Regarding the end... See in Digimon Adventure 02 it turns out that the Big Bad of the original series, has been there all along. That was why the kids reacted with such terror. They had been all gung-ho, until they realised it was the same guy they thought had been dealt with years ago. Malomyotismon has taken on ultimates, megas, the power of every crest beating on him and yet they could only delay him for four years. This guy is unstoppable. And then Daisuke goes "screw that, I'm gonna take him on anyway." Everyone is encouraged, Malomyotismon pulls his trump card and forces them into the Lotus-Eater Machine, etc, you know the plot. The Last Temptation of the Digidestined showed the kids overcoming not just their fears, but their desires in order to do the right thing. And in the end, if it's not just in it to sell a lot of transforming toys, then isn't this what Digimon was about? Hammering a guy with as much firepower as you can (yeah, firepower fuelled by emotion, but still firepower) is easy. That's what they did last time. But as this series has shown, the last time didn't work as well as they thought it had. It's only when the entire world realises the same potential that the Chosen did, that they all gain their Digimon. A bad guy who couldn't be stopped through any number of battles is finally destroyed, and nobody had to throw a punch. Corny? Yup. More anticlimactic than a battle? Sure. But to I it was better closure than another No-Holds-Barred Beatdown would have ever been.
Another reason that this made perfect sense is that Malomyotismon's power came from the Dark Spores. Ken regaining his hope and realizing what he was doing negated his Dark Spore (for awhile). When the kids the spores were grown from regained their hope, it negated their own Dark Spores which were powering Malemyotismon, causing his body to dissolve. And before, the light of the Digivices were used to banish darkness numorious times, so its only natural a massive blast of their light would be enough to completely destory a being reduced to pure darkness.
It should be noted that at that point Malomyotismon has not fully regained his power until entering Digital World and the fear and negative emotions from the children are his main energy source, which he plans to get rid of them along with everything once he becomes powerful enough. By regaining their hope and dream through Daisuke's enthusiasm, his power source is negated and so he is defeated.
Ok, so in the first season, remember how they first 7 DD had to use the magic cards to get back to earth? and how there was one extra? and they were warned they had to use the right cards to get to earth, otherwise they'd end up in some other world? the correct card was Gomamon. now, flash forward to the end of season two, when Owikawa was trying to get to the digiworld with the same cards. if you look closely, you can see that he puts down the Augumon card instead. this explains why they go to the dreamworld!
Added brilliance here- Oikawa was possessed- or influenced- by the spirit of MaloMyotismon, who knew the correct combination. Oikawa may have intended to get to the digital world, but going to the dream world was Myotismon's plan all along!
Where did oikawa get the cards? Myotismon might have known the combonation, but he never made the cards.
Oikawa could have had Arukenimon retrieve them for him.
At first, MaloMyotismon getting defeated by light seems like a Weak Sauce Weakness, but with some thought, it becomes No Kill Like Overkill. Remember back in Digimon Adventure when Apocalymon tried to pull a Taking You with Me with both worlds? Eight Digivices were able to contain that explosion and negate it completely. Just eight, no more, no less. In the finale of Digimon Adventure 02, Myotismon's soul gets blasted with the combined light of every Digivice on Earth. If just eight Digivices have the power to negate an explosion capable of destroying two entire dimmensions, imagine what the power of millions of Digivices could do? Much more impressive when you think about it that way, isn't it?
With that logic in mind, makes me wonder how Devimon survived his death long enough to taunt the children. After all, Angemon had drawn power from all 7 of the present children's digivices! If that math is right, then he could probably have blown away ANY of the Dark Masters in one shot!
Arguably, it is because Devimon didn't take a direct hit from the Digivices, instead he received a hit that was chanelled by Angemon, it also becomes a kinda of late fridge brilliance on Angemon's death, he chanelled a holy power so intense, that was enough to even kill a holy Digimon like himself.
As mentioned elsewhere, the hopes and dreams might not have been what killed him, they simply stopped the flow of dark energy coming from the Dark Spore-infested children that was feeding him and preventing him from getting vaporized by the Digivices.
What flow of dark energy? He'd already absorbed all of it.
