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*** You only actually kill the heart in Riki's scenario. And in Riki's scenario, it is clear that everyone inside Tanzer made it out. Less clear is what happens to Tanzer's corpse, but it might have just been left adrift in the dimensional sea.
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*** You only actually kill the heart in Riki's scenario. And in Riki's scenario, it is clear that everyone inside Tanzer made it out. Less clear is what happens to Tanzer's corpse, but it might have just been left adrift in the dimensional sea.sea.
** Asellus' Half-Mystic Ending: [[spoiler:All right, so Asellus decided to wander the realms and makes it a yearly habit to visit Gina to keep her humanity in check. So, Gina grows old and eventually will pass away. So, without her MoralityPet living, unless Asellus could keep up making new true friends aside of Gina... maybe it's only a matter of time until her humanity starts to rot away and she would succumb to the dark side like her Full-Mystic Ending...]]
** Asellus' Half-Mystic Ending: [[spoiler:All right, so Asellus decided to wander the realms and makes it a yearly habit to visit Gina to keep her humanity in check. So, Gina grows old and eventually will pass away. So, without her MoralityPet living, unless Asellus could keep up making new true friends aside of Gina... maybe it's only a matter of time until her humanity starts to rot away and she would succumb to the dark side like her Full-Mystic Ending...]]
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** Asellus' Half-Mystic Ending being considered canon can explain on why she appears in other scenarios. After her deal with Orlouge, she could simply just take a ride on Cygnus as a part of 'wandering the Earth' with White Rose, or getting involved with Trinity and eventually Emelia and Gradius without Emelia having to encounter Asellus' pursuers (Asellus is also considerably less angsty in other routes). If she doesn't recognize Emelia, probably because canon-wise, she didn't take the Arcane quests during her own story.
** Likewise, Emelia's Bad Ending seemed also connect more easily than the rest (or at least what happened in ''Essence'' where she saved Ren but broke up with him). There was no more mentions of Ren anywhere else, so probably he died by Emelia. In other quests, she's seen in Baccarat as a bunny girl because that feels like what she could do afterwards (Soldieress required her to fight, that's against Roufas' order, she's personally against being a belly dancer, and the Shingrow tournament doesn't always happen every day), so after Emelia's quest is over, she became a bunny girl that eventually provides everyone else with the Gold Card quest. And if by any chance she met Roufas, Annie and Liza again, they don't interact anymore because that was her deal with Roufas: She is to pretend that she never worked with Gradius, so she had to treat them as strangers.
** This assumes the scenarios occur one after another and not concurrently. It makes much more sense for Shelly's to meet Red and Emelia while on the run from Proliferation, and for Emelia to meet up with tarot quarters while on her second mission.
** Likewise, Emelia's Bad Ending seemed also connect more easily than the rest (or at least what happened in ''Essence'' where she saved Ren but broke up with him). There was no more mentions of Ren anywhere else, so probably he died by Emelia. In other quests, she's seen in Baccarat as a bunny girl because that feels like what she could do afterwards (Soldieress required her to fight, that's against Roufas' order, she's personally against being a belly dancer, and the Shingrow tournament doesn't always happen every day), so after Emelia's quest is over, she became a bunny girl that eventually provides everyone else with the Gold Card quest. And if by any chance she met Roufas, Annie and Liza again, they don't interact anymore because that was her deal with Roufas: She is to pretend that she never worked with Gradius, so she had to treat them as strangers.
** This assumes the scenarios occur one after another and not concurrently. It makes much more sense for Shelly's to meet Red and Emelia while on the run from Proliferation, and for Emelia to meet up with tarot quarters while on her second mission.
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** Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged monster.
*** Actually, that's not true. According to [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/198537-saga-frontier/faqs/22099 this FAQ]], Essence states that Rouge obtained Space magic peacefully, but was banished from Paradise for his rudeness.
*** Actually, that's not true. According to [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/198537-saga-frontier/faqs/22099 this FAQ]], Essence states that Rouge obtained Space magic peacefully, but was banished from Paradise for his rudeness.
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** This assumes the scenarios occur one after another and not concurrently. It makes much more sense for Shelly's to meet Red and Emelia while on the run from Proliferation, and for Emelia to meet up with tarot quarters while on her second mission.
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** Likewise, Emelia's Bad Ending seemed also connect more easily than the rest (or at least what happened in ''Essence'' where she saved Ren but broke up with him). There was no more mentions of Ren anywhere else, so probably he died by Emelia. In other quests, she's seen in Baccarat as a bunny girl because that feels like what she could do afterwards (Soldieress required her to fight, that's against Roufas' order, she's personally against being a belly dancer, and the Shingrow tournament doesn't always happen every day), so after Emelia's quest is over, she became a bunny girl that eventually provides everyone else with the Gold Card quest. And if by any chance she met Roufas, Annie and Liza again, they don't interact anymore because that was her deal with Roufas: She is to pretend that she never worked with Gradius, so she had to treat them as strangers.
