I refuse. I simply REFUSE to review this strip. Any one with an old story has probably wondered wanted to have little shout outs in the new story, but this is wayyyy too far. To the point it's nothing but ego fodder.
...DAMMIT SHIVE. You're in a cyclical cycle of circleness, you know that right? Just draw two lines going closer together as they go farther up the page, just so it looks like they are SOMEWHERE. Please, I beg of you.
And in the second panel, the glasses are back to looking like they are rectangular. Lovely. Shive, you're a lazy ass.
...STOP BEING LIKE ME DAMMIT!
OK. I like this joke. I really do. It lampshades the only one steve limit, and subtly too.
Now, at first I questioned the neededness of this gag strip, but if you pay attention, it's actually a retcon. We're gonna be getting a lot of these as time goes on.
Why color this strip? Why now? Nothing is happening! I guess so we know that Hitler is completely normal in every way color palette-wise.
I appreciate the addition of the lamp. It means Shive has not forgotten he's supposed to be delivering good art.
This strip pisses me off. A lot. You know why?
It's not because I called Shive out on the Tedd creating life being less impressive than some other stuff or how illogical it would be for that thing to have been created at random and now it's not a legitimate criticism.
It's that someone else must have told Shive! Dammit! It really puts a damper on my special snowflake syndrome. And you know whose fault it is? YOUR fault! Yes YOU! The people who dislike El Goonish Shive but never bothered commenting in the thread, making me think I was alone! THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT! HOW DARE YOU HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO WITH YOUR TIME!
Also, I like imagine that hallpasses in this school are in the shape of yellow stars.
Shive, what happened to the nice large faces you were doing? Why have we gone back to tiny central?
And so much TEXT, jesus, not even a different angle or pose to make it interesting.
What...what does that title mean? Is he trying to say he now has a lesbo and a homo? Cause a lack of one is not necessarily a double standard.
Uhm, maybe Nanase's reaction is the double standard? I guess?
Although, more importantly
HAVE I MENTIONED WE HAVE GAYS IN THIS COMIC?
Stop trying to be progressive Shive. You're doing it wrong. It's not 'make token minorities part of the main cast', it's 'have main cast happen to be token minorities.'
If you don't get the difference, you're not a writer.
Well, there is also the possibility that I'm being needlessly dense about it, but I like the other excuse better. It means it's not my fault.
And now we get to have fun and bring on the GAYNGST.
—sobs— may the gods have mercy on our souls.
On the bright side, much like everything else in this comic, it won't be touched upon for six months minimum.
Also, here we see the unrealistic, awkward, stilted dialogue of the EGS-verse. This does not sound like teenagers talking. It sounds more like a writer trying to define the character's mindset and thinking process.
If you were looking for a punchline in that last one, there isn't one. I'm dead fucking serious.
We're sorry, this section of the commentary has been postponed, with the mandation that we will start giving a fuck once Shive starts giving a fuck.
Nanase's house wifey dreams make sense when you realize what her mother probably wanted her to do.
It makes less sense when you realize she takes every chance to rebel against her mother's ideals.
—yawn— we get it, Nanase, you fear eating out another girl. There are more subtle ways to convey this. Just sayin'
Once again, we see this stilted way of ending a convo. Maybe it's realistic, but I doubt it. I think more realistically, Justin would have just said something along the lines of "Fine! Never mind. Forget I said anything." and what not.
Oh, and Tedd's last line of dialogue REALLY sucks as a line of knee jerk reactioning. Seriously. Not cool Shive. A "quit it" or a "I am not a girl" would have sufficed.
And here I thought this day would never come! Tune in soon, next time we get to meet my favorite (unironically speaking) EGS characters of all time!
11th Dec '10 9:31:51 AM flag for mods
Aha, the "plot" is here. And by plot we mean "ZAP."
18th Dec 10
Looking back at 139 I've come to realize, I think Tedd's a narcissist.
Ellen's your favorite? Okay, that's it, the commonalities end now! There is only one way to remedy this "foes with too much in common" thing.
MY OTHER FAVORITE CHARACTER IS TEDD!
