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* AccidentalInnuendo
** In 'The Long Patrol': Arven to Pasque,
--->"D'you see that sword? Did you know that it has the power to make pretty hare maidens happy?"
** The very same book also had this comment, after Log-a-Log shot an arrow into Skaup's paw. There's nothing weird about it, except the comment was "ribald." Look up the word ribald. ''Now'' read this comment and you'll find it to be strange...
--->"Be sure t'bring that arrow with ye, 'twas a good shaft!"
** Rinkul intended to "[[RapeAsDrama do that pair 'ard'n'slow afore dawnbreak]]" and there's a thoroughly disturbing passage about Gurgan Spearback using a spear to poke around in a hole in the side of the hill which is leaking water ... And the unintentional MinionShipping archery thing in ''Salamandastron''. ''And'' the UnfortunateNames. ''And'' the moles have been known to pronounce "came" as "cummed". ''And'' [[HaveAGayOldTime "quean"]] [[YouKeepUsingThatWord does not mean what Mr Jacques says it means]]. And by this point one really has to wonder if he's doing it deliberately.
** Much less funny version during Mariel's capture scene; the searats grab her, call her "pretty", and then do ''something'' which she can't even describe because it causes a panic attack. Context suggests they were throwing her friends overboard since one makes a remark about "feeding the fishes", but certain readers have wondered if that line may be, excuse pun, a red herring.
* AlasPoorScrappy:
** [[spoiler:Veil Sixclaw]]. He spends a majority of his life being a {{Jerkass}}, and then suddenly [[spoiler:sacrifices his life to save Bryony]]. No one even misses him.
** [[spoiler: Ovus]], and to a lesser extent [[spoiler: Prince Bladd]]. Scummy even wrote a poem/eulogy mourning him and [[spoiler: his late captain]].
** [[spoiler:Vitch]]. He spent the last moments of his life being a slave after [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Slagar betrayed him]]. And when he's finally freed, Matthias tells Mattimeo to spare him because [[CruelMercy he has nowhere left to go]]. [[DroppedABridgeOnHim And then Slagar appears from nowhere and kills him for no reason]].
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** So, was Veil EvilAllAlong, or was he [[ThenLetMeBeEvil driven to evil]] as a result of a SelfFulfillingProphecy and the self-righteous prejudice of the Abbeydwellers, only to rise above his circumstances to make a HeroicSacrifice?
** The Redwallers in ''Outcast of Redwall'', especially Bella. Did they really care about Veil, but got tired of his naughty behavior, or were they all [[BitchInSheepsClothing Bitches in Sheep's Clothing]] who pretended to like and accept Veil, but secretly treated him with indifference behind his back? None of this is helped by the fact that Bella intentionally named the ferret Veil because it was an anagram for "evil" and "vile."
** Bryony. Did she really love Veil as though he were her own son, or was she so excited with taking care of him that pretending to be his mother was just a playful game to her--a game she became obsessed over, because she was determined to prove the Redwallers wrong and that Veil really was capable of being good? Also, her reaction to [[spoiler:his death. Did she ''really'' believe that there wasn't a shred of kindness or good inside of him, or was she so traumatized by his death, and so tired of the Redwallers telling her "I told you so" that she forced herself to agree with them, despite know deep down in her heart that she was right all along and he did have good in him?]]
* AngstWhatAngst?: The death thing might be a case of DeliberateValuesDissonance: the death rate in Mossflower is much, much higher than in 21st-century Western [[TheRealWorld Real World]] societies, so they get used to it quickly, and while they don't seem to have a God as such they're a lot more certain of an afterlife than many people here are.
** One season old babes get in fights ''[[ChildSoldiers and kill]] other beasts''. Young teenagers watch close friends die, sometimes in very horrible ways. ''Salamandastron'' is a particularly fun case: Samkim stumbles upon a dead Brother Hal, then is accused of murdering him, and just days later sees several shrews and Spriggat partially eaten by a giant snake. On the Western Shore, a surly teenager is almost eaten alive by reptiles after seeing that her adoptive father is about to be attacked by a military force that vastly outmatches him. To the north, a young otter and a Dibbun are attacked by crows who'd quite like to eat them alive, and is so vastly outnumbered that the next charge will doom him. Back at the Abbey, everyone is dying of the plague. ''No {{angst}}!''
