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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Are Reshiram and Zekrom [[YinYangClash two separate entities that have come to despise each other]] because [[ThisIsMySide they are polar opposites never to meet]], or do they [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether long to turn back into the original dragon they were before and be together]]? The latter seems a fairly popular interpretation on Pixiv.
** [[spoiler:Was Team Plasma sans Ghetsis truly a StupidGood group of {{well intentioned extremist}}s who thought they were doing the right thing à la N, or were some in on Ghetsis's true intentions and merely playing up the facade in order to gain brownie points from the guy when he finished his conquering? The Sages at the very least seem aware, since they slip up occasionally and refer to Ghetsis as their leader (followed by him correcting them that he's one of the Sages and supposedly no more powerful than the rest of them). However, some of the Sages also imply that they did at the very least support treating Pokemon with respect rather then as tools, with Bronius in his last conversation with you before being taken away by Looker even denouncing those who use Pokémon selfishly. Then there's the fact that the Shadow Triad is loyal to Ghetsis even after he reveals the truth... The two grunts who kick the Munna early on hint that they were aware that Ghetsis was lying, though some of the random grunts in their dialogue do also imply supporting N's ideals.]]
** N is often interpreted as a tragic, sympathetic [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's shipped with the player characters or a mouth-breathing StalkerWithACrush...who is [[MemeticMolester shipped]] with the player characters.
** Even gym leaders get this. Are Cilan, Chili, and Cress just innocent novice gym leaders or [[EpilepticTrees are they hiding something?]] Is Elesa really TheStoic or is she a poser due to being a Volkner fangirl? And while Skyla acts like a NiceGirl, the way she has you reach her in the gym implies she may actually be a BitchInSheepsClothing or at the very least [[ThePrankster a cruel prankster.]]
** Ghetsis may be a TakeThat towards the more competitive StopHavingFunGuys; he merely sees Pokémon as tools, and as for his poor treatment of N and other people in general, keep in mind that [[FridgeHorror there]] ''[[FridgeHorror are]]'' [[FridgeHorror some people who prioritize their own virtual pet monsters over their friends and family in a similar way]], though maybe not as much. At most, the sequel shows him as being the living, breathing antithesis to the games' message -- he's the guy who simply will ''not'' listen to or tolerate the ideas of others since he only thinks of himself, and he cannot be reasoned with, given his RedemptionRejection. Which could be {{Anvilicious}} or a case of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped about how there are some people who are just intolerant assholes.
** Victini's cry has lead many players (and YouTube commenters) to believe that he is laughing at them. For good reason, too; Victini is one of the hardest Fire-types to catch.
* AngelDevilShipping: N X Hilda, Ghetsis X Anyone (except someone like his own Hydreigon).
* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: Fennel was rather unpopular once the Dream World website launched in North America given how many a user saw her very image saying nicely that they needed to wait a little more until they could enter the site.
* AntiClimaxBoss:
** Morimoto's team has levels on par with the League Champion, but it consists mostly of the evolutions of early-game ComMons. It ''is'' possible to challenge him before your team is likely to be anywhere near as high-leveled as his own, but still ultimately for disappointing for what's the series' first CreatorCameo battle.
** [[spoiler:The final battle with N. His legendary dragon can be easily defeated by your own due to Artificial Stupidity (it loves to use its signature move, which you're resistant to and can power up your ''own'' dragon's signature move as well), and most of his other Pokémon can be one-shotted with the proper type matchups. [[SubvertedTrope Then]] you face the ''real'' Final Boss, who isn't nearly as much of a pushover...]]
** In the Pokemon League rematches, if you're strong enough to get through the Elite Four, the Champion battle is relatively pain-free by comparison.
* {{Anvilicious}}:
** The message about trying to get along with people whose opinion differs from your own is dropped with all of the subtlety of a sledgehammer. However, considering this day and age, where people constantly hold grudges against others solely based on differing in views (i.e. political parties, religion, even fandom views), [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped it may be a pretty solid]] {{Aesop}}.
** Some people really feel like since Karen didn't do a good enough job back in 2000, that N needed to be a lot more Anvilicious about the StopHavingFunGuys who only see Pokémon as tools.
