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Broken Base: Film
Whether it's from original to remake, prequel to sequel, or even scene to scene, film fans are not unknown for succumbing to Broken Base.


  • The Alien franchise, in all its forms:
    • Although most fans seem to generally agree that the first two films, Alien and Aliens, are of higher quality than anything that came after it, there are arguments over which film is better. Some prefer the cerebral horror, mounting tension and Anyone Can Die mentality of the first film (and hate what James Cameron did to the franchise afterwards), while others prefer the militaristic non-stop action and Ripley's Character Development of the second.
    • Alien³ splintered the fanbase into pieces over its continuation of the story from the previous film, leaving fans in different camps:
      • Were Hicks' and Newt's death justified because they wouldn't have contributed much to the action on Fury 161, or was it cruel, pointless, nihilistic and nonsensical due to the chain of events that caused it?
      • Was the return to the "one alien in a confined space" plot good for the series and Ripley's character development, or was it just rehashing the first film?
    • The Alien vs. Predator spinoffs fueled many debates and arguments between fans who either hate one or both of the films:
      • Fans of the first film either enjoy it because it finally brings two of the galaxy's biggest enemies face-to-face, or hate it because it squanders the source material and reduces several of the fights to a glorified wrestling match between the two species.
      • Fans of the second either enjoy it because it has an Ensemble Darkhorse Predator in the form of Wolf and some proper Alien/Predator battles, or hate it because it once again squanders its potential, making it both part-soap opera and a Shaggy Dog Story.
    • Prometheus didn't make things any better, with fan wars springing up in the wake of its release:
      • Is the film a part of the Alien franchise, a separate story in the same universe, or a completely standalone film? It doesn't help that Ridley Scott has flip-flopped on this.
      • Is the reveal about the "Space Jockey"/Engineer's true purpose and impact on Earth's development a big step forward for the franchise, or is it a poorly-written, nonsensical excuse to explain a story element that should have remained mysterious?
      • Are the characters reacting realistically to the threat given their observer backgrounds, or are they carbon copies of the characters from Alien who really should conduct themselves in a scientific manner?
  • Star Wars:
    • The quality of the prequels compared to the original trilogy.
    • The relevance and relative quality of the Star Wars Expanded Universe to the films themselves.
    • The new movies: awesome updates of a struggling film franchise or a sign that soulless corporations will desecrate Star Wars for money.
  • Indiana Jones: which one is better, Raiders of the Lost Ark or Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade? Also, are Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and/or Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull worth something or not?
  • Batman: Were Nolan's films dark, realistic, and thoughtful or just too pretentious and serious? Was Batman Forever (since Batman & Robin is universally hated) entertaining, campy, and respectful to the comics or a long toy commercial with lots of Narm? Were Tim Burton's films deep, beautiful, well acted, and respectful to the material, or too dark, disrespectful, and violent? Was Batman: The Movie entertaining and hammy, or corny?
  • Little Shop of Horrors fans constantly debate over whether the Focus Group Ending or the original ending is superior.
  • Fans of Honey, I Shrunk the Kids either hate the TV series for retconning the movies and changing the characters, or love it for the extra adventures and the addition of the Time Machine. Sometimes there will be middle ground, but whichever Continuity is preferred depends on who you ask.
  • While Sean Connery's role as James Bond is almost unanimously loved, any other actor playing Bond after him has been either loved or hated by the fans.
    • There's two types of James Bond fans: Those who like the more dark, emotional, serious Bonds (and therefore generally prefer Dalton or Craig's roles), and those who like the more camp, joking, lighthearted Bonds (and therefore generally prefer Moore or Brosnan's roles).
    • Licence to Kill is probably the biggest Broken Base over a single film. Generally a consensus on a film will form within a few years of its release (though there will always be those who disagree). Licence to Kill is almost always at the top or bottom of movie rankings.
    • Honorable mention to On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Most fans agree the movie itself is good (some rating it among the franchise's best), but George Lazenby's Bond incites no end of arguments.
  • Blade: Trinity created an upheaval among fans; some felt the Nightstalkers overshadowed Blade (especially Hannibal King), while others felt the Nightstalkers were the best thing about the movie.
