* AccidentalInnuendo: So, in ''Platinum'', you get a villa. You can buy furniture for it. When you mix records, sometimes your friends will find a TV program that is examining furniture you have. Sometimes they say that you have a "nice rack".
** REGIGIGAS can't get it going because of its Slow Start!
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is [[BigBad Cyrus]] evil and twisted beyond redemption or is he [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds a tortured soul who just needs serious therapy?]]
* BaseBreaker: Barry is either {{Adorkable}} and a worthy rival or incredibly annoying and not nearly as {{Badass}} as [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Blue]] and [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Silver]].
** Cyrus is either a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, an irredeemable monster, or perhaps even both.
** Garchomp. You either love it for being an Uber {{Badass}} dragon, or hate it for being one of the biggest [[GameBreaker Game Breakers]] in the franchise.
** Lucario is either [[CreatorsPet given too much attention]] or just out and out awesome. Or both.
** The evolutions of previous Gen Pokémon (especially [[NostalgiaFilter Gen 1 Pokémon]] like Rhydon) got heavy flak when first introduced, often called unnecessary and abominations of the older Mons. Over time, more people joined the side that recognized them as redemptions to Mons considered mediocre to forgettable beforehand.
* BreatherBoss: Candice, Volkner and Aaron.
** Though their BreatherBoss status varies slightly depending on which version you're playing. Aaron is slightly less so in Platinum, since he doesn't have [[ComMons Beautifly and Dustox]] anymore, though he's definitely still the easiest Elite 4 member. Candice and Volkner are slightly ''more'' so in Platinum, since their teams are actually all one element now.
** Byron is definitely this if you picked Chimchar. Considering you can get a free Flamethrower TM as soon as you can use Surf, and you'll almost definitely have an Infernape with Close Combat by the time you battle him, you can beat him in three turns without him even getting to attack.
*** Pretty much all of the starters have an easy time against Byron, considering how they're very unlikely not to be in their third form by then. Torterra gets earthquake upon evolving, and while Empoleon may have a hard time with the Magneton Byron has in Platinum, Surf (which you need to get to Canalave in the first place) can still KO his other Pokémon easily.
* BrokenBase: Gen IV is probably where [[CasualCompetitiveConflict competitive gaming]] really started to hit its stride, with the massive number of [=TMs=] and tutor moves, several items that would be impractical in casual play (ex. Choice Specs and Scarf), the Physical/Special split, and evolutions for many neglected Pokémon. The more casual players, however, weren't so pleased with the lack of innovation to regular gameplay, [[NostalgiaFilter the aforementioned evolutions to old Pokémon]] [[VindicatedByHistory (though they've been received much more positively as time passed)]], the large number of legendaries viewed as dulling the concept (though Sinnoh's theme was mythology), and (in ''Diamond and Pearl'' but not ''Platinum'') the poor frame rate slowing down the adventure.
* CasualCompetitiveConflict: See BrokenBase above.
** Best displayed in the [=NeverUsed=] tier. Last generation, it had a relatively small number of Pokémon, put there for [[JokeCharacter laughably bad stats]]. Here, however, many Pokémon once recognized as decent have been hit hard by a sudden PowerCreep and the abundance of [[ThatOneAttack Stealth Rock]].
* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The move Stealth Rock in the MetaGame. In competitive battling, it's almost required that you have both a Pokémon who can set up Stealth Rock and [[strike:a Pokémon who can counter it when your opponent inevitably does]] a team whose typing takes minimal damage from it, as it is far easier to get up and keep up than to remove.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: A variation from the fandom regarding Drifblim, with HilariousInHindsight thrown into the mix. Nicknaming either it or its prevo "{{Hindenburg}}" (''and'' having either one of them with the Explosion attack) was already a pretty common joke, but then they got an exclusive Dream World Ability, Flare Boost, that increases their Special Attack while [[StandardStatusEffects Burned]] -- ''and'' right in step with the games that debut the series's equivalent of America, too. OhTheHumanity...
* DisappointingLastLevel: After the interesting battles with Team Galactic, Cyrus and the version legendary, you go back to the same old Pokemon ExcusePlot of collecting badges (Well, one badge) and fighting the Elite Four. Along with ForcedLevelGrinding, probably the [[ThatOneLevel worst Victory Road in the series]] and the hardest Champion battle.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Cyrus. The fangirls have latched onto him and won't let go, both in and out of game.
