In "Independence Day" Green Arrow asks Speedy if he is ready to see the inner sanctum and Speedy replies: "Born that way." Since he truly is cloned to join the League. The exchange repeats in "The Usual Suspects," just to drive the point home.
On a similar note: The end of "Infiltrator", when Artemis tells Red Arrow to "Step into the light."
Superboy's purpose is to replace Superman if he perishes or if he turns from The LIGHT. Nothing wrong with that right?. Until you realize the villain's group name is The Light. Then you remember that there is a mole on the team...FallenLegend.
A lot of people come down hard on Superman for his treatment of Superboy, but think about it, how would you feel if someone cloned you? You'd probably be really really freaked out about it and might not have anything to do with them. It's easy for the rest of the League (and the fandom) to judge him because it's not their clone, no one stole their essence for the express purpose of either replacing them or destroying them, whichever proves most convenient first. His reaction is completely human and serves ground him as a human character rather than an alien like the Martian Manhunter.
Additionally, more than one person has compared it to finding out that you have a child who was conceived by rape without your knowledge. It may not be the kid who bothers you so much as the method by which they came into existence, mainly the violation of you. It's not a perfect comparison, but it has merits. - Katsuhagi
Agreed, the whole thing plays out like a male rape victim finding out his attacker became pregnant by him and then shafting him for child support. Nothing about the situation (For the parent or the child) is fair, and yet he's constantly being preached to that he needs to "take responsibility" when he actually isn't responsible for anything.
The Superboy as a Child by Rape works even better once is revealed that Superboy was created with half of Lex Luthor's DNA. Basically someone who hated Superman took something very important from him and gave life to a child of both
Or just the fact that there's been a kid dropped in his lap, period. Compare Superman and Superboy to Batman and Robin: in most versions, Bruce Wayne watches in horror as Dick Grayson's parents die, and takes Dick in because he identifies with him, because he remembers what it was like to be a kid whose parents had just been murdered before your very eyes. It was his choice, and something he could afford to do because he's a) filthy rich and b) he has a butler to cook, clean, babysit, and do whatever else needs to be done. On the other hand, Clark Kent is a middle-class newspaper reporter. He probably lives alone, is extremely busy with both journalism and the Justice League, and doesn't have a spare college fund lying around. He isn't trying to be cruel—he rationalizes his avoidance of Superboy to Batman as him not wanting to prop himself up as something Superboy has to aspire to—but he's in both shock at being cloned (how? why?) and denial of having any responsibility because he didn't expect "Bring Your Sidekick To Work Day" to end with the said sidekicks finding a clone of him. A clone that only took about 4 months to reach teenagerhood. By the end of the season, they could have an entire army of Superman clones—it's a lot for one person to deal with, and adding things like "Did he eat right?" and "Did he finish his homework?" is just too much even for the Man of Steel to deal with all at once.
In other words, Superman's reaction to Superboy is a calmer and quieter version of Goliath's reaction to Thailog.
Also, what finally gets Superman to open up to Superboy? He holds the mind-controlled Superman while Robin exposes then both to Kryptonite long enough to knock them out. By showing in no uncertain terms that yes, Conner is willing to go all the way to do the right thing, he undeniably proves to Superman that he is a real hero, and not a weapon.
Keep in mind that the other person who has a biological claim to Superboy is Lex Luthor. And even without that knowledge, they know that Superboy was cloned without Superman's consent, leaving more villainous people to sway him to their side. Better that Superman try to establish a positive relationship with Superboy than cause any reason for him to join the villains out of resentment and bitterness. It was, after all, the close bonds and deep trust between the team which kept Superboy from truly defecting when Luthor approached him.
An argument which would hold up had such an idealistic character not been exposed to a complex and even dark situation. It's one thing to have a character stand up for truth and justice, fight crime and end wars- situations where there is a clear-cut right answer; quite another for that character to have to deal with finding out they have a teenage clone/son, where any option is a grey area, and the "absolute good option" is jarring even for him at best, shocking and emotionally straining at worst.
I guess my point is that the fact that we've gotten used to Superman always being the Big Good is why everyone was so mad at him for shunning Superboy.
Though this could also be a rather nice way of foreshadowing a certain Prime Example of Superboy.
In "Schooled" Clark tries to explain his avoidance of Superboy by saying that he "is just a constant reminder of what he is not", Bruce calls Bullshit. and then later in "Disordered" Conner says That the only thing he ever wanted was to be like Superman... Ouch
Miss Martian's "Hello Megan" was really grating for a lot of fans. Until you realize that this and her other mannerisms are very similar to how children of immigrants try very hard to fit in. All she knows about Earth culture is from watching TV. By showing off her powers, the gadgets and the headquarters, she really wants to be liked by the others. Notice how freaked out she was when the others yelled at her for using her telepathy (something that she always use to do at home) and how later she abides by those rules so she could fit in more.
The episode "Image" confirms this and then some. Her entire 'Megan' persona, including her physical appearance, is explicitly modeled after the main character of the in-universe sitcom "Hello Megan". And the real reason she's so desperate to fit in? She absolutely terrified of how people would react to her true form, a White Martian.
In "Terrors," Superboy actually bites back at her when she tells the Belle Reve psychologist about his daddy issues, yelling that he doesn't live in a fantasy world where everything can be solved in half an hour. Given the events of "Image," one realizes why that statement seemed to hurt her so much.
It was surprising to see that Batman was the firm yet fair, supportive father figure to the team, while Superman is more aloof and distant. However Batman has more experience dealing with kids like Robin compared to Superman.
And presumably since Robin is Dick Grayson, the first Robin, this is a universe where Jason Todd hasn't been Robin, and by extension hasn't died, so Batman has yet to lose one of his "kids" like he has in the comics continuity.- Katsuhagi
Actually, Jason was the second Robin and he is now dead. But as far as we can tell, Batman is still the better father figure.
And by dead, you of course me brutally revived and is now a homicidal Anti-Villain.
In the episode "Infiltrator", the reason Wally had to go to school but Robin didn't was because in an earlier episode ("Schooled"), Young Justice fought the final battle against Amazo in Robin's school. The school is being rebuilt!
In Episode 5, when Bruce Wayne invites Clark Kent for dessert, the two of them are briefly heard giving orders in a "blink and you'll miss it" moment. So what do the two order for their respective deserts? Clark Kent orders apple pie and Batman orders devils food cake. That's right—the American big blue boy scout ordered apple pie, a food associated with being wholesome and American, and the Dark-friggin-Knight ordered a dark dessert nicknamed for a dark lord of the underworld. - KingZeal
It also speaks to their backgrounds, Clark is a farmboy, pie would be a common dessert around the Kent household, Bruce is a billionaire playboy and Devil's Food cake is often unbelievably rich.
In Episode 8, Robin gets angry and jealous that Batman privately lectured Aqualad on the team's failure in the fight against Clayface. Why would that bug him so much, considering it was Aqualad's job as team leader to take responsibility for what happened? Because Robin is used to having Batman's full attention as his sidekick for four years and on top of that, he was adopted and obviously is afraid of losing his adoptive parent's attention! - Pickled Plums
It becomes a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming when Batman realizes this and spends some quality time playing some basketball with Robin to assure him that nobody will ever replace him.
Artemis' real first name is Artemis, which seems like it would make it really easy for enemies to find her. But then I realized that this probably hides her identity better than most heroes' aliases because most villains probably wouldn't think to look for someone who has the same code name and secret identity!
Actually, she's better protected than that. Odds are, no one outside of the Justice League, her team, and the people she knows personally has any idea who she is. Unlike Robin, Wally, Roy, or Kaldur, she's not a "known" sidekick. And since the whole point of the team is to perform jobs that require a lower profile than the JL, they're hardly going to advertise her existence. This is illustrated in-series during Red Arrow's interrogation of Cheshire in "Targets", when she slips and nearly calls "Art—chery Girl" by her real name. Since Artemis' real name is also her hero handle, there's no reason for Cheshire to hide that she knows that name...unless Artemis' code name isn't public knowledge.
In the episode with Dr. Fate, Kid Flash explains away his hidden tower with some technobabble to explain the invisible tower. Unseen behind them, Klarion calls out Abra Kadabra for using the exact same technobabble to perform the illusion. This one off joke actually explains why Wally is calling out the tricks: He's fought Abra Kadabra before and the same tricks.
You remember that, in "Denial," Kaldur's the one to explain about Wally's issues with magic? It's because Kaldur practices magic and has already tried to convince him! -jenicaaladima
In Downtime it's revealed that Kaldur chose to go to the surface instead of focusing on his magic studies. It's easy to think Kaldur could have had cool water powers if he'd just stayed in Poseidonis, except that, if you think about it, everything he could have learned would have been superfluous. Yes the Atlanteans had cool moves, like summoning giant octopi or tempests, but pretty much ALL of them involved using a huge amount of water, something that Kaldur wouldn't usually have on the surface. Yeah, Kaldur's water weapons aren't as cool or as elegant as what some of the other Atlanteas can do, but they're pretty much the most efficient way to use water manipulation powers on the surface.
Not to mention that Tula, Garth, and Mera seem to specialize in higher level water manipulation, fighting at a distance. While Kaldur lacks their skill in magic, he is a far better physical fighter and doesn't shy away from either long or short range combat. On land, Atlantean sorcerers would likely be at a massive disadvantage without huge supplies of existing water.
In "Denial" there is a moment where Wally and Artemis are transported to Kent by his cane. When Wally sees them, he calls out the name of the person he recognizes on reflex. Afterward, the cane summons Kent to it. The cane might not have done that by itself. Wally was holding the equivalent of a magic wand and said the words Abra Kadabra.