  • Spider-Man 3.
  • Honestly ALL of the X-films (outside of the first 2, and maybe The Wolverine) are argued over. X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine are for the most part outright hated, First Class is well liked by the critics but is polarizing among the base and general public. Storm as a character is also hotly debated, usually from people who either hate the actress or the character, or hate the character because of the actress. Then there's the debate over whether or not the character's casting was a blatant case of But Not Too Black. And then there's the issue of the films being overly wolverine centric to the detriment of other interesting and popular characters. The last 2 issues are HUGE flame starters.
    • It doesn't help that people are starting to see Wolverine as a Creator's Pet for FOX.
    • The Wolverine:

      Some fans were rolling their eyes at the prospect of another Wolverine film, while others were more optimistic due to its change in director.note 

      The decision to bring back Wolverine's bone claws but still have an adamantium body has split fans in two.
    • X-Men: Days of Future Past:

      The inclusion of Quicksilver, mainly due to The Avengers director Joss Whedon also including Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in The Avengers: Age of Ultron. The situation has been compared to both Sean Connery and Roger Moore playing James Bond in Dueling Movies in 1983, with Connery's "non-canon" Bond being compared to this Quicksilver and Moore's "canon" Bond being the analogue to the MCU's version.

      The fact that the film isn't part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, with the aforementioned Quicksilver issue not helping matters. For many fans, the fact that this movie got excellent reviews makes it debatable whether it would be worth it or not for Marvel to get back the X-Men rights at this point.

      The Cosmic Retcon done to X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine due to the events of this film. To some, is great news because of the lackluster reception those films got, while others who liked those films feel it's dispresctful to the other directors to retcon them out of existence entirely.

      The decision to make Wolverine the main character of the storyline when Kitty Pryde was in the comics. It makes more sense with the movie series's established plotline (Wolverine is sent back via Mental Time Travel to the 1970's and Kitty hasn't been born yet), but it's still a bitter pill for Kitty fans and people who wanted to see another X-Men movie where Wolverine was NOT the main character. It also goes in reverse; many fans who have stuck with the series since the release of X1 have argued that the film would have had a drastically reduced emotional impact if we had Kitty instead of Logan, seeing as how little screen time she had in the previous movies, though there was no reason they couldn't have both gone back. Although Logan's role in the movie is actually fairly minor in that when in the 1970's as he takes a backseat to Charles, Erik, and Raven.

      Kitty Pryde having the new power of sending people back in time, with no explanation given. DOFP writer Simon Kinberg stated Kitty developed this secondary mutant power after X3, as the film's artistic license, but they never explain how it happened.
  • The Iron Man sequels. Are they (like the X-Men example above) a new kind of Wolverine Publicity? Is Iron Man 2 acceptable because Robert Downey, Jr. delivers as usual but just damn frustrating? Is Iron Man 3 a good follow-up to The Avengers with a legitimately clever and surprising plot twist or a disrespectful movie that wastes a completely good villain? The debate won't cease.
  • When it comes to the horror film called The Descent there are a lot of Alternate Character Interpretation debates concerning Juno and Sarah that have splintered the fandom, and caused a lot of Internet Backdraft...
    • Some see Sarah as a broken sympathetic woman who was pushed over the edge by Juno's idiocy and incompetence. She found out about Juno's affair with her husband, and the cover up of the injury to Beth. Others see her as a psycho bitch who unfairly condemned Juno to death by intentionally wounding her leg over a genuine mistake she made.
    • Some see Juno as a good (but flawed) friend who was just trying to make the group of friends close again by taking them caving. And acted heroically when they were being attacked by the mutants (for the most part). While others see her as a incompetent home wrecking jackass who got everyone killed.
    • Then there's the third group who see both of them as sympathetic flawed characters.
    • Group 4 sees them both as unredeemable jackasses who deserved everything they got...But felt sorry for everyone else who was dragged down with them.
      • The surprisingly good sequel gleefully plays with this. Adding more fuel to the fire.
    • As mentioned below there's also debates over whether The Crawlers adds to the film or ruins it.