** One of the most jarring examples is in ''Taggerung'' when the Deyna/Tagg's mother and sister are helping to organize a feast and contest very soon after the murder and disappearance of their dearest loved ones. They try to get past their disappearance, [[SubvertedTrope but Deyna's mother ends up breaking down and crying, and Mhera wasn't doing much better.]]
** [[spoiler:Dauncey's death]] in ''Rakkety Tamm'' and [[spoiler:Asio's death]] in ''Eulalia!'' segway immediately into what's for lunch that day. [[spoiler:Asio]]'s is especially jarring. Also, Sister Atrata's death. All but two characters seemed to forget she even existed after she died, and were relatively unscathed.
* AntiClimaxBoss:
** Many fights between the protagonist and the BigBad are a CurbStompBattle. It is far easier to list the major villains who ''weren't'' this and put up a good fight or managed to take someone with them in the final battle: Cluny the Scourge, Queen Tsarmina, Ferahgo the Assassin, Ungatt Trunn, Gulo the Savage, Zwilt the Shade, and a couple of vipers. Everyone else were only dangerous as army commanders at best.
** Strangely averted with Badrang in the TV series. [[AdaptationExpansion The battle between him and Martin was somewhat longer and more epic than in the book.]]
** Intentionally subverted in ''Eulalia!''. Because we all know if Gorath had been consumed with the Bloodwrath, he would've killed Vizka Longtooth in [[CurbStompBattle two, maybe three sentences]].
* {{Anvilicious}}:
** The Veil Sixclaw subplot from ''Outcast of Redwall'' goes well out of its way to tell us over and over again that if you're "born" evil, there is little to no hope for redemption, and you don't have a shred of kindness in your heart. [[spoiler:Even if you sacrifice your life to save someone you love]]. This is especially jarring, because ''The Bellmaker'', the book that came out before this one, proved that you ''can'' be evil, realize how awful being evil is, have a HeelFaceTurn, and be forgiven for every bad thing you've done in your past.
** ''High Rhulain'' constantly keeps reminding us with Tiria that you shouldn't discriminate against women, and that any female can do the same things a male can do. Clearly Brian Jacques forgot that he already tried to show that with the dozens and dozens of other '''female''' {{Badass}} heroes (and villains, for that matter) this series has to offer.
* AssPull:
** Some of the BigDamnHeroes moments. One of the biggest ones occurs in ''Marlfox'' when [[spoiler: Song and Mighty Megraw save Burble, Dann and Dippler from bloodthirsty reptiles]]. What makes it an ass pull is that somehow, [[spoiler: Song found her long lost grandfather ''and'' her long lost aunt ''AND'' it turns out that her grandfather had raised a small group of hedgehog warriors who managed to kill all the reptiles. '''''AND''''' they all managed to find and practically patch up the ''Swallow'', even though it almost split in two after plunging down the waterfall]]. This all happened in about a day by the way.
** [[spoiler: [[RedemptionEqualsDeath Veil's death]]]] in ''Outcast'', which came out of ''nowhere''. It seemed like that was thrown in there just...because. And it falls into FridgeLogic, since [[spoiler: Veil]] [[TakingTheBullet Took The Spear]] for somebeast he had no problem trapping inside of a cave and leaving to die just a few chapters earlier, and he definitely did ''not'' show a change in attitude between then and his HeroicSacrifice.
* AuthorExistenceFailure: Due to a heart attack.
* AwesomeMusic: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0mD8_IGCA The TV show's theme song]].
* BaseBreaker:
** Veil Sixclaw from ''Outcast'', so very much. Some people sympathize with him because he's a JerkassWoobie with a tragic backstory who always falls victim to FantasticRacism by the Redwallers. Others don't give a shit, thought he had an unjustified FreudianExcuse, and considered his subplot [[TrappedByMountainLions to be an absolute waste]]. Some would even go as far as saying he ruined the entire book.