She always wondered why Megan and Conner didn't start school at the same time as Wally, what with the three of them being/appearing high school-age, until she saw the scene in "Targets" where Martian Manhunter tells Superboy he needs a civilian name while attending school. Naturally, the League needed to create official government files for the civilian identities of an alien superhero and a clone—one can't just shove a kid in school without proper documents in hand! Kudos to the writers for really thinking this out (especially in the world of ratings, writers tend to skip steps to move the plot forward).
Of course, it could just be as simple as the writers acknowledging that schools in different parts of the country (or even different parts of the same state) often have different start dates. Happy Harbor is in Rhode Island, while this iteration of Central City (where this Wally West lives, although he goes to Keystone High) is in Missouri.
On a different subject, this means that Wally is from "The Show-Me" state.
In most continuities the name for Clark Kent/Kal El's costumed identity, "Superman" is thought up by his future love interest Lois Lane. M'Gann, being his future love interest is the one who comes up with Superboy's civilian first name "Connor".
According to Greg Weisman, Roy is 18 years old, meaning that, in the United States, he's considered an adult in the eyes of the law. He can't drink yet, but he can enlist for military service or sign a contract without anyone else's permission. Which makes his frustration at the League's "When you're older" refrain a lot more sympathetic. However, Weisman also reveals that Batman himself is only 32. Doing the math, Batman is only fourteen years older than Red Arrow (and, incidentally, 19 years older than 13-year-old Robin). The reason Roy is so pissed off is that the leader of the Justice League is young enough to be his older brother, and yet they keep insisting a legal adult they've fought beside for three years isn't even ready to see beyond the library of their dummy headquarters.
It gets better! Black Canary, one of the Team's instructors, is 24 years old. That's only six years older than Roy.
Let's all hope Roy never finds out about Captain Marvel, the Leaguer who is eight years younger.
It looks like no one at all in either the League or The Team knows that captain Marvel is really a 10-year-old boy, which makes sense in a way. A kid with as much power and Captain Marvel would likely never be allowed on either team, and possibly taken into custody away from his uncle and legal guardian.
And just to twist the knife in a little more, piecing together various Word of God statements shows that Roy may have actually been hero-ing longer than Billy has.
Well, it looks like the team knows now. It hasn't come up in an episode yet, but it will be interesting to see if their interactions with Billy/Marvel have changed at all.
And now all the adults know, and Wonder Woman isn't too happy he didn't tell everyone he was 10. But given that she's all about truth, it's understandable.
Ultimate irony, Roy is technically younger than Billy.
As of 'Homefront' it is confirmed that Cheshire is Artemis' sister...now her interactions with Sportsmaster in 'Targets' has a whole new light shed on it. He's her father...no wonder she wasn't exactly thrilled about being busted out of jail by him and having to work with him. He probably wasn't happy he had to rescue his daughter who walked out on their family. It especially makes sense when one considers their dialogue... "Ugh...it just had to be you." "Beggars can't be choosers, LITTLE GIRL." Nice way of subtly dropping hints.
Calling your council of behind-the-scenes masterminds "the Light" is basically the same as calling them "The Illuminati".
Robin's non-reaction to founding out Artemis goes to his school and her lying about in "Homefront" then finding out there might be a mole on the team in "Alpha Male". He doesn't accuse Artemis of being the mole because she is going to his school in Gotham and she was introduced by Green Arrow and his mentor, Batman. Batman obviously knows her cover story is a lie, because he probably was the one who made it up, and is likely using Artemis as a deep cover ace in the hole for some reason Robin hasn't figured out yet. As far as Robin's concerned, she's the least likely to be the mole.
It is revealed in "Secret's" that Robin already knew who her parents were and knew that Green Arrow being Artemis's uncle was a lie. It may have to do with him never questioning Batman's judgement.
It may also be because he feels sympathy for her.
In "Failsafe" Wally says that the weapons of the Aliens are not Disintegrators but Teleporters. Later it is revealed that they are actually disintegrators. So why would Wally think they are teleporters? Well if one stops to consider how teleporters work in the first place...
There's also the possibility that, since it's an unwinnable simulation that is programmed to thwart the player at every turn, they may have been teleporters at that point in the simulation, but when that would give them a way to win (namely saving the captive heroes), it changed it to disintegrators.
Robin did say at one point that the alien lasers worked much like zeta beams, which are teleporters.
In "Failsafe", this troper was bothered by how Wally borrowed M'gann's catchphrase, "Hello Wally!" Then after seeing the end, I understood why. M'gann rewired everyone's brains to believe the simulation was real. Why couldn't that have also rewired them to think like she would?
If you spend enough time around someone, chances are you'll start picking up some of their habits. We've already seen various members of the team use Robin's words, Kaldur pulled a ninja-act in "Downtime", and Robin practically admitted to Zatanna that Wally's flirting has influenced his flirting. Wally probably just picked up Megan's catchphrase.
A thought just occurred to me after I started watching "Salvage". When the Zeta-shield activates, there is no sound. But in "Failsafe", I recall that there was sound when the "Justice League" is killed. They were in space. Sound in space was an indicator that it was not real!
T.O. Morrow and Reds Tornado, Torpedo, and Volcano are all voiced by Jeff Bennett. At first, it would seem like this is a way to cut down on voice actors, but since Morrow is their creator, it's only logical for the male Reds to have the same voice as their "father".
After sacrificing himself in "Failsafe", Kaldur reveals in "Disordered" that he doesn't think he's fit to be leader anymore after "acting like a soldier". In reality, he likely saved everyone. Kaldur pushed Martian Manhunter through the zeta tube when the alien ships were coming, saving the Justice League member but abandoning his own chances for survival. It's later revealed that the entire invasion was an elaborate training simulation, but it went horribly wrong when Miss Martian's subconscious hijacked the exercise after Artemis' death. This meant that when team members "died" in the simulation, they entered a coma in reality and were in danger of dying for real. Martian Manhunter entered the simulation to wake M'gann up so they could all escape, but he forgot why he was there due to M'gann's telepathic power. In short: the Martian Manhunter was the only one who could save the entire team from going into comas or (in M'gann's case) possibly being stuck in that awful simulation hell forever. If he had been zapped and gone into a coma, the whole team would have been lost. And Kaldur saved him. Granted, there's no way he could have known that at the time, but it's still awesome nevertheless.
In the beginning of "Usual Suspects", we see Bernell Jones hugging his daughter, Cissie King Jones goodnight in her room and calling her "Baby Girl". At the end of the episode, it's revealed that Sportsmaster is Artemis's father. He's in her room and calls her "baby girl", while convincing to join The Light. Probably used to see how one father-daughter relationship is different from the other.
The screw up over Artemis' eye color in promotional material makes a lot of sense in light of the fact that Greg Weisman is colorblind. It's entirely possible that he just didn't catch it since he couldn't see it, since he needs help with coloring choices.
A lot of people go on about how subdued The Joker was in his appearance on the show and thought he wasn't enough of a Large Ham. Then you remember he outright admits to 'juggling his multiple personalities.' He can switch between his personalities at will and chose a more subdued, team friendly one on purpose.
"WONDER BOY! YOU ARE MINE!" "RETROBUTIONABLE! (That last one might not be a word. So sue me.)" Seemed pretty hammy to me.
Count Vertigo playing the Diplomatic Impunity card for openly staging world-wide terrorism is pretty jarring, except with Vlatava recently losing its king and its current child queen being sick, there was too much going on for Vlatava to try him under their own laws.
"Coldhearted" takes place roughly four days after the events of "Misplaced". Doesn't seem like anything right? Wrong. During "Misplaced" Queen Perdita spends a day away from her doctors meaning her condition worsened. So the Light planned not just a distraction in "Misplaced", but softened up their target for the events of "Coldhearted".
That is brilliant
"Insecurity" reveals that Artemis' mother Paula used to be the criminal known as Huntress. That was the original alias of Paula's counterpart in the main DCU until the Batman supporting character Huntress was introduced, so her alias was retconned to Tigress. The show uses the original name because it relates to Artemis, being named after the archer goddess of the hunt. But if the writers had used the name Tigress, it would then relate to Jade, Paula's other daughter who uses her own cat motif as Cheshire.
In "Usual Suspects," how Aqualad is unfazed at M'gann's reveal of her true form. Kaldur grew up in Atlantis, and if what we saw in "Downtime" is any indication, he's used to seeing weird stuff like that. Hell, he's friends with Topo of all people, and he has an octopus for a head. Not to mention the tie-in comics show that non-humanoid Atlanteans are constantly discriminated and persecuted by the Purists, so Kaldur understands what M'gann was going through.
Again, in "Usual Suspects", Superboy reveals that he's been using special patches called "shields" to suppress his human DNA and give him his full range of Kryptonian powers. However, each time he does it he's gotten angrier and angrier. In a previous episode, "Agendas", Superboy's clone, Match is basically an uncontrollable berzerker due to an inability to perfectly replicate Kryptonian DNA. So what's the brilliant part about it all? Superboy's temper throughout the series has always been suspect, with a habit of raging out of control. While this is partial due to the events around him, his own biology may make him more susceptible to these sorts of rages. Thus his habit of flying off the handle may not be a personality trait, but rather a biological/chemical imbalance beyond his control. So Superboy might be Super Bi-Polar.
In "Usual Suspects", Cheshire chooses to fight Artemis. One would think it was because it was her job to do so at the time. However, remember the fact that Cheshire and Artemis are sister, the former being the older. Plus, Cheshire was fightning alongside a group of baddies that wouldn't mind letting Artemis die in the avalanche or hold back. In a subtle Fridge Heartwarming moment, Cheshire took on Artemis because she wouldn't have tried her best, because she loves her little sister and would never hurt her or let someone else hurt her.