** Game Freak themselves seemed to want the players to feel sorry for him by adding his grandfather to Platinum and telling us about his sad, oppressive past. Of course, not too much, since we still want to beat him and put a stop to his plans...
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Looker. Also Lucario, thanks to its appearance in the eighth movie and (later) ''SuperSmashBros Brawl''. The fact that it performs quite well in competitive battling also helps.
** Riley counts because he's a [[{{Bishounen}} pretty boy]] with [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]] and a [[BadassLongcoat trenchcoat.]] Just see how much fanart he gets compared to the other trainers you end up teaming up with.
** Cynthia is easily the most popular champion in the series.
** Garchomp, as mentioned under BaseBreaker above, except now it was given a new secondary ability that makes it not so much of a GameBreaker.
* EvilIsCool: Cyrus may have been beyond redemption, but some find him to be badass.
* EvilIsSexy: Pretty much all the Team Galactic members (with the exception of Charon) are really hot. Cyrus is an unusual case because he isn't ''especially'' good-looking, yet he still manages to be very attractive in other ways.
* FanPreferredCouple: ''[[{{Lolicon}} Cyrus/Dawn]]'' is almost omnipresent in the fandom and has a surprisingly large following.
** [[LesYay Cynthia/Dawn]] is also very popular.
* FreudWasRight: Palkia is often mocked for having a long, streamlined neck and head with perfectly round shoulders...
* FridgeBrilliance: Dawn and Lucas' Platinum art has them holding Repeat Balls, because they are repeating their adventure!
* GeniusBonus: Empoleon is the same height as Napoleon Bonaparte (Care to guess what Empoleon's name was based off of?).
** In Japan, Empoleon is known as "Emperte", so the theme is the same, except just using Bonaparte's ''last'' name instead.
* HateDumb: A good chunk of hatred for this generation goes towards the evolutions of older Pokémon. Some saw this as Game Freak running out of ideas, conveniently forgetting that Gen II did the same thing, and the Mega Evolutions of Gen VI provide evidence that this is merely a pattern for even-numbered generations. Others labeled them "unnecessary", which would be acceptable if given evidence that the older Pokémon was still useful (for example, Smogon's opinion of Dusknoir), but the majority merely refuse to admit that several Pokémon that they "grew up with" were quite mediocre, solely based on a NostalgiaFilter.
* HilariousInHindsight: [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Sinnoh_Folk_Tales Sinnoh Folk Tale 2]] in Canalava Library was a MindScrew at the time of DP's initial release, but it makes a lot more sense now if you consider [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite the Pokemon in question was probably a Zoroark.]]
** Gardenia has a known fear of Ghost-types, and at one point, even shows fear at the possibility of there ever being a Grass/Ghost type. [[VideoGame/PokemonXandY Well, here's hoping she doesn't want to visit Kalos anytime soon.]]
* HoYay: Volkner/Flint and Lucas/Barry.
* HypeBacklash: Electivire, in the metagame. So much.
* InternetBackdraft: The subject of Stealth Rock seems to be getting a bit of this. It doesn't help now that it's really easy to get in [=HeartGold=] and [=SoulSilver=].
* [[JustHereForGodzilla Just Here For The Legendaries]]: The Legendaries of this generation, particularly the Dragon Trio and [[EvilIsCool Dark]][[DarkIsNotEvil rai]], are well-loved by the fanbase. However, most of the new non-Legendary Pokemon suffered from over-complicated designs and poor stats, except for a few such as Lucario, Garchomp and the previous-gen evolutions.
** BaseBreaker: Some fans prefer the designs from Generation IV onwards and/or think they are as complicated as the designs from previous generations.
* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Dawn. Some of the characters she's been paired with include [[DistaffCounterpart Lucas]], [[VictoriousChildhoodFriend Barry]], [[LesYay Cynthia]], [[DatingCatwoman Cyrus]], [[{{Lolicon}} Riley]], and [[MrFanservice Volkner]]! And those are just some of the more common ones!
* LesYay:
** Candice and Maylene, especially in ''Platinum''.
** According to some people, Dawn/Cynthia.
** Mars/Jupiter has a hint of Hate Ship to it.
* MagnificentBastard: Cyrus; he's a charismatic leader, a master of exploiting emotions, and always one step ahead of you.
