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Bad Idea Theater: IN THE DIM SMOKE OF THE PAST THERE IS NOTHING BUT NOIR
You have no idea how bored I have to be to write these
I read a lot of the Noir stories during an internship in Marvel's archive room. Mostly pretty good stuff, though I did guess the big twist of X-Men pretty easily (you learn pretty early that in stories like these, you NEVER assume someone is dead without a clear look at their body).
Eegah
Goes to show what I know, because that surprised me. As did the other big twist at the end of the book.

So how am I doing so far, by the way? This is my first serious attempt at anything like this in a long time.
EponymousKid
You could try to give a little more personal interpretation of what you think works and what doesn't; right now it's more like a straight novelization (though a good one).
Eegah
Yeah, I thought that was an issue. And yet, I consider describing things to be my weakest point as a writer. I'll work on that in future installments, I guess.

Also, stop it, it's not good.
EponymousKid (edited by: EponymousKid)
Well, I can't say that I'm too familiar with this series, but it certainly looks like an interesting read. And I think you're doing a good job at reporting the action, as well as giving us your reflections on the work. I think that you should continue this fine project, and to give yourself a pep talk if you disagree with my use of the words 'good' and 'fine'.
EndarkCuli
...What the Hell happened to the first installment? I mean the real first installment. Augh, it disappeared! I'll try to get a re-write up in the next few days, sorry about this.
EponymousKid (edited by: EponymousKid)
Don't worry, imaginary readers, it gets better
As a pulp fan, my favorite bit of X-Men Noir was the text backup; seeing how it both mimiced the tropes of the pulp SF stories of the time, and was the sort of thing that would never have been published back then.
SKJAM
Yeah? Then I guess I really will do The Sentinels as the final part of this. And I mean final - after I've done the rest of the Noir series and Deadpool Pulp.

I don't suppose you have any preference to what I do next? I think I'll save Weapon X for later since its ties to this story are tenuous at best.
EponymousKid
The only other one I read was the first Spider-Man Noir one. I've heard the Luke Cage series was especially good.
SKJAM
Well, in the interest of putting both you and myself on familiar ground, I guess I'm doing Spider-Man Noir and thereafter its sequel, Eyes Without a Face.
EponymousKid
In the Spider's Lair!
Pretty decent story, all told, very suspenseful.
SKJAM
Uh, thanks, I guess. I mean, I didn't really write the story or anything. Man, I really hope I get the hang of this liveblog thing soon, I'm not even a third of the way done with these.
EponymousKid
The Mad Doctor of Ellis Island!
"Bureau of Investigation" is correct for the time period; the "Federal" part wasn't added till 1935. (Score one for Did Do The Research.)

The Crime Master needs very little change to fit in the noir setting; nor would the Big Man, actually, since they were very similar characters. (Which years later led to a particularly twisted storyline in Marvel Team-Up.

I'm guessing there's been a lot of disappearances in the ghetto recently, and Robbie may have connected that to Octavius' experiments.
SKJAM
Oh, and lynching was indeed illegal, the law referenced is similar to today's "hate crime" legislation, making it punished more harshly, and with (in theory) more government resources devoted to stopping it.
SKJAM
I think the Goblin arguably played the part of the Big Man already, though, acting as a Composite Character with the Green Goblin. But you're exactly right; that's one of the more interesting things about adapting Marvel stories into the Noir setting - so many details already fit in so well.

Thanks for the info, though. Man, Spider-Man Noir is so educational. It's like I'm really reading Spidey Super Stories!

Also, way to spoil a plot point, man.
EponymousKid
In the Theater of Death!
Yep, "everything's Jake" is period slang.

I loves me some Cliff Hanger (as you might have guessed from my Zorro liveblog.)
SKJAM
Just Over the Horizon...
Yep, it's noir, nobody gets out with better than a Bittersweet Ending.
SKJAM
The Man with Steel Skin
Yep, put on the right clothews, and minorities were and are invisible to the majority people.
SKJAM
The Legend Revealed
Given this is noir, I don't have much hope of the kid surviving.
SKJAM
Where Walks the Angel of Death!
Hmm, yep this looks pretty appropriate for a Punisher Noir story. Mind you, the "Punisher" radio show is a bit dubious, broadcast standards would have made the hero tone down his bloodthirstiness quite a bit. (Like The Shadow going from shooting down a half-dozen crooks per book to mostly having them suffer Karmic Death in the radio version.)
SKJAM
As we see in issue #2, the Punisher was inspired by the radio show rather than the other way around, if that helps. We don't hear much more of the Punisher radio drama, but I imagine the character being fairly heroic and having a lot in common with the Phantom for some reason — I get a real "ghost who walks" vibe from that "bullets don't faze him" line.
EponymousKid
The Wrong Man's Father
The Russian is a fun character in small doses. Thankfully, unlike some other comics characters, she's tied so heavily to the Punisher that she's unlikely to be overused.
SKJAM