In "Targets," Sportsmaster revealed to Aqualad that there was a mole on his team. Who was he teaming up with at that moment?
It attains a second level when you consider that he had received intel from the mole that same episode. We were given the only evidence of the true mole-at the same time as being told of the mole. Which also explains why it was fresh on Sportsmaster's mind., way to think ahead.
A minor one in "Targets", after Sportsmaster says 'Broken Arrow', Red Arrow's eyes get wide and we cut to Miss Martian and Superboy in school. This appeared to be a strange place for a scene change (at least from this troper's point of view), particularly because "more like broken arrow" is not a very dramatic or interesting line. Then, when we cut back to Red Arrow, he lets out a sigh and then Sportsmaster attacks him. The cuts were there to disguise Red Arrow's shut down, which the widening eyes and the sigh were both symptoms of.
In "Humanity", the first three Red androids created by T. O. Morrow are created to infiltrate the superheroes and bring them down from within. All three end up overcoming their programming and saving the world. Guess what the other hero with "Red" in his name ends up doing?
Red Arrow spent the second half of the season suspecting Superboy of being programed by Cadmus to be the mole. In "Auld Acquaintance" it turns out that Red Arrow was the one programed by Cadmus to be the mole.
Remember The Light's plan for Robin, Aqualad and Kid Flash from Independence Day? Clone them and send in the clones as replacements? I always thought that they came up with it a little too fast, that they couldn't know if the personalities would clone as well. Well, thanks to Auld Acquaintances, we know that they didn't worry about that because they had already done it successfully with Roy.
Remember how Poison Ivy had commented on the Joker's ability to control various plant-monsters in various locations at the same time? It's very likely due to his chaotic mind. Look at what Klarion does in "Auld Acquaintance" with the Justice League. He simultaneously controls each of them doing different actions in different locations. And what is Klarion? A Lord of Chaos. The Injustice League was not just the proxies for The Light. They were also testing out the control-system which would later be directly used by Klarion.
Also note how the Injustice League had combined Ivy's plants with Wotan's magic, Ultra-Humanite's science, and Atomic Skull's energy. What did the Light do with the Starro sample? They combined its biology with sorcery (magic) and nanotechnology (science).
How did Superboy stay conscience longer than Superman when exposed to kryptonite? He's only half kryptonian and thus is less affected by the radiation than a full kryptonian would have been!
After the Time Skip, while the Team has gone through some radical changes in roster, the Justice League seems to have changed very little, with only three new members. But remember what happened the last time they made a recruiting drive? They're being cautious to ensure that the Red Arrow incident doesn't happen again.
Five actually, Rocket, the newest, is number 26. They were at 21 last time. A one a year ratio.
Not quite, since it's stated that Nightwing, Miss Martian & Superboy have open invitations to join the League if they want to.
Prior to season two starting, people were wondering why Miss Martian changed her appearance. Now watch the second episode of season two. Beast Boy's mother was killed prior to the start of season two, so it's likely she changed her appearance so that he wouldn't see his mother every time he looked at her.
Why are Nightwing, Superboy, and Miss Martian still on The Team and not members of the league yet? The League is sticking with the image of adult heroes, Miss Martian is only 1.25 years older maturity wise given Martian to Human age ratios. Superboy doesn't age, he's 16 forever. That just leaves Nightwing, and give he's Nightwing, he might want to be technically separated from Batman when it comes to chain of command. As the youngest member of The Team at it's creation, he might feel like the odd one out with the League as well. Those three are holding onto their childhood, just a bit longer.
Alternately: Nightwing was destined to lead this team, the team was Miss Martian's home for her entire stay on Earth, and Superboy spent his whole life on it.
It is stated that Nightwing, Superboy, and Miss Martian are staying behind to train, lead, and coach the freshman. Plus Miss Martian's boyfriend is on the team, and this is the only family or home Superboy has ever known. I do not find that at all strange but I do wonder about Mal Duncan
Mal's with the team since his girlfriend Bumblebee is a member and he wants to support her.
Compare the Crock sisters in "Salvage": Both end up giving something to their lovers something important to them on Valentine's Day: Artemis gives Wally his favorite food: Everything. Jade gives the one thing that he's been desperately searching for besides Speedy I: A reason to get his act together; in the form of his and Jade's baby daughter, Lian Nguyen-Harper.
A clone programmed by Cadmus. Has anger management issues. A military style hair. Wear red as a part of his super hero suit. Blue eyes. Has some initial problems with authority or respect, but grows out of it. Has two "brother", one older than him and one younger than him. His lover has some sort of connection with the color green. Now, am I talking about Connor Kent/Superboy or Roy Harper II/Speedy II/Red Arrow?
Superboy's issues with not aging make a little more sense when you realize he looks just like a young Superman. Part of what's bothering him is that he's never going to get to look like a full-grown Superman.
Bart Allen's Future Slang comes from witnessing the events of his Bad Future and his experiences with Neutron.
Especially the part where he talks about "Off Mode" and "On Mode" which is what the Reach use to talk about the setting of Jaime's Scarab.
The first six members of the Team (Nightwing, Aqualad, Artemis, Kid Flash, Miss Martian, and Superboy) each deal with the fear they had from season one, now in season two:
Nightwing fears becomes THE Batman, who will do anything to complete a mission. Including faking the death of one of his closest friends (who's also his best friend's girlfriend), and even let another close friend look like the traitor so that the plan can work.
Aqualad becomes the leader who gets his team killed. As a Reverse Mole, he must pretend to be the intimidating, fearful to others type of leader, to let other fall for his ruse.
Artemis is now The Mole on the bad guy's side after faking her death. Now she must lie to the friends she sees as her family.
Kid Flash isn't a hero anymore. Now, he has deal with his girlfriend of five years being in constant danger and he can't do or say anything.
Miss Martian becomes a monster her friends fear. She has no problem ripping intel from the minds of the bad guys, her reason being because they are the bad guys.
Superboy now must be THE Superman while the real one, along with other Justice Leaguers are facing their trial in space
Fans have noted that Nightwing was performing incorrect CPR on a seemingly dead Artemis. However, performing correct CPR on a perfectly healthy person could potentially harm him/her, cluing in that Artemis wasn't actually dead.
This makes even more sense if you consider that M'gann and Superboy probably have next to no human medical knowledge. Nightwing using CPR on someone with a stab wound probably would have seemed weird were he doing it in the company of another hero, but with M'gann and Superboy it makes perfect sense. Also note that the only other person on the squad was La'gaan. The only two people with average surface human biology there were Nightwing and Artemis themselves.
Additionally, the other people who witnessed the supposed death were Black Manta's men, who are composed of rogue Atlanteans/humans who've long since been mutated to have fish attributes. It's unlikely that they've ever needed to use/see proper CPR.
Additionally, Nightwing couldn't use a bandage because it would have drawn attention to how Artemis wasn't really bleeding. He could hide a squib of fake blood, but not the LITRE it requires for someone to pass out, let alone die.
During the timeskip, finding out Aqualad had a Face-Heel Turn always struck me as strange. People lose their loved ones all time, especially those who take up public safety positions. I thought it strange he wouldn't be prepared for that since after all he would have to have accepted that conclusion for himself as well, especially considering how much of a stoic that person is. Then we find out Aqualad knows the villain Black Manta is his father and it makes a tad more sense but now it makes even less sense altogether. That was the clue. Even if Aqualad did suffer a Despair Event Horizon over Tula's death, going over the edge certainly wouldn't help anybody including him. That's how I knew he was a Fake Defector. - g3m1n1
I had always wondered about why he had such weak reasons to defect too. The other clue that had me thinking was, if he really did defect and want to kill everyone of them, then why tell Nightwing about the bomb's location and how long will it take before it will explode? - Aenthin
Adding to this there's Wally's concern over Artemis when she goes undercover with Aqualad. Now, worrying about a loved one in a potentially dangerous situation is perfectly normal, but Wally's makes a great deal more sense considering the death of Tula. Whilst Aqualad has been revealed as no longer having had a Face-Heel Turn, and being a Fake Defector instead, her death obviously did take it's toll on him. Wally's not just worried about losing Artemis on the possibility of it occurring, he's worried because he's seen it happen before, to one of his closest friends.
When the mind-controlled Justice League went into space, they sent the exact same lineup as the original leaguers in Justice League Unlimited except the Flash. So why wasn't the Flash included from the mission? Because Wally isn't a member. - Aenthin
The parallels between that and the Justice Lords provides another explanation: there was no Flash in the Justice Lords universe; his death was what caused them to go rogue.
Word of God says it was because he wanted Barry on Earth when Impulse arrived.
In Bloodlines, Bart accidentally reveals that Barry and Iris are having twins. However the ending of the episode shows Bart was putting on a mask with his cheerful, happy-go-lucky personality where he comes from a Bad Future and Barry was dead from his encounter with Neutron. Bart's "slip" was letting Barry know that if he doesn't make it out of the fight with Neutron alive, he was leaving behind a pregnant wife and not one but two children growing up without their father. He did this on purpose so that this knowledge would keep Barry from taking a fatal risk.
According to Word of God, The justice league existence was kept secret at first and before the league was formed super hero team ups were rare. It seemed pretty weird but then I realized that they were trying to prevent the mistakes that the justice society committed which caused the society to disband. Which makes more sense because wonder woman was a member of the justice society and that's why the super heroes operated the way they did in Earth 16.
