Wild Things is a 1998 erotic thriller film directed by John McNaughton, starring Matt Dillon, Kevin Bacon, Denise Richards, Neve Campbell, and Bill Murray. In some countries the film was released as Sex Crimes or Sexcrimes.
The film starts with Sam Lombardo (Dillon), a high school guidance counselor in Blue Bay, Florida, being accused of rape by Kelly Van Ryan (Richards), one of his students. Ray Duquette (Bacon) and his partner are assigned to the case. The charges appear to be unsubstantiated until Suzie Toller (Campbell) comes forward and says Lombardo raped her too. Lombardo hires low-rent lawyer Ken Bowden (Murray) to represent him and seems sunk until Suzie admits she and Kelly made up the charges to get revenge on Lombardo for past wrongs. Sam is awarded $8.5 million in a settlement with Kelly's mother and suddenly everyone wants a piece. The movie devolves into a scheme of epic proportions.
There were three Direct to Video sequels, which largely followed the same basic plot as the original, though the sex scenes were racier:
- Wild Things 2 (2004)
- Wild Things: Diamonds in the Rough (2005)
- Wild Things: Foursome (2010)
Not to be confused with the 2015 UK game show of the same name, or the 1987 movie Wild Thing.
This movie contains an enormous amount of unexpected plot twists. Beware of spoilers!
This movie contains examples of:
- All Men Are Perverts:
- Zig-zagged with Sam Lombardo. At first, he seems like a respectable guidance counselor with a steady girlfriend. He even brushes off the advances of the wealthy woman whom he romanced in the past, then he's accused of raping the woman's daughter, a teenage girl. It turns out that he was framed for the crime. Then it turns out he and the girl were in on it together, and were carrying on an affair. It probably ends as a triple subversion.
- Averted with Ray Duquette, whose only motivations during the entire thing are greed and sadism, never lust. However, he did have a penchant for frequenting hookers. Whom he then beats half to death for fun.
- Almost Kiss: Between Sam and the female cop.
- Amoral Attorney:
- Ken Bowden is not above cheating workers' comp by wearing a neck brace in public without an actual neck injury or being involved in Suzie's scheme.
- Sandra Van Ryan's own attorney (played by Robert Wagner) is hinted to be one, though he gets beat down by the judge when he attempts to intervene in the suddenly disintegrating case after Suzie cracks on the stand.
- Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking: Kelly doesn't have much of a stomach for violence, leaving Suzie's "murder" to Sam and covering her ears so she can't even hear it. But after they put Suzie's body in the back of her SUV, she says "My mom would kill me if she knew I took the Range Rover." (Then again, from what we see of Sandra, that might actually be the part that pissed her off the most.)
- Armor-Piercing Question: Detective Perez to Duquette when questioning Kelly's rape accusation.Detective Perez: What, are you afraid of Tom Baxter? Or are you afraid of Sandra Van Ryan?
- Bait-and-Switch: After Sam arrives at a seedy motel and is spooked by Kelly being there, she looks as if she's about to kill him. Holding a weapon under a towel. Turns out to be actually a champagne bottle for celebration.
- Batman Gambit: While no criminal charges are filed against him, Duquette is still fired by the police department and has his pension revoked after killing Kelly, despite his insistence that he had no choice but to use deadly force, as (a) This is the second such incident he's been involved in, and (b) This is a situation he was repeatedly told to stay out of, only to ignore his superior's orders, a major violation of police protocol. It's then revealed later on that (a) Ray and Sam have been in cahoots and thus Ray WANTED to get fired, and (b) Flashbacks show that Ray did in fact murder a defenseless Kelly, meaning the department's decision was completely appropriate.
- Beneath the Mask: A major theme of the film. Sam appears to be an honest, upstanding educator, but he's really a sleazy, exploitative pervert. Kelly appears to be an all-American teenage girl next door, but she's actually an angry, sexually confused cokehead who hates her family. Ray appears to be an honest if overzealous cop, but he's actually a Dirty Cop who enjoys prostitutes and is quite willing to murder anyone who pisses him off. Suzie appears to be a white-trash loser, but she's actually a brilliantly calculating Chessmaster who manipulates everyone else.Ray: People aren't always what they appear to be, Jimmy. Don't forget that.