** Felldoh. On one hand, he took the LeeroyJenkins route and his actions resulted in the exact opposite of what he wanted to do. But on the other hand, he's badass, courageous, and had the balls to [[spoiler: attack Badrang ''by himself'' and humiliate him in front of his entire army by whipping him like a slave. If Badrang wasn't a stinking coward, summoning his goons to protect him, Felldoh would have no doubt killed him]]. And unlike Martin, Felldoh didn't waste his time dealing with a bunch of [[WackyWaysideTribe Wacky Wayside Tribes]]. Killing [[TheMole Druwp]] certainly helped in his favors as well.
** Horty is either a hilarious ButtMonkey [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass who has his occasional badass moments]], or he's a [[{{Wangst}} whiny]], [[TheScrappy annoying]] hare.
* CargoShip: Gabool/Bell. No, really, he does the IHaveYouNowMyPretty routine with it and ''licks'' it.
* ColorCodedForYourConvenience: Things that are red (the Goreleech, Veil's paws) are evil. Things that're rosy-pink (Redwall, the Arfship) are good. Generally speaking- it's not always the case but it seems like a running trend.
* CrazyAwesome: Cuthbert Blanedale Frunk, a hare with Multiple Personality Disorder in ''High Rhulain.'' On the flipside, he's also a SociopathicHero with a [[TearJerker pretty tragic backstory]].
* CreepyAwesome: [[BlackCloak Shadow]] from ''Redwall'' and [[BloodKnight Zwilt the Shade]] from ''The Sable Quean'' Farran the Poisoner from Salamandastron could probably count, except the fact he had no actual dialogue or character development, he ended up "just creepy"
* CompleteMonster: [[Monster/{{Redwall}} Now with its own page.]] The series has [[UpToEleven THAT MANY.]]
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Everything involving Blaggut. Also any scene with Dibbuns doing something cute or mischievous, or name any romantic couple (That doesn't end in death) [[spoiler: "Broggle and Fwirl" in particular, (Broggle being so completely shy and Adorkable, Fwirl being completely innocent to abbeylife) Gonff and Byrony, Tammo and Pasque. Even Dann and Song, or Dandin and Mariel. (Neither last two couples are confirmed to have fallen in love, but WordOfGod says it's the readers' decisions)]]
* DesignatedVillain: Generally speaking, anything that hunts the AlwaysLawfulGood characters is treated as a villain for that reason. Any sympathy or respect towards a creature's right to live tends to end at the "It eats us!" line, and there is no way a member of the typical victim species will perceive something like Asmodeus as anything short of pure evil. However, in the context of ''Redwall'' this comes as a bit of hypocrisy on the author's (and in a couple of cases even the characters') part, when similar unapologetic sapient-eaters (Stonehead, Aluco, etc) are treated as good friends, as long as they target vermin or reptiles.
** Asmodeus is a predator; he goes around eating animals that are smaller and weaker than him so he can survive. [[FridgeBrilliance Isn't that what snakes do in real life?]] He has this [[AGodAmI god complex]] viewing himself [[TheGrimReaper as a bringer of fate]]. He may be required to eat others to live, but he certainly isn't regretful of it.
** Zassaliss, Harssacss, and Sesstra, the adder triplets from ''Triss.'' Their mother was murdered right in front of them when they were young, a mace and chain cuts into their tails and binds them together, and they've ''still'' managed to survive by learning to hunt as a unit. They're treated as monsters and their death is mocked simply because...they eat woodlanders.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Veil gets a lot of this due to his more or less TakingTheBullet for Briony. The fact that he ''collapsed a sand dune on a family living in it'' tends to be forgotten.
* EndingFatigue:
** ''The Legend of Luke'''s climax came at the end of Part 2, making the five remaining chapters a bit hard to finish.
** ''Taggerung'' could've ended in multiple areas, especially when [[spoiler: Deyna returned to Redwall safe and sound]]. It doesn't.
* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** In the earlier books when the supporting villains (e.g. Redtooth and Cheesethief from ''Redwall'') got character development, many of them ended up popular with fans.
** After ''The Sable Quean'', Zwilt the Shade may well fit in this trope.
** There's also Romsca (''Pearls of Lutra''), Mariel (''Mariel of Redwall''), and Sister May (''Mattimeo'').
** [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge Grath Longfletch]] and [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass Clecky]] from ''Pearls of Lutra'', both of whom had more of a personality and interesting backstory compared to Martin. Let's just say there's a reason why Grath stands out the most [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060319161741/redwall/images/e/e2/UKPearlsOfLutraPB.jpg on the U.K. cover of the book]], and why Grath is ''the only character'' [[http://images.wikia.com/redwall/images/c/c4/Pol10.jpg on the U.S. cover of the book]].
** Rasconza, simply for being a {{Badass}} MagnificentBastard who managed to outsmart [[SmugSnake Ublaz]] on multiple occasions.
** Vallug Bowbeast and his team of vermin from ''Taggerung''. This does ''not'' include Gruven.
** Constance is rather popular in the TV series. Just look at all those comments on Website/YouTube implying her as a MemeticBadass.
** Plugg Firetail, perhaps the only character from ''Triss'' who isn't a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]], MarySue, or BaseBreaker.
** Notice how often Blaggut from ''The Bellmaker'' has been mentioned? He wormed his way into the hearts of readers for being one of the few vermin to [[spoiler: do a full HeelFaceTurn and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Earning His Happy Ending]] in doing do.]]
* FashionVictimVillain: Ublaz embodies this trope.
* FirstInstallmentWins: Nearly every Redwall fan agrees that the first book is the best one in the entire series. The others [[BrokenBase are mixed.]]
* FreudWasRight: The swords-and-roses motifs which recur throughout the series. Also, the scene in ''Doomwyte'' where a very large blind snake is trapped in a tunnel.
* HoYay: So much that it has [[HoYay/{{Redwall}} its own page.]]
* IronWoobie:
** Martin is TheWoobie of all woobies. To start off, when he was only a babe, his mother, Sayna, was killed by Vilu Daskar [[ForTheEvulz for shits and giggles]]. A few years later, Luke left his son in the paws of Windred, Martin's grandmother, so Luke could go kill Daskar. Even though Martin wanted to go along, Luke told him to stay behind, promising he'd return [[spoiler:(and we all know how that [[TakingYouWithMe turned]] [[HeroicSacrifice out)]]]]. Later on, Martin and Windred get captured by Badrang and his tyrants (again, for shits and giggles) and during the trip to Fort Marshank, Windred dies. Martin spent several seasons as a slave to Badrang and his tyrants, until one day he managed to get free and slowly develop feelings towards a mouse named Rose. Eventually, the two gather up an army of their own and assault Fort Marshank, but just when Martin is about to kill Badrang, Badrang [[spoiler:kills Rose, and he is quickly killed by Martin]]. Afterwards, Martin went through a HeroicBSOD and stayed silent for several days; the only time he even bothered walking was so he could head into the forest to go cry. And then, [[spoiler:Martin decides to leave all his friends behind, and to never mention them, Rose, or her home Noonvale so he can keep their memories and happiness locked away in his heart.]] After that he roams the land, until one winter, he's captured by Tsarmina's forces, [[spoiler:has his sword snapped in half]], and is then promptly held prisoner ''for the entire season''. And if it hadn't been for Gonff showing up, Martin would've died....Talk about BreakTheCutie...
** Urthstripe the Strong's life isn't happy. Unlike Martin, ''both'' of his parents were killed before he could even speak. He's abandoned during the winter, somehow gets separated from his brother, and is forced to grow up fending for himself. He ends up becoming ruler of Salamandastron, but he and his daughter Mara don't see eye to eye. Eventually, she leaves the mountain...just when Ferahgo and his army attacks. Towards the end of the novel, [[spoiler:Urthstripe pulls one of the most epic [[HeroicSacrifice Heroic Sacrifices]] of all time. Unfortunately, he dies right when [[FondMemoriesThatCouldHaveBeen he finds his long-lost brother...and just when Mara was about to reconcile with her father]].]]
