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** It's revealed in Episode 33 that Cecil keeps the mirror in station's the men's bathroom covered due to [[spoiler:a weird "flickering" movement that first appeared after he obtained a tape recorder, and which may or may not have hurt him at one point]]. What if he does this with any mirrors in his house as well? And if that's the case, what's the best way to know what you look like without using a mirror again? Oh that's right, photographs.

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** It's revealed in Episode 33 that Cecil keeps the mirror in station's the men's bathroom covered due to [[spoiler:a a weird "flickering" movement that first appeared after he obtained a tape recorder, and which may or may not have hurt him at one point]].point. What if he does this with any mirrors in his house as well? And if that's the case, what's the best way to know what you look like without using a mirror again? Oh that's right, photographs.



* In Episode 25, Carlos says, "Sometimes things seem so strange or malevolent, and then you find that underneath it was something else altogether. Something pure and innocent." This could just be a statement about Carlos' changing attitude towards the entire town, but since [[spoiler:Cecil and Carlos start dating shortly afterward]] it's also an apt metaphor for Carlos discovering that he's misread Cecil's intentions and is no longer conflicted about them.
* Why do we hear so little of [[spoiler: [=StrexCorp's=] takeover]] until episode 36? Because in episode 36, Cecil's new supervisor Daniel has a breakdown and can't exercise his usual editorial authority. [[spoiler: Until Strex shuts the entire station down to reassert control.]]

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* In Episode 25, Carlos says, "Sometimes things seem so strange or malevolent, and then you find that underneath it was something else altogether. Something pure and innocent." This could just be a statement about Carlos' changing attitude towards the entire town, but since [[spoiler:Cecil Cecil and Carlos start dating shortly afterward]] afterward it's also an apt metaphor for Carlos discovering that he's misread Cecil's intentions and is no longer conflicted about them.
* Why do we hear so little of [[spoiler: [=StrexCorp's=] takeover]] takeover until episode 36? Because in episode 36, Cecil's new supervisor Daniel has a breakdown and can't exercise his usual editorial authority. [[spoiler: Until Strex shuts the entire station down to reassert control.]]



* There's a RunningGag that whenever Cecil reads off a list of horoscopes, the one for Scorpio is always extremely hostile. Why the hatred of Scorpios? [[spoiler: According to a tidbit from one of the live shows, Steve Carlsberg is a Scorpio.]] Or perhaps it's the other way around. This seems to be confirmed in "The Promise of Time", which shows that [[spoiler:now that Cecil and Steve Carlsberg have gotten over their differences, the Scorpio horoscopes have suddenly become highly flattering.]]
* Episode 46 [[spoiler: was released on May 1st - a date that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day in many countries]] is traditionally associated with parades and demonstrations against, for instance, "corpocratic regimes", along with calls for unity and solidarity.]]

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* There's a RunningGag that whenever Cecil reads off a list of horoscopes, the one for Scorpio is always extremely hostile. Why the hatred of Scorpios? [[spoiler: According to a tidbit from one of the live shows, Steve Carlsberg is a Scorpio.]] Scorpio. Or perhaps it's the other way around. This seems to be confirmed in "The Promise of Time", which shows that [[spoiler:now now that Cecil and Steve Carlsberg have gotten over their differences, the Scorpio horoscopes have suddenly become highly flattering.]]
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* Episode 46 [[spoiler: was released on May 1st - a date that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day in many countries]] is traditionally associated with parades and demonstrations against, for instance, "corpocratic regimes", along with calls for unity and solidarity.]]



** Incorrect. [[spoiler: In episode 67 it is revealed that people of Night Vale forgot about the mountains because of the hooded figures and even after Strex was defeated they kept denying the existence of Erika.]]
* In Episode 34, during the Computer's monologue about making the world perfect for Megan, it offhandedly mentions that "Desert Bluffs will no longer exist." At first it seems like a callback to the running gag of Night Vale residents hating Desert Bluffs for no real reason, until we find out that [[spoiler: Desert Bluffs is the headquarters of [=StrexCorp=], this universe's manifestation of the Smiling God.]]
** In ''Old Oak Doors'' we also learn that Strex [[spoiler: 'fixes' people with disabilities, which Megan is.]] A perfect world for Megan would be one where she would be happy without having to change at all.
* Carlos' character page mentions that he is occasionally resistant to the phenomena that affect the rest of Night Vale, such as in "Lazy Day." Whatever separates Carlos from native Night Vale citizens in this regard is probably related to [[spoiler: why the old oak doors won't close if he comes back to Night Vale during Episode 49.]]

