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Headscratchers: Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
  • Why does Woods resent Hudson for the events that happened in "Suffer With Me"? It's obvious that he was doing it all to protect David, he even says so immediately after Menendez captures them all. It's true that they were never on particularly good terms from the first game, but he even helped rescue Woods when Menendez captured him in the first mission, so it seems particularly odd for him to blame Hudson as much as he blames himself.
    • Woods, in case you couldn't tell, is very unstable. The resentment is very irrational; that's the whole point.

  • "We don't target civilians", says Frank Woods. Assuming he's only discussing black operations (otherwise the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki put that to rest straight away), Woods is an experienced clandestine operator with Vietnam combat experience, yet we're expected to believe he's never heard of the Phoenix Program, the black op designed to assassinate the Viet Cong's civilian support structure? Or other black ops like Operation Condor or Gladio? Or for that matter, the mission in the first game where he snuck into a civilian rocket launch facility, killed the scientists, and blew up a rocket with the cosmonauts inside?
    • Why would he have heard of these things? Does the phrase 'black ops' mean nothing to you? If Woods was not involved in those operations, he shouldn't have heard anything about them. It'd violate operational security. Also, the atomic bombings did not specifically target civilians. They fell under the concept of total war. In total war, everyone is involved.
      • He can read a newspaper, can't he? Operation Phoenix isn't exactly secret anymore, nor are some of the United States' other misadventures. And anyway, it's the absolute naivete of Woods when he says this. Black ops are black ops because they're highly unethical and they have no rules. Why would he think targeting civilians are out of bounds? As I mentioned, he did it in the first game.
      • I highly doubt covert ops were declassified in the middle of the Cold War. Woods said that bit in the 80's, and I don't remember shooting at any civilians in Black Ops 1. Also, black ops are not 'black ops' because they are unethical. They are 'black ops' because no one is supposed to know you were ever there ('you' being the country). Some operations are unethical; some aren't.
    • "We don't target civilians" is not some be-all, end-all doctrine that is adhered to with absolute religious devotion. It's a general policy that Woods would prefer to follow but which he knows that isn't followed.

  • Why does Mullah Rahmaan think the United States is "the true enemy", exactly? CIA officers and government officials were enthusiastic supporters of the mujihadeen, considering them stalwart allies against the "threat" of worldwide atheism. The US generally did everything it could to cultivate radical Islam by pumping millions upon millions of (taxpayer) dollars into far-right Islamic governments whilst also ostracizing Iran, whom the predominantly Sunni and Pashto-led Taliban loathed. In fact, the reason the Afghan War happened is because Osama bin Laden didn't think Muslims were taking the "threat" the United States posed seriouslynote , which caused a lot of friction between him and the Taliban, who were actively trying to do business with the US. So why would Rahmaan, right when he's getting everything he could ever want on a silver platter from a friendly, religiously-motivated superpower that's also deeply in bed with Saudi Arabia, think they were "the true enemy" when there's an atheist superpower knocking down his front door? "An" enemy, perhaps, but the true enemy? As opposed to the communists trying their damnedest to make sure there are no more mullahs in the Middle East?
    • It's made pretty clear that the Mujahideen were bought off by Menendez, who was probably able to ply them with anti-American rhetoric.
      • I get that. I just don't get why he feels that way, considering everything the United States is doing for him. Hell, even bin Laden thanked the US for Operation Cyclone, and look how much of a far-right anti-American asshole he turned out to be. The situation in the game is like Italian fascists convincing the French resistance that England and the United States were going to screw them over, so they should ally themselves with Italy instead. It's just bizarre, and doubly so since Treyarch clearly did the research, for instance by showing the MSSnote  as being involved with the CIA. The whole thing just reeks of Politically Correct History.
      • It's probably not the most satisfying answer, but given how Menendez seems to dump equally on the Americans and Chinese in "Fallen Angel", as well as some of the stuff he says in the "Rightful King" story, it seems as though be believes that all foreign intervention is equally evil, and convinced Rahmaan that the US ultimately were no different than the Russians and would eventually try to take advantage of them. He was probably hypothesising based on his own experiences in Nicaragua, in which both the Contras and the Sandinistas screwed their people over in some way or another. His charisma and/or piles of drug money presumably did the rest
      • Minor note: there is nothing wrong with taking aid from those you hate if they are stupid enough to give it to you. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend, just a temporary ally. Also the people fighting the Soviets in the 80's weren't exactly a solidified group. Many went right back to fighting each other as soon as the Soviets left. The ones you see in the game have their own opinion of America. Another group could easily have a different one, if they have one at all.
      • Exactly; Rahmaan was only in charge of that particular cell, and since there's so many, it's easy to imagine the CIA simply taking their business elsewhere once they realised it had been compromised by Menendez.