* {{Applicability}}: The themes and dialogue of the games may show parallels to many real-life issues and debates, beyond (obviously) animal rights.
* AudienceAlienatingPremise: The decision to only have Unova Pokémon available during the main story was infamous at the time for offending [[NostalgiaFilter old-school Pokémon fans]] and turning the games and the Unova Pokémon in to a source of SnarkBait for said fans on various websites. Such a decision has also hurt these games' popularity in the long run among the core fanbase, which is one reason why ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' enjoy a better reputation with said fanbase. Many people who otherwise enjoyed ''Black'' and ''White'' admit that the Unova Dex was a poor decision in hindsight, and one that couldn't be sustained as new generations would be introduced.
* AuthorsSavingThrow: After four generations of people being really hesistant to use Technical Machines due to being expensive, tedious to grind for in the case of those available as prizes at game corners or battle facilities, or being one of the ''many'' that are only available once in a save file, Game Freak finally relented and gave them infinite use like Hidden Machines.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments: Has its own page [[Awesome/PokemonBlackAndWhite here]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
** Opelucid City and [[TearJerker Route 10]], for starters. The Team Plasma battle theme generally rocks, too.
** Cold Storage/Twist Mountain, the Surf theme, the Gym Leader theme (especially the ThemeMusicPowerup when they're down to their last Pokemon), and the Champion battle theme as well.
** And then there's N's theme...especially during the FinalBattle.
** ''[[{{Mondegreen}} DENNIS]]'' and the Village Bridge theme, the first songs in the entire series to have actual singing.
** Unlike in other entries in the series, the Elite Four battle music is quite different than the gym leader theme. It's actually dark and cerebral, which is a nice departure from most battle music, and fitting for the more intellectual Elite Four. Even better is the fact that it doesn't change inside the Pokémon Centre, meaning you can listen to it from beginning to end.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgYzRc4ZmBY&hd=1 The ending]] song also counts as this, giving an impression of a SequelHook, [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 which actually turned into a reality.]]
* AwesomeArt: The games' graphics are the culmination of the "2D era" of ''Pokémon'', and make good use of color, detail, camera angles and animations to make everything "pop". Many of the locations (such as Skyarrow Bridge) use a 3D view to increase the sense of grandeur, and battle animations are very fast-paced and feature lively animated sprites for Pokémon.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Oshawott's family. Some people love the otter unconditionally, while others think it has a stupid character design, with the evolution into into the quadrupedal, Sea Lion-esque Samurott being especially contested.
** Serperior, prior to ''Omega Ruby'' and ''Alpha Sapphire'', was popular for its design but infamous for being one of the weakest starters in the entire series, even for in-game purposes. At the time of release of ''Black'' and ''White'', this caused the Snivy line's popularity to drop drastically after a brief period of insane [[MemeticMutation memetic]] popularity.
** Emboar remains one of the most disliked starters in the series, even well into Gen VII, and is often used as a punchline for Fire-type starters from later generations evolving into Fire/Fighting types. Some people argue that Emboar's typing is so blatantly lazy that it ruined the reputations of the Unova starters, or even the Unova Pokédex, as a whole. ''Webcomic/AwkwardZombie'' [[http://awkwardzombie.com/index.php?page=0&comic=032111 had a field day with that.]] Despite this, Emboar has its defenders, especially after two generations of ''not'' reusing its Fire/Fighting typing. Some people like its rugged design, and thanks to its Hidden Ability, it's generally regarded as SoOkayItsAverage in competitive play and better than many other starters.
** Aside from the starters, you have Vanillite and Trubbish, who have been the start of many flame wars. These evolutionary lines are ''the'' most commonly criticized Pokémon of the fifth generation, and are the go-to examples for people who believe Game Freak is running out of ideas. But you will find just as many people defending them, either because they genuinely like these Pokémon's designs, or they just think the hatred is taken too far.
** Bianca is in a similar boat. Many people find her cute and her story of finally being able to go out on her journey by coming to terms with her father to be great characterization. Others think she's obnoxious, is present for far too much in the game, and should just go away and not bother you while you're trying to go about your own journey.