** Moreso in ''Platinum'' than in ''Diamond'' or ''Pearl'', where he makes the ''incredibly '' '''stupid''' mistake of letting you free the Lake Trio, who then proceed to destroy his plans as a result. In ''Platinum'', he's [[CrazyPrepared prepared for this]], making ''two'' Red Chains instead of one so that he can bind both Dialga ''and'' Palkia, whose combined power blocks out the Lake Trio when they try to save the day.
* MemeticMutation: DEEDLE DEEDLE DEEDLE DEE! '''''WHOOOOOP''''' [[note]]Kricketune's call[[/note]]
** In some areas of the internet, especially in Japan, many people have joked about Flint resemblance to [[McDonalds Ronald McDonald]].
* MemeticSexGod: Cynthia. Also, surprisingly enough, Cyrus!
** Lopunny. its a Playboy Bunny made Pokemon!
* MoralEventHorizon: Cyrus' entire plan and the measures he takes to accomplish it, all JerkassWoobie traits aside. Charon's plan for Heatran probably would've also qualified had it actually gotten off the ground.
* MostWonderfulSound: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dFn2r-iq_4 Kricketune's cry]].
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHe5wqLMMI Staraptor's cry.]]
* NeverLiveItDown: Despite Platinum fixing the frame rate, this generation is forever tainted by Diamond and Pearl being so slow.
* {{Nightmare Fuel}}: In ''Platinum'' when Giratina screeches and launches itself at the screen. Especially scary if you read a lot of Pokemon creepypasta, in which loud screeches and the screen being covered in darkness is a common theme.
** [[HellIsThatNoise Giratina's cry]] in general is pretty creepy.
** Cyrus, particularly his scheme to annihilate reality and reshape it as he sees fit - "a world without spirit", as he himself puts it.
* {{Padding}}: The initial pair (fixed in Platinum and HG/SS fixing it almost entirely) makes ''everything'' take forever to play out, even with animations turned off.
** This was likely because Game Freak had obviously had problems programming on the DS. For instance, the glitches in the 3D overworld and the drastically lower framerate despite being on ''far more powerful hardware'' than the previous titles!
* PlayerPunch: Idol Grace, one of the trainers who hangs out at the Pokemon centres, invites you to join her fan club if you win. Sounds innocuous enough, but after she is defeated, she laments that she is singing her heart out in Snowpoint City...to a crowd of none. This in a series where "I wanna be the very best Like no one ever was" is a de facto catchphrase.
* TheScrappy: Some fans just '''''hate''''' [[RealWomenNeverWearDresses Dawn's]] [[AgeInappropriateDress design]].
** Some find [[ComMons Bidoof]] quite goofy and [[GoddamnedBats annoyingly numerous]].
*** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Its evolution Bibarel can learn all [=TMs=] except Fly. Makes him the best HM slave in the whole game and one of the best in the series due to its sheer abundance (In RSE, the best HM slave is commonly believed to be Tropius, who is very rare.)
** Pachirisu is one early on, due to their unusually high defenses to go with their high speed. It doesn't help that it's just seen by many as a Pikachu {{expy}}.
** Probopass, whose design is either hilarious or hideous depending on who you ask (not that Nosespass looked that good either). Its high defenses don't mean much when the Steel type slapped onto it makes it quite susceptible to Ground and Fighting, the two most powerful offensive types in the game, so it's not even that good of a wall.
** Phione is not popular, due to being a weaker version of Manaphy with worse stats, a worse movepool, and the inability to evolve into Manaphy. Many consider it to be "useless", as it fulfills next to nothing, gameplay or story-wise.
** Ace Trainers. In these games, the National Dex requirements make their teams unpredictable without a guide since they will have powerful Pokémon in order to allow you to see every one in the Sinnoh Dex.
** Sailor Kelvin can be found in the Master Rank of a few Super Contests, and it is highly likely that he will sabotage your chances at winning during the Performance round with his Buizel named Zippy and its Water Sport. And your day will be ruined even more if he picks the same judge as you.
* TierInducedScrappy: Luxray has a very popular design, but unfortunately, its stats and movepool just don't work together at all. That hasn't stopped it being used by quite a few players, though.
** Most of the brand new Pokemon in this generation had good movepools, but mediocre to bad stats, with exceptions like the starters, [[GameBreaker Garchomp]], [[EnsembleDarkhorse Lucario]] and [[MagikarpPower Staraptor]] (among a few others) notwithstanding. It seems that [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver even-numbered]] Generations of Pokemon tend to have Pokemon with this problem, while [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue odd]]-[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire numbered]] [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Generations]] have Pokemon with strong stats but shallow movepools.