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** Incorrect. [[spoiler: In episode 67 it is revealed that people of Night Vale forgot about the mountains because of the hooded figures and even after Strex was defeated they kept denying the existence of Erika.]]
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* In Episode 34, during the Computer's monologue about making the world perfect for Megan, it offhandedly mentions that "Desert Bluffs will no longer exist." At first it seems like a callback to the running gag of Night Vale residents hating Desert Bluffs for no real reason, until we find out that [[spoiler: Desert Bluffs is the headquarters of [=StrexCorp=], this universe's manifestation of the Smiling God.]]
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** In ''Old Oak Doors'' we also learn that Strex [[spoiler: 'fixes' people with disabilities, which Megan is.]] is. A perfect world for Megan would be one where she would be happy without having to change at all.
* Carlos' character page mentions that he is occasionally resistant to the phenomena that affect the rest of Night Vale, such as in "Lazy Day." Whatever separates Carlos from native Night Vale citizens in this regard is probably related to [[spoiler: why the old oak doors won't close if he comes back to Night Vale during Episode 49.]]



* In "Yellow Helicopters", Old Woman Josie tells Cecil [[BarrierMaiden "If I fall, so does this town."]] In season 5, [[spoiler:her failing health and subsequent death heralds the shattering of the barriers between realities.]]
** And why was Old Woman Josie so important? Well, "Matryoshka" shows that [[spoiler:the way to restore the barriers between realities was for the Night Vale citizens to acknowledge the odd aspects of their town which they had been ignoring before. Old Woman Josie acknowledging the existence of the angels was what held Night Vale's reality together somewhat, and when she died, everything started falling apart until Cecil and others started doing the same.]]

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* In "Yellow Helicopters", Old Woman Josie tells Cecil [[BarrierMaiden "If I fall, so does this town."]] In season 5, [[spoiler:her her failing health and subsequent death heralds the shattering of the barriers between realities.]]
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** And why was Old Woman Josie so important? Well, "Matryoshka" shows that [[spoiler:the the way to restore the barriers between realities was for the Night Vale citizens to acknowledge the odd aspects of their town which they had been ignoring before. Old Woman Josie acknowledging the existence of the angels was what held Night Vale's reality together somewhat, and when she died, everything started falling apart until Cecil and others started doing the same.]]



* In episode 37, there is a Police auction of seized goods and Lot 37 is [[spoiler: Cecil Palmer, who is]] bought by an unknown person (or persons). How on earth did Lot 37 end up as seized goods? This implies that[[spoiler: Cecil]] was owned previously, without [[spoiler: his knowledge]].

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* In episode 37, there is a Police auction of seized goods and Lot 37 is [[spoiler: Cecil Palmer, who is]] is bought by an unknown person (or persons). How on earth did Lot 37 end up as seized goods? This implies that[[spoiler: Cecil]] that Cecil was owned previously, without [[spoiler: his knowledge]].knowledge.



* If you listen closely to Kevin and Steve Carlsberg's conversation in Episode 49, you can hear what sounds like a young lady whimpering in pain. Considering what Kevin says about [[spoiler: "fixing" the wheelchair bound Janice,]] and what seemingly harmless terms tend to mean in [[CrapsaccharineWorld Desert Bluffs]], this seems to suggest that this [[spoiler: "fixing"]] is extremely painful, if not torturous.

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* If you listen closely to Kevin and Steve Carlsberg's conversation in Episode 49, you can hear what sounds like a young lady whimpering in pain. Considering what Kevin says about [[spoiler: "fixing" the wheelchair bound Janice,]] Janice, and what seemingly harmless terms tend to mean in [[CrapsaccharineWorld Desert Bluffs]], this seems to suggest that this [[spoiler: "fixing"]] "fixing" is extremely painful, if not torturous.



* Dana's family reacting with terror when she suddenly appears in the future at her brother's birthday party (where her future self was already in attendance) in Episode 44 seems much more deserved after [[spoiler:an alternate timeline version of Dana severs several of her mother's fingers and threatens to kill her brother in Episodes 128 and 129]].

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* Dana's family reacting with terror when she suddenly appears in the future at her brother's birthday party (where her future self was already in attendance) in Episode 44 seems much more deserved after [[spoiler:an an alternate timeline version of Dana severs several of her mother's fingers and threatens to kill her brother in Episodes 128 and 129]].129.
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* Dana's family reacting with terror when she suddenly appears in the future at her brother's birthday party (where her future self was already in attendance) in Episode 44 seems much more deserved after [[spoiler:an alternate timeline version of Dana severs several of her mother's fingers and threatens to kill her brother in Episodes 128 and 129]].
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** And why was Old Woman Josie so important? Well, "Matryoshka" shows that [[spoiler:the way to restore the barriers between realities was for the Night Vale citizens to acknowledge the odd aspects of their town which they had been ignoring before. Old Woman Josie acknowledging the existence of the angels was what held Night Vale's reality together somewhat, and when she died, everything started falling apart until Cecil and others started doing the same.]]
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* The events of A Carnival Comes to Town are both funny and this. GenreSavvy aside, the automatic response to assume anything new is a threat is kind of justified considering [[CrapsackWorld how Night]] [[ParanoiaFuel Vale is.]]

