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Fridge: The Devil Wears Prada
  • In The Devil Wears Prada, Miranda is a woman in her mid fifties (maybe even 60s) who somehow has 10 year old kids. The reason why would be because her obsessive focus on work carried over into her personal life, which is why she can't stay married and why she had children so late in life.
    • Wait, what? Miranda "somehow" has ten-year-old children? What exactly is it that you find surprising/puzzling about this fact? Some women choose to wait a while to have children, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that choice. Also, there's no evidence at all that Miranda would have preferred to have children when she was younger instead. Really it's doubtful if she would have had time for them then, considering she was just starting out as an editor.
      • I think the somehow part comes into play because Miranda would have had to get pregnant in her late forties and possibly older in order to have ten-year-old kids. It's not impossible but it's certainly harder than having children at a young age. Judging her or not has nothing to do with the biological fact that many women who want to have children later in life have difficulty with it and need fertility treatment.
      • The implication in the original comment was that Miranda wanted to stay in her earlier marriages, or wanted to have children earlier in life. There's no evidence at all for that in canon, so I can only assume the author of the original comment simply assumed that Miranda would have wanted those things because women are generally believed to want them. FYI, not all of us do, and that's a pretty sexist assumption to make.
      • 8 The issue here is not women's choices but the biological clock. It is not impossible for a woman in her late forties to have a child but it's risky for her and the infant(s). A surrogate mother might be indicated.
    • Also, am I the only person who's ever noticed that this trope (of the workaholic who focuses on their job to the exclusion of their friends/family/marriage) is always a woman? That men are never discouraged from being ambitious or from working hard, or criticized or judged for doing so? This trope has very sexist implications, and I find it really disturbing that you seem to be seconding them. In the words of the film itself, "If Miranda were a man, no one would notice anything except how good she is at her job."
      • It's easier physically for a man, and there's really no set time limit for a man, which means men aren't really making a decision on it
      • There is absolutely nothing about Miranda's job which would be easier for a man to do, physically or otherwise. And as for your remark about a "time limit," if you're saying you think women leave their jobs when they get married or when they have kids, that's true only of a small (and rapidly shrinking) minority of women. Also, an increasing number of men are now choosing to leave their jobs when they become parents. Your remarks are incredibly sexist, backward and totally uncool.
      • I don't know about that. I can definitely think of examples for male workaholics that focus on their job to the detriment of their family and kids — When You Coming Home, Dad? actually skews male. I do think women are more certain to get blasted for having ambition while for some men it can be a "forgivable" trait, so a workaholic guy may or may not actually neglect his family but a workaholic woman probably will.
      • That depends on what counts as neglect. In society, especially American society, it is still seen as neglectful for a women not to be a stay at home mother. It's a bit more subtle now, but it's illustrated in media as a "Workaholic" (It's much easier for a woman to get that title than a man, since with a man ambition is seen as the norm) mother who will miss one or two soccer games and by the end of the film and see the "error" of her ways. By the end of the film the woman will always choose to adjust her schedule or downright quit her job completely and choose to stay at home. It is seen in this film as well, with Andy choosing the less well-paying, but also less morally ambiguous job. However her boyfriend is "positively" ambitious, takes on the higher paying job, and completely relocates. It is made clear that Andy will adjust her life to fit his needs. With When You Coming Home, Dad?, the level of neglect has to be higher for it to matter. The dad will have to miss almost every family event, be missing from dinner at least 3 times a week, etc. for it to even count as neglect. And even then, there is sometimes an Aesop about how the father has to work hard to feed and support the family, so the neglect is a necessary evil. This is an aspect that's never seen with an ambitious female character. So the effect is that the viewer feels that for women Ambition Is Evil, and that enjoying and working hard move up in your career, even if that means missing out on some important family events, is neglect.
      • Well, assuming that they pick a partner only when they're ready for it- if they're assuming they will have children with the partner they've been with since college, it can be a problem. (And sometimes even if they're not- old men aren't quite as fertile as young men, and there's the whole deal about whether they can get a younger partner the minute they decide that that's what they want...) 'Course, the other decision is that men don't have to take extended leave from work to have a child (so you'd think they wouldn't give that reason to put it off, but many do)
    • Let's throw this Fridge Brilliance in a slightly different direction. It's not unlikely that Miranda would have undergone fertility treatment due to both her age and workaholic tendencies to get pregnant. Women who utilize fertility treatment to get pregnant frequently end up with more than one child.

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