* ItWasHisSled:
** [[spoiler:Rose dies]].
** [[spoiler:Veil Sixclaw dies]].
* JerkassWoobie: Veil is a horrible child even before he starts on the attempted murder, but given the circumstances it's hard to blame him.
* JumpingTheShark:
** It seems likely the target audience merely changed to a group a few years younger. This would explain why there's a good number of people who call themselves "former Redwall fans who still like the older books". Right around ''Lord Brocktree'', the target audience age stayed the same and you grew [[strike: out of it]] old enough to notice the FridgeLogic.
** At some point, Redwall subplots were forced into each book, and many of them had little or [[TrappedByMountainLions no relation to the main plot]].
* MagnificentBastard: Cluny the Scourge from ''Redwall'' and Rasconza from ''The Pearls of Lutra''.
* MartyStu: Martin. [[IThoughtYouMeant No, not that Martin]], Mattimeo's son from ''Pearls of Lutra''. Martin, his father Luke, Matthias, and Mattimeo all went through CharacterDevelopment and/or suffered some kind of tragedy (one of which turned Martin into a BrokenAce). Mattimeo's son, on the other hand, was just born perfect.
* MarySue:
%%** [[GodModeSue Tiria]] of ''High Rhulain'',
%%**[[PuritySue the Tabura and Salixia]] in ''Eulalia!''.
%%** Rose. Bless her heart, but Rose.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Slagar the Cruel [[spoiler:aka Chickenhound]] crosses this when he loots Redwall of many of its valuables and kills Methuselah [[UngratefulBastard even after]] they nurse him back to health.
** Fenno was already a {{Jerkass}} to begin with, but it wasn't until [[spoiler:he killed Log-a-Log by cowardly throwing a spear into his back]] that he ''leaped'' over the MEH.
* NamesTheSame: [[{{Blackadder}} Friar Bellows]] in ''Salamandastron''. Probably not intentional. There's also Martin in ''Pearls of Lutra'', who is not the Martin the Warrior who founded the abbey (that ''was'' his namesake, however).
** And in a slightly different version of this, there is a RealLife Abbey in France called "Cluny Abbey". When Brian Jacques heard about that, he said he thought it "quite spooky".
* {{Narm}}: At the very end of ''Triss'', the main characters set off in a ship named ''Freedom'' to free an island of slaves. Alright, fair enough. They arrive, charge into battle yelling "Freedom!" as their war cry, get the slaves shouting it out as well, and celebrate their victory by hoisting it up on a giant banner. Then, for no apparent reason, an orphaned baby mouse is discovered in the cells. They call him Freedom.
* ParanoiaFuel: In ''Loamhedge'', Martin's spirit tells Martha that Bragoon and Saro need to head to Loamhedge in order to find something that'll make her walk again. In Part 3 of the book, [[spoiler: Martha learns to walk ''on her own'' and Bragoon and Saro end up sacrificing their lives, which implies that Martin had Bragoon and Saro sent on a suicide mission.]] Makes you wonder now, don't it?
* PeripheryDemographic: During the prime of the series, a significant percentage of its fans were high school and college age, where the intended demographic was much younger.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** See the Fleetscut section below to see how he saved himself.
** Horty zigzagged this trope constantly. Everytime he got out the heap, he threw himself back in with his whining. But by the end of ''Loamhedge'', he finally gets (and ''stays'') out of the heap when [[spoiler: he and Bragoon take on several of Kharanjul's horde [[BackToBackBadasses back to back]]]].
** Tubgutt. He constantly picked on Mara and Pikkle and even tried to rebel against Log-a-Log. However, after Mara saved him from The Deepcoiler, Tubgutt TookALevelInKindness and helped them on their quest.