* BetterThanCanon: Because most of the Unova Pokémon are considered to be passe, some fans feel that {{Game Mod}}s that expand the games' Pokédex in a similar manner to ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'', most famously ''Pokémon Blaze Black'' and ''Pokémon Volt White'', help make the games more enjoyable and draw attention away from the "outdated" Pokédex to emphasize the games' strengths.
* BreatherBoss:
** Burgh is in between two gyms that are fairly difficult, but is easily taken care of.
** If you just bring a decent Electric-type to fight Skyla, you've won. Almost everything in the cave just prior to fighting her will sweep her whole team with no effort at all, with the possible exception being Boldore for being a slow Rock-type Pokémon with a Water weakness. Doesn't help that her main Pokémon is doubly weak to Electric.
** Brycen's gym is based around the Ice-type, the flat-out ''[[KryptoniteIsEverywhere worst]]'' defensive type in the series, bar none. If your Pokemon are near the 35 that the gym expects of you, a properly-equipped team will demolish it all, Victini or no. Besides, powerful Fire- and Fighting-types are pretty much ''everywhere'' in Unova. His signature Pokémon also has an extremely low base defense of 30 which puts it at risk of being knocked out even by Tackle. There is no way anyone programming this could have thought this guy would be a challenge.
** Iris or Drayden are really almost too easy for being the last Gym Leaders. Their premier Pokémon's main Attack also forces it to move last, which ignores its own Speed boost granted by Dragon Dance and exacerbates its unimpressive hit-taking ability.
* BrokenBase:
** There have been serious debates over the designs of the [=PCs=], whether the starters are awesome or not, and the animations of the sprites. Some people hate the idea of triple battles.
** Also, some don't like the fact that there are no Pokémon from the older generations in the Regional Dex, whereas some think that it is a refreshing idea. Not helping matters is the fact that many fans feel that the Gen V newcomers contain some of the best[[note]]almost all the Legendary Pokémon have been well-received, Serperior and Samurott are fairly popular as starters especially after Serperior's Hidden Ability was released in ''ORAS'', and many of the more powerful fully-evolved Pokémon such as Haxorus and Bisharp are praised for their designs, movepools and typings[[/note]] ''and'' worst[[note]]Emboar is the third Fire/Fighting starter in a row, the elemental monkeys are seen as a waste of Dex space, and the Trubbish, Klink and Vanillite lines have been infamously criticized[[/note]] concepts in the series.
** This extends to the postgame, where only a limited number of older Pokémon can be caught, and [[https://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/unobtainable.shtml a huge number of fan-favorites]] (including ''[[SeriesMascot Pikachu]]'') can't be found in the game. Does it matter in the first place, given that they only appear once the story is complete? Was it a consequence of trying to [[SequelDisplacement reinforce the newcomers as a new "baseline" for the franchise]], or does it just come across as neglectful towards the franchise's past?
** On the competitive side of things, there has been a backlash over the fact that when battling via Wi-Fi or console link, the opponent's entire team (and their nicknames) are all revealed, without an option to turn this feature off (in the manner of the Videogame/PokemonStadium series). Some see it as a welcome addition to competitive tactics, and others believe that it will ruin the metagame forever. Also serves as a premature nerf to Zoroark, due to its unique ability becoming less effective.
** Seasons. They're not real-time-based: Spring is in January, May, and September, summer is February, June, and October, fall is March, July, and November, and winter is in April, August, and December. You can go to places in some seasons that you can't reach in others. Some fans love the idea, but a lot of people aren't wild about seeing snow in August and the fact that you sometimes have to wait ''months'' to get certain places. Messing around with the internal clock helps speed this up, but it can still be annoying.
* CasualCompetitiveConflict: With Dream World Abilities and the like that were [[GuideDangIt impossible to find if you didn't know where to look]], casual fans have called foul against the C-Gear and the lack of natural-growing berries. Gen VI attempted to reduce this conflict by making the usual competitive tricks (IV breeding and EV training) much easier for players. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And by turning]] fan-favorite {{Mon}}s such as Charizard into top-tier threats through Mega Evolution.
* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Generation 5 is known, sometimes derisively, as the Weather Wars. Abilities that created weather conditions [[note]]Drought, Drizzle, Sand Stream, Snow Warning[[/note]] were all buffed to create weather conditions that would last the entirety of the battle unless another weather ability or move was used to counteract it. This led to meta game revolving around building teams to explicitly exploit this feature and otherwise low-tier pokemon like Ninetails, Abomasnow, and Politoed to suddenly become viable.
* ContestedSequel: The games have fallen into this over time, if not to the same polarizing extent as the 3DS entries. It all boils down to what one thinks about the relative importance and quality of the Pokédex, story, characters, region and mechanics; the most common debate is whether the "unfamiliar" feel of the game and its Pokémon undermine it despite the memorable characters, story and region. Notably, the games are among the ''least'' popular games in the series with more casual fans and gamers due to the AudienceAlienatingPremise of lacking older Pokémon, even if they aren't lambasted by that sector like they were when they first came out.
* CrossoverShip: There are a few Hilda fans on Website/DeviantArt who ship her with the Normal Card girl [[GirlyGirl Shizuku Osaka]] from ''VideoGame/LoveLiveSchoolIdolFestival''.
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* DemonicSpiders:
** The Patrat line. They learn Bide, Detect, Sand-Attack, Hypnosis, Confuse Ray, Super Fang, and Crunch - moves which either annoy your Pokémon or hurt a lot. And they're very common in the wild (especially Watchog). Worst of all, Team Plasma absolutely LOVE to use these things.
** The first Watchog you'll be seeing is Lenora's, and it makes her battle a [[ThatOneBoss living hell]] for many players.
** Swoobat is an example that's used by Trainers. If they're in the 25-35 range of levels, expect to fall victim to Attract, watch them boost their stats with Calm Mind, and proceed to flinch you time after time with Air Slash. Thankfully, it doesn't appear in the wild.
** If you don't have a way of one-shotting them, preferably by a fighting move, Audino can be really hard and annoying to kill midgame, especially with weaker Pokemon. Attract spam, very good defensive stats, Refresh, STAB Doubleslap, Secret Power(which, when used in tall grass, has a chance to put the target to sleep).
** Anything with Sturdy, since as of this generation you cannot faint them in one hit when they're at full health and most of them will one-shot your Pokémon back with Selfdestruct or [=STAB=]-fueled Stone Edge. It doesn't help that all of them have high attack stats and are ''everywhere'' in caves.
* DieForOurShip: Some N x Hilda shippers love to make Cheren and Hilbert {{Crazy Jealous Guy}}s who may even go as far as to hurt N or Hilda. N x Hilbert fans sometimes cast Hilda as a {{Jerkass}} or too masculine for N or Hilbert. Hilbert x Hilda fans occasionally write N as a perverted creeper, outright excluding his sympathetic qualities.
* DisappointingLastLevel: One of the games' noted weaknesses is the lack of post game content, combined with the ForcedLevelGrinding to stand up to ''wild Pokemon'' let alone the trainers and going for the title of Champion at the Pokemon League.
* DracoInLeatherPants: While N is certainly sympathetic and a well-written Anti-Villain who was a pawn of Ghetsis' plans, many fans treat him as if he's completely innocent, when he was blind to the reality of the world around him and endangered Unova by summoning his dragon.
* EarWorm:
** Dream World players who go daily online to do activities there will, I repeat, WILL remember the damned happy-go-lucky themes. They're screwed if they don't mute the music in time.
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsUn6sEGtA The rival battle theme.]]
* EightPointEight: A strange variation- many fans complained over Famitsu giving it a perfect score, claiming that they've gone soft over the years and just are biased to the franchise. These complaints cropped up before the games were released ''anywhere''. And then Gamespot gives it a 7.5 while most other publications give it 8.0 plus. Cue the angry mob.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[EnsembleDarkhorse/{{Pokemon}} Found here.]]
* EvilIsCool:
** Despite Ghetsis being an irredeemable wreck of a human being, he is also a major LoveToHate character. His badass Pokémon team and battle theme also help.
** This also applies to [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Hydreigon]] as a species.
** N ([[AntiVillain kinda]]). Zekrom, too, but in [[DarkIsNotEvil appearance only]]. For this reason, the EvilIsCool crowd tends to associate Zekrom with N and the more angelic Reshiram with Hilbert/Hilda.