  • Then there's Highlander... oh dear God. You got the Original fans, the Zeist people, the TV series fans, the multiple continuity fans, the "stong immortals" fans and their "weak immortals" nemeses, those who cherry pick, those who actually liked The Source, and those that come up with their own unique views. And guess what, that doesn't cover HALF of the categories these fans are grouped into... AND they all hate each other with such a passion it makes sunis and shias look like first graders fighting in a schoolyard.
  • The Godzilla fandom. Particularly when it comes to the American remake.
    • Another example would be the recent Millennium-era films that were released from 1999-2004.
    • Godzilla Final Wars. Is Godzilla strong, or ridiculously unbeatable?
    • Destoroyah's. Fans can't agree on whether it should be a male (which he is in the canon of the games), a female (due to many fan observations regarding his...erm...biology), or both/neither (again, due to numerous fan observations). Doesn't help the only film it was in mostly just used gender neutral pronouns or masculine terms without gender being a definite.
    • King Kong vs. Godzilla. In general, fans are divided over who should've won even though Toho Studios has stated that Kong technically won. The ambiguous ending doesn't help matters.
    • Which era of Godzilla films is also hotly debated. Were the Showa (1955-1975) films fun yet cheesy films or low-budget over-the-top messes? Was the Heisei (1984-1995) era a good throwback to Godzilla's darker roots or were they nothing but wangst and boring "beam war" fights? And, then there's the aforementioned Millennium era. Good luck getting the fans to agree on any one era.
    • Even the monsters that go up against Godzilla fall under this. On the one hand, you got fans who want to see Godzilla go up against more original monsters. On the other, you got fans who want Godzilla to fight more classic monsters like Ghidorah or Mothra. They rarely, if ever, agree with one another on any level.
  • Godzilla (2014):
    • When this leak of Godzilla himself was posted online, fans were split. Many believe he looks like he should and that he retains most of his most notable features. On the other hand many don't like the more "human like" eyes of the design, his small teeth, the sauropod-esque feet, and the gills on the side of his neck. Then there's the mightily revamped sound of his roar....
    • When word came that Toho had seen the full film several weeks before release and thought it was great, fans were split on whether that praise amounted to anything. Some fans thought that it was proof that the film would be great if the original makers of Godzilla thought it was so, while others pointed out that Toho have also put their seal of approval on lesser Godzilla films like All Monsters Attack and (initially, at least) Godzilla (1998).
    • Viewers tend to be split between the camps of "strong entry in the Godzilla series that carries the spirit of the 1954 original" and "weak due to boring human leads and too little Godzilla," with a middle grouping of "good overall, but could have used more Godzilla presence." This spread even to professional movie critics.
    • Godzilla's relatively heroic portrayal in this film. His original role as nature's wrath summoned by humankind's folly (the atomic bomb) is downplayed, as the Mutos take that role (awakened by the activities of a mining company) and he arises as their Alpha Predator, nature's way of restoring order and balance. Those against it dislike how the film claimed to be closer to the spirit of Gojira by making him more of an antagonist, to the point of editing several trailers to make it seem as though Godzilla was the only threat (while the Mutos remained absent for a while). Those in favor of it claim Godzilla is still a gray-tinted Destructive Savior and think it's a good way to keep audience sympathy with him while he fights other monsters, so it doesn't turn into an uncheerable Evil Versus Evil.
    • There are some that complain that the film is nowhere near as dark and grim as the trailers made it out to be.
    • The short amount of screen time Godzilla got compared to the human characters. Those who didn't mind it point out that the amount of screen time Godzilla had in the Showa Era films were relatively similar to this film. Those who did mind are divided between whether Godzilla became a secondary character in his own movie, or felt his on-screen presence was sufficient but could have been balanced out by making the human characters more interesting.
    • The way the movie keeps teasing the audience by cutting away from the monster battles to the humans. The teasing either makes the climax all the sweeter or sours the whole experience. Many believe the impact of Godzilla's first full-frontal appearance in Hawaii, about to fight one of the Mutos, was weakened by cutting away to Ford's family watching snippets of the fight on the news after it happened. The climactic San Francisco battle is directly shown but still heavily intercut with the humans, especially the soldiers. In contrast, the Japanese movies tend to have longer battles with less interruptions.
