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* The Charter bloodlines are the answer to everything. How does Kerrigor have so much power? Power enough to actually ''break'' Kibeth and Saraneth when he needs to, power to set about ''breaking [[TheForce the Charter]],'' and nearly succeeding? Because he himself is one of the Great Charters -- the Royal bloodline. He is tied to the Charter itself, so if anyone ''can'' break it, it'll be one of the family. (In which case, Chlorr's story will be extremely interesting...)
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* The Charter bloodlines are the answer to everything. How does Kerrigor have so much power? Power enough to actually ''break'' Kibeth and Saraneth when he needs to, power to set about ''breaking [[TheForce [[BackgroundMagicField the Charter]],'' and nearly succeeding? Because he himself is one of the Great Charters -- the Royal bloodline. He is tied to the Charter itself, so if anyone ''can'' break it, it'll be one of the family. (In which case, Chlorr's story will be extremely interesting...)
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* Here's another idea, if Sabriel did not return to Life, the enemies of the Kingdom would've really come out of the woodwork. With no active Abhorsen, there would be no one to lay the dead to rest. At least one of them would've unleashed the Ninth Bright Shiner long before Lirael would've been old enough (Hedge can't be his first servant). Any decent organized enemy could've attack the Glacier and killed her or enough of the Clayr to weaken them so they couldn't aid further.
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* Here's another idea, if Sabriel did not return to Life, the enemies of the Kingdom would've really come out of the woodwork. With no active Abhorsen, there would be no one to lay the dead to rest. At least one of them would've unleashed the Ninth Bright Shiner long before Lirael would've been old enough (Hedge can't be his first servant). Any decent organized enemy could've attack the Glacier and killed her or enough of the Clayr to weaken them so they couldn't aid further.
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** Another possible explanation: The Abhorsen spirits might have thought that the Arielle's child was destined to be a great Clayr. The Clayr had never once Saw anything about Lirael's future (until the vision of her at the Red Lake), so obviously they didn't see that she would beceome the Abhorsen. And if the Clayr didn't forsee it, then the Absorsen's certainly wouldn't have known.
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** No they mention rebinding him with the same wards. It might be that the wards have nothing to do with the Shiners anyway since 7 is already a powerfully magical number.
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There's a lot of natter here that ignores the obvious answer: We know that entering Death isn't Abhorsen-only (necromancers do it all the time). It's something anyone can learn to do, though some, like Sam, are simply not very good at it once they're there. Also deleted some natter that was self-correcting (the bells are explicitly confirmed to be hearable even through earplugs, and Kibeth explicitly did not become one with the Charter Stones). I'm probably doing this wrong. But we shouldn't be arguing with ourselves, right?
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** [[spoiler:Actually, Sam does have some talent for it, as he is capable of crossing into death, but he just wasn't meant to be the Abhorsen-in-waiting, and the book knows it]].
** [[spoiler: Having just re-read the series, Sam does indeed quite plainly have the raw talent to be an Abhorsen. It's his ''personality'' that is much less suited for the job, being more in line with his real gift, that of being a Wallmaker. I'd figure that if something had happened to Lirael he ''could'' have been an Abhorsen (though I doubt he'd be a particularly good one); with her there as a much better candidate to take over that side of the family business, however, the paraphernalia (Book, bells, etc.) naturally gravitates to her and Sam is left free to pursue his true destiny]].
** [[spoiler: Although, it's possible that when Sabriel dies and Lirael becomes the Abhorsen, Sam might become the next Abhorsen-In-Waiting, if Lirael doesn't have any children. Mogget stated that the previous Abhorsen, Terciel, trained under his aunt.]]
** [[spoiler: Alternately, given that the royal and Abhorsen lines are still tightly mingled, any of Sam's children could easily become Lirael's successor. We don't really know if Wallmaker is something that can be passed down, or if it's Just Sam, Because of Fate.]]
** [[spoiler: Having just re-read the series, Sam does indeed quite plainly have the raw talent to be an Abhorsen. It's his ''personality'' that is much less suited for the job, being more in line with his real gift, that of being a Wallmaker. I'd figure that if something had happened to Lirael he ''could'' have been an Abhorsen (though I doubt he'd be a particularly good one); with her there as a much better candidate to take over that side of the family business, however, the paraphernalia (Book, bells, etc.) naturally gravitates to her and Sam is left free to pursue his true destiny]].
** [[spoiler: Although, it's possible that when Sabriel dies and Lirael becomes the Abhorsen, Sam might become the next Abhorsen-In-Waiting, if Lirael doesn't have any children. Mogget stated that the previous Abhorsen, Terciel, trained under his aunt.]]
** [[spoiler: Alternately, given that the royal and Abhorsen lines are still tightly mingled, any of Sam's children could easily become Lirael's successor. We don't really know if Wallmaker is something that can be passed down, or if it's Just Sam, Because of Fate.]]
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** [[spoiler:Actually, [[spoiler:Worse still, Sam does have some talent for it, as he is capable of crossing has been trained to go into death, but he just wasn't meant Death (which, according to be the Abhorsen-in-waiting, Mogget, anyone can technically do) and the book knows it]].