* EvilIsSexy:
** Believe it or not, Ghetsis. Sure he's utterly twisted and evil- but still good-looking. If it wasn't for those ridiculous clothes, he'd be second to [[Anime/{{Monster}} Johan Liebert]] as the [[EvilIsSexy sexiest contender]] for "most evil person in history." He's already won awards for [[MrFanservice most handsome]] {{abusive|Parents}} father, beating [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Gendo Ikari.]]
** While Ghetsis' appearance does turn off some, [[spoiler: his adoptive son]] N is considered very attractive.
* FandomRivalry: Generation V has one in general with [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]]. This rivalry started back when ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' came out, mostly due to "genwunners"[[note]]fans who only like the first (sometimes second) generation of Pokémon and hate later generations on principle[[/note]] trashing the Generation V Pokémon and [[NostalgiaFilter comparing them unfavorably to their childhood favorites]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO5jJ7ICYtc to near-memetic levels]]. Later, ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' pacified the "genwunners" by [[PanderingTotheBase deliberately tapping into their Gen I nostalgia]]; however, this didn't stop Unova fans from still being bitter towards Gen I and its fanbase in general since most things associated with Gen V are getting shafted during the Gen VI era, which they began to express more vocally due to criticism over ''XY''[='s=] game design. The rivalry is so pronounced[[note]]more than for other generations, likely due to the direct feuding involved[[/note]] that some Gen V fans, known derisively as "Unovabortions", have essentially become [[NotSoDifferent the "hardcore" equivalent of the largely "casual" genwunners]]; fans of this type are accused of overglorifying Gen V and its story, characters and Pokémon designs, and of hating anything Kanto-related on principle and heavily deriding "nostalgia pandering" in later games[[note]]such as the 3DS entries and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo''[[/note]] as if it were a legitimate design flaw.
* {{Fanon}}:
** Many Japanese fan artists interpret Hilbert and Hilda as siblings, sometimes even twins. In-game the character you don't choose treats the one you do like a new friend, but that hasn't stopped fans.
** Many fans tend to [[CharacterExaggeration exaggerate just how evil]] Ghetsis can be; ''yes'', he's certifiably insane and did abuse and manipulate his adopted son for purely selfish reasons, but ''no'', he's never been seen feeding anyone to his Hydreigon with sadistic glee or the like. In a semi-case of AscendedFanon, the ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' version of him does come close to the fanon one in some regards.
** Speaking of Hydreigon, it's popular to depict it as TheRival to Tyranitar due to it being a fellow Dark-type pseudo-legendary with a slight resemblance to King Ghidorah, since Tyranitar is a Franchise/{{Godzilla}} homage.
* FanPreferredCouple:
** The main character (both the [[FoeYay girl]] and the [[HoYay boy]]) x [[{{Bishonen}} N]] is quite popular, as is shipping the player characters together, especially compared to past main character couples. This may be due to the characters being older this time around, as well as both playable characters being pretty warmly received by the fandom for the first time in a while.
** [[DatingCatwoman Hilda and N]] is especially popular. She's a strong, mature {{Tomboy}} according to {{Fanon}}, he's a kindhearted, honorable man [[TheWoobie who's been through unimaginable hell]]... Honestly, you could make an over/under bet based on how many {{Shipping}} {{F|anfic}}ics based around the "forbidden love" in a month appear on Fanfiction.net based on that description alone.
*** [[spoiler:The scene where N takes Hilda (when she's the protagonist) [[FerrisWheelDateMoment on the ferris wheel]] has become the new [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver "Silver rips off Lyra's Team Rocket disguise."]]]]
** Elesa/Skyla [[CrackPairing came out of nowhere]] to completely ''explode'' with fanart.
*** [[spoiler:This is acknowleged in the sequel with a memory link scene.]]
** [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Cheren/Bianca]] is a common BetaCouple to Hilbert/Hilda, N/Hilda, and [[HoYay N/Hilbert]] in {{Fanon}}.
** Lenora/Burgh is starting to gain its place in fan art.
*** And then there are fans who see them as a One True Friendship, since a lot of fans view Burgh as being AmbiguouslyGay, and Lenora's HappilyMarried. [[note]] Then again, since when have those stopped shippers?[[/note]]
** A variation: Subway Masters Ingo and Emmet are often paired with Litwick/Chandelure and Joltik/Galvantula, respectively, in fanart.