- Big Bad: Suzie Toller is playing everyone like a fiddle throughout the entire film so she can have the money for herself.
- Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: This is regards to at least three of the main characters, but a special mention should go to Ray Duquette. He acts like a hardworking and upstanding police officer when he ultimately isn't.
- Black-and-Gray Morality: The only "white" character in the film is Ray's partner. The rest are various shades of gray, while Ray himself is the closest to black.
- Blatant Lies: When Kelly tearfully tells her mother that she misses her father (who had committed suicide), Sandra says, "I miss him too, sometimes." We really don't need Kelly to tell us that's bull, but she does anyway.
- Bunny-Ears Lawyer: Bowden. He wears a neck brace when out in public for a nonexistent neck injury.
- Caught on Tape: Ray records Suzie and Kelly having a Two-Person Pool Party.
- Chekhov's Gun: Subverted with the alligators who are shown a couple of times but don't kill anybody.
- The Chessmaster: Suzie, although a couple of other characters come close.
- Chivalrous Pervert: Subverted by Sam. Although it seems like he's upset at Ray killing Kelly on moral grounds, it's clear that he's really only concerned about a potential Spanner in the Works wrecking the plan. He has no compunctions about exploiting Kelly's love for him for sex and money, and intends to frame her for what will probably be a life sentence for Suzie's murder.
- Chronic Backstabbing Disorder: A theme of the entire film. After the "false rape accusation" scam is revealed, every character resorts to backstabbing their partners to get the money after more people are shown to have been in on it, then turn on them as well. Most of the cast ends up murdering each other.
- Clear My Name: The movie seems to be about Sam being cleared of the False Rape Accusation. However, everything changes half-way through the movie.
- The Con: Layers upon layers of deceit, many people trying to back-stab each other. It is not until the denouement that it turns out that most of them were actually working together and just pretending to backstab each other (not to say that one or two of them didn't end up dead, though).
- Creative Closing Credits: Interspersed within the credits are a series of short scenes that tie the rest of the movie together, including a final one that ties Bill Murray's character with Neve Campbell's.
- Creepy Uncle: In the director's cut we learn that Susie is Sandra's half-sister and Kelly's aunt, despite being basically the same age as the latter. Which means that lesbian pool scene was in fact incestuous. While Kelly can get a pass on the incest (she didn't know), Susie willingly seduced her niece as part of her scheme.
- Criminally Attractive: Subverted and gender-inverted between Ray's female partner Detective Gloria Perez and Sam Lombardo.
- Depraved Bisexual: Suzie and Kelly are partners in a False Rape Accusation plot and having sex with their male partner and each other.
- Dirty Cop: Ray is revealed as one of these. He was corrupt, beat hookers, murdered anyone he didn't like, and got Suzie sent to prison just for the hell of it.
- Disproportionate Retribution: Did any of these people really deserve to die for how they'd wronged Suzie? Even Ray arguably deserved to be in prison rather than dead.
- DIY Dentistry: A post-credits scene revealed that Suzie removed one of her own teeth as part of her ploy to fake her death.
- The Ending Changes Everything: The king of this type of twist would have to be this movie, where pretty much all the characters were revealed in a series of twists to be allied with one another, then revealed in another series of twists to be secretly betraying one another. Even when the movie was over, the writers threw in several more twists during the closing credits just for fun.
- Ephebophile: Sam is sleeping with Kelly and Suzie, who are barely of legal age (and probably weren't when their relationships began).
- Evil Teacher: Sam Lombardo, who rapes one of his students when he gets the chance. Before it's revealed that he's a different kind of bad, as they were working together to con the girl's rich mom out of millions of dollars. Sam just seems to be a lying sleazeball...but at the end we learn that he's been sleeping with Kelly for a long time, thereby committing statutory rape.
- Faking the Dead: The scam around Suzie's death, employing the Identification by Dental Records trope.
- False Rape Accusation: Two teenage girls falsely accuse their high school guidance counselor of raping them in order to get revenge on him for various slights. Later on, we find out that the guidance counselor was in on it; he sued the parents of one of the girls for a hefty sum after the false accusation and then the three of them split the money.
- Fan Disservice: A weird case of Fan Disservice turning into Fanservice, rather than the other way around. Suzie and Kelly at one point get into a pool (with Kelly in a bikini)... except that it's because they get into a heated fight complete with some bitch-slaps and mouth cuts, during which Suzie tries to drown Kelly. Then they kiss and make up (literally), just because.