** Viola, who started out being a whiny tattle-tale, but later TookALevelInBadass and willingly joined Martin and his crew to save Abbot Durral.
* TheScrappy:
** Mostly residing in ''Triss.'' It is far easier to say that the only characters who ''aren't'' Scrappies are Plugg Firetail, Drufo, Shogg, and all of the MauveShirt Freebooters like Grubbage and Slitfang.
** Veil Sixclaw was an in-universe example, [[{{Jerkass}} for very good reasons]]. Even after he [[spoiler: [[RedemptionEqualsDeath sacrificed himself to save Bryony]]]], many Redwallers still believed that wasn't enough to make up for all his heinous crimes (although many readers would disagree).
** Fleetscut was leaning towards becoming one with his constant whining about his hunger and being nothing but TheLoad to Jukka's tribe. He [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap saved himself]] when he gave a well-deserved TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Jukka, and from that point on he only got ''better''.
** Gruven. ''[[BigBadWannabe That]]'' ''[[SmugSnake is]]'' ''[[GeneralFailure all]]''.
** Gruntan Kurdly, who did nothing but laze around and devour hard-boiled eggs. Which is sad, considering he was the ruler of a tribe of Brownrats that wound up becoming [[BiggerBad more dangerous than Vizka Longtooth and his Sea Raiders]].
** Jeg. You know that annoying kid you've ran into that you just wanna spank really hard, but can't because he or she will go whining to his or her parents? Picture that same kid as a smelly rat who likes to whack animals with a stick, and you've got Jeg.
** Tugga Bruster, your everyday {{Jerkass}}. You ''know'' you're a Scrappy if [[spoiler: ''your own son'' doesn't miss you and wants to forget you ever existed after you die.]]
** Uggo Wiltud, although he was more of an in-universe example. At first he starts out as the protagonist in ''The Rogue Crew'' who starts to go through CharacterDevelopment. And then halfway through he becomes the {{Deuteragonist}}. And then he stops developing entirely and becomes TheLoad; at some point his sole purpose in the story was to annoy everyone he ran into except Posybud. Which, inevitably, annoyed some of the readers.
** Fenno. See MoralEventHorizon above. Even ''before'' he crossed it, he was portrayed as a bully and a DirtyCoward.
* {{Squick}}:
** Along with NightmareFuel and {{Gorn}}, some (if not many) of the novels have rather disgusting deaths. Vermin being boiled alive, a ferret being sliced in half, [[spoiler:a rat being crushed by a bell]], a rat being mutilated by a cart's wheel, a shrew getting bitten by an adder and the grotesque body later being discovered, a rat getting thrown against a tree...and this is all only from ''the first novel''.
** The last two novels have a substantial amount of decapitations...most notably when Braggio gets his head chopped off and has it stuck onto the ''Greenshroud'' foremast. Also, ''The Sable Quean'' has a mole warrior getting a spearhead impaled into his footpaw, and then later having him force it back out. Have fun reading.
** The emetic brewed up for Fleetscut in ''Lord Brocktree'', which contains several highly toxic ingredients. Needless to say, it did its job.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: Where to start...
** Earlier in the series, good guys had real names (Constance, Ambrose, Jess, etc...), and bad guys had, er, descriptive names (Redtooth, Darkclaw). Now, they tend to have nonsensical cartoony cutesypoo names like Dimp, Laggle, Flim, Dawble, Nobbo...
** Dibbuns in general. OK, Baby Rollo was funny. So were Bagg, Runn and Grubb. But as Jacques ran out of characters the dibbuns devolved into a sort of honey-sweetened sugarbowl hivemind. They've got them doing coordinated song and dance routines.
** DAB (Dibbuns Against Bedtime) was [[http://dibbuns.proboards.com a real internet fan club]] long before it showed up in the books, so don't blame [[AccidentalInnuendo BJ]] for that one.
** Let 'em sing and dance, as long as they drop that horrible "awight den, me go bang" style of talking. And being given the prize in nearly every competition that's held, whether or not they actually won.