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* The events of A Carnival Comes to Town are both funny and this. GenreSavvy aside, becomes a little more this when you consider how the automatic response of the townspeople to assume anything new is a threat is kind of rather justified considering [[CrapsackWorld how Night]] [[ParanoiaFuel Vale is.]]
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* The events of A Carnival Comes to Town are both funny and this. GenreSavvy aside, the automatic response to assume anything new is a threat is kind of justified considering [[CrapsackWorld how Night]] [[ParanoiaFuel Vale is.]]
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* There's a RunningGag that whenever Cecil reads off a list of horoscopes, the one for Scorpio is always extremely hostile. Why the hatred of Scorpios? [[spoiler: According to a tidbit from one of the live shows, Steve Carlsberg is a Scorpio.]] Or perhaps it's the other way around.

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* There's a RunningGag that whenever Cecil reads off a list of horoscopes, the one for Scorpio is always extremely hostile. Why the hatred of Scorpios? [[spoiler: According to a tidbit from one of the live shows, Steve Carlsberg is a Scorpio.]] Or perhaps it's the other way around. This seems to be confirmed in "The Promise of Time", which shows that [[spoiler:now that Cecil and Steve Carlsberg have gotten over their differences, the Scorpio horoscopes have suddenly become highly flattering.]]
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* In "Wheat and Wheat Byproducts" the city council were prepared for the crisis due to prophecy, how do the citizens of Nightveil get rid of the Good Boy and his Strangers? By making them go into the dog park whose purpouse Cecil isn't supposed to talk about. So maybe city council had a prophecy about needing to build the dog park and it was a ChekovsGun the whole time.

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* In "Wheat and Wheat Byproducts" the city council were prepared for the crisis due to prophecy, how do the citizens of Nightveil get rid of the Good Boy and his Strangers? By making them go into the dog park whose purpouse Cecil isn't supposed to talk about. So maybe city council had a prophecy about needing to build the dog park and it was a ChekovsGun ChekhovsGun the whole time.
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* In "Wheat and Wheat Byproducts" the city council were prepared for the crisis due to prophecy, how do the citizens of Nightveil get rid of the Good Boy and his Strangers? By making them go into the dog park whose purpouse Cecil isn't supposed to talk about. So maybe city council had a prophecy about needing to build the dog park and it was a ChekovsGun the whole time.

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* In "Yellow Helicopters", Old Woman Josie tells Cecil [[BarrierMaiden "If I fall, so does this town."]] In season 5, [[spoiler:her failing health and subsequent death heralds the shattering of the barriers between realities.]]

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* In episode 6, The Drawbridge, Cecil reads off a list of horoscopes for the day. Scorpios apparently did something pretty bad, because the entire horoscope is Cecil cursing them and their families in a positively poisonous voice. Why the hatred of Scorpios? [[spoiler: According to a tidbit from one of the live shows, Steve Carlsberg is a Scorpio.]] Or perhaps it's the other way around.

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* In episode 6, The Drawbridge, There's a RunningGag that whenever Cecil reads off a list of horoscopes horoscopes, the one for the day. Scorpios apparently did something pretty bad, because the entire horoscope Scorpio is Cecil cursing them and their families in a positively poisonous voice.always extremely hostile. Why the hatred of Scorpios? [[spoiler: According to a tidbit from one of the live shows, Steve Carlsberg is a Scorpio.]] Or perhaps it's the other way around.

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Fridge Horror is something that requires afterthought to realize it's scary or unsettling. Not something that's already scary or unsettling on its surface, unless the afterthought makes it significantly more scary (as a trend the show usually Lampshades a lot of the horror implications, making most of it not Fridge). Also, Repair Dont Respond—if it's invalid or contradicted by later information, just remove it.