You can keep saying that but the evidence we saw shows him actively drawing power from their negative emotions, fear in particular. Based on what we're shown absorbing the power of the dark spores gave him the power to manifest as Malomyotismon but it seems it formed a link between the kids and him. He needed to keep feeding off their fear in order to maintain his powers, and is shown feeding on them at least once during the fight, so killing them was out of the question at least until he'd fed enough to be self sufficient. Megas burn a lot of power and he was in the middle of getting gangbeat at the time. He had a similar problem when he turned Mega last time, he needed to feed to maintain his new form, the source just changed from digimon to fear.
I'd like to point out they were literally standing right next to a HOLE to a dimension that made wishes real. They simply out wished Malomyotismon.
MagnaAnemon's inability to overcome BlackWarGreymon is not just The Worf Effect. MagnaAngemon's powers are most effective against the likes of Devimon and Piedmon specifically because they belong to the Nightmare Soldiers field. BlackWarGreymon belongs to the Dragon's Roar and Metal Empire fields, but he is not a Nightmare Soldier, which means MagnaAngemon has no specific advantage over him.
Actually, he came so close to overcoming BWG, who was able to No Selleverything thrown at him so far, that it was truly awesome. The Worf Effect is more often seen when lesser foes are battled by plain Angemon; from kicking butt on Ultimates at will to not doing much good at all.
If one thinks about it, it makes perfect sense for Myotismon to be the true Big Bad of season 2. All the Big Bad of season one were the result of Apocalymon's presence warping the Digital World, thus it makes perfect sense that one of them should be the new Big Bad, as they're the remnants of his evil influence. Devimon did have a major role by possessing Chimeramon, but could do so without Ken's giving him a physical form. Most of the Dark Masters could be in a simular state. Myotismon was the only one of the original season one villains known to be able to ressurect himself completely all by himself. Sure, Etemon came back, but he never died beforehand like Myotismon did, and Myotismon came back to life much stronger than before. With all that in mind, he suddenly becomes a much more obvious choice.
Millenniumon is a more obvious choice. After all it is his data that made Ken evil. Millenniumon is also credited for freeing Apocalymon. Millenniumon also had most if not all of Digimon Adventures big bads working for him after he revived them, including Myotismon.
Milleniumon had already become Cyberdramon by that point, so he was unavailable at the time. Although I don't know if that had already been decided by that point (note that Digimon Adventure 02 happened a year after Digimon Tamers, even though they are in different universes).
Before Millenniumon became Cyberdramon he had the power to manipulate time and space and used those powers to conquer diffident timelines simultaneously. There is no reason that 2002/whenever could not have been one of his targets.
If not, Milleniumon could just as easily been the one to pop out of Oikawa, reborn from all the Milleniumon data that Oikawa collected.
He did not need to do it; after all, he achieved part of his goal, which was to be alongside Ryo, and he gained that power he was set on conquering the multiverse so him showing up in 02 whould be a waste of his time (and he is a Magnificent Bastard)
Actually Milleniumon wouldn't have achieved his dream of being with Ryo until later on in the timeline, but again Timey-Wimey Ball makes a right mess of that, but on a more interesting level,
Dagomon is also a better choice. 1. Dagomon is connected to the dark digivice witch is connected to the dark rings and control spires. 2. Where Myotismon had to be Hand Wave back to life, Dagomon was always alive and in a place that would not have been purged of evil; Like the real world was.
Shout out or not Dagomon is far too weak to work as a big bad
Not really when you consider the fact that Dagomon can evolve into Demon.