** Electivire might be one of the biggest example of this and HypeBacklash. Good Super Effective coverage, and pretty decent stats combined with its decent synergy with Gyarados. Sadly, the fact that its starting speed are pretty low for a sweeper of its kind(to clarify, Electivire is not a set up sweeper. A set up sweeper such as Gyarados and Lucario has a set up moves that gave them insane power and a way to bypass their low speed), and Motor Drive doesn't always guaranteed to activate, and the fact that its movepools doesn't include high powered STAB physical move means it wont do much damage without insane amount of efforts. Even during generation 5, Electivire is still a commonly bashed Pokemon.
* ScrappyMechanic: Stealth Rock. Holy shit. While entry hazards are essential to prevent the game from turning into a switchfest, there were two mistakes in Stealth Rock: making it a TM which everyone and their mother can learn (thankfully fixed in BW), and making it Rock-type. Rock type is pretty much the best offensive type in the game. Unlike Spikes or Toxic Spikes, nothing is immune to it, so the only way to get rid of it is the still rare, still weak, and still useless against Ghosts Rapid Spin. More than that, Flying types with their famous immunity to Spikes are weak to SR, meaning each time they enter the battlefield, they are hit for a quarter their health, along with anything Fire, Ice, or Bug. Any combination of two of those four types are hit for ''half''. It defined the metagame so much, Pokemon analyses often go "Yadda yadda, good stats, diverse movepool, lots of resistances, all-around a solid Pokemon - no, wait. It's weak to Stealth Rock. Nope, don't bother with this useless piece of shit."
** Infamously, Stealth Rock made the long time [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorite]] Charizard into a TierInducedScrappy. ''That's how broken it was''.
** ''Not'' helped ''at all'' by the fact that it became available at the Celadon Department Store in [=HGSS=], so it became ''extremely'' easy to dish it out onto all of those Pokémon that can learn it. That fix in Black and White wasn't necessarily limiting who could learn it, but rather ''removing it as a TM''. It was then re-added as a Move Tutor move in Black and White 2 for 10 Green Shards, which made it a little harder to get than in Gen IV, but it's still a pain.
** Not as much annoying but still annoying is the Pal Park limitation on migration - you can migrate only once per day. Of course, there are ways to effectively get around the limitation, but one should ask ''why'' they did implement that in first place. They learned from that mistake in [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver HGSS]], though.
** Defog is one of the franchise's most hated HM's. It's used to remove fog in the field, which lowers the accuracy of every move used in battle, in what was viewed as a totally unnecessary and frustrating weather effect designed to waste a valuable move space on your Flying-type (only Flying-types can learn it) for the sake of having an even eight HM's. It's not a move that most players would want on any of their Pokémon, whether they play competitvely or otherwise. So you can choose to ignore Defog and grind your teeth out trying to get through the area with limited visibility and lowered accuracy, or you can waste a move slot on your flyer or a party slot on an HM slave.
*** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: as of Gen VI, Defog has received a much needed buff: it now removes all entry hazards (including the infamous [[GameBreaker Stealth Rocks]]).
** While Gen III and future games simply require you to beat the Champion to get the National Dex, these games require you to have seen every Pokémon in the Regional Dex. Admittedly, it's not difficult if you haven't been avoiding trainers and catching Pokémon, but it still comes off as an unnecessary chore, especially considering that seeing Manaphy requires you to look in a book in the Pokémon Mansion that [[GuideDangIt the game doesn't tell you about]]. On the other hand, it did lead to a lot more trainer variety, especially with Cynthia having the most diverse team of any Champion in the series, so whether this subtle benefit offsets the potential tedium is debatable.
* SidetrackedByTheGoldenSaucer: As with every other pre-Gen V game in the series, there's a casino. And whenever that happens you end up spending hours on end trying to get the grand prize.
** The elusive Feebas, a major cause of people getting sidetracked, is in the basement of Mt. Coronet, which also happens to be where Cyrus plans to unleash Palkia and/or Dialga on Sinnoh. Don't worry, Team Galactic will wait until after you're done hunting down a rare fish before they try to destroy the world.
** The Underground is a minor version of this compared the casino. This place provides several useful items with some of them only being available from there. You tend to forget you were supposed to be level grinding for the badges when you were having a lucky streak of harvesting evolutionary stones, fossils if you're lucky, heart scales, and shards.