18th Dec 10
@AC: WHAT? BLASPHEMY. No. I don't like her. She is not my favorite character. So, NYEH.
My favorite character of EGS are
18th Dec 10
I hate you, Shive.
No. Your storyline is not complex it is as basic as they come.
I love how Matt has to explain that he is wearing flannel and Ratt is wearing denim.
Look at Ratt's lips in the second panel.
I must, however, commend Dan for successfully pulling off the background joke.
Jesus, that is a scary-looking rat-thing.
AGG SARAH TURNED FAT IN THE THIRD PANEL
We could tell it was the intercom. Jesus, how retarded ARE his readers?
Meh. I kinda disagree with A_H_R. This isn't AS bad as it could be. Though he really doesn't need to reaffirm "YES I'M GAY" the second time.
:3 AHR! I came up with the mindset line! :D
Unless... Unless this actually does lead to Gayngst. Then that's a problem.
The comic also doesn't really end with a joke. It just ends with Nanase being upset. Har-har?
Also, that WASN'T the reason she broke up with him. She broke up with him because she could tell Sarah was the right one for him. If not, WHY DID SHE KISS HIM?!
Jesus. Justin is determined to turn her gay. Lighten up, Dude.
And fix your God damn dialog, Shive.
You tell 'em, AHR.
Elliot's hair looks like it's b lowing back in the second panel. Besides that, though, not much to comment on.
Wat. Tedd is a pervert, right? Wouldn't he be experimenting with himself? Like, masturbating? Figuring out what multiple orgasms feel like (you lucky geese).
And breasts can be seen in three dimensions. So Elliot would have noticed.
And if Tedd built that gun, he never fucked around with it like that before? Seriously?
Of course. Publicly humiliating a person and becoming a bully yourself is a hilarious prank. I hope Dan Shive both gets pig blood dumped on him AND gets locked in a burning gymnasium.
Why did Tedd turn the safety on?
And if it only lasts a day, why doesn't he just tell Grace?
Doesn't he have a lab at home? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to work on it there?
All those poses are very obviously symbolic of the very lewd things Tedd was REALLY doing in the bathroom. Just saying.
I dislike the fact that Shive keeps changing Ted's mouth state. Is it visible or not?
Why does Tedd need to go into the bathroom to fix the gun?
Tedd is a fucking asshole.
Elliot is still a douche.
They're perfect for each other. Why don't they both become gay? Or, since Tedd pretty much just violated Elliot, why not just stay hetero and do it?
18th Dec 10
Cakky, don't get all personal-attackish. Even if it involves references to pop culture.
18th Dec 10
Tedd's reaction is especially dumb because, up until a minute before, HE WAS A GIRL! It also took Elliot a while to realize Tedd gad boobs, so why is he so pissed all of sudden?
But anyway, yay, out first story arc is here. And while it is not exceptional, it will at least distract us from the horrible abominations Shive calls relationships My fault, we'll get tons of that stuff before the actual story arc. For a while, at least. sadly, it will also bring upon the Age of Sexchange.
Also, Elliot is still my favorite character -in the comic-, by the virtue of exclusion. Not that this is an actual achievement of any sort.
18th Dec 10
I assumed the being pissed off was a knee jerk reaction. Sore spot and all that.
I would be more willing to use that excuse if Elliot and Tedd were not very close friends and Tedd knew Elliot would never purposefully make fun of him.
18th Dec 10
Yes, but he was a girl. The whole thing basically runs like this:
Tedd: Dude, I am a girl.
- plot happens-
Elliot: How long do you have to be a girl again?
Tedd: DON'T CALL ME A GIRL!
That is not a knee-jerk reaction, that is just badly written Plot Convenience. Especially because the way Tedd is described, Elliot's transformation could have been easily accidental. Just see what happens in the next strip.
18th Dec 10
Heh, forgot about that 'turning into man make Tedd angry' justification.
Once again, I can just picture people mentioning this, and Shive decided to ultra justify it.
18th Dec 10
I think you might be giving a bit too little credit. The guy is capable of noticing his own mistakes once hindsight, or at least a bit more experience, sets in y'know. You don't have to assume somebody else had to point out the things that needed retconing for him.