I, personally, would have liked Dagomon to be either a post-Myotismon boss for Kari or a competing Big Bad. After all, Kari was transported by spirits of darkness to a world parallel to the human world but also possessed a control spire. The spirits may have taken the form of digimon, but not only were they not affected by the dark spirals (if they were then they would never have summoned Kari), when the spirals were removed what they transformed into was clearly not any type of digimon. On top of that, Ken used dark energy from a mystical whirlpool-type portal to create Kimeramon; if that portal links to the world of the "Dark Ocean" then that means Kimeramon was created from only some of the energy possessed by Dagomon. In fact the Dark Masters arc of the first season had a dark fog repeatedly appear around the digidestined when they doubted themselves or their abilities (Sora and Matt were the most-directly affected, but they also were those with the most-direct personal conflicts). If I were a writer, I would have made that mist an extension of Dagomon, and perhaps the Dark Spores an extension of that mist. Then even if Dagomon is physically weaker, he could have easily harvested all the negative energy and absorbed Myotismon. Which actually makes more sense as a final boss: who better to spread a mentality of despair and hopelessness and inner conflict than the physical/digital embodiment of despair, hopelessness, and inner conflict? Why leave it up to a vampire?
Arukenimon's name. Think about it, it looks and sounds like "are you Ken I. mon?" Who turned out to (sort of) be the mon behind the whole Digimon Kaiser/Emperor fiasco?
Actually, it's spelled that way because that's how her Japanese name (Archnemon) is pronounced.
Why does Digmon declare himself the Drill of Power despite evolving using the Digimental of Knowledge? Because knowledge is power.
Considering his Back Story, it makes perfect sense that Ken wouldn't believe Wormmon to be his partner: During his original journey with Ryo, he learnt of Ryo having multiple temporary partners, and assumed that it applied to him too!
It also helps that Ken was also a complete amnesiac regarding the events of the Wonderswan series.
With one of the Xros Wars seasons having the past goggleheads appear, and Tai being his 01 self, it now makes sense that Tai declared Davis the leader immediately following the first battle of 02 without (a) a proper team yet, or (b) any say from the other two Digidestined of Davis' age - those things always bugged me back in the day. Now we know that Tai had already seen the hero Davis would become, and learned from him at some point that there would be a full team of younger members.
Shakkoumon, Armadillomon's Ultimate-level, is often derided as a nonsensical form for an armadillo and an ankylosauros. However, given that Shakkoumon's a Mutant-type, it actually makes a hell of a lotta sense that he'll change so radically, even when everyone else's kept a theme through-out.
Wormmon's sacrifice that rejuvenates Magnamon becomes much more understandable when one recalls the events of Tag Tamers; with all the Jogresses the larva could've performed, he might be the stronger of the two.
Miyako has a huge crush on Ken even before she discovers his dark side, and they eventually get married...in other words, the early bird caught the worm.
While a lot of people complain about how [MagnaAngemon] was shown to be underpowered during the Daemon Corps arc, despite him having an advantage against such foes and earlier doing well against Blackwargreymon it's not actually a writing mistake. His power has been over exaggerated by the fanbase (he scored one good hit against Piedmon which was shown to be painful but showed no real damage, much like when Angemon attacked Myotismon, even his Gate of Destiny was completely useless against Piedmon until two megas blasted Piedmon directly into it)and it's even well established that simply having an advantage doesn't mean the digimon in question will win a fight. For proof look at both time Angewomon fought Ladydevimon, each time Angewomon ended up smacked around despite having the advantage and being the same level as them, only winning the fight in the end because she got outside help (Megakabuterimon shielding and then distracting Ladydevimon in the first fight, DNA digivolving with Aquilamon and Yolei distracting Ladydevimon in the second). The Deamon Corps are clearly supposed to be incredibly powerful dark digimon and he simply wasn't enough to take them one on one this time (heck, it took Imperialdramon in fighter mode to kill Skullsatamon).
In the epilogue, Tai and Agumon are shown to become ambassadors for the Digital World. Now look back at Agumon's interactions with BlackWarGreymon from the start; he was acting quite...diplomatic, wouldn't you say?
In episode 38, the other Chosen Children make derisive comments over the fact that Daisuke hasn't noticed Ken's Character Development. But it's not that Ken's changed, it's just that he's coming out of his guilt-and-depression induced shell and finally showing his true colors. Daisuke, who's had a front-seat view into Ken's heart - first through the Digimental of Miracles/Crest of Kindness, and then through Jogress Evolution - doesn't notice that Ken's different because from where he's standing, Ken's always been like that.