*** Also: [[HoYay each other]]!
** Fairly minor, but among the starter Pokémon, the pairing between the Oshawott and Snivy lines seems to be popular.
* FashionVictimVillain: Ghetsis. A collar made to look like the top of a castle tower? Seriously?
** His robes were probably meant to keep with the yin-yang theme of the game, but he ends up looking like [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker Wind Waker's Ganondorf]] walked through a paintball fight. The chunky red monocle, triangular hair fringes, and his hilariously skinny ankles on display just put the last nails in the design coffin. If not for his big-time KnightOfCerebus nature, nobody would've taken him seriously. The [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 sequels]] fixed this.
* FoeYay: [[spoiler:When Hilda is the main character, she goes on the Nimbasa City [[FerrisWheelDateMoment ferris wheel]] with N. Then there's his speech about Hilda continuing his dreams at the end.]]
* GeniusBonus:
** When you consider his obsession with formulas and equations, N is likely named for the fact that ''n'' is a commonly-used variable in mathematics.
*** [[FridgeHorror It also tells you]] [[spoiler:what [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness his ultimate fate would have been.]]]]
** Scolipede and its Japanese name Pendoraa are derived from ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scolopendra Scolopendra]]'', the scientific genus for giant tropical centipedes.
** Gigalith is known as the "Compressed" Pokemon. If you know your geology, you'll know that it is based off Metamorphic rock, rocks that have been compressed under extreme heat and pressure and are usually found along with crystals (explaining the crystals on it).
** Unova is based on New York City. What is the cookie most associated with the metropolitan area? The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_white_cookie black and white cookie]].
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: While Zekrom's quite popular in Japan (but less so than Reshiram), it's easily the most popular of all Generation V Pokémon in the West thanks to its [[RatedMForManly manlier]] and more conventionally dragonlike design, with a fanbase that rivaled that of [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke Mewtwo]] and [[BreakoutCharacter Charizard]] at the time. It's also responsible for ''White'' selling more English copies than ''Black''. That's not to say Reshiram is ''unpopular'' per say, but there's definitely a larger fanbase for Zekrom.
* GoodBadBugs:
** If a Pokémon reaches 1809 or more Speed using {{Status Buff}}s, they will ignore Trick Room.
** The [[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sky_Drop_glitch Sky Drop glitch]] lets you completely immobilize a Pokémon for an entire match during a Double or Triple Battle by abusing an exploit with the move Gravity. This actually got the move banned from random Wi-Fi and official tournaments.
** The move Assist is able to call upon moves known by unhatched eggs.
** Kadabra will still evolve into Alakazam if it is traded holding an Everstone, which normally prevents evolution.
** At the very beginning of the game, Professor Juniper uses Minccino as an example of what Pokemon are supposed to be. On very rare instances, it is possible for that Minccino to appear as a [[PaletteSwap shiny]].
* GoddamnedBats: Bide, Hypnosis, Confuse Ray, Super Fang, Mean Look... Patrat and Watchog could single-handedly kill a Nuzlocke run.
** The Durant that appear so frequently on Victory Road, either. If you don't have a Fire-type to exploit their one weakness, their high attack/defense powers ''and'' speed will cause you some serious trouble.
*** Not just fire type, any special attack can simply defeat Durant.
** Tympole, at the entrance to Pinwheel Forest. They can be a real pain to fight, what with their high speed, ability to hit hard with Bubblebeam, and [[StandardStatusEffects Supersonic]].
** Boldore and Roggenrola. They appear as frequently as the Gravelers and Geodudes you're used to seeing in every single cave, but they're even worse because of the new mechanics for the Sturdy ability, which prevent you from killing them in one hit. Effectively, every Boldore and Roggenrola you meet is holding a Focus Sash, forcing you to waste more time and PP dealing a second hit, and giving them a turn to fight back and hurt you.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** In ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', a female trainer in Rock Tunnel wished she could have a pink Pokémon with a floral pattern. Now, in Gen V, she's finally gotten her wish in the form of Munna! With the number of abandoned and eventually reused Pokémon designs, it could have been an injoke.
