie dust not only changed talents but also seemed to enhance them, this made her faster than Vidia.
  • In Secret of the Wings, how does a single ice-grater made by tinker fairies lodging itself against an ice flow somehow create a giant blizzard that ends up throwing the seasons out of balance?
    • Possibly because in the Winter Woods (or at least the border of it), has an endless amount of ice. The more ice is rubbed against the machine, the more snow is created. It would get out of hand and therefore, create an Endless Winter.
  • Does anyone else feel that these movies could be seen as teaching...somewhat ambiguous messages to kids? For example, at least two or three of them have the main character(s) do something that's frowned upon and/or downright against the rules. This ends up making a big mess, which the character(s) has/have to fix, and in the end, they're basically commended or rewarded for doing nothing more than cleaning up messes they made themselves. Tink wants to go to the mainland, is told she can't, tries anyway, makes a mess of springtime, fixes it, and gets to go to the mainland. Fawn begins looking after a creature that's thought of as dangerous to the other fairies, is told she can't, tries anyway, causes a huge misunderstanding, fixes it, and everyone in the end admits that they were wrong and she was right. Tink tries to spend time with her sister by crossing the border to be with her, is told she can't tries anyway, wash, rinse, and repeat. And don't even get me started on Zarina. Turns against the fairies just because they wouldn't let her conduct all of her dangerous dust experiments, steals the blue dust, while knowing that the fairies' lifestyle will be jeopardized without it, allows the pirates to get their hands on it, only switches back to the good side after she'd been betrayed by them, and gets accepted back into Pixie Hollow in the end without even so much as a scolding, if I remember correctly. Does anyone see what I mean here?
    • Characters fixing the messes they cause has also been a frequent theme in other recent Disney animated movies such as Wreck-It Ralph and Frozen. The key here is that they take responsibility for their mistakes. I believe it is to show kids that no one is perfect and that they will sometimes make poor choices. When this happens, the best thing to do is apologize and make amends. The idea of redemption and second chances is reassuring for everyone, especially young children.
    • Except Elsa didn't do anything on purpose that set an endless winter upon her kingdom. She was just fearful and upset, and she isn't really rewarded, anyway, so much as the people begin to accept and not fear her. And while your point about Ralph deserves some credit, he still didn't end up getting what he wanted in the first place, and the Nicelanders had a lesson to learn, too, so it wasn't entirely his fault. Here in these movies, the only blame that can be pinned on the other fairies is, perhaps, not thinking outside the box enough and accepting different ways of doing things, and most of the time, this doesn't even stem from maliciousness - they just do it that way because it's how it's always been done or because it helps to keep people safe.
    • I personally don’t see anything wrong with themes that encourage kids to think outside the proverbial box and explore their creativity. History is filled with examples of people who came up with great inventions and changed unjust laws by challenging the status quo.In Zarina’s case, fixing her mistake earned her forgiveness. When she was rewarded at the end, it was because the other fairies had come to appreciate her talent. This paralleled what happened with Tinker Bell in earlier movies. Her inventions, which were initially frowned upon, actually helped improve Pixie Hollow. Since Zarina has only appeared in Pirate Fairy, the potential contributions she’ll make with Pixie Dust Alchemy were mostly just hinted at, although they have been explored in fanfics. As you pointed out, Zarina is an interesting case since, unlike these other examples, her “mistake” was a serious crime with malicious intent. This does bring up several thought-provoking questions, which any concerned parents ought to discuss with their kids: Even though Zarina eventually saw the error of her ways, apologized, and fixed her mistake, was that enough? Should she still have been punished? If so, in what way? How do you think the story would have turned out if the pirates hadn’t betrayed her? In real world terms, do you think repentant criminals should be given second chances and rewarded for their achievements? How might Zarina have better handled the situation when she was fired as a dust-keeper instead of running away and joining a “bad crowd?” This is just a sampling of what could be discussed. It shows why it is important that parents not just passively watch movies with their kids, but talk about them afterwards.
    • While we’re on this topic, what about Tinker Bell in the original Peter Pan? Schemes to have Wendy murdered in a fit of jealousy, is furious when her plan is foiled, and gleefully admits what she attempted without a hint of remorse. Later she is tricked by Captain Hook into revealing Peter Pan's hiding place. And Tink has been a major Disney icon even well before they softened her up for these movies. Perhaps fairies in Never Land are just Easily Forgiven.
      • It is implied in the sequel that Tink's somewhat undergone character development since the events of the first movie, still doing things here and there to torment Jane but never going as far as killing her, and even allowing a grown-up Wendy a brief lift into the air...though, the Disney Fairies films do seem to take place before the first movie, as well, so...
  • If spring-animal fairies wake the animals up and winter-animal fairies by logic take them to sleep, then what do summer and autumn fairies do with them?
    • The autumn fairies could help them store food and prepare for the winter months. Not sure about the summer ones, though...Maybe just supervise them? Check up on them? Make sure no one slept late?
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