During the World Tour two-parter, each of the pairs of digi-destined have similar personalities or have been known to get along well together, but not Koshiro and Hikari. Why is that? Remember, they were dropped off in Hong Kong, and at the time of this writing, Southeastern Asia is still very much a hot bed of conflict. This is shown when Mina, an Indian digi-destined tries to cross into China. Hikari is capable of easily getting people to follow her because of her innate light, and Koshiro has the knowledge of various cultures due to his intelligence. This is a great pairing for this area.
At first, it seems odd that Miyako, the most energetic and tomboyish of the girls, is a homemaker. But think about it - Ken and Miyako's youngest child is a baby. Miyako has to stay at home to look after it. There's nothing stopping her from going back to work at least part-time once it's old enough to attend school.
Its accepted that the reason Kimeramon was uncontrollable and destructive was due to the Kaiser using Devilmon's arm as part of its creation which corrupted it. However, the Kaiser also Angemon's wings and given that the two digimon are considered evil and good counterparts to each other wouldnt devilon's influence on kimeramon been canceled out. However, what other digimon was used to make Kimeramon..Skull Greymon, a mindless killing machine. Notably, Kimeramon acts alot more like SkullGreymon in behavior than Devimon.
When people watched Digimon Adventure 02 the first time they might not like Daisuke's but some may gradually grows to adore him. Then you remembered that the story was told from Takeru's Po V the entire time. Basically, Takeru did question Daisuke's leadership and personality at first but after witnessing his heart and actions in right place he eventually comes to accept him!
In episode 27, we learn that the children had to use the eight crests in order to cure the world of evil (later retconned as releasing the digigods). But, wait a minute, didn't Ken have a ninth crest? How could the eight crests return all the power if there were nine crest?
Because each of the digigods is connected to two of the crest powers so that's all that was needed to free them. Who knows what Ken, and perhaps others', crests were tied to? Perhaps they were made once the digigods realised they were about to be sealed away again?
The digigods never created the crests, the crests were created in a lab by Gennai and his friends, the children alone are what powered it, and they were destroyed in the last episode.
Each of the digieggs can only be picked up by one of the kids. However, in a later (canon) audio drama, we learn that each of the digi-eggs is compatible with each of the children. So how and why are they only keyed to a single child?
(Note: I've never listened to the audio drama.) They never tried before then. If it takes place before the end of the series, perhaps they just kept their normal digieggs for convenience's sake? It seems like a digiegg is a physical object stored in a digivice, like the spirits in Frontier.
Again, never listened to the audio dramas, but this may depend entirely on your interpretation of 'compatible'. Perhaps each of the digidestined could have used more than one digiegg IF they had developed the proper virtues. Notice, each child is only a paragon of a single 'virtue' (bravery, hope, knowledge, etc), none of them are as much of an example of that aspect as the one who has that digiegg. But, say Davis/Daisuke was to become a paragon of knowledge as much as Cody is? Maybe he could use that digiegg too....
Possibly, it's not so much the power of the Digieggs that are keyed to each of each of the children, but simply the release and activation of the powers. There are several digimon listed as armour digimon, despite at no point in canon being exposed to the Digieggs required, adding weight to the idea.
To clarify, in the CD Drama the characters intentionally swap their digi eggs. Cody/Iori actually doesn't want to do it, thinking it awkward, but Amadimon/Armadillomon does it anyhow. Here's a sort-of translated explanation.
Ken is a Canon Immigrant from the wonderswan games, making those canon. However, in those games, Myotismon was resurrected in the digital world and died. So how could he still be inside of Oikawa?
Maybe that was just some kind of copy created by Millenniumon from scratch.
This troper thought of something, but when Daisuke/Davis stated that he has no desires, would this imply his pursuit for a relationship with Hikari/Kari was all a lie?
He was one of the kids captured by Myotismon the first time around, and she turned herself in to spare the other children. So once he played the critical role in defeating Malomyotismon, he felt he had paid Hikari back for saving him previously. This would explain his constant attempts to endear himself to Hikari, his shock at seeing Gatomon in the first episode, and his opening of the Courage Digimental at the sight of Hikari in trouble (in the same episode). (As a matter of fact, it explains his actions throughout the entire series.)