    • The smaller focus Godzilla got compared to the Mutos. This might be understandable for a sequel where Godzilla is already established, but not for his origin story. The Mutos drive the plot much more than Godzilla does, despite what the trailers would have one believe — they're the real "antagonists"; it's them who Bryan Cranston's character is freaking out over. He doesn't even know about Godzilla.
    • The design of the Mutos. Some think they're too bland with their drab black/grey color, especially since Godzilla is the same color and they fight several times at night. Other like them for how utterly different they look from any previous kaiju, looking nothing like a man in a suit.
    • Although there's really no argument in the hard-core part of the fanbase, some of the more "flexible" fans and general monster movie lovers are divided on whether this movie is better or worse than the 1998 film. Frequently argued-over topics include which one's more fun, has more memorable characters, what their actors are given and how well they pull it off, gives more screen-time for the titular creature, and which depiction of Godzilla is more serviceable to modern, non-fan audiences.
  • Question: Are 28 Days Later and its sequel movies zombie movies? It may seem like a simple yes-or-no question, but there are places on the Internet where you will be lynched if you get the answer wrong.
  • The Lion King sequels. To some, they are extremely impressive and some of the few good Disney sequels made. To others, they are crap.
  • Horror fans seems to be split over the quality of audacious foreign horror films when compared to American horror films. They're either refreshing and daring, or gory pretentious crap.
    • Also among horror fans there's a sub-debate on what should be considered a Horror film as oppose to a Thriller and vice versa. Some feel that Thrillers are neutered horror films made for people who can't hack "Real" horror.
    • Another divide is over the style and approach of making horror Films/Books etc...Some prefere the subtlety of Nothing Is Scarier, Faux Horror Film, Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane, and Doing in the Wizard approach (Exemplified by the people who thought The Descent was good "Until the crawlers showed up"), Some preferring the Through the Eyes of Madness approach, some prefer the Gorn approach. Or perhaps some prefere the Attack of the Killer Whatever and or Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever. Some even take the diplomatic approach and prefere all of the above.
    • And within the film medium there's the whole debate over when is dark, bleak, and depressing, too dark, bleak and depressing? And the use of the Downer Ending... Some are of the opinion that people are Completely Missing the Point and that horror is SUPPOSED to be dark, bleak, and depressing. Others take the view that using such a limiting definition and emotional palate only serves to make everything ultimately seem exactly the same.
      • The thing is; by nature Horror is very dark, bleak, and depressing anyway. Just look at H.P. Lovecraft's work along with Edgar Allen Poe, and the Frankenstein novel. This isn't anything new really. The dividing line comes from people trying to deviate from the formula. While others think this actually takes away the effectiveness of the genre rather than add to it (however if it's a genre mash up it's usually seen as ok). This is likely a microcosm of the debate over people liking/hating the fact that some horror stories add either action, humor, and or sci-fi.
      • Necessary Weasel, and Anthropic Principle plays a HUGE part in these debates.
    • The disagreements over bleak and dark tone seems to be mostly a matter of personal taste than anything. Same with having actual ghosts/demons/aliens etc..in the film.
    • And whether or not to use humor and comedy. Does it add to the movie, and mood or destroys it?
    • For the Literature medium there are those who prefer the short and simple stories to the 900 page Doorstops. Mostly because they think Horror stories are much more effective as short stories, as bigger books tends to drag.
    • There's also a debate over perceived attitudes towards the genre. For instance on message boards there will be a fan who'll be like "Yaaay they're making Terror On Cliched Street part 20!", and another disgruntled one who'll be like "*ugh* Hollywood has run out of ideas". The latter thinking the former is everything that is wrong with horror today. While the former think that the latter group are a bunch of pretentious Jerkasses who think foreign horror is the best thing since indoor plumbing, and is taking the genre too seriously. While the latter fires back by saying they're the ones that are giving horror fans a "bad name" (and by extension the whole genre).