[[spoiler: Why did Vandal Savage agree to help Black Manta when his son's mind was broken by Miss Martian, but not be at all understanding with Sportsmaster's request to kill Aqualad after he "killed" Artemis? First, Black Manat has more stais than Sportsmaster, the former being a member of The Light and the latter being only an enforcer. Second and more subtle, unlike Black Manta who was genuinely concerned for his only child, Sportsmaster was only concerned with his reputation that would be soiled because Artemis's "death" is an "insult" to his profession. In short, Vandal was willing to help Manta more because he actually cared for his kids, unlike Sportsmaster.
The Light amputating Roy's upper arm for DNA would seem excessive. For that they could use a cheek swab. Most likely what they were really after are the stem cells in located in the marrow of long bone.
One from "Image" when M'gann shows her supposed true form. Everyone seems accepting, and Superboy gets up and tells her that she doesn't need to put on a mask for him. What was a bit of a Tear Jerker considering she's a White Martian becomes a Crowning Moment of Heartwarming when he reveals in "The Usual Suspects" that he's known ever since episode 9 and was trying to tell her she didn't have to hide from him.
There's an even earlier indication in "Targets" by his split second reaction to M'gann talking about how White Martians are discriminated against.
It makes sense that Ra's Al Gul would mention that the light "appreciates strong family ties", seeing as although he has Sportsmaster and Cheshire bickering on the same team, he also has his daughter who carries on his work as well. It would make sense for him to bring this up when talking to the Son of Black Manta.
Another thing to consider in regards to family ties is who they picked to be Sportsmaster's replacement, Deathstroke, who in the comics is a father himself.
This troper wondered why, of all times, did Wally choose to call out Nightwing about the plan after Mount Justice gets blown up, when he could have just mentioned his concerns, mostly as a reminder to Dick to be careful. Then this troper realized it was probably because of the debriefing of the situation that Wally may have heard from Mal. If Mal stayed any longer at the lab with Karen, then Dick would have drowned, and eventually Superboy. Taking into consideration all of the little variables that might have resulted in his best friend's death, of course Wally would soon realize that maybe Aqualad is a triple-agent and that he has been playing Dick, and now Artemis might really get killed because they've been playing it too close to the chest.
In "Bloodlines," Bart specifically asks if Blue Beetle happens to be in the Cave when he arrives. At first it just seems like more Talkative Loon fanboying, but "Before the Dawn" reveals that he specifically came back to stop Jaime being put "on mode" and helping bring the Reach apocalypse.
The scarab has been shown to be pretty violent, suggesting to kill or use excessive force in multiple situations and being constantly exasperated when Jaime doesn't follow its advice. However, in "Before the Dawn" it never suggests excessive force, and in "Cornered" it suggests killing Impulse, but also tries to comfort Jaime over the idea of the bad future. The scarab doesn't want to go on mode either!
In "Intervention" the Scarab outright says it prefers its partnership with Jaime to being enslaved by the Reach. That pretty much confirms it.
How did Sportsmaster put Ugly Manheim and Whisper A'Dare in their comas in 'Salvage'? with the poison that Artemis used in 'Fix'
Miss Martian's costume change from season 1 and season 2 represents her Character Development. In her first costume she's wearing a costume that just speaks "I'm a nice girl. But I will kick your butt. However I won't really hurt you". Now her current costume states, "If you are my enemy, prepare for a possible Mind Rape".
More Fridge Foreshadowing than anything: Jaime's accent seemed less prominent in 'The Runaways'. I thought it was either Character Development or me mishearing. Except the Scarab doesn't have an accent.
More specifically, the Ambassador doesn't have an accent.
In 'Depths' Black Manta and the Light went through a lot of effort to destroy that shuttle being launched, why? Because it was carrying a satellite to establish better communications with Mars! The Light wanted to make sure the League couldn't quickly contact Mars to try to confirm Green Beetle's story!
In the first comic Superboy and Kid Flash visit a clothing store called Forever Sixteen, now most people may see this as simply the creators fetish for the number 16 until you learn in Season 2 Superboy is going to look Sixteen for the rest of his life.
There is an existing chain of clothing stores called "Forever 21" as well.
Back in "True Colors", Blue Beetle and Green Beetle beat Black Beetle using a combination sound attack, an attack Blue's Scarab warned would be ineffective. Blue's Scarab isn't stupid, it must have considered a second sound source. Yet another fact foreshadowing Green's betrayal; Black Beetle threw that fight.
In "Before the Dawn", Black Beetle using his scarab to shift the density of the door so that Miss Martian is trapped when she tries to phase through it, in hindsight seems almost a little too smart of a move to make, even for someone with his capabilities. Then in "Runaways" it's revealed that the Green Beetle of Mars, B'arzz O'oomm, is The Mole and not free from The Reach's influence like he earlier claimed, meaning The Reach would be aware of Martian abilities and how to combat them.
And Static is functioning as a stand-in for Black Vulcan, who was created for Superfriends and was never a comic character.
In "Intervention", it's noted that the Scarab should know that its attacks won't work on Rocket's shield, yet it keeps doing them, and it takes a needlessly long time to produce a countermeasure. Later, it admits it doesn't like working for the Reach. It was trying to throw that fight.
Just watch how slowly he was moving and how lazy his attacks were. It was likely the scarab had the impression that the Team was going to try and find a way to put it off mode, based on its understanding on Jaime's friendship with the Team. This would also mean that it did take something out of its partnership with Jaime, and likely said what it said as a front for the Reach.
Also as the Scarab was about to deliver the finishing blow on Impulse and Batgirl, it menacingly dragged its blade knives on the way and walked leisurely. But this tropette felt that it was in fact actually trying to slow itself down (enough so the Reach wouldn't get suspicious) and hope that there was another team coming to stop it before it really had to kill them.
Even more foreshadowing in the scarab's first choice of victim. It went for Impulse, who was further away than Batgirl. He then takes the time to flick Impulse's head around with the flat of the blade.
Green Beetle fighting the Team seemed really weak. Sure, he was doing fine, but all he used was his sonic cannon, his density shifting and super strength one time apiece, and really didn't look like he was trying hard. Given how he seems to have a similar relationship with his Scarab that Jaime does, it's entirely possible that he was throwing the fight.
Another possibility is they fought him in a manner similar to how the Runaway's and Arsenal fought Black Beetle; keeping him off balance. They were never doing any real harm.
The remote that the Ambassador uses to control Beetles Blue and Green (seeing and speaking through them, mainly) only has TWO color coded buttons. Combined with the fact that Black Beetle seemed to be a Reach when his armor was peeled off, and the fact that he is a bit of a Blood Knight, it indicates HE might be in control, NOT the Scarab, and that he is doing all this evil of his own free will.
Reinforced in "Summit" when he abandons the Ambassador and plans to destroy Earth.
There are probably two kinds of people who get scarabs put on them- dupes who will be used to prepare their planets for Reach conquest and are at least supposed to be controlled by the scarab (Blue and Green) and elite Reach warriors who work in tandem with it (Black). Probably also why Black comes off as the most powerful of the Beetles- he was most likely extensively trained (possibly since childhood, if Reach society is as stratified and rigid as it seems) to interface with such a weapon and use it to its fullest potential.
Two things in "Darkest" and "Before The Dawn" that make a lot more sense in hindsight: the Scarab's utter panic at being captured, and its memory files before being fused with Jaime being gone. If the Scarab wasn't really malfunctioning, it stands to reason that it deleted or somehow repressed all memory files before Jaime to keep the Reach from finding out why it's off mode.
Who was the person who put Blue Beetle and Green Beetle off mode? Zatanna, the girl whose father has been trapped inside his own body, able to see everything while controlled by the intelligence inside a possession but never able to talk or act to the people around him. She probably worked really hard to get the ritual right.
Kaldar brings up the possibility of the Justice League members who are off planet returning in order to stop Black Beetle and Black Manta's fight. Why did he do this when his entire plan was to break up their alliance? It also resulted in Vandal Savage stating that the Light not only sent the Justice League to attack another world in the first place but have bribed some members of the court to ensure they're convicted. He was getting information to prove the Leaguers innocence on top of arranging an Engineered Public Confession.
When the team is sent off in Image Batman briefs them on Queen Bee's powers, correcting them that it works on 'most' men and 'some' women. It seems like quick way to get under the Radar... Then comes Issue 25 of the tie in comic where Queen Bee uses her powers to make Marie Logan drive off a cliff. They wanted to make it clear Queen Bee could do that because the writers wanted to leave it open for her to do something like that.
Word of God has Marie as LGBTQ,although didn't specify if she is JUST attracted to woman. Link here
Of the three main Reach characters, Scientist has an audible accent but neither Ambassador nor Black Beetle/Warrior do. Black Beetle's scarab is handling the translation for him, and the Ambassador would have learned to speak perfect English (and likely other human languages as well) to put humans at ease around him. Scientist, though she clearly learned English well, has neither the incentive to bother disguising an accent nor the specific piece of technology that would do it for her.
Superman and Giovanni Zatara are both played by Nolan North but quite funnily both of these characters debuted in the same comic book the anthology comic Action Comics 1. Although considering the fact that the part of Superman was autioned so that he would have the same actor as Superboy this is most likely an amazing coincidence
And The Reach Ambassador and Green Beetle are both voiced by Phil La Marr and we later find out that the Reach Ambassador is the one that commands the Beetles what to say when they are on mode so Phil La Marr is actually speaking through Phil La Marr in this case.
The Scarab particularly dislikes Impulse, seeing him as a threat and being willing to incinerate him for no good reason. Thinking back on it, the Scarab does have a good reason. It was established in "Beneath" that the Scarab can scan someone's biology to see if they're lying. Impulse's entire personality is a lie, so when they meet he's constantly setting off the lie detector.