* In episode 32, Cecil ends the broadcast on a rather alarming note: [[spoiler: [=StrexCorp=] has bought Night Vale Community Radio and seems to be invading Night Vale]]. Cecil says that "everything is perfectly...[[BlatantLies safe]]", sounding more uncertain and nervous than he's been since ''The Sandstorm'' part B. And the worst part? His closing statements:
-->''[[ColdBloodedTorture Stay tuned next for the sound of slow, steady dripping with occasional screams...]]''
* In episode 33, Cecil finds some cassette tapes he made as a teenager, which he doesn't remember making. They reveal, among other things, that he once had a brother, that he interned at NVCR, and that his mother and brother vanished shortly after he started at the radio station. Adult Cecil had no recollection of any of this, and--genuinely unnerved--destroyed the cassette.
** It's also stated in this episode that [[spoiler: Cecil was prophesied to become the radio host.]] This makes you wonder what would have happened if he didn't have any interest in radio.
* [[MayorPain Pamela Winchell]] in general. She's completely and dangerously insane, disturbingly violent, she apparently [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures people]] for ''no reason''...and Night Vale ''voted her into office.'' This can't simply be a case of "oh, Night Vale's just that weird". Night Vale may be an EldritchLocation, but its citizens aren't so far gone that they'll permit ''everything'' and even they think that Mayor Winchell is nuts. Not to mention that Hiram [=McDaniels=] and The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Your House are reasonable candidates with very good ideas, so if Winchell ran against someone then it shouldn't have been a problem of whether or not her opponent was bad, unless her opponent was ''worse''. What could possibly have happened to get the citizens of Night Vale to elect a madwoman into office?
** More or less explained with the discovery that mayoral elections don't actually matter in Night Vale - votes aren't really sorted and the mayor is decided by decoding light pulses from the gorge.
*** And it's been mentioned early on that "incorrect voters" get spirited away.
* In ''The Sandstorm'', Kevin notes that the Night Vale recording studio is "odd and bloodless". Cecil is horrified that the Desert Bluffs station is full of blood and gore. Is Desert Bluffs' studio normally bloody?
** Another instance in Episode 47, when [[spoiler:Kevin takes over the studio]]. He calls in some [[RedShirt interns]] to help him redecorate. [[spoiler: Those interns are most definitely dead and spread out all over the Night Vale studio.]]
* In episode 37, there is a Police auction of seized goods and Lot 37 is [[spoiler: Cecil Palmer, who is]] bought by an unknown person (or persons). It is allowed to happen and no-one points out that this is [[spoiler: human trafficking / [[ASlaveToTheIndex slavery]]]]!
** On a further note, how on earth did Lot 37 end up as seized goods? Unless [[spoiler: Cecil]] was owned previously.

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* In episode 32, Cecil ends the broadcast on a rather alarming note: [[spoiler: [=StrexCorp=] has bought Night Vale Community Radio and seems to be invading Night Vale]]. Cecil says that "everything is perfectly...[[BlatantLies safe]]", sounding more uncertain and nervous than he's been since ''The Sandstorm'' part B. And the worst part? His closing statements:
-->''[[ColdBloodedTorture Stay tuned next for the sound of slow, steady dripping with occasional screams...]]''
* In episode 33, Cecil finds some cassette tapes he made as a teenager, which he doesn't remember making. They reveal, among other things, that he once had a brother, that he interned at NVCR, and that his mother and brother vanished shortly after he started at the radio station. Adult Cecil had no recollection of any of this, and--genuinely unnerved--destroyed the cassette.
** It's also stated in this episode that [[spoiler: Cecil was prophesied to become the radio host.]] This makes you wonder what would have happened if he didn't have any interest in radio.
* [[MayorPain Pamela Winchell]] in general. She's completely and dangerously insane, disturbingly violent, she apparently [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures people]] for ''no reason''...and Night Vale ''voted her into office.'' This can't simply be a case of "oh, Night Vale's just that weird". Night Vale may be an EldritchLocation, but its citizens aren't so far gone that they'll permit ''everything'' and even they think that Mayor Winchell is nuts. Not to mention that Hiram [=McDaniels=] and The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Your House are reasonable candidates with very good ideas, so if Winchell ran against someone then it shouldn't have been a problem of whether or not her opponent was bad, unless her opponent was ''worse''. What could possibly have happened to get the citizens of Night Vale to elect a madwoman into office?
** More or less explained with the discovery that mayoral elections don't actually matter in Night Vale - votes aren't really sorted and the mayor is decided by decoding light pulses from the gorge.
*** And it's been mentioned early on that "incorrect voters" get spirited away.
* In ''The Sandstorm'', Kevin notes that the Night Vale recording studio is "odd and bloodless". Cecil is horrified that the Desert Bluffs station is full of blood and gore. Is Desert Bluffs' studio normally bloody?
** Another instance in Episode 47, when [[spoiler:Kevin takes over the studio]]. He calls in some [[RedShirt interns]] to help him redecorate. [[spoiler: Those interns are most definitely dead and spread out all over the Night Vale studio.]]
* In episode 37, there is a Police auction of seized goods and Lot 37 is [[spoiler: Cecil Palmer, who is]] bought by an unknown person (or persons). It is allowed to happen and no-one points out that this is [[spoiler: human trafficking / [[ASlaveToTheIndex slavery]]]]!
** On a further note, how
How on earth did Lot 37 end up as seized goods? Unless [[spoiler: This implies that[[spoiler: Cecil]] was owned previously.previously, without [[spoiler: his knowledge]].