    • Even then people argue that if it doesn't have any supernatural/fantasy/sci-fi elements it's not a real horror film. Some think adding too much sci-fi and technobable ruins the genre, likely a microcosm of the Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane approach where they use science or sci-fi to explain away the paranormal/supernatural (which some see as a cop out). Same thing can be said for adding in action (See James Cameron's Aliens below)
    • In addition to the above is it a bad idea to try and explain everything in a horror story/plot. Or is it best to leave it mysterious and vague?, Or is that a Writer Cop Out?
    • Anytime a Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane horror movie turns out to be Real After All. Case in point The Last Exorcism.
    • There's also accusations of people Running the Asylum for the worse, By keeping all of the arguably negative stuff around because they think it's the norm for the genre. Creating a horror version of Sci-Fi Ghetto.
    • Found Footage horror is very polarizing among horror fans. Regardless of how well made they might be.
    • It doesn't help that the horror genre is subjective (and polarizing) to begin with.
  • Speaking of horror films, there seems to be a divide on how to make zombie films, and what makes a good zombie film as oppose to a generic zombie film. Should they be humorous zombie killing action pieces? Or dramatic, thought provoking, Socio-Political commentary and or deep character studies?
    • As mentioned in the 28 Days Later example, what does or does not constitute a proper cinema Zombie is up for big debate. Can Zombies be fast or does that fly in the face of what a Zombie should be? Are they mindless walking corpses with no goal other than to eat the living, or should they have a deeper level that allows them to form basic plans and organize? Are they caused by magic? toxic waste? a virus? Numerous fans will insist that changing a single element destroys the Zombie title.
  • Punisher: War Zone: is it a return to the series' roots after the jokey The Punisher from 2004, or is it an over-the-top violent spectacle that strays too far from reality. Also, is it either completely horrible or the best Punisher film ever? Discussed in this Patton Oswalt podcast
    • There's also a debate on whether or not Punisher is actually mainstream film material. Most of the violence people complained about in War Zone came directly from the comics.
  • Similarly Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Mostly over its "lighter" tone compared to the first film which was darker with a lot of horror undertones.
    • There's also a split over what the franchise should cover. One group want more exploits with Arnie's T-800 model, while the second group think Arnie is played out, and want to see future John Connor lead the resistance against the machines. The latter group is getting their wish....well they WAS getting their wish. After the lukewarm reception of Salvation (and a myriad of legal issues) the direction was up in the air . Then they decided on a reboot.
      • The divide boils down to More/Less time travel, More/less Arnie, More/Less future resistance battles, More/Less Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor. Exemplified by the responses at the bottom of this article. The base is essentially shattered into a million pieces.
    • This might have caused some resentment towards T2. Some fans felt Cameron just rehashed the first Terminator film, but with better special effects, instead of giving them a movie about the future John Connor.
    • The current split seems to be between whether The Sarah Connor Chronicles or Terminator Salvation is the superior take on the franchise, but there is relatively wide agreement that Salvation wasn't nearly as good as hoped. That's a different can of worms though.
    • And then there's the other Contested Sequel, Terminator 3. Did it simply turn the first two movies into a Shaggy Dog Story, while turning on its head the main theme of Terminator 2 ("There is no fate but what we make")? Or was it still a good flick in its own right?
    • The thought of rehashing the time travel plot for a possible 5th film (if it's ever made) is definitely polarizing among fans.
      • This looks exactly like what the "reboot" is doing for better or for worse.
  • George A Romero's Diary of the Dead is either a sign of his further decline, or his rebound.
  • The Matrix movie was followed by those other two sequels. Also check out this xkcd on Matrix's 10-year anniversary: "- Wanna put on the other two? - Crash! Wham! Ow! Ow!"
  • Toy Story vs Toy Story 2. While the first one was an instant classic, the sequel is often thought of as being an Even Better Sequel which has led to much dispute between fans of the first. At least Toy Story 3 had universal acclaim.
    • Shrek gets this as well, between its first and second movies. But definitely not its third.
  • On the topic of Pixar: Is Cars 2 a shining example of sequelitis, or is it just as good as the original (however good you thought the original to be)?