Also because Impulse keeps feeding Jaime's fear about the Scarab, liking frightening it into thinking his influence is gonna talk him into removing it or otherwise doing something to it (which eventually happens). On the other hand Nightwing, who tells him not to worry about it and figures the Scarab can be trusted, it actually seems to like.
The Scarab addresses people with either a "The" in front or use their name in full (i.e., the Impulse, the Nightwing, Jaime Reyes). This is basically the way Reach titles work (The Ambassador, Black Beetle).
Did anyone else have a light bulb moment about the Robin/ Wondergirl pairing when the remembered the pairings from Justice League/Justice League Unlimited?
On the Ask Greg website, he reveals the pairs that teamed up in "Endgame". All of the Runaways were paired up with Justice League members with similar powers to them:
Tye Longshadow with The Atom- both can change their size at will.
Asami Koiziumi with Black Canary- both can produce some short of sonic vibration.
Eduardo Dorado Jr.. with Captain Atom- both have powers dealing with their bodies (Captain Atom has invulnerability, energy absorption, and super strength and Ed can teleport himself).
An attempt to ask the Runaways to join The Team? Probably. If that was the case, only one took the offer: Virgil, or now known as, Static. The other declined the offer for their own reasons.
Why is Virgil the only member of the Runaways to join the the Team? Because unlike his friends, Virgil didn't have any personal reason not to. Tye wanted to go home, but not until Maurice left, Ed wanted to be closer to his father, and Sam's reason are unclear, but her refusal of not saying anything about her family does leave some horrific and sad assumptions.
Why didn't Cheshire tell Roy that she was pregnant with Lian? Because she grew up in a household with a father who wasn't emotionally available. Roy wasn't being emotionally available towards his friends and Jade. A Fridge Heartwarming moment when you understand that Jade didn't want her daughter to go through the same thing.
The Team Headbands couple: Tye Longshadow and Asami "Sam" Koizumi. Word of God confirmed that they do become a couple. The Fridge comes from how that both of them have had their eyes changed due to The Reach test. Tye's eyes changed from brown to icy blue; Sam's were possibly only one set of eye color and now she's a heterochromiac, or a different color in each.
"One will rise. One will fall. One will die." Aqualad becomes The Leader of The Team. Nightwing/Robin I temporarily quits after everything that's happen. Kid Flash I dies helping save Earth from The Reach.
If you notice that one of Marie Logan's Co-Stars is Rita Farr of the Doom Patrol (meaning that Rita Farr knew the Logans) then you get some Fridge Brilliance about her taking in Gar. Of course that's only assuming that happens eventually in the Young Justice universe.
In the opening fight of Welcome to Happy Harbor, once Speedy hits Brick with the high density polyurethane foam everyone seems to forget the fact that Brick probably can't breath under it and he's most likely suffocating as they are having their conversation... - Tableau
Oh c'mon, the stuff was invented by Green Arrow. He's got the same anti-kill rules as Batman, plus he's the DCU's most prominent liberal figure. Chances are, the arrow's designed to restrain without suffocating.
High density polyurethane foam isn't made up, it's real and you can't breath through it.
"Terrors" confirms that Brick is alive and well, albeit incarcerated.
Brick is one of Green Arrows foes so Speedy's probably faced him before and heck I wouldn't be surprised if Green Arrow and Speddy haven't done this to Brick before.Plus Speedy left Robin and Kid Flash near Brick and they probably freed Brick right after Speedy left.
In Episode 8, Aqualad and Garth are able to infiltrate Black Manta's operation by knocking out a couple of guards and stealing their uniforms.... uniforms that are scuba gear and (assuming these guys are normal humans) the only thing keeping them alive in the underwater environment. Aqualad and Garth had to have logically killed them to take their gear. It's not given a second thought in the episode.
There's no reason they couldn't have left the "scuba gear" part of the suit on the two mooks, while only taking the outside.
Black Manta's men were talking into their helmets using radio, the only way to do that under water is if the helmet was part of their breathing apparatus. Garth and Aqualad took their helmets. And another thing, we have no idea how far under water they are, their suits were probably pressurized keeping their body from imploding so even if they were some how able to breath they'd be crushed under the weight of the water without their gear.
Besides, I'm pretty sure Aqualad is shown killing those same Mooks earlier with his water-swords. I don't think he has too many qualms about taking a life in battle.
The way I see it is that it's a defense of their country. Like any military/police force, if they need to kill, they got to kill.
I completely agree in the belief that they were justified to kill in that situation; it's just that DC heroes tend not to even when it would be acceptable. A DC character that doesn't follow the Thou Shall Not Kill rule is hardly ever not a villain. It's so ingrained into the universe that to have a Young Justice member who will kill (even in the most justified circumstances) is such a huge thing that it would have been given more attention if it hadn't been Fridge Logic (which it was).
Lagoon Boy mentioned he'd be attacking Aqualad with intent to kill, and was upset he wasn't told the truth so he'd hold back. Black Manta and his forces are seemingly targets to be killed if possible for Atlantian heroes. Which makes sense. Black Manta is an enemy of the state of Atlantis, and Aquaman is the king, with his sidekicks being deputized agents of Atlantian law, and officers of the Atlantian military (all Atlantian's are required to give two years of military service at age 12, so Kaldur, Garth Laga'nn and Tula all served). The typical hero rules of having to avoid killing to keep the world governments from coming down on them for technically illegal activity don't apply. In the water, Aquaman and his sidekicks aren't vigilantes, they are the law. Frankly any hero, surface dweller or not could kill Manta or his men and walk away, if not be praised as a hero if Aquaman decreed it.
I assumed Black Manta's men were rogue Atlanteans/Mermen and could breath under water anyway and that the suits were just for armour/comms/scanning. Didn't consider otherwise until I read this. But Garth is a fairly proficiant magician so I'd assume one of the first spells they'd learn is a water breathing one for when surface dwellers need to visit or be rescued.
Just rewatched the episode. If you look closely, you can see that Black Manta's troops have webbing on their hands, the same way Aqualad and the other atlanteans do. This most likely means they are Atlantean.
The tie-in comics reveal that the troops are made up of humans who were mutated so that they could breathe and swim underwater.
In "Bereft," a group of soldiers were restraining a berserk Superboy long enough for him to be telepathically put to sleep. How did those soldiers manage to tie the rope around his arms in the first place?
Same way you lasso a wild animal I imagine.
The Justice League has access to instant transportation making it so most of the Young Justice kids don't have to live in the same house, or even the same state, to still work together as a team for the League. But even though Wally lives all the way in Missouri yet can make it to team practice all the way in Rhode Island in a blink of an eye, Aqualad is forced to live away from Atlantis. As shown in "Downtime", Atlantis has a Zetabeam tube, so why can't he live with his family and friends, like the other teammates do, and be part of Young Justice at the same time?
Perhaps to avoid getting the Bends and to avoid from frequently switching from a high pressure environment to a low pressure one.
Which brings up another question: If Miss M. and Superboy are the only ones shown to live in Mount Justice, where does Aqualad live?
I'm guessing Pearl Harbor since that' where they showed him in the Pilot while all the other sidekicks were introduced in their home towns.
I think it's more of a mind thing. If Aqualad isn't committed to the team because he's constantly worrying about home, being there on vacation etc. he's not fit to be leader. If an emergency comes up and Aqualad must first be contacted, they loose valuable time.
There are a lot of reasons why that doesn't make a lot of sense. Just because you're a leader doesn't mean you aren't allowed to have a home life. Batman is the leader of the Justice League that deals with much higher stakes than Young Justice but he's still allowed to live his own separate life and raise his kid.
Yes, but that's Batman. Different people react to these things differently, so Aqualad may need to have the division in order to keep up his own private focus. Besides, there's a big difference between living in another U.S. State and living in an entirely separate country. (Which Atlantis is, since it even has a capital. It's possible that Aqualad and Aquaman are considered ambassadors much as Wonder Woman is in some canons, thus it's somewhat expected for them to live in on land for long stretches of time)
Then why doesn't he live in the same city as his friends?
Probably because the school where he met them and studied his magical skills is in a different city than where he actually lives.
Because that's where his family (except for his dad Black Manta, obviously) lives?
It's also possible that him and Garth lived in this other city before they helped Aquaman, and then after that Aqualad traveled with Aquaman (while still living elsewhere), which meant he speant time in Poseidonis (thus meeting Tula), and Garth moved to Poseidonis to train under Mera.
If Ivo escaped in "Schooled", why do we see him handing out laundry to inmates at Belle Reve in "Terrors"? Accidental cameo?
He was probably recaptured by the League at some point.
And they never bothered to mention that? Seems like the writers just decided that on a whim and was like...hey audience, the League managed to capture Ivo off screen, in case you were wondering...I don't know...seems like a copout if that's the case.
Why would that be a copout? Why would they even mention it? It isn't like "Terrors" took place a short time after "Schooled". There are a LOT of heroes and a LOT of villains.
Yeah. It wouldn't have hurt for them to mention it in passing or something, but the show is about Young Justice (Even if they aren't called that yet), not the Justice League. So unless what the League is doing directly affects YJ, we probably won't hear about it.
Why was MISS MARTIAN the one who had to tell Superboy 'On a mission, I'm your teammate, not your girlfriend'. Isn't she the one who freaked out when Superboy was nabbed?
And she reacted like she did because she was telepathically linked to a teammate who was being tortured. There's quite a bit on headscratchers about why she did what she did in that episode.