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** Asellus' Half-Mystic Ending being considered canon can explain on why she appears in other scenarios. After her deal with Orlouge, she could simply just take a ride on Cygnus as a part of 'wandering the Earth' with White Rose, or getting involved with Trinity and eventually Emelia and Gradius without Emelia having to encounter Asellus' pursuers (Asellus is also considerably less angsty in other routes). If she doesn't recognize Emelia, probably because canon-wise, she didn't take the Arcane quests.
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** Asellus' Half-Mystic Ending being considered canon can explain on why she appears in other scenarios. After her deal with Orlouge, she could simply just take a ride on Cygnus as a part of 'wandering the Earth' with White Rose, or getting involved with Trinity and eventually Emelia and Gradius without Emelia having to encounter Asellus' pursuers (Asellus is also considerably less angsty in other routes). If she doesn't recognize Emelia, probably because canon-wise, she didn't take the Arcane quests.quests during her own story.
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* FridgeBrilliance for me. According to [[AllThereInTheManual Essence]], Ildon and Rastaban are lovers, right? For the longest time I thought this tidbit of information was purely for the HoYay, but only recently did I realize that it'd be nearly impossible for Ildon or Rastaban to hook up with (mystic) women even if they wanted to. The Charm Lord hoards them all (and has them under his spell to boot)! It makes perfect sense that all they have for intimacy is eachother! -MPEFF
* FridgeBrilliance: Mesarthim's an ExtremeDoormat. Of ''course'' she'll have an ability that allows her to [[CastFromHitPoints sacrifice her own LP to restore the rest of the party]].
* FridgeBrilliance: The Type ''5'' Mec party member is named after the Panzerkampfwagen ''V''.
* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged monster.
** Actually, that's not true. According to [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/198537-saga-frontier/faqs/22099 this FAQ]], Essence states that Rouge obtained Space magic peacefully, but was banished from Paradise for his rudeness.
* FridgeHorror: The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within and without.
* FridgeBrilliance: Mesarthim's an ExtremeDoormat. Of ''course'' she'll have an ability that allows her to [[CastFromHitPoints sacrifice her own LP to restore the rest of the party]].
* FridgeBrilliance: The Type ''5'' Mec party member is named after the Panzerkampfwagen ''V''.
* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged monster.
** Actually, that's not true. According to [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/198537-saga-frontier/faqs/22099 this FAQ]], Essence states that Rouge obtained Space magic peacefully, but was banished from Paradise for his rudeness.
* FridgeHorror: The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within and without.
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* FridgeBrilliance for me. FridgeBrilliance
** According to [[AllThereInTheManual Essence]], Ildon and Rastaban are lovers, right? For the longest time I thought this tidbit of information was purely for the HoYay, but only recently did I realize that it'd be nearly impossible for Ildon or Rastaban to hook up with (mystic) women even if they wanted to. The Charm Lord hoards them all (and has them under his spell to boot)! It makes perfect sense that all they have for intimacy is eachother! -MPEFF
* FridgeBrilliance: ** Mesarthim's an ExtremeDoormat. Of ''course'' she'll have an ability that allows her to [[CastFromHitPoints sacrifice her own LP to restore the rest of the party]].
* FridgeBrilliance: ** The Type ''5'' Mec party member is named after the Panzerkampfwagen ''V''.
** Asellus' Half-Mystic Ending being considered canon can explain on why she appears in other scenarios. After her deal with Orlouge, she could simply just take a ride on Cygnus as a part of 'wandering the Earth' with White Rose, or getting involved with Trinity and eventually Emelia and Gradius without Emelia having to encounter Asellus' pursuers (Asellus is also considerably less angsty in other routes). If she doesn't recognize Emelia, probably because canon-wise, she didn't take the Arcane quests.
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** Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged monster.
** *** Actually, that's not true. According to [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/198537-saga-frontier/faqs/22099 this FAQ]], Essence states that Rouge obtained Space magic peacefully, but was banished from Paradise for his rudeness.
* FridgeHorror: ** The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within and without.
** According to [[AllThereInTheManual Essence]], Ildon and Rastaban are lovers, right? For the longest time I thought this tidbit of information was purely for the HoYay, but only recently did I realize that it'd be nearly impossible for Ildon or Rastaban to hook up with (mystic) women even if they wanted to. The Charm Lord hoards them all (and has them under his spell to boot)! It makes perfect sense that all they have for intimacy is eachother! -MPEFF
** Asellus' Half-Mystic Ending being considered canon can explain on why she appears in other scenarios. After her deal with Orlouge, she could simply just take a ride on Cygnus as a part of 'wandering the Earth' with White Rose, or getting involved with Trinity and eventually Emelia and Gradius without Emelia having to encounter Asellus' pursuers (Asellus is also considerably less angsty in other routes). If she doesn't recognize Emelia, probably because canon-wise, she didn't take the Arcane quests.
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** Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged monster.
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* FridgeBrilliance: The Type ''5'' Mec party member is named after the Panzerkampfwagen ''V''.
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** To be fair, you only actually kill the heart in Riki's scenario.