  • Disney fans who have accepted the company's shift to All CGI Cartoons and consider Tangled, Wreck-It Ralph, and Frozen to be a welcome return to form after the Dork Age of the 2000s vs. Disney fans who hate that they shut down their traditional animation studio for good and consider all CGI films they've produced to be not as "truly Disney" as their traditionally animated output at best and being an unforgivable betrayal of their animation roots/principles at worst.
    • And then there's the third group that loves the CGI movies but don't want Disney to completely abandon their traditionally animated films.
  • The film Paranormal Activity has about 3 different endings, and sure enough there's 3 different groups of fans that support one of the 3 endings over the others.
    • The sequels are liked to various degrees, but are liked overall. However part 4 has essentially broken the base. Some say it added more mystery and background to the series, while others say it was slow and boring and didn't explain anything.
  • The Resident Evil films, so much so that from an objective point of view it's actually two completely different groups of fandom at each others' throats. One group is the fanbase from the games, the others are solely fans of the films. In the beginning there might have been some cross polination. But around the time the second film arrived (or maybe the third) fans of the game split off. Relatively leaving only the Periphery Demographic as a fanbase for the film franchise. These two groups DO NOT like each other.
    • The character of Alice is also very polarizing.
    • The CG films vs. the live action films.
  • Some of the A Nightmare on Elm Street sequels created a Broken Base. Dream Warriors (which some even see as THE best NOES film), and The Dream Master are usually highly reguarded. Where as Freddy's Revenge, The Dream Child (Though some say had a great sureal eerie look, and interesting ideas), and Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare is the least liked, though there are a few who say Freddy's Revenge, and Dream Child is not as bad as everyone makes them out to be, But fans generally all agree that Freddy's Dead is the worst. And don't even bring up Wes Craven's New Nightmare which is especially polarizing (despite good reviews). And then there's the remake. There's also a dispute about who was the better heroine of the franchise: Nancy, or Alice?
  • Friday the 13th has the same issues especially with the polarizing The New Blood and Jason Takes Manhattan.
  • In Blade Runner, is Deckard a replicant, or is that a ridiculous idea that would defeat the entire point of the film?
  • There is a large split among great numbers of the fans of Peter Jackson. First, there are fans who prefer only his early So Bad, It's Good blood-splatter films Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles, and Brain Dead. These guys tend to think that Jackson sold out when he made the unimaginative, long, and boring The Lord of the Rings films and turned his back on True Art. Then there are the newer fans, most of whom were brought into the fold by The Lordofthe Rings, do not like his splatter films, but appreciate Heavenly Creatures, Forgotten Silver, and The Frighteners. The first group of fans looks on the second group as children, noobs, and various other Know-Nothings. The flame wars fought over the body of Jackson's work can get very nasty. Evidently, appreciation for the entirety of his work is just unthinkable to some.
  • Tom Savini's version of Night of the Living Dead. Some saying it's a terrible remake that tarnishes the original. While others says that it's incredibly underrated and complements the original, Some saying it's far more entertaining. Sub-arguments of this film are;
    • Patricia Tallman's interpretation of Barbara vs the original actress (O'dea) interpretation. Plus there's the Took A Level In Bad Ass that Tallman's character took.
    • Tony Todd vs Duane Jones' version of Ben.
    • Whether or not the revamped ending is better than the original.
  • The Halloween series. Some prefer the films with Jamie Lloyd to the Continuity Reboot H20, and Rob Zombie's films are nearly as divisive.
  • Phantasm III Lord Of The Dead is polarizing among the phantasm fandom. Also there's other points of contention like..
    • Is the Tallman of supernatural origin?, Or alien origin? (in the Sci-Fi sense). The series is very vague about this.
    • The sudden death of Liz from the second film is kinda dicey as well.
    • Tim and Rocky from Phantasm III.. Cool Bad Ass characters or over the top and out of place?
  • When, where and how certain characters got infected in The Thing (1982). In fact this could actually be a positive as it's part of the appeal when discussing the film.
    • Then there's the prequel... which is another can of worms.