* SurpriseDifficulty: Because the original Sinnoh dex, well... sucked (see CharacterSelectForcing), a lot of the gym leaders don't actually use their preferred type for the majority of their team, making them harder to sweep with a single Pokémon that knows a Super Effective move.
** The most notable examples are Volkner and Flint. For each one, half of the Pokémon on their teams don't follow their preferred typing. The electric trainer Volkner has an Octillery and an Ambipom, while Flint's got a Steelix, Drifblim, and Lopunny. Some of these Pokémon are put there to combat the common killers of their favorite types (Octillery beats Ground Pokémon and Steelix beats Rock Pokémon).
** Another grueling example is Candice, an Ice-type leader who has a Psychic/Fighting-type Medicham on her team, somehow making the cut by knowing Ice Punch. A Psychic/Fighting-type is super-effective against all but one of Ice's common weaknesses (that being Fire), and can seriously trip up someone who thought that they'd sweep the Gym with a Fighting, Steel, or Rock-type.
*** At least you can find some FridgeBrilliance with that choice; her close friend, Maylene, is a Fighting-type gym leader, who has a Meditite in her gym battle and a Medicham in rematches. Volkner and Flint, on the other hand...?
** Note that once Platinum revised the Sinnoh Dex, however, Candice, Volkner, and Flint fall ''much'' less into this trope than they did in Diamond and Pearl.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: A few young child characters, such as the scientist's young daughter in Floaroma Town, or Tuber Chelsea on Route 213.
-->'''Chelsea:''' ''(after you defeat her)'' That cloud looks like giant ice cream! I bet it tastes yummy!
* TearJerker: Barry's HeroicBSOD after failing to save Uxie from being kidnapped. "I have to get tougher. It's not just about being the strongest trainer anymore..."
** Hearing Cyrus' past from his grandfather in Platinum. Especially considering [[NietzscheWannabe what]] it's shaped him into.
** [[HarsherInHindsight One in hindsight now.]] Remember Looker and his Croagunk? This game was both characters' debut. [[spoiler: For Croagunk, it will be his only appearance, as of PokemonXAndY, [[KilledOffForReal Croagunk was killed]] offscreen sometime between Generations 4 and 6.]] Even more so when you realize that [[spoiler: there's no mention of it in Black and White, so Croagunk probably died between Gens 4 and 5]].
** In the Lost Tower, you may encounter Roughneck Kirby. His only Pokemon is a Cleffa, a definite change from what Roughnecks are known to use (and an initial source of amusement). Then Kirby states before the battle that the rest of his Pokemon were killed by Team Galactic. That Cleffa he has? ''It's the only Pokemon he has left''.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In the European Platinum versions, you can't play the slot machines in the game corner, instead you can gather some coins from them once a day. This also means the only way to get the Explosion TM without trading or cheating is to hope the attendant randomly decides to give you one.
** Unfortunately they didn't learn and in VideoGame/{{Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver}} you have to play a flip card game which has too much {{Random Number God}} for people to actually get stuff quickly and you can't just buy coins anymore. At least its an actual game, right?
** [[MisBlamed And in their defense it wasn't even their fault.]] The European Union passed a law about minors and gambling that got it banned in video games. Ohio would do the same thing later that year. [[MoralGuardians The Game Corner pretty much was doomed the moment those laws passed.]]
* TheyJustDidntCare: Some of the contest types of moves introduced in this generation seem... odd choices, to say the least. Most glaring is Close Combat being classed as a Smart move, and Brave Bird being Cute. (Despite about 90% of Flying moves being Cool)
* StoicWoobie: Cyrus.
** JerkassWoobie: Volkner, though he's not much of a jerk, just tired of battling trainers that barely stand a chance.
* {{Woolseyism}}: Looker is named Handsome in the Japanese release. Not only is it another way of saying handsome (i.e., one way to say someone is pretty is to say they're "quite a looker"), but it also ties in with his profession (he's a cop, as in, he looks for clues).
* VindicatedByHistory: Lucario was largely ignored after its generational debut and was believed to be outdated. Recently, it has seen a resurgence in popularity in Gen VI after getting a [[SuperMode Mega Evolution]] and being announced for the fourth ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'', defying many people's expectations. In a 2014 [[http://www.dorkly.com/toplist/56974/the-greatest-pokemon-of-all-time-vote-now Dorkly popularity poll]], Lucario got 12th place despite it not being 2008 anymore, and having ranked much lower on a similar 2011 IGN poll.
** The previous-gen evolutions have seen much more positive reception since the beginning of Gen IV.