Except 1. during this time the kids were all knocked out, 2. Hikari was in a separate location, and 3. Myotismon wasn't about to spare them because Hikari gave herself up. After deposing of her, he likely would have gone and killed all the other people anyway. The only reason that didn't happen was because the other children showed up and intervened. Daisuke wouldn't have seen Hikari, he wouldn't have known what happened, and she didn't save his life by giving herself up. The reason Daisuke acts the way he does to Hikari is because he has a crush on her, otherwise he would have been more thankful towards Takeru. Also that still counts as a desire.
Not to mention that he shows his fixation before he even hears about the Digital World and it's implied that the new team doesn't hear the details about the old team's adventures until the Odaiba memorial.
Or maybe he just got over her. It was a crush, kids with crushes do that.
Why are the children concerned with concealing their Digimon from the parents of the older children? They have seen the Digimon before and even befriended the previous kids' mons, yet they freak out when Izzy's mom enters. Then it zigzags when Matt and T.K. freely discuss Myotismon to their father without a worry.
I always thought it was based on how important those parents were to the plot/ how well they could cope with their kids in danger. Matt's Dad was actually pretty important during Myotismon's attack, and understood easily that the kids are the right people for the job. Izzy's mom, on the other hand, never liked the idea of Izzy being in danger, nor did most of the other parents. That's why they're keeping it secret now, so the parents don't worry themselves.
This time around, Angemon's power is attributed to being merely super effective against evil types, and against a non evil Digimon, he'd be just slightly above average champion at best. This is all well and good, and corroborates well with what was seen in Adventure, but they aren't remotely consistent with it. First of all, Control Spires are pretty much literally Made of Evil, and yet Angemon doesn't deal massive damage because they're not Digimon? Fine, it doesn't make too much sense, but we can suspend our disbelief. But then Magna Angemon is able to go toe to toe with Black War Greymon, who's a whole level above, is a Control Spire Digimon, and isn't an 'evil type' digimon. And later on in the series, when fighting a group of clearly demonic yet non control spire Digimon, neither Angemon nor Magna Angemon seem to be particularly effective against them. What gives?
(this sounds more like a headscratchers topic) Simple - Skull Satamon was way too fast for anyone to get a hit in.
There's the moment where Ken, having renounced his time as the Digimon Kaiser, comes to the Village of Beginnings hoping to find a reborn Wormmon. He is confronted and heckled by infant Digimon who seem to know who he is by sight. He is confronted by his sins, but Fridge Horror sets in when you realise these infants must be Digimon who died under his brutal rule and have just been reborn recently. The first thing they know is to hate for their own violent treatment and deaths. No such thing as Children Are Innocent, because he took their innocence.
Actually its worse/better as the implication is that digimon remember their past lives so there really aren't any truly baby digimon.
It's pretty ambiguous. Some Primary Village scenes have the baby Digimon acting like, well, babies. The ones in 02 seem fully intelligent and know who Ken is. It could be the way Data Squad showed it: not all but some remember.
Imagine, for a moment, that Daisuke, Miyako and Iori hadn't been introduced. Taichi, Agumon, and the rest still have the old digivices, are still the original chosen, and it continued like this. They defeat the Digimon Kaiser. They uncover the Dark Seed plot. They come to face to face with Belial-Vandemon and he puts them under his Ass PullLotus-Eater Machine. What now? They don't have the Idiot HeroDaisuke to save them now, since Taichi actually gained depth as a character over the original series, and does worry about things from time to time. They would have remained in their stupor, unable to get out, allowing Belial-Vandemon to wreck the world. It's weakly done, but at least the writers tried to justify Daisuke remaining relatively shallow.
Not really, who has the crest of hope again? They could have easily used that to get them out of it, also Daisuke didn't snap them out of the illusion, by the time Daisuke shows up the partner digimon have already made the other kids very much aware of the fact that they were in an illusion world.
Worse than that, if the others hadn't been called only TK and Kari would have been capable of any form of digivolution and they wouldn't have been able to handle the forces Ken had on their own. So Ken would have kept mass producing control spires and would have created Chimeramon and they wouldn't have been able to stop him and the digital world would have been completely destroyed. Hell, Kari might have been completely drawn into the Dark ocean.