Erm, are we also forgetting that in "Bereft", Superboy was a mindless berserker because of the amnesia? She was rushing to save his life and any remainder of his humanity because God knows what would have happened if he was left to his own, without his memories of anything for much longer. Besides, look at what she said in context. If your job is a high-risk job and you break taboo by being in a relationship with a co-worker, of course your first instinct is to worry for their safety. Superboy, who is already protective, is going over board to the point where Miss Martian's own ability as an efficient member of the team was being compromised (what Action Girl would appreciate being told she needs constant protecting by someone, particularly a man, when she can hold her own?)
There's one other thing. How often do people give advice that they completely ignore themselves? Parents are a perfect example, leading to the common phrase "Do as I say, not as I do".
Bullets bounced right off of Superboy's skin in "Bereft", but Wolf's teeth left marks in "Alpha Male"? How does that work?
Maybe Conner's powers work a bit like the shields from Dune where faster moving objects are easily deflected while slower ones can still damage him (since in the comics his powers were derived from a telekinetic field generated around his body there were ways to get around them). Also remember that Wolf is not an ordinary animal anymore, it's possible he's just as strong as Conner is.
After a Kobra Venom upgrade, I wouldn't be surprised if Wolf could bite through concrete much less Kryptonian skin.
If Secret was indeed a ghost, and also intangible, how was she able to remove Zatanna's gag?
While I know very little about the comics' version of Secret, ghosts often have at least some ability to affect the physical world.
In "Failsafe", the cave's computer identified the soldier the team took with them by name and affiliation (the Marines). How would it get this information without being backdoored into the Pentagon?
On one hand, yes, maybe the Justice League does have connections to the Pentagon. On the other hand, it might be an case of not doing the research for Ms. Martian, seeing how she controls everything in the simulated world.
In "Drop-Zone", why the hell could Bane, a guy with Super Strength, not break out of being tied to a tree with a freaking rope?
He only has regular strength when he's not using venom.
In "Image", Queen Bee's power is stated to work on "most men and some women", suggesting that it relies on the target being able to be attracted to Queen Bee (i.e. straight men, homosexual women, and bisexuals). Taking this into account, how does it then work on a ten year old?
Many children have their first crushes around that time or even younger, so obviously Garfield is capable of finding girls pretty.
a lot of people know their sexual orientation from a young age. It's not that weird.
So in "Earthlings", when Beast Boy has a minor Heroic BSOD after seeing a scene that reminded him of his mother's death he transforms so that he looks like a normal human... except that he's still green. This troper assumed that his being green was like his being half monkey; a choice he made in order to look cool. However, the fact that he is still green during his Glamor Failure confused this troper. Miss Martian is actually a White Martian, so why is his skin green?
Miss Martian mentions that her shapeshifting includes everything down to the cellular level. Since she was green while giving Beast Boy blood, her cells (and presumably her DNA) were saying green instead of white. So Beast Boy turns green.
Alternatively, he's green because that's how he looks in the comics.
Or all Martians have green blood regardless of skin color, and Beast Boy reflects that.
One of the tie-in comics revealed Beast Boy got his powers from Megan's blood and a bite from a green monkey.
The Light's plan seemed to have railed on their mole, Red Arrow joining the Justice League to plant the Starro tech on them. Just what would have happened if their mole was killed? Insecurity even has a VERY near miss when Sportmaster, his HANDLER, throws a javelin at him. Red survives just by spinning around so it hits his quiver.
Nightwing's plan involves making everyone believe that Aqualad murdered Artemis however she's still alive, so who did they bury?
In Batman: Under The Red Hood Jason's body was replaced with a dummy made of high end latex. Nightwing might have done something similar. Of course, they may have just had a closed casket funeral.
In "Welcome to Happy Harbor", Miss Martian shows off her shapeshifting and comments that she has difficulty with forms that are radically different from hers, like the Male form. Except in "Image", we find out that a humanoid Female form is also pretty far off from her true form, so how come she didn't have difficulty with that?
Considering how much she hates her true Martian form, she'd probably practiced shifting into and perfecting "Megan" constantly, whereas she hadn't yet for any male humans. It's something she's clearly able to do with practice (see her impersonating J'onn in "Depths"), so it's simply a matter of experience at that point.
Word of God is that she has to study forms before she can mimic them well, later in the same episode she impersonates Red Tornado fine, because she had prep time.
Red Arrow retired after finding the original Roy Harper to live with his wife and daughter.
It's already mentioned in the Fridge Logic section but Brick is slowly suffocating by the polyurethane foam while still conscious and who knows how long he was stuck there until they finally got the foam off of him.
Artemis' dad is somebody who would dress her up while she was asleep or unconscious, and is also the kind of person who would ask Artemis to kill a hero as a test.
Looking from Artemis's perspective, she woke up with her clothes changed, with some guy in a cabin in the middle of the desert without any knowledge of getting there in the first place. Is it any idea that she was naturally freaked out?
Comic book devotees already know that Artemis' dad is Sportsmaster, so yeah. Her dad is a ruthless costumed mercenary and assassin.
Isn't anyone else Squicked about the "dress her up while she's asleep" part?!
It can be squicky without Sportsmaster actually, intentionally molesting his daughter- the sheer lack of respect for her boundaries alone would do it, methinks...
I am guessing no one here was dressed by their parents. Yes? No? Just me then.
It's one thing having your parents pick your clothes out. It's quite another thing to have your parent physically strip you down and put those clothes on you while you sleep.
It's also an age/ability thing. Personally my parents stopped dressing me well before I was Artemis's age.
Also just imagine the thought process behind this for a sec: "Okay, she's asleep now. Better dress her up, give her her bow and arrows, dump her in this foreign country and leave Kid Flash here. Should I leave a note? Nah, I'm sure she can put two and two together." And her reaction: "Another one of his stupid tests." Implying they've been through this before.
More of a Fridge Horror to this troper than others, probably, but she's grown attached to the shows presentation of the Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson dynamic. It's been mentioned on this site for this show that Batman's relationships with Robin is the healthiest its ever been represented as concerning their split-up. With a Robin aged 13-years-old and the show just starting (with Robin doing the hero gig for 3 years) you'd think that the writers will wait another season before stressing the bonds between the Dynamic Duo. Then come episode 17 where Robin shyly tells Black Canary to not tell Batman that, after the failed training session from episode 16, Robin expresses his issues in that he doesn't aspire to be the Batman anymore. Ladies and gentlemen, it starts here.
Not necessarily. Greg Weisman has said on Ask Greg that he never understood why Batman had to suddenly be all hateful so Dick can break off. Dick doesn't want to be Batman...but Batman's not the only hero who takes wing in the night.
Not wanting to be somebody doesn't imply a bad relationship - to this troper, it was simply Robin not considering himself "strong" enough to take exacty the same determined and all-sacrificing role as Batman; Robin seems to admire Batman's ways still, but, having experienced how it feels, sees that it's not a path he's willing to go. Cut the boy some slack, he's thirteen and acting like Batman is quite a burden.
Batman states in one of the episodes he took in Dick so he would not become Batman. In timeskip I wouldn't be surprised if there was a whole "arc" behind the scenes of Robin learning how to be an effective leader without being as cold and detached as Batman is, culminating in Batman telling Dick it's time for him to go out on his own and Robin becoming Nightwing. And they all lived happily ever after. The end.
In-universe example in "Secrets": Artemis finding exactly where Greta Hayes was murdered, based off the word "secret" shown on a neon store sign across the street from where she and Zatanna were standing.
Artemis: Must've been the last thing Greta ever saw.
In Misplaced, Klarion splits everyone into two parallel realities; one with only adults and one with only children. During the episode, the airplane pilot with Billy Batson (Captain Marvel's human child form) turns 18 and gets transported into the adult reality without her airplane and starts falling through the air. Fortunately, Billy turned into Captain Marvel and managed to save her in time. All good. Then, you stop and realise that there must have been HUNDREDS of planes in the air when Klarion first split the two worlds; all of which would have either disappeared or crashed in the children's world when the adults disappeared.
In the same episode, what happened to the newborn babies without their moms or doctors? How many babies died because the moment they were born, they were transported to an entirely separate world without anyone to help them live?
I thought Captain Marvel destroyed the plane when he transformed.
No, when he transformed he transported himself into the adult world, where the plane had never taken off to begin with. Presumably, with no pilot, it went on to crash in the child world.
when the world split Zatanna's dad was floating a crate, kid world it fell, adult world he was still floating it. Klarion even mentions that the Fate 's helmet was split between the worlds. The plane in the adult world was still at the airport, the plane in the kid world crashed. I am wondering what happened to it once reintegrated.
The funny thing is that Generator Rex had a similar episode where almost everyone in the world blacked out, and they all but stated that millions of people died. YJ saw fit to just imply it. For example, all the parents who were driving their car along the highway with kids in the back. Not all of them would've had their kid crash safely and get rescued by Superboy.
Yet another bit of horror to an already horrifying scenario. What happened to all the kids who where in critical care at the time? What would happen to a child undergoing surgery at the time?
In Misplaced, just how screwed up was your childhood that you live in a Western country, but don't know how 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' goes?
It is completely possible she messed up on purpose to make it funny. That would be a good way to distract the kids from the entire no more parents thing.
Personal experience, messing up songs makes little kids laugh. Also, a cut scene shows that Artemis started singing ABC right afterwards, making it more likely that she's doing it on purpose.
Alternate personal experience shows that children of immigrants often don't know Western nursery rhymes, but know children's songs/poems from their parent's country. So it could easily be a mix of both. Artemis doesn't know nursery rhymes very well (as her mother is Vietnamese), but knows that making her natural mess-ups way more obvious will make the kids laugh.
Forget that! The important question is for how long does that video of Megan and Conner go on?
On that note, in that same episode we find out that her shape shifting works on a cellular level which means it may be possible for her to actually have a child with Superboy even though she is Martian and he is mostly Kryptonian.