** Poems and riddles got devolved into guess-the-letter games. "My fifth is in pop but not pip" indeed.
** Redwall Abbey itself. The first book hinted that it was a religious order but its use has slowly expanded until the point where every good guy either lives there or comes to live there, and just about everything is always perfect.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** [[spoiler:Sawney Rath. He was a GenreSavvy DiscOneFinalBoss who didn't seem like a DirtyCoward or even a SmugSnake. And he even showed that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he cared deeply for Tagg]] (up until he refused to kill Felch). He's killed off [[DroppedABridgeOnHim very abruptly]], and [[TheScrappy Gruven]] replaces him as the novel's BigBad ([[BigBadWannabe even though he was a terrible one]])]].
** [[spoiler:Antigra]]. She's the only [[TheStarscream Starscream]] (besides Greypatch) who succeeded in overthrowing the BigBad. And then she's PutOnABus. And then we find out that [[spoiler:she was killed when trying to overthrow Ruggan Bor]].
** [[spoiler:Veil Sixclaw]]. He had so many chances to redeem himself, but it wasn't until [[spoiler:he saved Bryony from getting killed by sacrificing himself]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath that he showed any signs of being good]]. [[spoiler:''Outcast of Redwall'' was supposed to be all about Veil either trying to redeem himself or joining his father's army, but in the end, none of the Redwallers cared that he saved Bryony; he was still branded as being a typical evil vermin, and ''his own father was the one who killed him''.]] Even fans who hate [[spoiler:Veil]] will agree that he should've gone through more CharacterDevelopment.
** ''Outcast of Redwall'' should've been called ''They Wasted a Perfectly Good Villain''. Balefur, Zigu, and the Wraith are just a few of ''several'' interesting, badass villains who were all unique in their own special way and could've easily become an EnsembleDarkhorse. Not a single one of them lasted more than two or three chapters, and the ones that did, like Aggal, had only a few lines and no CharacterDevelopment. The only exception was [[TheDragon Nightshade]].
** [[spoiler:Rinkul]] from ''The Long Patrol''. He was a DangerouslyGenreSavvy MauveShirt and the only Rapscallion smart enough to realize something was off about Midge Manycoats and Tammo. But everytime he tried to warn somebeast, the other Rapscallions would tell him to shut up, threaten to kill him, or they physically abused him. When the Rapscallions [[spoiler:finally find out that they're both hares and give chase, he's abruptly killed by Tammo when he throws a spear at him.]] Had [[spoiler:Rinkul]] lived until the end of the story, he and Tammo could've gotten into an epic one-on-one swordsfight.
** Many fans are still pissed over [[spoiler: [[TheWoobie Globby's]] tragic unnecessary death]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Romsca just briefly tells Abbot Durral that her tale of becoming a corsair was long and hard, and then immediately drops the subject. Fans never got to find out about her backstory, since [[spoiler:she was fatally wounded by Lask Frildur in the next scene she was in]].
** This was the reason why ''Outcast of Redwall'' and ''Taggerung'' got so much flak. Both novels introduced a new plot that involved making the main character different from the standard formula (Veil was intended to be an AntiHero, and Tagg an AntiVillain, or vice versa), but after much anticipation of reading something new and creative, Tagg, [[AlwaysLawfulGood an otter]], ends up being good, and Veil, [[AlwaysChaoticEvil a ferret]], ends up being bad, and no one cares about him even after [[spoiler:he sacrifices his life ''to save somebeast''.]]
** An in-universe example in the case of ''Taggerung''. The titular character removing his tattoos, assuming his original name, and settling down to a life of pure and wholesome goodness strikes the dibbun audience as incredibly unsatisfactory and boring.
* TooCoolToLive:
** [[spoiler: [[DyingMomentOfAwesome Finnbarr]] [[SacrificialLion Galedeep.]]]]
** [[spoiler: [[EnsembleDarkhorse Plugg Firetail]]]].
** [[spoiler: [[CrazyAwesome Major Cuthbert]]]].
** [[spoiler: Skarlath]].
** [[spoiler: Balefur]].
** [[spoiler: Romsca]].
** [[spoiler: [[MagnificentBastard Rasconza]]]].
** [[spoiler: Zigu]].
** Despite his nature as a PosthumousCharacter, [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking King]] [[DyingMomentOfAwesome Sarengo]] [[DeathByOriginStory of Riftgard.]]