  • Kravchenko reveals that there's a mole inside the CIA, and Jason Hudson starts to get agitated. Sure enough, it's later revealed he's the traitor. But in "Suffer With Me", the man in question claims he's only doing it to save David's life, which wasn't in jeopardy three years previously. Was he the mole all along and trying to save face? If so, why did he turn? Or was there another mole who blackmailed him right before Operation Just Cause? If so, why did he act the way he did during the interrogation? It'd be nice if there were intel files to explain things like these....
    • I don't understand why everyone on this wiki keeps saying Hudson was a mole— it was screamingly obvious that he was loyal up to the very end, and that the reason why "Suffer With Me" turned out the way it was is because Menendez's men (presumably the real moles) kidnapped him in the middle of the operation and forced him to give bogus orders so that Menendez wouldn't kill David. As for his reaction to Kravchenko, I didn't see anything incriminating about it— Kravchenko said something that sounded outrageous, and Hudson simply responded appropriately.
    • Hudson may have been reacting to the fact that Mason was partially brainwashed and the implication that other good agents might have been similarly brainwashed by Menendez's goons.

  • What happened to Cordis Die at the end? Did their followers all just give up?
    • Without Menendez and DeFalco to direct them, they likely fell apart. It was a cult of personality built around him, and him being outed as a terrorist and either imprisoned or committing suicide would be a hammerblow to an organization that is literally built entirely around him.
    • Depends which "end" are we talking about, doesn't it? Remember, it is possible that their resolve is galvanized to the point they burn the White House.
    • This is mentioned at the start of "Celerium." Essentially, Cordis Die doesn't know Menendez is a terrorist, by and large. He's just a faceless leader referred to as "Odysseus." If Menendez is captured and publically tried as the terrorist he is, then Cordis Die will pretty much fall apart once everyone realizes their leader is a lunatic. If he's killed, he's a martyr.

  • In the ending where David and Woods visit the grave of his father Alex Mason why does he leave his M1911 pistol at the foot of the grave? It's a nice symbolic gesture but that's still a lethal weapon in a public area. Even assuming he removed the firing pin that kind of thing can always be replaced by an expert.
    • There's no real explanation to this. All it was done for was the heartwarming factor.
    • He didn't load it/pulled the pin out?
    • If someone is skilled enough to replace the pin, they're probably already armed to begin with, and likely a legal gunsmith who would turn the weapon over to the authorities.
    • Let's not forget that this is just a game.
  • In his webcast near the end of "Judgment Day", Menendez says "Los Angeles was the flagship of their absurd materialism, so I destroyed it." Wait, what about New York?
    • What about it? Los Angeles is, generally speaking, the dominant beacon of Western materialism. NYC has historical cultural import and is the site of the New York Stock Exchange and an economic center, but LA is far more dominant as the center of American materialistic culture.
    • It's also because the G8 meeting happened to be there as well.
    • Actually, dialogue from Harper suggests that New York was attacked too. And Washington DC. And the Pentagon.

  • I feel like I've missed something fairly significant, but if the US military is actively trying to kill General Zhao - and skirmishing with his forces fairly often - why does he allow Section and Section's allies to escape at the end of that one level? Have I missed an in-game explanation somewhere?
    • Zhao says that they're both fighting against Cordis Die when you meet his team, so it's ostensibly an "enemy of my enemy" thing. Also keep in mind that Zhao is working with Menendez (this is revealed if you recover all the intel in the optional mission objectives) and Menendez wants Section alive as a witness to his revenge, so he would reasonably leave specific orders to spare Section if possible.

  • Shouldn't section be a bit old for all the military work he did? He must have been at least 10 years old in "Suffer with me" in 1989, So 35 years later he should be in his mid to late 40s. However, he looks pretty young in cutscenes, his hair not even starting to grey. Why isn't he aging much? If there are anti-aging pills or something in 2025, why does Farid look older?
    • A fit 40-year-old man can look a lot younger than he really is with good genetics and exercise.
    • Also, Farid is under a significant amount of stress as a key player in Cordis Die and an undercover asset.

  • Why would the US Navy, a mere nine years after the end of President Obama's second term, name a huge ship after him? Generally speaking, Presidents aren't honoured this way this fast.
    • It is just a game. Besides, they showed Patreus as Secretary of Defense even though he had an extramarital affair and resigned just before the game was released. You never know; Obama might actually do something amazing enough to get himself a ship.
    • The US Navy has done exactly that on multiple occasions. This page has a list of several commissioned ships bearing the names of living Presidents shortly after their terms. The USS Ronald Reagan was christened 13 years after his term, and the George HW Bush only 14.
    • Though I'll admit I don't get why the ship is named after Obama, even for meta reasons, I'm outright mystified as to why the ship's hull number is CV-8. Its most obvious on the level when you're on the carrier. The door you open to talk to Menendez has the number listed practically at eye level.

  • Alright, I'll be the one to say it: What the hell happened to Weaver? Woods comes back. Kravchenko comes back. Reznov (maybe) comes back. May I remind you all that these three were thought to be DEAD. Weaver was alive and well (minus an eye), and he vanishes. What happened? Did the whole of Treyarch just forget?
    • It's been suggested that he may have been killed or captured during Operation Charybdis, an operation the CIA came up with to eliminate Mason, Hudson and Weaver. However, the operation likely either failed or was canned as Mason and Hudson are obviously still alive (and Hudson is still working for the CIA) by the events of 2. So what happened? No one knows. Maybe he alone was eliminated, maybe he retired from or quit the CIA, maybe he took a job in the private sector. Treyarch probably just didn't feel he was important to the story and he became a victim of Chuck Cunningham Syndrome.
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