*** At the end of the episode, the secret police declares the auction a success and show the auction audience their new pinata. So did everyone start bashing on an atomic bomb with sticks? It's a wonder the town has existed this long without suffering the same fate as their sister city in 1983.
* A slightly more humorous example, but think about it; the Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Your Home complains about you never clearing your internet history. There's a good chance that she has SEEN your internet history. You should probably be more careful what you look up, lest she find something...[[TheInternetIsForPorn not so savory]].
* When Cecil finally found something weird to report on that something acted suspiciously catlike (vibrating (purring) when touched etc.) but if that was a cat... what the heck is floating in the bathroom? And what the heck is understood under ''cat'' in Night Vale? (Even weirder/scarier if you consider that they have internet access.)
** In fact, Cecil was gushing over viral cat videos in an earlier episode and didn't comment at all on the lack of back ridges.



* Also in episode 48-Kevin discusses his personal enjoyment for the "rush starting a new job gives you," which is standard for the work-happy [=StrexCorp=] employees. That is, until we hear him go into detail about the joy when new employers [[AdultFear kidnap and sedate you, at any given time and in any given place, driving in random directions until you're eventually taken to your new office.]] How exactly does [=StrexCorp=] recruit people?



* Despite the increasing role of Desert Bluffs and its inhabitants, notably Cecil's counterpart [[EvilTwin Kevin]], there has been no mention of a counterpart for Carlos. Considering the [[StepfordSuburbia nature]] of Desert Bluffs, it's likely that they would not take very well to an [[NaiveNewcomer outsider scientist]] [[HeKnowsTooMuch poking around their secrets]]. So assuming that there is a counterpart to Carlos, and assuming that he has the same career (as with Kevin and Cecil), he is probably imprisoned or dead.
** First of all, Cecil seems to be the only person with a counterpart in Desert Bluff. All the dopplegangers from Sandstorm were not from Desert Bluffs (hence Dana can't tell if she's the clone or not) and there has never been any mention of any other counterparts. Secondly, Carlos isn't from Night Vale (this is a pretty big plot point by the end) so even if they had counterparts, Carlos might not. And even if Carlos did have one, since Kevin is the ''only'' Desert Bluff counterpart that gets mentioned, Carlos's counterpart could still be in Desert Bluffs and just never gets mentioned because he's not important to the story.
*** Not so. There's Lawrence Levine on the edge of town development as counterpart of Larry Leroy, out on the edge of town, and mayor Pablo Mitchell, counterpart of mayor Pamela Winchell, and as of Triptych, Grandma Josephine for Old Woman Josie.



* The September Monologues reveals that Steve Carlsburg somehow has knowledge that no one else has access to, seemingly coming from the stars. Before Kevin interrupted them in Old Oak Doors Part B, Steve was accusing Carlos of being a spy. Could Steve be right?
** Then again, he also thinks the Smiling God is a secret underground missile testing site. It might not be a good idea to take his claim of secret knowledge at face value
* In "Old Oak Doors Part B", Kevin talks about how "Even the ones that resisted the most at first soon found that they loved the Smiling God more than anyone. Even the most resistant of ''radio hosts'' soon found his way to productive work, happy songs, and a wide, gaping smile." It is heavily implied that Kevin used to ''resist [[spoiler: [=StrexCorp=]]]'' but was somehow ''forced'' into it.
** [[spoiler: Confirmed in "Triptych". Kevin was extremely similar to Cecil before [=StrexCorp=] took over his town.]] The details of what they did to him are still FridgeHorror worthy.
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** In ''Old Oak Doors'' we also learn that Strex [[spoiler: 'fixes' people with disabilities, which Megan is]] a perfect world for Megan would be one where she would be happy without having to change at all.

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** In ''Old Oak Doors'' we also learn that Strex [[spoiler: 'fixes' people with disabilities, which Megan is]] a perfect world for Megan would be one where she would be happy without having to change at all.
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**Incorrect. [[spoiler: In episode 67 it is revealed that people of Night Vale forgot about the mountains because of the hooded figures and even after Strex was defeated they kept denying the existence of Erika.]]

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