Korval
He Lives, He Walks... He Conquers!
Yeah, I knew the Face Heel Turn was coming as soon as I saw the woman's name; she's Madame Masque. In 616, she was one of Tony's love interests for a while, having conflicting loyalties between her father (Count Nefaria of the Maggia) and the dashing playboy. Until something happened to permanently screw up her face beyond even Marvel U plastic surgery's ability to fix. She blamed Tony for it somehow, iirc.
SKJAM
I figured she was Madame Masque since she's a dark haired woman who gains a mask over the course of the issue - I just didn't say anything because I figured it would become more obvious in later issues, because she's pretty much guaranteed to show up again.
EponymousKid
In Which a Hot Lady is Chained and Whipped
Arsenal was also a robot designed by Howard Stark and buried below Stark Mansion in the 616 continuity. I forget its original purpose, but eventually it got activated and fought the Avengers. (Most of their heavy hitters were out of town at the time.)
SKJAM
Once again, shows what I know. I'm only superficially familiar with Iron Man, to be honest.

Any thoughts on the big twist, the guy who was obviously Thor, or Pepper being do-me-riffic?
EponymousKid
Big twist...I did not see that coming. Thor, too bad for him this is one of those stories where magic doesn't work. As for the last, I call Author Appeal.
SKJAM
A World of Marvels
This is really more "pulp" than "noir" except for Tony having to re-kill his father.
SKJAM
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say that about this. I'll defer to the experts, though frankly I'm not sure how a for real noir-ish Iron Man would go. I'm guessing he wouldn't turn into a motorcycle, though, huh?

This is an odd duck among the Noir books in that it's full of fantastic sci-fi elements, and they're all at the absolute fore of the story. Orihalcum, Namor and the Lady Dorma, Stark's repulsor pump, the Iron Man and War Machine suits, Arsenal... That's really what the hiatus between the end of Punisher Noir and the beginning of this was about, I just didn't know how to approach it - particularly since Luke Cage and Punisher Noir are probably the two series most grounded in reality.

Don't worry, though. If I remember Daredevil Noir correctly, it doesn't leave a noir cliche untouched.
EponymousKid (edited by: EponymousKid)
I'm probably not sharing any new information, but I certainly got an Indianna Jones-esque vibe from this series. Perhaps some of the bigger gaps in logic is due to our characters romantisizing events in their summaries, appealing to the flair of the times? Either way, it was certainly an interesting read...well, a read of what you read, at least.

I've probably said this before, but I'm definitely a fan of how you try and describe things; a good amount of detail without going into Scenery Porn levels, and interesting comments about a world I wish I could be more involved with. Don't lose hope if you don't get a comment every update, and please continue the excellent work you're doing.
EndarkCuli
Thanks! It's been a busy couple of weeks, which is why I haven't started Daredevil yet. Be on the lookout for it next week, because I've got my hands full with some other stuff at the moment. School's been very demanding lately. I never had any intention of abandoning this project or What If...?

I figured the Indiana Jones connection went without saying, though it might be more accurate to say that this series and Indy's adventures were both inspired by the film serials and pulp stories of the day
EponymousKid (edited by: EponymousKid)
The Devil You Know
Oh, I assure you, you're still doing a splendid job. I just suppose that this issue was more about emotions than plot; rather than the number of actions, it's the ferocity of Daredevil's character as he performs them. No longer calculating from the rooftops and making observations, choosing instead to go on the offensive and personally track down those that endanger his loved ones...you don't need five or six more paragraphs to accurately describe the intensity of the situation.

All in all, it's been a remarkable series thus far, and I hope that the final part doesn't disappoint.
EndarkCuli
Thanks, I appreciate that.

I shouldn't be so self-conscious; this issue was pretty straightforward, moreso than most. Most of the "action" took place in Daredevil's narration and there weren't any big sets that needed paragraphs of description. Sadly, I don't quite remember what happens next, but I doubt either of us will find the finale lacking.
EponymousKid
Speak of the Devil
It's a shame that the end of this Liveblog is so close, but at least I've enjoyed what's been put up so far. This ending was a tad bittersweet, considering that Matt and his morals go through the ringer, and what Fisk said isn't incorrect at this point. But of course, I shouldn't expect anything less from a Noir at this point.

Play on, maestro. Play on.
EndarkCuli
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