- Fanservice: A lot of it. Kevin Bacon's penis, Denise Richards' breasts, two lesbian make-outs, and even Kelly's mom is seen nude, riding the poolboy.
- Fanservice Car Wash: Kelly and one of her friends show up to Sam Lombardo's house to wash his truck. While supposedly a charity project, Kelly is clearly doing it to flirt with her teacher. It then takes a dark turn when Sam rapes Kelly. Then loops back again when it's revealed they were both faking the rape.
- Fair Cop: More realistic than the model types seen elsewhere, but Ray and his partner are very attractive.
- Framing the Guilty Party: The "framing yourself" variant, which is the first part of the plan. Sam, as the guilty party, is being accused of rape but gets off the hook by means of an arranged False Rape Accusation.
- Freudian Excuse:
- It's mentioned that Kelly's father killed himself, and how it did a number on Kelly. Her emotionally distant and superficial mother doesn't seem to help things.
- Suzie witnessed a friend of hers being murdered by Ray, who covered it up by having Suzie placed in Juvie for months. Part of her scheme was to get revenge on Ray.
- Gambit Pile Up: A notorious example, with reveal after reveal.
- Plot of first film: Rich girl Kelly Van Ryan (Denise Richards) flirts with Sam Lombardo (Mat Dillon), her guidance councellor, until at last he invites her into his house in private. Afterwards, she runs off in tears, then accuses him of rape. He claims she's lying, and given her earlier behavior, it looks like it'll be impossible to prove her case. Suddenly, another victim, Suzie (Neve Campbell), is found and is willing to testify. Then Suzie cracks on the stand and admits she's lying, making the audience think that both girls are working together to screw Sam over. Sam gets off the hook, then successfully sues Sandra Van Ryan, Kelly's mom. Then it turns out that the girls were both working with Sam to trick the mom into doing something stupid so that he could sue her and they could split the money three ways. Then Sam has to kill Suzie because she was acting like a total spazz and might have spilled the beans. Ray Duquette (Kevin Bacon), a cop who has been investigating this whole thing, assaults Kelly, who shoots him in the shoulder, forcing him to shoot and kill her. It later turns out that he murdered her in cold blood, and shot himself in the shoulder. His superiors are suspicious of him, as something similar happened with him a while ago, and fire him. Then it turns out that he and Sam were working together to frame Kelly for Suzie's murder, and split the money two ways — except Ray decided to kill Kelly and pretend it was self-defense. Then it turns out that Sam and Suzie were working together to fake Suzie's murder and betray Ray because Ray had killed one of Suzie's friends before the movie even started. Then it turns out that Suzie never had any intention of sharing the money with Sam, and kills him. She also has genius-level intelligence. Then it turns out that Ken Bowden (Bill Murray) was working with Suzie all this time.
- Every film in the Wild Things series strives to go further to make each plot twenty times more convoluted and confusing than the previous film's. Chances are, if you are the protagonist, the antagonist, the victim, a background character... hell, if you're in the film, you are in on the scheme and may be weaving some incredibly complex plans of your own. If there are two things that "Wild Things" is known for, it's the incredibly sexy lesbian scenes, and this trope. Also death. Lots and lots of death.
- Gambit Roulette: Suzie's plot had to take months, if not years, to set up. And by the end, a high school drop-out has gotten three people murdered and ended up with millions of dollars. Slightly justified by interviews with residents of her trailer park that imply she is Lex Luthor intelligent.
- Genre Shift: It starts out as a formulaic Clear My Name plot, complete with Bill Murray as a sleazy lawyer trying The Perry Mason Method... until the one hour mark. That's when it's revealed the defendant was working with his accusers for a damages settlement, but they all have their own plans, which quickly create a Jigsaw Puzzle Plot.
- Girl on Girl Is Hot:
- Kelly and Nicole getting soaked from the water as they work together to give Lombardo a car wash.
- After a fight, Kelly and Suzie proceed to make out in a pool. Detective Duquette, who has been recording them to expose their mutual plotting, has a brilliant Eye Take before he continues recording.
- Hates Being Touched: Suzie, although it's possible she's just faking the trait, like she is with a lot of others.