  • The two versions of The Shining: Stanley Kubrick's version is a horror masterpiece, or a travesty that defiled Stephen King's original novel. The remake is a triumphant vindication of King's vision, or a dreadfully sub-par made-for-TV movie.
  • The World War Z has this because the adaption is very loosely based on the book.
  • The Transformers films. More so the Contested Sequels though.
    • Everything in all films really is a broken base. From Megatron and Optimus being brothers, is that metaphorical or not and does it make sense with any past canon? Is Dino actually Mirage and Que Wheeljack? With a lot of fans just ignoring Ironhide's and, sometimes, Jazz's deaths. To the ever popular "Is it a bad movie or not?"
    • The characters designs of any given Transformers series is one of the most frequently and viciously argued-over topics. Should they be made of few chunky bits or thousands of shards? Rectangular or sleek? Simple or full of details? Cartoony or realistic? Human-like or more alien? Interestingly, while the robot designs of the first three movies were criticized all over the 'net for looking too alien, the designs for the fourth installment are under fire from the "other side" for looking like humans made of metal.
  • Planet of the Apes: The timelines of the original film. There are devotees of the "it's all a giant circular timeline" theory, ie the aftermath of 'Battle' ends up back at the beginning of film one, and devotees of the idea that Zira and Cornelius changed history by coming into the past with Caesar.
  • RoboCop 2 is particularly polarizing, though most fans generally agree that the third was a movie made to sell toys.
  • Loki in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. There are four main camps: those who woobify Loki, those who hate Loki because of all woobifying, those who hate him in general, and those who like/enjoy him as a villain. The haters can be as obnoxious as the woobifiers because they usually try to explain the proper, rational reaction to everything that happened to him without even realizing that super villains in general don't act rationally. Given that Loki is the God of Mischief, this is somewhat fitting.
  • [REC] 3, has proven to be quite polarizing when compared to the first 2 films. There's also complaints about the inconsistency of how the "infected" is portrayed.
    • Whether or not it's a straight forward horror film or a horror comedy. The inclusion of overt humor put some people off while others were ok with it.
  • Fans of The Campaign seems to be split on who or what the movie was spoofing. Some believe it was spoofing how over the top political campaigns have gotten. More cynical fans believe their spoofing the naive easily fooled voters.
  • People are divided on whether or not The Pursuit of Happyness has a Family-Unfriendly Aesop or not.
  • Law Abiding Citizen, the contention comes from arguments on whether the 2 leads are "good" or "bad" , or whether or not Clyde "won" and proved his point or "lost". people are projecting their own ideology, morality and political beliefs into the film. Much like...
  • Changing Lanes, same issues as law abiding citizen. And like that film people are once again probably projecting their own personal beliefs, and morality unto the film. People debate Ad nauseam over who was the worse. Issues of class and race can also get brought up For Massive Damage.
  • The Bridges of Madison County is generally well liked. But the fans can't agree on whether or not it's a touching love story, or sentimental nonsense that rationalizes moral failure.
  • Escape from L.A.. Some consider it to be complete garbage, some say it's just as good as Escape from New York, and some even say that it's actually better (rumor has it that last camp includes John Carpenter himself).
  • The X-Files: I Want to Believe is either a great stand alone film, or a boring movie that's a filler episode in movie form. Though most fans generally didn't like it, it still has defenders.
  • Matilda. Some call it a film they remember fondly, while some just want to forget it.
  • Wreck-It Ralph's fanbase is split between the fanswho are obsessed with Turbo, constantly portay him as a misunderstood Draco in Leather Pants type of character and constantly pair their O Cs with them, then there are the fans who think that Turbo shouldn't be getting all the attention and the main characters and other characters should get their share of the limelight in the fandom.
  • Star Trek Into Darkness: For starters, was Khan's casting worth it to see Benedict Cumberbatch's acting talent, or was it pointless whitewashing of a famous person of color role? There's also the divide over the film being essentially a remake of a few specific Star Trek films, and Kirk's Disney Death.
  • The whole revamp of the Star Trek franchise prompted this- actually quite good, or a betrayal of the original franchise and all it stood for, just a cliché sci-fi action movie, whatever? And then there's the fans of the 2009 movie who never bothered to watch Star Trek until then.