It's not like Shive is proud enough to escape the 'you're your own harshest critic' saying.
On an unrelated topic, if you, for whatever reason, find yourself in the situation where you need to torture a creative type, just show them something they were really proud of five years ago.
18th Dec 10
@Gilphon: Possibly. I am mainly going by gut instinct here. Anything that seems oddly followed up on, I tend to wonder if it was due to fan reactions. Some I am sure he did himself, some, I am not so sure.
So this is mostly me taking a shot in the dark, trying to look at certain patterns, assuming a code fits to it, but it might or might not.
Especially since I do see some of myself in Shive, and I know that I would definitely be pondering those plot holes and shaky moments 24/7. I think this tend to shines through when it comes to the tech based plot holes, like how the ray gun works and all of that.
However, I do think some of these were indeed reactions to what the forum members were saying at the time.
As for the five year thing, heh, sad but true. Lets see if I can keep this level of crit up as we close that gap.
18th Dec 10
We still haven't gotten to the page where he explains the whacked-out reasoning behind that raygun thing existing... Oh I can't wait 'til you guys get to that point.
18th Dec 10
Also it just dawned on me that certain people (Cakman) assumed I was talking about this blog when I yelled at the readers for not commenting.
That is not actually true, I was referring to the ACTUAL EGS thread, where I had time to stew and develop a victim complex.
However, I would not object to anyone misinterpreting that and deciding to bend to my almighty will.
Also, adderall take-age has made me want to do a rant focusing on why I always use the 'I think Shive and I think similarlylol' tactic, which could become frustrating to someone who does not see this connection, or thinks I'm being delusional as all hell.
Lets see if this desire lasts towards the end of the day, when I'm less drugged up.
18th Dec 10
134: I think the joke was supposed to be Nanase overreacting and thus proving him to be right with her overly aggressive denial. I mean, it's not funny here, but it's a stock joke so I'm assuming that was the goal at least. Also, just gotta say, Nanase was RIDICULOUSLY all over him. And how could someone who was trying so hard to make herself be in love with someone ("I wanted him to be the right guy") end up with a relationship that she herself describes as "friends with benefits"? I think the only possible answer to both of those is that Nanase was overcompensating like there's no tomorrow.
Also, having just written that I'm suddenly feeling unpleasant about her later hooking up with Ellen if memory serves. Although even as forgiving as I often am I think I found that contrived the first time, I didn't get to find it creepy whereas I guess I have that privilege now.
135: You could easily skip reading this strip if you felt like it. A blind monkey toddler could have accurately predicted what would happen in this strip given the previous one.
136: I think there must be a fire on the other side of the door in that panel. Or a weird paper cutout trying to slip itself through all the cracks at once.
140: You're right. I can't picture using a three syllable word in a knee-jerk response like that, or not dropping the word "that" for that matter.
17th Feb 11
No! I was so interested in finding out more about stuff Shive wrote when he was in high school and even less skilled than now (By "now" I mean 2002, I guess. Now I feel old.)
I think the double standard is "If you're gay, that's okay, but how dare you suggest I might be?!"
"Your heterosexual relationship didn't work out? Well then, you're probably gay." Does Justin do this a lot?
Panel 1: I love how Nanase makes the same point I did now, and Justin just ignores it. Look dude, I know it's hard being the only non-hetero in this comic so far, but-
Panel 2: Ah my goddess, he's right, isn't he? Is gaydar his superpower? Real progressive giving the gay guy the lamest power in the comic, Shive.
It's in the dictionary, that's all I'm saying.
Maybe he has other guns? Like a shrink ray, or one that removes clothes (for "scientific purposes" I'm sure).
The "be very afraid" line from "The Fly" worked well as a tagline, but as a line of dialogue, it was pretty narmy. It sounds straight out of a 50s B-movie. Which is kind of fitting since it's a remake of a 50s B-movie. So yeah. Don't be afraid.
I don't think he ever said it would be permanent. Not saying it's a good plan, just not a retcon.
Maybe he'll learn humility. Or maybe he'll seek revenge and escalate from taunting to physical violence.
I got nothin'.
This wouldn't be so bad except even when Tedd is a girl, he doesn't really look like one.