** A scientist in Devon Corp. back in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Ruby and Sapphire]]'' stated "I'm trying to develop a device that visually reproduces the dreams of POKÉMON... but it's not going well." Munna's evolution, Musharna, can release "Dream Smoke", a materialization of the dreams it has eaten. With it, Fennel created a device that lets you "sync" your Pokémon with the official website and do minigames and such with it, and catch special Pokémon.
*** Speaking of 'syncing' with the internet, [[Anime/SummerWars this isn't the first time where somebody used their Nintendo DS to connect to an internet service.]]
** The ending [[spoiler:a villain is the final boss instead of a proper champion]]. VideoGame/{{Robopon}} did that years earlier, in the first game in its series.
** In ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', the Pokémon trainer's final smash was Triple Finish. The generation after ''Brawl'' introduced Triple Battles. Combination attacks were added, too, but only between two Pokémon at a time, and the results are supporting field effects rather than flashy {{Limit Break}}s.
** People often claimed that Team Plasma is the Pokemon PETA. [[http://features.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody/ A while later...]]
** Shoko Nakagawa, an actress who has played many side roles in the movies and is one of the hosts of ''Pokémon Sunday''/''Get TV'', is also the artist behind ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann''[='s=] opening theme. Come three years after TTGL ended and a while before Reshiram and Zekrom's typings were officially revealed, she accidentally blurted out her desire to catch Zekrom because she loves Electric-types. Keep in mind that Zekrom's tail engine ''highly resembles a drill''.
** The pre-release names for the Machop line are Kara-tee, Kung-foo and Ju-doh, even though they are based on bodybuilding wrestlers. These games introduced Sawk, the Mienfoo line and Throh, Fighting-types based on karate, kung fu and judo respectively.
** Reshiram is a feminine blue-eyed dragon with [[MysticalWhiteHair white feathers and plumes]], breathes fire, has a heavy resistance to fire itself and is immune to burns, and is heavily associated with a dragon-themed sacred place. It's as if [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire Daenerys]] [[Series/GameOfThrones Targaryen]] was reincarnated as her own spirit animal. Even better in that ''Series/GameOfThrones'' debuted the same year ''Pokémon Black'' and ''White'' were released internationally, and the Targaryen house sigil is a three-headed dragon just like Hydreigon.
* HoYay: Both the male and female player characters get one GayOption for the Ferris Wheel Feeling Check. [[ButchLesbian Hilda]] gets a [[LipstickLesbian Waitress]]. [[StraightGay Hilbert]] gets a [[BaraGenre Hiker]].
** N also takes the character on the Ferris wheel... Even when you're Hilbert.
** Fennel and Juniper don't even share a lab while at work (Fennel's work is primarily done in Striaton City), but this hardly stops the fans from interpreting the two this way. To be fair, though, when Fennel was first revealed, all that was known was that she was "Professor Juniper's Assistant," and once that allowed for certain implications, the idea of Juniper/Fennel took off.
*** Apparently, they were roommates in college. Considering that ship bait [[ShippingGoggles or merely making everything out to be a hint at romance]].
** Lots of fans likes to pair Elesa with Skyla in a rather suggestive manner, despite the two girls not even sharing a word with each other in the game (except for the fanservice part.)
** There's also Cynthia hanging out with ''every'' important female Pokemon League official at her villa, and Iris being Bianca's "bodyguard".
*** In turn, Bianca being Professor Juniper's "bodyguard".
** One of the ''female'' swimmers in Undella Bay asks if you've come to see Cynthia wearing a bathing suit. Yes, if you're playing as Hilda.
** After beating Cynthia, she'll talk for several text boxes, finishing by saying that travelling has improved her life because, "[she] met you and [her] world became wider."
** In the battle subway, one trainer you can fight (Lady Won), says you look gorgeous at the beginning of the battle. If you defeat her, she says that she "feels drawn to you". The same interactions happen if you play as Hilda.
* HypeBacklash:
** Even before the game was released in English, some fans were already complaining about the hype. The perfect 40 score in Famitsu didn't help matters.