* ToyShip: Canon example - WordOfGod is that Matthias and Cornflower were about thirteen during the ''Redwall'' time period, and they married at the end of the book. And had a kid by sixteen, probably a season earlier.
* TrappedByMountainLions: If a novel doesn't involve the BigBad trying to take over Redwall, but there is still a Redwall subplot involved, it probably falls under this trope. Some examples include...
** The Ironbeak subplot in ''Mattimeo'', which has nothing to do with Matthias' journey to rescue Mattimeo and slay Slagar.
** The Dryditch Fever subplot in ''Salamandastron''.
** The Slipp and Blaggut subplot in ''The Bellmaker''. But since this subplot involves Blaggut, the first vermin who isn't truly evil or a {{Jerkass}}, [[SubvertedTrope you'll probably find yourself drawn into it]].
** [[BaseBreaker Depending on how you feel about him]], Veil Sixclaw's ''entire'' subplot from ''Outcast of Redwall'' is this.
** Inverted in ''The Legend of Luke''. It is ''because'' of the WackyWaysideTribe subplots that the novel didn't become extremely short and/or boring.
* UglyCute: Many fans [[MisaimedFandom prefer the vermin characters]]. Somewhat inevitable when your ugly, wicked villain look [[http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/006/cache/red-fox_679_600x450.jpg like]] [[http://cute-n-tiny.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/cute-stoat4-400x300.jpg this.]]
* UnfortunateImplications:
** For starters, the use of AlwaysChaoticEvil and YouNoTakeCandle. Then there's a character who overcomes ''being confined to a wheelchair'' and blames it on her ''lack of willpower''. This was semi-justified by the fact that this was actually a serious psychosomatic illness (worsened by the fact that she was carried on her grandmother's back for an impossibly long time) where the root problem was eventually removed. It's still phrased in a somewhat unfortunate way...
** The treatment of many foxes as UsefulNotes/{{Roma|ni}}, and not one of them can be trusted.
** Evil creatures aren't worthy of redemption, [[PunchClockVillain even if they're just following their leader's orders]]. Those who try to redeem themselves [[RedemptionEqualsDeath will most likely die in the process]].
* WhatAnIdiot:
** Really, Malbun, you and Crikulus should've known better than to leave Redwall in the middle of the night without telling ''anybody'' and without taking any sort of weapon along with you.
** Going along with a very old and nearly blind red kite to try and kill ''three adders''?
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: A series about anthropomorphic mice, rats, etc., ''that are at war''. Not one that will be solved peacefully...
** The first book alone has [[NightmareFuel Ragear eaten alive by Asmodeus,]] [[spoiler:[[NightmareFuel Brother Methuselah smashed to death by Chickenhound (who later gets bitten in the face by Asmodeus), the Abbot getting pierced by Cluny's tail, and Killconey being sliced in half.]]]]
** Lord Stonepaw and Brocktree were doing [[GRatedDrug "drugs"]].
* WinBackTheCrowd: ''The Sable Quean'' certainly did this after the author published quite a few lackluster (or downright horrible) novels. ''The Sable Quean'' gave us interesting and {{Badass}} protagonists who developed over time, no useless subplots (except for maybe one that was resolved quickly), a new plot, smarter villains, and [[BloodKnight Zwilt the Shade]]. Needless to say, many Redwall fans were pleased with this book. Unfortunately, [[AuthorExistenceFailure just as the crowd came back]]...
* WriteWhoYouKnow: WordOfGod is that Jacques based Gonff the Mousethief on his younger self, and Constance the badger was based on his grandmother. If that's true, Jacques must have had an ''impressively'' {{Badass}} [[NeverMessWithGranny grandmother...]]