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** To be fair, you You only actually kill the heart in Riki's scenario.scenario. And in Riki's scenario, it is clear that everyone inside Tanzer made it out. Less clear is what happens to Tanzer's corpse, but it might have just been left adrift in the dimensional sea.
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* How can Mesarthim, a mermaid, wear boots?
* Why does Charm Lord, a powerful and more or less immortal Mystic, need a successor?
** It could very well be a Mystic Lord status thing. [[StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] wrote extensively about how a disciple might kill you. But also insisted you must have one, or else you are a master of nothing. The better he trains his successor, the more talented and powerful a leader it makes him appear.
* Why does Charm Lord, a powerful and more or less immortal Mystic, need a successor?
** It could very well be a Mystic Lord status thing. [[StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] wrote extensively about how a disciple might kill you. But also insisted you must have one, or else you are a master of nothing. The better he trains his successor, the more talented and powerful a leader it makes him appear.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Mesarthim's an ExtremeDoormat. Of ''course'' she'll have an ability that allows her to [[CastFromHitPoints sacrifice her own LP to restore the rest of the party]].
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* FridgeHorror: The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within and without.
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** Actually, that's not true. According to [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/198537-saga-frontier/faqs/22099 this FAQ]], Essence states that Rouge obtained Space magic peacefully, but was banished from Paradise for his rudeness.
* FridgeHorror: The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within andwithout.without.
** To be fair, you only actually kill the heart in Riki's scenario.
* FridgeHorror: The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within and
** To be fair, you only actually kill the heart in Riki's scenario.
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* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged monster.
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* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged monster.monster.
* FridgeHorror: The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within and without.
* FridgeHorror: The InferredHolocaust of the Tanzer scenario, which has a random chance of occurring when you try to go from one location to another via airship. A beast called Tanzer swallows the airship whole, and that's how you discover that there is a small group of people trying to survive inside of it. Well, what happens when you "complete" the scenario by killing Tanzer's heart? Most likely, the monster would collapse to the ground somewhere, causing untold injury and destruction within and without.
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* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he murdered Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged CompleteMonster.
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* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he murdered killed Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged CompleteMonster.monster.
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* FridgeBrilliance for me. According to [[AllThereInTheManual Essence]], Ildon and Rastaban are lovers, right? For the longest time I thought this tidbit of information was purely for the HoYay, but only recently did I realize that it'd be nearly impossible for Ildon or Rastaban to hook up with (mystic) women even if they wanted to. The Charm Lord hoards them all (and has them under his spell to boot)! It makes perfect sense that all they have for intimacy is eachother! -MPEFF
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* FridgeBrilliance for me. According to [[AllThereInTheManual Essence]], Ildon and Rastaban are lovers, right? For the longest time I thought this tidbit of information was purely for the HoYay, but only recently did I realize that it'd be nearly impossible for Ildon or Rastaban to hook up with (mystic) women even if they wanted to. The Charm Lord hoards them all (and has them under his spell to boot)! It makes perfect sense that all they have for intimacy is eachother! -MPEFF-MPEFF
* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he murdered Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged CompleteMonster.
* FridgeHorror: Canonically, Rouge obtained Time magic and he did so relatively peacefully without killing anyone. This means that Blue learned Space magic, and as we know, he murdered Kylin in the process. This means that [[NoOntologicalInertia Kylin's whole realm was destroyed]] and all the children who inhabited it were all killed. Blue ceases to merely be a selfish and [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] {{Jerkass}} and becomes a full fledged CompleteMonster.
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** It could very well be a Mystic Lord status thing. [[StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] wrote extensively about how a disciple might kill you. But also insisted you must have one, or else you are a master of nothing.
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** It could very well be a Mystic Lord status thing. [[StarWars Emperor Palpatine]] wrote extensively about how a disciple might kill you. But also insisted you must have one, or else you are a master of nothing. The better he trains his successor, the more talented and powerful a leader it makes him appear.
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Turns out it depends on how long the fight takes you. She only gets eaten if you take too many turns.
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* Why does Charm Lord, a powerful and more or less immortal Mystic, need a successor?successor?
* FridgeBrilliance for me. According to [[AllThereInTheManual Essence]], Ildon and Rastaban are lovers, right? For the longest time I thought this tidbit of information was purely for the HoYay, but only recently did I realize that it'd be nearly impossible for Ildon or Rastaban to hook up with (mystic) women even if they wanted to. The Charm Lord hoards them all (and has them under his spell to boot)! It makes perfect sense that all they have for intimacy is eachother! -MPEFF
* FridgeBrilliance for me. According to [[AllThereInTheManual Essence]], Ildon and Rastaban are lovers, right? For the longest time I thought this tidbit of information was purely for the HoYay, but only recently did I realize that it'd be nearly impossible for Ildon or Rastaban to hook up with (mystic) women even if they wanted to. The Charm Lord hoards them all (and has them under his spell to boot)! It makes perfect sense that all they have for intimacy is eachother! -MPEFF