** [[spoiler: Having just re-read the series, Sam does indeed quite plainly have the raw talent to be an Abhorsen. It's his ''personality'' that is much less suitedforced into it, despite being totally unsuited for the job, being more in line with his real gift, that of being a Wallmaker. I'd figure that if something had happened to Lirael he ''could'' have been an Abhorsen (though I doubt he'd be a particularly good one); with her there as a much better candidate to take over that side of the family business, however, the paraphernalia (Book, bells, etc.) naturally gravitates to her location and Sam is left free to pursue his true destiny]].
** [[spoiler: Although, it's possible that when Sabriel dies and Lirael becomes the Abhorsen, Sam might become the next Abhorsen-In-Waiting, if Lirael doesn't have any children. Mogget stated that the previous Abhorsen, Terciel, trained under his aunt.]]
** [[spoiler: Alternately, given that the royal and Abhorsen lines are still tightly mingled, any of Sam's children could easily become Lirael's successor. We don't really know if Wallmaker is something that can be passed down, or if it's Just Sam, Because of Fate.vocation.]]
** [[spoiler: Having just re-read the series, Sam does indeed quite plainly have the raw talent to be an Abhorsen. It's his ''personality'' that is much less suited
** [[spoiler: Although, it's possible that when Sabriel dies and Lirael becomes the Abhorsen, Sam might become the next Abhorsen-In-Waiting, if Lirael doesn't have any children. Mogget stated that the previous Abhorsen, Terciel, trained under his aunt.]]
** [[spoiler: Alternately, given that the royal and Abhorsen lines are still tightly mingled, any of Sam's children could easily become Lirael's successor. We don't really know if Wallmaker is something that can be passed down, or if it's Just Sam, Because of Fate.
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** Honestly, once the Clayr Saw what Kerrigor was up to, they probably just hunkered down in the Glacier, a fortress even he couldn't conquer until he'd already destroyed all else, and waited him out except on occasions they Saw something particular they needed to do (like sending Sanar and Ryelle to advise Sabriel and Touchstone).
** On the same general topic, it's explicitly noted that Kerrigor gathered all of the Old Kingdoms most powerful necromancers and Free magic sorcerers under his control (Hedge being a prime example of this)... except for Chlorr, who was also explicitly ''never'' a Servant of Kerrigor. Why? [[spoiler: She was an Abhorsen, presumably familiar enough with both Charter and Free magic to understand the general shape of Kerrigor's plan, and would have therefore wanted nothing to do with him because she knew full well that if he figured out who and what she was, he'd sacrifice ''her'' on one of the Great Stones. The fact that her usual outfit is in the same general vein as the oft-mentioned but never seen Northern barbarians, it also seems a pretty safe guess where she went to keep her head down during the years of Kerrigor's rise]].
** On the same general topic, it's explicitly noted that Kerrigor gathered all of the Old Kingdoms most powerful necromancers and Free magic sorcerers under his control (Hedge being a prime example of this)... except for Chlorr, who was also explicitly ''never'' a Servant of Kerrigor. Why? [[spoiler: She was an Abhorsen, presumably familiar enough with both Charter and Free magic to understand the general shape of Kerrigor's plan, and would have therefore wanted nothing to do with him because she knew full well that if he figured out who and what she was, he'd sacrifice ''her'' on one of the Great Stones. The fact that her usual outfit is in the same general vein as the oft-mentioned but never seen Northern barbarians, it also seems a pretty safe guess where she went to keep her head down during the years of Kerrigor's rise]].
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** Honestly, once the Clayr Saw what Kerrigor was up to, they probably just hunkered down in the Glacier, a fortress even he couldn't conquer until he'd already destroyed all else, and waited him out except on occasions they Saw something particular they needed to do (like sending Sanar and Ryelle to advise Sabriel and Touchstone).
Touchstone). Of course, it's also possible that the Clayr are simply more watered-down than the other bloodlines—in Clariel: The Lost Abhorsen, it's stated that one of the Royal bloodline holds much more strength than that of a single Clayr, and there are hundreds of people related to the Abhorsen scampering around, each with very little power indicating. The Clayr are just spread thin.
** On the same general topic, it's explicitly noted that Kerrigor gathered all of the Old Kingdoms most powerful necromancers and Free magic sorcerers under his control (Hedge being a prime example of this)... except for Chlorr, who was also explicitly ''never'' a Servant of Kerrigor. Why? [[spoiler: She was an Abhorsen, presumably familiar enough with both Charter and Free magic to understand the general shape of Kerrigor's plan, and would have therefore wanted nothing to do with him because she knew full well that if he figured out who and what she was, he'd sacrifice ''her'' on one of the Great Stones. The fact that her usual outfit is in the same general vein as the oft-mentioned but never seen Northern barbarians, it also seems a pretty safe guess where she went to keep her head down during the years of Kerrigor'srise]]. rise. It also fits with her personality, since Chlorr hated to be controlled by anyone—she would never want to submit to another necromancer, even one as strong as Kerrigor]].