- Hate Sink: Sergeant Ray Duquette, despite initially seeming to be the Hero Antagonist uncovering the Villain Protagonists scheme, is later revealed to be a vicious Dirty Cop who would frequent and beat prostitutes. Prior to the film, he murdered Suzie's friend and had Suzie herself sent to juvie on bogus charges. Joining Sam on the scheme, he murders Kelly in cold blood when they try to frame her for Suzie's alleged murder. It's also revealed that a large portion of Suzie's scheme was to get revenge on Duquette.
- Hero Antagonist: Ray starts out as this, seeking to be a Sympathetic Inspector Antagonist looking into Sam's rape case, as well as Sam, Kelly, and Suzie's scheme. He loses this when his true colors and past actions are revealed, as well as when he gets involved in the scheme, at which point he's designated as a full villain.
- Identification by Dental Records: Police find some teeth by the beach and use Suzie Toller's dental records to identify them as hers and confirm her death. Later it's revealed that she knocked out her own teeth to fake her death.
- I Miss Mom: In one of her few (if only) scenes with genuine emotional depth, Alpha Bitch Kelly Van Ryan tearfully declares "I miss dad" to her mother. (It's revealed in the next handful of lines that he killed himself and heavily implied that this is why she's so screwed up).
- Impoverished Patrician: An early version of the script (link available in
What Could Have Been, under the Trivia tab) depicted Sam and Kelly as this:- Sam's father used to be rich until he and several other people lost their fortunes to Kelly's grandfather in a crooked land deal. Sandra's comment about him being a "hired hand" has a much crueler edge in this context.
- Kelly herself is technically broke. While she is supported by Sandra, she didn't inherit any money of her own from her father and she can't get her trust fund until Sandra dies. Sandra herself doesn't give Kelly any spending money, trying to teach Kelly that money doesn't grow on trees. Kelly gets her friends to pay for her fancy clothes.
- Informed Attractiveness: One of Sam's students makes a remark about his beautiful eyes.
- Institutional Apparel: Sam wears a blue suit during custody.
- Interplay of Sex and Violence: Suzie and Kelly have a physical fight, where Kelly almost drowns Suzie. It ends with them making out and having sex in the pool.
- It's All About Me: When Sandra Van Ryan talks to the police about her daughter's rape at the hands of Sam Lombardo, she yells, "He must be insane to think he can do this to me!" Lombardo had previously been in a relationship with Sandra that ended badly, so she may have thought he had raped Kelly to punish her.
- Jack Bauer Interrogation Technique: Ray threatens Suzie this way.
- Kansas City Shuffle: The entire plot revolves around Suzie convincing the other conspirators into thinking they know what the con is. Kelly thinks she and Sam will get rid of Suzie and run off together with the money. Ray thinks he and Sam will get rid of both girls, implicate Kelly in Suzie's murder, and split the money two-ways before parting. Sam thinks he and Suzie will frame Kelly for Suzie's "murder", kill Ray, and run off together with the money (possibly with the intention of separating later; Sam's the only one who knows how ruthless Suzie is, so he probably wouldn't want to stick around too long). Turns out the real plan was for Suzie to fake her own death with Sam's assistance, implicate Kelly, kill both Ray and Sam, and take all the money. Less what she paid Ken Bowden for his services, of course.
- Karma Houdini: Suzie commits two murders (inadvertently causing one) and retires to the Carribean with $8.5 million dollars.
- Killer Cop: Ray Duquette murders Kelly and stages it to make it look like self-defense, and conspired with Sam to (supposedly) kill Suzie, just to get his hands on the money acquired from the courtroom scam. As it turns out, it's not the first time either, as Ray murdered Suzie's best friend several years ago. His superiors accept his explanation of Kelly's death (meaning he's free of any murder or manslaughter charges), but fire him because it looks very suspicious either way.
- Laser-Guided Karma: Sam, Kelly and Ray all arguably deserve the fates they suffer at Suzie's hands. She gets a Pet the Dog moment when she sets aside $1 million for Ruby and Walter, the people who raised her and served as a substitute family. She also pays Ken Bowden for his help.
- Male Gaze: Gratuitous shots of Kelly and Nicole being soaked in their clothes and having fun as they wash Sam Lombardo's dirty jeep.
- Male Frontal Nudity: Kevin Bacon in a short shower scene.