In Images, Queen Bee has the power to manipulate people of either sex, and it doesn't even matter what age they are. She was able to manipulate Garfield to hurt himself should M'gann step any closer, but could you imagine if she could make an army of kids to do her bidding?
What happened to Dubbilex and the other Genomorphs that escaped from Cadmus and formed their own city, which Superboy accidentally helped Cadmus discover? As nice as the Guardian is, it's doubtful that Dubbilex will avoid punishment or further restrictions to prevent him from trying something like this again.
Now the whole Black Canary Shapeshifting thing does not seem so Squick in comparison because she's only 24.
And being a shapeshifter Miss Martian is really only choosing to look 16, nothings is making her look that way. She is actually mimicking the body and personality of a TV character her true form is a monstrous white martian which may be more Squicky than just and alien stealth pedophile.
Except that M'gann is chronologically 48 Earth years and biologically 16 Earth years. Even on Mars she is still a teenager.
Chronologically is even worse! She's been alive longer than Superman * who is 33 according to the wikia and still acts like bubbly ditz, and because J'onn is the only other Martian we know we don't know if this is typical behavior for 48-year-old Martian, She could have chosen to look more like an adult if she wanted to.
What don't you understand about biologically? Yes we don't have any other Martians to compare M'gann to, however inverse there are other Martians and J'onn doesn't think there's anything wrong with the way she's acting so she probably is acting like a typical teenager on Mars. And it's also not fair to compare her to Superman because Martian biology is obviously different from Kryptonian. Kyptonians probably reach adults maturity around the same time as humans and have a prolonged adulthood but Martians seemed to have a prolonged everything. We also don't know how long M'gann was an infant, toddler and child for, but one can assume four times as long as human children. M'gann is at the same maturity and biological age as Superboy which makes this relatioship perfectly acceptable.
If it takes Martians 48 years to be emotionally 16, Martians are pretty dumb.
By that (il)logic, humans are dumber than dogs.
If the average Martian lives 3 times longer than the average human, then at 48 she would have the maturity of a 16 year old. Biologically is a completely different topic than chronologically. Say there was a creature that had a life span 10 times as long as a human, at 160 they would have the emotional maturity of a human 16 year old. Get the point?
Considering the highly unusual circumstances surrounding both of their backgrounds, why should typical human standards of morality ever apply to their relationship? It's not like there's a whole lot of 16 week old female clones out there for Conner to court, and Megan is... well, can a shapeshifter really be said to have an 'original' form, especially given Megan's rather complex issues with her own self-image and species?
Along the same lines, wouldn't applying typical human standards mean Conner is meant to be with actual 16-year-old infants, while Megan, at the maturity she is shown to have, would be looking to get with potentially much older men?
Any other in-universe moment is when Lex Luthor is able to shutdown Conner by just saying "Red Sun" and Conner wonders what else he could make him do.
Something else to consider: does the red sun thing only work when Lex Luthor says it?
The revelation that the Roy Harper we've been watching is a Cadmus clone gets more disturbing when you remember his uncle The Guardian is now the head of cadmus!
How do you know The Guardian is really Roy's uncle? Because Cadmus says so?
Becomes a bit of Fridge Brilliance given the psychic control Cadmus holds over Guardian in the pilot, and especially once it's revealed that Guardian is a clone himself. So Cadmus can basically do whatever they want under Guardian's nose and then psychically suggest or use his clone programming to ensure, that he forget about the stuff they don't want him to know.
The real Roy missing his arm is already pretty disturbing, but it gets worse for anyone familiar with his mainstream universe backstory he's a descendant of Vandal Savage, an immortal who partially sustains his existence by eating the flesh and organs of his descendants. If this familial connection is present in this universe as well it's possible Vandal ate Roy's arm.
Ok yes the Vandal eating Roy's arm is freaky. But this troper has another theory as to why the arm is missing from the real Roy. IT IS ON CLONE-ROY, SO HE HAS THE RIGHT FINGER PRINTS AND BIO METRICS!!
By definition, being a clone would cover that without needing the arm. Also, it would be necessary to transplant both arms in that situation.
From a real world scientific standpoint, no. Red Arrow and Speedy should have different fingerprints, because the fingerprint pattern is not coded in DNA. Think of the specific pattern like a scar or a mole: it's formed from interaction with the environment, and no two individuals will have the exact same experiences in such detail. This is why identical twins, with identical DNA, have different fingerprints.
Once again, however, this assumes a) real world science, and b) that someone actually MEMORIZED Roy's fingerprints. Given that Cadmus was able to get away with cloning and abducting Speedy, it's no great stretch that they were able to hack into various databases and CHANGE the records of Roy's fingerprints. If they got to Roy, they should know everything about Ollie, including where his records are kept.
Alternately, would there be any reason for anyone to have a record of Speedy's fingerprints at the age that he was abducted at? It seems unlikely someone would investigate items that Speedy would handled unless they had a reason to believe there was something off about him.
Alternately alternately, Cadmus just changed the clone's fingerprints to match the real Roy's.
So in the comics we learned that Atlantians were originally humans who learned to live underwater. But as time went on, they started to "develop" fish features, from mermaids to talking sharks... so how did that happen?
According to the tie-in comic it was magic and Atlantean technology
Why did the writers of the show have Sportsmaster drop the hint about the mole? So that the Team would actually have a connection to that storyline. Without that hint, the fact that Red Arrow was a sleeper agent programmed to take down the League would have had no bearing on what happened to the Team. We never actually saw the Light acquire any Intel on the Team, nor was anyone on the Team involved with the Light. (And no, Red Arrow was not involved with the ambush the Light set at the plane wreck. It was an ambush. That's why the villains were expecting heroes to show up. Red Arrow didn't even know about this excursion.)
Because it would cause distrust amongst the team. As soon as the team learned that there was a mole amongst their ranks, they all turned on each other. They didn't listen to orders from Aqualad due to him not telling them about the mole, they argued with each other etc. Sportsmaster was obviously hoping the hint would distract the team long enough for the Light to accomplish one of their goals. It was also something for the fans to discuss.
I thought of this after "Auld Acquaintance" and "Happy New Year": Cadmus was able to kidnap and clone Roy three years before without anyone noticing. Then, in the pilot episode, they said that they would clone Robin, Kid Flash and Aqualad. In "Happy New Year", (five years later) Aqualad is nowhere to be seen, and in promotional material for "Invasion", it seems like he's wearing the same suit as Black Manta. What if Cadmus was able to clone Aqualad as well so he would become the new Black Manta?
Jossed, though the real explanation is actually worse. Aqualad joined Black Manta of his own free will after losing faith in the team and Aquaman when Tulla died during her stint on the team and after learning that Aquaman hid his true parentage from him.
I still think he might just turn out to be a double agent.
"Alienated" shows that not only has M'gann been growing more casual about inflicting Mind Rape, but she does it to a Krolotean prisoner that J'onn was psychically interrogating at the time. What really makes it creepy is that not only does she not get chewed out for this, but Conner seems to be the only one present who even notices. Is M'gann asserting a mental influence on those around her to hide her more unsavory moments?
They might be building up to it. Conner is clearly disturbed by it and J'onn realizes something happened. I'd have some faith that it's going to be addressed.
We've already established that thousands of children probably died in "misplaced" but the whole point of splitting the realms was just to steal that Starro thing. The one Aqualad thwarted them from stealing in "Downtime." Yeah, Aqualad's victory in Poseidonis helped lead to the events that caused thousands of deaths. Yowch. Poor thing.
In “Salvage” we see Blue Beetle become very despondent after the death of the monster. It would be bad enough just thinking this was because he simply talked to it and realized it was a living being, but if you pay attention, at the moment of death Jaime was still connected to it.
The Scarab is willing to vaporize pretty much anything at the slightest provocation. Assuming that comic canon applies here, Jaime has a little sister.
Well, Jaime is able to control the armor and keep from being too violent. I'm pretty sure if it ever went for his sister, he'd have gone to the Justice League Hospital or wherever he could and had it cut out of his spine, whether or not it actually carried out the deed.
In "True Colors" Jaime did just that (The hospital thing, not killing his sister) The Atom and Bumblebee couldn't get the thing off.
As of "Darkest", the armor can take control of him when necessary. Hope this doesn't go wrong.
And now Jaime's been put on mode by Green Beetle. Hope they don't decide to abduct his family...
In "Bloodlines", we learn that Bart traveled to the past to prevent his grandfather from dying. That day, Iris found out that she was pregnant and was planning on telling Barry the news later, in the night. It makes you sick to realize that if not for Bart, Barry would have died without knowing that he was going to become a dad. And poor Iris would be waiting at home, probably eagerly waiting to tell her news to a husband that would never come. Imagine her expression when she finds out her husband/the Flash is dead. Their poor kids would have to grow up without their father... ugh.
In "Depths", Artemis, Kid Flash, Nightwing and Aqualad all work together to fake Artemis' death. It's a good plan; I'll give them that. But am I the first person to notice that Paula Crock, a disabled woman who appears to have no income and only one other family member she can trust but doesn't see, is now going to believe her youngest daughter (who she RAISED!) is now dead? Ugh; this just SCREAMS Adult Fear.
The next episode "Satisfaction" confirms this. She says losing her daughter was worse than losing her legs, getting sent to prison, and losing her other daughter to a life of crime.
Practically everything Bart Allen does or says is subject to Fridge Horror when you think on it.
Nonchalantly eating at the memorials of the deceased. Seems disrespectful, but when you consider how many people must have died for him to get that desensitized at a relatively young age it's pretty sad.