Again not really considering that the all the original needed to bypass it was just evolve outside of the area where the control spire was and then enter it and do what needed to be done. Also Tentomon is also capable of using a digimental, so there would really be three not two. And/or start up some kind of resistance against the Kaiser so that the digimon could fight him on their own, even when they aren't there. With the Dark Ocean the person who helped Kari out was T.K., not Yolei, Davis, or Cody. Which would have probably ended in him being defeated a lot quicker.
Well, if the new kids weren't introduced, they'd have destroyed Arukenimon and Mummymon back in episode 29, so they wouldn't have got into that situation in the first place.
One of the new chosen children is Ken so half of the problem would be gone already. But even if you kept Ken as the Kaiser the origanals would have found a work around for the towers and stoped Ken around episode 13 and Arukenimon and Mummymon around ep 20(Or whenever they chose to showed there heads) Kimeramon and latter Blackwargraymon would never be born none of the holy stones would have been destroyed(and the digital world would not be weakened) and Vamdemon would never get a new body.
TK and Kari's Adventure model Digivices converted to the 02 models after they picked up their Digieggs in the third episode. Anyone else's would have done the same with their respective eggs (e.g. Tai instead of Daisuke). If a 02 model Digivice was that necessary to enter the Digital World in the first episode, then some power of good from the Digital World would have granted the Chosens a way in, either through an intervening warp point like in Adventure, by giving the old Chosens new Digivices through the computer, or some form of digital energy breaching the computer and converting some older Chosen's Digivice that way, likely without the accompanying egg.
Malomyotismon doesn't understand why the dream-thing didn't work on Daisuke because "he must have a wish" to which Daisuke says "No, I just want to see you destroyed." Uhm, dude. That is a wish. Meaning that everything that happens after the digidestined wakes up from their wish-dreams should just be Daisuke's dream. How's that for Fridge Horror?
Or, more likely, the world they were in gave Davis the power to snap everyone else out of it- in other words, the power necessary to defeat the villain.
Or alternatively him wishing for Malomyotismon's destruction is what broke him out, he is in a realm that basically grants wishes
And the kids don't need Daisuke, Mimi would have been their secret weapon who doesn't have a care in the world.
Mummymon and Arukenimon were both created by Oikawa using his own DNA. Wouldn't that make them kind of like siblings, in a sense?
Unlikely, they're still digimon and all digimon are born from data which seems to come from the same general source. So either ALL DIGIMON are sinblings, or none of them are.
They would be siblings in there human forms, but as far as I know digimon do not have the means to reproduce. I.E. no sex=no incest.
That wasn't even on the table...
Okay, so Daemon was trapped in the Dark Ocean...way back when it was introduced in Her Master's Voice, it was revealed that another massively powerful Digimon, Dagomon, ruled over that place, which means sending another Big Bad to the same place would be a recipe for disaster, because if they were able to work together, with one of them having been able to withstand the power of a Mega and two Ultimates, and still not evenusing all of his power, while the other one rules over that realm...yeah, that's a smart move.
And that's counting the potential for people to abuse their digimon. Pokemon showed trainers beating up and abusing Pokemon and being able to do despite said monsters being capable of retaliating by fang, claw, electricity..Same thing in Monster Ranchers. Whose to say this couldnt happen in the Digimon universe? It could happen the other way around with Digimon controlling their human partners or just humans in general.
Another reason the epilogue is so wrong is Fridge Horror in effect: So in the end every kid gets a Digimon and they all live happily ever after. How is this even possible? What would the world really think of Digimon? There would definitely be people who cannot tolerate the Digimon and see them as Pests or as "imaginary friends" for the children. So Ken becomes a detective and Stingmon helps him...........what if Criminals use Digimon too? What if some terrorist, religious fanatic, dictator or some corrupt or outright evil politician got their hands on the Digimon? What if some Kurata-esque figure arises? All in all, this ending isn't as happy as it was written to be. And that's not getting into account how Dagoman and Daemon might expolit this situation from the Dark Ocean.....