- Mirror Scare: Used when Kelly suddenly shows up in Sam's motel room after the trial, just before it's revealed that they were partners.
- Mrs. Robinson: Kelly's mother Sandra Van Ryan likes to have affairs with her younger staff members. She also had an affair with Sam Lombardo once.
- Ms. Fanservice: Neve Campbell and Denise Richards having a threesome with Matt Dillon, and then Campbell and Richards getting it on alone too. In both cases, Richards goes topless, while Campbell limits herself to Toplessness from the Back.
- Nautical Knockout: Done deliberately at the end of the movie; the victim is then left to drown.
- Obfuscating Stupidity: Suzie's outer appearance as white trash masks her extraordinary intelligence, enough to hatch a scheme that allows her to get away with committing multiple murders and conning a rich heiress out of millions of dollars.
- Out-Gambitted: Ray, Sam, and Kelly are all playing their own angles to try and get the money. Suzie outsmarts them all and gets away with the money. (Though in a sense, none of them even had plans until she started enacting hers, and all of them, whether they know it or not, are just playing their parts in her plan.)
- The Perfect Crime: Murderer of two (indirectly causing one), Suzie rides off into the sunset with $8.5 million dollars.
- The Perry Mason Method: Invoked. Suzie breaks down in court to make the trial fail.
- Post-Rape Taunt: Teacher Sam Lombardo is accused of rape by two female students. They both claim that after the deed, he told them "no little bitch could ever make me cum". Subverted later on when it turns out that Sam and the two girls were running a scam together.
- Practically Different Generations: A plot point that was left on the cutting room floor revealed that Sandra Van Ryan's late father, a notorious philanderer, is also Suzie's father. This makes Suzie and Sandra half-sisters, even though Sandra is a woman roughly in her 40s and Suzie is a teenager (played by a 20-something actress). Being a Van Ryan bastard also gives Suzie more plausible motivation for feeling entitled to a considerable part of the Van Ryan family fortune.
- Prison Rape: Implied when Ray mentions that when Suzie was convicted of drug possession, she was sent to juvenile hall at Camp Nine... which his partner immediately mentions is nicknamed Camp "Sixty-Nine".
- Punk in the Trunk: As the Suzie in plastic.
- Rape Discretion Shot: When Lombardo us approached by a drenched Kelly, the scene fades to black. The next scene shows Kelly, distraught and running away with her clothes disheveled.
- Red Herring: Alligators feature heavily throughout the film, from the opening credits to Suzie's brother working as a gator wrangler, to a shot of Sam feeding one off of his boat. When Suzie is murdered, it seems that her killer drags her out to the bayou to feed her corpse to the gators... except it's implied she's buried instead. Then it turns out she didn't die in the first place.
- Roaring Rampage of Revenge: In some ways, this is what the conspiracy is all about. Suzie wants revenge on Kelly for looking down on her and treating her like white trash, she wants revenge on Sam for not helping her out when she was sent to juvenile hall on false charges, and she wants revenge on Ray for murdering her boyfriend and sending her to juvenile hall.
- Self-Defense Ruse: The entire plan began when Kelly van Ryan accuses Sam of rape. Though he was in on it too. In a variant as revealed in The Stinger Ray also pulled it off. Using the false self-defense excuse to cover his murder of Kelly. He avoids any prosecution for murder, but his bosses are suspicious enough that they fire him.
- Sexy Discretion Shot: When Sam goes to give the girls a coupon for washing his jeep, Kelly approaches him with her clothes completely soaked and the scene cute to black before we see anything happen.
- Sexy Soaked Shirt: Both girls Kelly and Nicole rock soaked shirts during the car wash. After the car wash, Kelly approaches Lombardo wearing one.
- Sexy Surfacing Shot: Kelly slowly climbing out from the swimming pool ladder in a one-piece bathing suit.
- Shower Scene: Ray Duquette steps out of a shower near the end to meet up with Sam Lombardo, his accomplice in the whole scheme.
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Squick: In The Reveal during the end credits, Sam is shown being unable to pull Suzie's teeth with a wrench. Then he turns away in horror when she does it to herself. - The Summation: Shown in a flashback sequence at the end.