  • A Goofy Movie has one between Goof Troop fans and non-Troop fans, and one between people who like An Extremely Goofy Movie and those who don't. The first two groups tend to go hand-in-hand, as do the second groups. The biggest consensus is that An Extremely Goofy Movie is not a very good stand-alone sequel, but is a great culminating film of the series.
  • Superman Returns led to fan arguments, with some saying it captured the feel of the Christopher Reeve movies, and others feeling that it ignored the comics and/or upset about how he left for five years for a stupid reason—that some fans use fanon to justify—only to come back and learn that he'd left a bun in Lois' oven.
  • Man of Steel divided Superman fans:
    • Is the film a worthwhile Continuity Reboot that got rid of the baggage from previous films, or are Richard Donner / Christopher Reeve the only ones who did it right?
    • Is Hans Zimmer's score great for the franchise and a fresh new spin, or is it rehashed material that does nothing to honor John Williams' famous compositions?
    • Is the film a proper Darker and Edgier retelling of the Superman origin that was a long time coming, or is it a weak substitute for the Lighter and Softer Reeve films?
    • Pa Kent: a concerned father who was only trying to protect his son, or a borderline Jerkass who expressed doubts whether Clark should even use his powers at all, let alone for good?
    • Should Clark have had more training before his first adventure or not, and why isn't he closer to the ideal, infallible, impeccable, and invincible hero people expected?
    • Did Clark do enough trying to take Zod out of Metropolis in the final fight, or did he not try hard enough to stem the level of carnage being done to Smallville and Metropolis?
    • Was Clark justified in killing Zod? Or, for other comic fans, the fact that someone involved in this film thought Superman should kill. Notably, he also kills Zod in the comics, and in the theatrical version of Superman II. Like in the comics and unlike Superman II he shows remorse. The degree of remorse and reasons for it are also disputed, though Snyder has hinted that it may have implications in films to come, as it did in the comics.
    • Lois knowing Clark's secret even before he becomes Superman, removing the traditional Two-Person Love Triangle. Though this happened before in the last season of Smallville.
  • Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, the sequel to Man of Steel, got this before it even started filming:
    • Should the film have been a solo Superman sequel from the get-go, or is adding Bruce Wayne/Batman good for the box office? More importantly, is this an actual Superman movie or a "Batman featuring Superman" movie in disguise?
    • Ben Affleck chosen as the new Batman for the sequel: there are those who are doubtful about him most especially the fans who still prefer Christian Bale to reprise the role and those who believe that he can pull off it as Batman.
    • The casting of Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman: a great move to finally depict an under-represented female superhero in film, or stunt casting that will be marginalized and near non-existent in the final film? Likewise, does Gadot have the acting experience and/or physique necessary to take on a major female superhero?
  • Pacific Rim: While few will question the entertainment value of the action set pieces, opinion is sharply divided on whether the writing and story are good.
  • Fans are often divided over who was really responsible for The Nightmare Before Christmas. Was it Tim Burton who wrote the original poem that the film was based off of or was it Henry Selick who directed the film?
    • Which is weird as while Burton did write the original idea and drew many design sketches, he had almost nothing else to do with the project, as he was busy during the time with both Batman Returns and Ed Wood and only oversaw production.
  • There is a huge split among the fans of both The Wizardof Oz and Returnto Oz. There are some fans of The Wizardof Oz that believed that the film was a true classic that defined the film industry, while they hated the sequel Returnto Oz for being too dark and scary for the audience. However, the fans of Returnto Oz applauded the movie for being much closer in tone to the original books while criticizing The Wizardof Oz for straying too far from the books and also blaming it for making Returnto Oz so underrated as a film.
  • Among the works of Quentin Tarantino, the film Jackie Brown is a base breaker, with fans generally placing it either at the top or bottom of Tarantino's oevre. As Tarantino's only straight adaptation (of the Elmore Leonard novel Rum Punch), it stands as a departure from Tarantino's standard style, so people who like Leonard's style more than Tarantino's style will generally favor it over his other works.

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