** On the same general topic, it's explicitly noted that Kerrigor gathered all of the Old Kingdoms most powerful necromancers and Free magic sorcerers under his control (Hedge being a prime example of this)... except for Chlorr, who was also explicitly ''never'' a Servant of Kerrigor. Why? [[spoiler: She was an Abhorsen, presumably familiar enough with both Charter and Free magic to understand the general shape of Kerrigor's plan, and would have therefore wanted nothing to do with him because she knew full well that if he figured out who and what she was, he'd sacrifice ''her'' on one of the Great Stones. The fact that her usual outfit is in the same general vein as the oft-mentioned but never seen Northern barbarians, it also seems a pretty safe guess where she went to keep her head down during the years of Kerrigor's
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** [[spoiler:And, possibly, on the Wall or on Charter Stones. Given that "Three and Five became stone and mortar", and Kibeth is the third bell...]]
*** No, he definitely remembers the marks from [[spoiler:the bell]] because that poem refers to the bloodlines: One in the people who wear the crown (Royals) Two in the folk who keep the dead down (the Abhorsen) Three and Five became stone and mortar (the Wallmakers, I guess there were two types) Four seems all in frozen water (the Clayr)
*** No, he definitely remembers the marks from [[spoiler:the bell]] because that poem refers to the bloodlines: One in the people who wear the crown (Royals) Two in the folk who keep the dead down (the Abhorsen) Three and Five became stone and mortar (the Wallmakers, I guess there were two types) Four seems all in frozen water (the Clayr)
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* In the first chapter of ''Sabriel'', the narration says that the sound of the First Gate gets louder as the messenger from Sabriel's father passes through it, but every other time something passes through the First Gate (including at least one other instance in ''Sabriel''), the narration says that the sound of the gate ceases. It may be a simple case of the author changing his mind and forgetting to go back and edit, but there's also one noticeable difference between that first instance and all the other times--the messenger from Sabriel's father was passing ''from'' the '''First''' Precinct ''into'' the '''Second''' Precinct. Every other time something passes through the First Gate, it's going from the ''Second'' Precinct into the ''First'' Precinct.
* Y'know, it seems like Astarael would be a GameBreaker level bell if you just wore earplugs. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's magic, surely that won't actually work, but it's kinda weird that they never actually addressed the idea. [[spoiler:Except they did, at the beginning of ''Abhorsen''. Sam suggests wearing earplugs to ward against the thing under the well -- which is much later revealed to be Astarael herself -- and Mogget shoots the idea down, citing that you'd hear her voice in your very bones.]]
* Y'know, it seems like Astarael would be a GameBreaker level bell if you just wore earplugs. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's magic, surely that won't actually work, but it's kinda weird that they never actually addressed the idea. [[spoiler:Except they did, at the beginning of ''Abhorsen''. Sam suggests wearing earplugs to ward against the thing under the well -- which is much later revealed to be Astarael herself -- and Mogget shoots the idea down, citing that you'd hear her voice in your very bones.]]
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** On the same note, it makes sense that [[spoiler:Lirael stood for Astarael: Astarael was shut outside of the Charter that she had helped to create, just as Lirael was shut out of the Clayr that she had always wanted to be a part of.]]
* In the first chapter of ''Sabriel'', the narration says that the sound of the First Gate gets louder as the messenger from Sabriel's father passes through it, but every other time something passes through the First Gate (including at least one other instance in ''Sabriel''), the narration says that the sound of the gate ceases. It may be a simple case of the author changing his mind and forgetting to go back and edit, but there's also one noticeable difference between that first instance and all the other times--the messenger from Sabriel's father was passing ''from'' the '''First''' Precinct ''into'' the '''Second''' Precinct. Every other time something passes through the First Gate, it's going from the ''Second'' Precinct into the ''First''Precinct.
* Y'know, it seems like Astarael would be a GameBreaker level bell if you just wore earplugs. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's magic, surely that won't actually work, but it's kinda weird that they never actually addressed the idea. [[spoiler:Except they did, at the beginning of ''Abhorsen''. Sam suggests wearing earplugs to ward against the thing under the well -- which is much later revealed to be Astarael herself -- and Mogget shoots the idea down, citing that you'd hear her voice in your very bones.]]
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* In the first chapter of ''Sabriel'', the narration says that the sound of the First Gate gets louder as the messenger from Sabriel's father passes through it, but every other time something passes through the First Gate (including at least one other instance in ''Sabriel''), the narration says that the sound of the gate ceases. It may be a simple case of the author changing his mind and forgetting to go back and edit, but there's also one noticeable difference between that first instance and all the other times--the messenger from Sabriel's father was passing ''from'' the '''First''' Precinct ''into'' the '''Second''' Precinct. Every other time something passes through the First Gate, it's going from the ''Second'' Precinct into the ''First''
* Y'know, it seems like Astarael would be a GameBreaker level bell if you just wore earplugs. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's magic, surely that won't actually work, but it's kinda weird that they never actually addressed the idea. [[spoiler:Except they did, at the beginning of ''Abhorsen''. Sam suggests wearing earplugs to ward against the thing under the well -- which is much later revealed to be Astarael herself -- and Mogget shoots the idea down, citing that you'd hear her voice in your very bones.]]