When did the Bad Future go bad? For all we know, he was a normal kid with a personality very similar to the one he used as a mask before everything went to hell. Even if that wasn't true, he still grew up in a dystopia, which is equally depressing.
Only Neutron went to see him off. Which most likely means his entire family is dead and gone.
When he asks why the Justice League doesn't have memorials, Jaime says they don't want or need one. Bart's mask slips a bit and he gives a Death Glare. He was the only one who knows that Barry was destined to die that day, and the Justice League wouldn't even have given him the honor of a memorial for all he did.
He's also unaware that Kaldur is a double agent. So either their plan fell through and Kaldur died with everyone thinking he was a traitor, or he's really a triple agent as Wally said. Either that or that Bart's still "in character", as he puts it.
He mentioned not being a good history student. If he knew about the incident, he would know that Artimes didn't really die, even if he didn't know the exact details because it went bad.
Also think about how it must have been for him to see Mount Justice blown up. Remember in his time, Mount Justice was just a stub of a place. To see it happen here, he must have despaired, seeing that the bad future is still a possibility with some things now matching up again.
This would be in Fridge Logic, but enough attention gets called to it that it looks like its shaping up to be something. Why does he keep trying to blow everyone's secret identity? Did everyone in the future get snatched at their homes?
Actually this Is exactly what would have happened if Bart hadn't dragged Jaime out of his house to "hang out"
Aqualad and Artemis may have destroyed the last "Hello, Megan!" tapes in the world when they blew up Mount Justice. Which means Beast Boy doesn't have them to remember his mother by.
Aqualad blew up Mount Justice early just so he could eliminate any doubts, nearly killing Nightwing and Superboy. And Nightwing didn't even know the plan until afterwards. Whether or not he's a triple agent, he's taking this way too far.
Bart, being a time traveler, has changed the course of history in his actions. Thinking about what must have happened without him there leads to this. Besides what has already been mentioned about Bloodlines, imagine how "Darkest" would have gone if Bart hadn't asked Jaime to hang out with him in the desert (such as a super hero fight at Jaime's house in a civilian area instead of an empty one). Then think about what would have happened in "Before the Dawn". Jaime would have either been killed and the scarab used on another human, or Jaime would have been moded. Either way, everyone trapped with Black Beetle would have been dead or captured to be experimented on, and the same would have been true for Beast Boy. At what point would Nightwing have been forced to abandon Batgirl, Robin, Wonder Girl, Lagoon Boy, Superboy, Miss Martian, Beast Boy, and the soon-to-be Static? Not to mention that if Blue Beetle was moded, he might have been the one to kill those that were not slated for experiments. The team would have been screwed without Bart.
Something that literally occurred to me after re-watching "Happy New Year". Nightwing tells Robin "Just don't die.". Jason Todd, that is, the second Robin, is dead by the beginning of the second season.- g3m1n1
Many fans have recently commented on how Nightwing's recent actions have been increasingly Batman-ish in nature, and have compared this to his confession in season 1, in which Dick said he didn't want to be like the Dark Knight. Then Greg Weisman reveals that Dick is actually aware of the fact that his actions are becoming increasingly similar in nature to Batman's, in addition to saying that "Dick may not want to be Batman, but it doesn't change the fact that he's good at exactly that". Think of how much self-loathing poor Dick must have in him right now.
In "Cornered", Jaime said He cannot live with the bad future, and wants the scarab to removed from him, no matter what it takes. Thinking about what we learned in the last episode about how removing the scarab from Jaime would kill him, this means that Jaime is essentially asking the League and Team to kill him, and Jaime's the only one who knows it.
There's also the fact that the Blue Beetle in the future might not be Jamie at all. So by removing the Scarab, he could be leaving it to be taken by the person who would later come to betray the League.
And there's also the fact that it was Impulse who told him that he would become "The biggest big bad ever," which influenced his decision to remove the scarab. So if the Bad Future happens, it would beImpulse'sfault.
Virgil mentions getting huge amounts of painful shocks while being tortured by the reach, which presumably is the origin of his lightning-based powers. So, what did they do to Tye that he can now surround himself with a human-shaped forcefield? Compress him? Stab him with needles from all sides?
Close-range firing of projectiles. There's even a slight amount of evidence for this one in that Tye has a small wound on his cheek (covered by a band-aid); it's from one of the times that his shield failed...still pretty horrific though.
It's doubtful that the electric torture is actually what gave Virgil his powers. It's more likely that he and the others were tortured in different ways and when his metagene activated, then he was taken to the electric torture room to see how much juice he could take.
In "True Colors," Impulse eats a Reach-enhanced apple under the pretense of maintaining cover at the location. Hey, uh, Impulse? Remember the last time you decided to intake something from your enemy that you didn't fully understand?
Fridge Brilliance: The Reach-enhanced food is probably no worse than anything he's eaten in the future.
In fact if the additive is something used for mind-control or soothing the populace, it's likely that it's got less in it than anything he would have eaten in the future, as the dosage in that time would be much greater than the initial one.
You could take it even further. Why would the Reach go to the trouble of growing food to feed it's slave race? That is properly the first apple Bart has ever eaten.
If Sportsmaster hadn't tried to kill Black Manta and been replaced by Deathstroke, Artemis would have been forced to commit crimes with her dad, the very thing she tried to avoid her whole life.
Since it wasn't stated on show, Arsenal basically blew up a lab dedicated to fighting world hunger on camera.
Why is Arsenal on the team and why does he look so young? He's been in cryosleep for eight years, meaning he hasn't aged mentally or physically at all
The same reason why Speedy is on the team in the first episode.
In 'Runaways', Jaime kept on trying to take the four kids, including his best friend, to Green Beetle for help. Jaime was on mode, and if he had succeeded, those four kids would have been back in Reach hands, being tortured and experimented on. Lex Luthor saved them
Here's a little bit of paranoia for you: Mode!Jaime is able to act completely like the real Jaime would when he talks to the runaways, and yet when he's fighting Blue Beetle and afterwards, he acts extremely out of character. Which basically means that the armored Jaime is the Scarab controlling his body, and the unarmored one is the Scarab infecting his brain and possessing him Yeerk-style.
Actually, When talking to Green Beetle, he still seemed like Jaime, just completely loyal to the Reach. Combine that with the fact the scarab doesn't talk anymore, and it's like Jaime has been reprogrammed. And the worst part is that this episode is set about a month after the last one; Jaime's been moded for that long and the only people to notice were the Runaways (And Lex Luthor knew, but that was most likely because of the Light-Reach alliance)
From what we've seen in "Intervention": the Ambassador is in direct control when the Scarab is like that. So, since he was acting like himself(prominent accent,slang that doesn't feel awkward, empathizing with the Runaways) when he was talking to the Runaways, it's likely because either it was him talking or the Scarab was saying what he was saying. At some point the Ambassador caught on, which was when Jaime started taking them to Green Beetle and acting out of character.
When he's holed up in HQ, Nightwing still has Robin's birdarang. He's spent most of the season doing his best to keep Robin out of trouble (to the point where he didn't let Robin go on War World, just fly the bioship invisibly on the surface), and now he has no idea where he is or even if he's alive.
Also in this universe, Dick and Bruce never had their falling out like in the comics so he was probably a lot closer to Jason and was really affected by his death. Now his second little brother is missing and he can't even turn to Bruce or most of his closest friends for help.
Jaime spent two months on mode with the Scarab controlling his every move. Two months being fully aware but unable to do anything but watch as the Reach used him to manipulate and lie to his friends, family, and the general public.
If it makes you feel better, him snarking at the Ambassador for two months and watching him lose his patience probably made his "captivity" somewhat worthwhile.
Bart Allen probably didn't get any formal education as a child (invasion and all that) with the only science he knew being enough to make the time machine, Barry is a forensics scientist who recreated Jay Garrick's lab experiment, and guessing from the rest of the League/the Team's reactions, they didn't know about the excess energy jumping to the speedsters either. In all likelihood, Lex Luthor did, as he was the one who formulated the plan.
Kid Flash, due to his excessive scientific knowledge, probably also knew about the potential side effects. He went into that vortex knowing full well that his slower speed meant he was never going out.
It's also possible that Luthor didn't plan on sacrificing any of the Flashes. The arctic device was hidden, and he most likely didn't know about it and came up with the best plan possible to stop it. Of course it's very unlikely he's shedding tears at Kid Flash dying.
The Scarabs are sentient(at least after be put off mode) meaning Green (and possibly Black) Beetle's scarabs were aware and killed. Particularly bad for Black, as JAIME did it, knowing the implications.
Well, it was either that or let himself and the Scarab die. Maybe that "What have you done?" right afterwards wasn't just horror at the Reach's endgame.
Dr. Fate outright stated that Klarion cannot be held and so it's useless to capture him. By proxy, anyone Klarion is willing to work with, aka the Light and its associates, cannot be held as well if he deigns to get them out. While thankfully it seems that he abandoned the rest of the Light with Vandal, in other circumstances one can't see the Brain or Black Manta being in jail for long. It also could explain any unknown in-series breakout that occurred.
Klarion's powers in general create this. In most of his appearances he's clearly holding back, either because he's been asked to or he just feels like it. Just thinking about what might happen if he ever did get to go hog-wild on a few heroes, or worse, civilians, is terrifying. This is boy who admitted he could destroy the Watchtower by accident after all.
Superboy saying that he's only aging internally (meaning he'll look 16 for his whole life) sounds like Cursed with Awesome. But think about what a strain it is on his organs to be aging and taking on wear and tear and still having to support a young, athletic body. You'd need a doctor to figure out the full ramifications, (and his Kryptonian/Human heritage complicates matters), but at the very least he will be having serious medical problems in future.