- Surprise Incest: In the extended cut, Suzie is revealed to be Kelly Van Ryan's aunt. As part of Suzie's scheme to con her older half-sister Sandra Van Ryan (Kelly's mom) out of millions of dollars, she knowingly had sex with her own niece several times. It's subverted in that no one except Suzie was ever aware of this and Kelly never learns the truth.
- Suspicious Spending: Towards the end of the original script, Ray's partner notices that Walter and Ruby have a very nice new TV, something clearly out of their budget. She's suspicious, but not enough to figure it out.
- Tampering with Food and Drink: Double Subverted. When after all the backstabbing between the conspirators only a final guy and girl are left, the guy is smart enough to expect the drink he's offered to be poisoned, but is assured when the girl tells him that she would be an idiot to try it because he's the only one who can pilot the sailboat they're on back to shore. This is a lie—the drink is indeed poisoned, and the girl is much smarter than she made herself out to be. Just to be sure, she releases one of the booms to knock him into the water to drown.
- "Take That!" Kiss: After Suzie and Kelly's fight in the pool. Though Suzie quickly kisses back, and it's implied they then have sex. Could also be seen as a Kiss of Death if Suzie wasn't running the show.
- Teacher/Student Romance: Minus the romance. The trial revolves around Lombardo being accused of raping both Kelly and Suzie. It turns out Kelly was actually sleeping with him by choice (and for a much longer period), as does Suzie on at least one occasion.
- Threatening Shark: In an early version of the script (see What Could Have Been on the Trivia tab), Suzie kills Ray by not only shooting him with a spear gun, but by then tossing him in the water and throwing in a bucketful of chum after him. This attracts a school of sharks, who rip Ray apart in a feeding frenzy.
- A Threesome Is Hot: Between Sam, Kelly, and Suzie.
- Threeway Sex: Sam, Kelly and Suzie having a threesome in a hotel.
- Title Drop: An odd Double Subverted example. The original title of the film was Sex Crimes, which is one of the first phrases spoken in the film during the high school's opening presentation about sexual harassment. It was changed to Wild Things later on, but the title was retained in several foreign countries.
- The Tooth Hurts: Suzie is shown pulling out one of her own teeth to fake her death during the closing credits.
- Tropical Epilogue: Packed with revelations.
- Turn in Your Badge: Ray is asked to do this after his second lawful shooting, due to the (well-founded) fear of Da Chief that with that kind of luck, the shootings might not be so lawful after all. Of course, this isn't where the consequences end.
- Two-Person Pool Party: Hot lesbian pool sex between Kelly and Suzie.
- Vigilante Man: Ray Duquette (or so it first appears).
- Villain Protagonist: The protagonists are Suzie, Sam and Kelly who are working together on an elaborate scheme to con millions off of Kelly's mother. All the while they are double crossing eachother with Suzie ultimately coming out on top as the mastermind.
- Wham Line: Kelly to Sam in the hotel: "It worked! We screwed the bitch!"
- Wham Shot: Kelly and Suzie appearing at the hotel to celebrate with Sam.
- Wife-Basher Basher: Sandra's Latin Lover is implied to have more in the looks department than he does in the brains department, but he is disgusted when it appears that Sam raped Sandra's daughter Kelly. He uses one of Sandra's jeeps to drive Sam off the road, then beats him up afterwards.
- Woman Scorned: Invoked. Kelly accuses Sam of rape because he turned her down. It turns out that was also a lie.
- Would Hit a Girl: Ray Duquette certainly would. Underneath the surface, he's actually an abusive, misogynistic prick who beats hookers and happily agrees to the murder of at least two teenage girls, killing one by breaking into her home and shooting her in cold blood.
- Wouldn't Hit a Girl: Zigzagged by Sam. Although he's pissed off at murdering Kelly, it has more to do because he's concerned about a potential Spanner in the Works than because of any concern for Kelly, given that he was ready to frame her for murder and abandon her to a lifetime in prison. On the other hand, the film's credit's sequence reveals that Sam is also horrified at having to remove some of Suzie's teeth to provide physical evidence for her staged murder, which she needs to do herself as a result.
- Wounded Gazelle Gambit: Kelly falsely accuses Sam of raping her after he turned her down.
- You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: Kelly, Ray, and Sam.
- You Taste Delicious: Sam licking the champagne off Kelly's breasts during the threesome between him, Suzie and Kelly.