** The games have a very vocal fanbase (possibly second only to [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]] in that respect, regardless of its size) and are endlessly praised and bashed in some circles such as [[Website/FourChan /vp/]]. This can be irritating or confusing to those on the other side of the BrokenBase, or those who try/revisit the games due to the praise and end up being alienated or underwhelmed.
* InternetBackdraft: Long before the game was released, debate raged over whether Unova was based on Manhattan, Shanghai, Hong Kong, perhaps Aomori, or somewhere else. Also, discussion on the starters' final evolutions.
** Some blogs continued to point out that it might have been China, such as saying that Braviary was probably based off of Chinese kites and that Iris was supposed to be an AnimeChineseGirl. When this was Jossed, it was removed - said blog(s) had a policy of "Don't go with popular theories until WordOfGod confirms them".
* IncestYayShipping: Oddly enough, shipping the Striaton brothers seems to be rather popular. There's no real IncestSubtext in the games between them, but since when has that ever stopped shippers?
** The [[{{Twincest}} Subway Bosses]] are commonly paired together as well.
** [[BigBad Ghetsis]] and [[{{Bishonen}} N]]. It's a lot more common than you think. It also depends on whether you believe they're [[YoureNotMyFather related or not]].
* ItsHardSoItSucks: Some difficulty factors can make the main game unbearably difficult. Particularly, the rigged experience point scaling makes matching levels with the gym leaders unfeasible in some circumstances. [[note]]Note that Audino doesn't appear before obtaining the first badge (where Gen V's level scaling is at its worst), finding Audino is not always reliable for everyone, and said Audino can become a DemonicSpider. Also note that the later the generation of the main games, the more likely wild Pokemon will be DemonicSpiders in general due to newly introduced moves and abilities.[[/note]] This would not be bad, but add two things, and it becomes complicated: a) There are only 130-40 Pokemon available before the Elite Four in this particular series, and that they tend to have shallow movepools; and b) Said selections of Pokémon in this generation tend to be either really frail, or really slow. For people who returned to Pokémon via XY, and started playing BW out of curiosity, an additional complication was the announcement of the DS Wi-Fi shutdown in March 2014, forcing some people to finish the game/Pokedex within 2-3 months before the shutdown '''in May in the same year''', further adding the stress.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The Fire-type starter's evolutions were revealed to be Fire/Fighting types. Just like the last [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire two]] [[VideoGames/PokemonDiamondAndPearl generations]]. Some fans got ''[[InternetBackdraft pissed]]'', due to perceived {{laz|yArtist}}iness on the part of Game Freak. There are plenty of people complaining about the other starters being respectively pure Grass- and Water-type as well, but it's generally not seen as bad as giving the Fire starter the same secondary type ''three times in a row''.
** Klink's evolution line can also apply to this, due to each evolution stage essentially consists of adding an extra gear part onto Klink.
* ItWasHisSled: N is a Team Plasma member and [[spoiler:Ghetsis' son]]. And Ghetsis is Team Plasma's true leader and [[spoiler: doesn't truly care about liberating Pokemon from humans - he just wants to disarm all trainers in Unova so that only he and Team Plasma can use Pokemon.]]
* JerkassWoobie: Gothorita and Gothitelle. According to the Pokedex entries they kidnap children, [[IJustWantToHaveFriends but only out of loneliness]], and when it finally gets a friend, a trainer, it can predict his/her death and [[TearJerker cries out of sadness.]]
* JustHereForGodzilla:
** Some fans couldn't care less about the improved plotline. Some even hate its existence and [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks the fact that it plays with Pokémon's usual formula a bit]], as well as [[DevelopingDoomedCharacters the fact that they have to get through it to get to postgame goodies like older Pokémon]].
** In an inversion of the usual case for ''Pokémon'', some people praise and enjoy the game for elements ''other'' than the then-new Pokémon themselves, most notably the characters and story. [[TheWoobie N]] and [[LoveToHate Ghetsis]] continue to be among the most popular characters in the series, and the latter's return in ''VideoGame/PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon'' was widely praised among the returning bosses for Team Rainbow Rocket.
** Reshiram and Zekrom themselves were a selling point for the games, for a similar reason to why Charizard became a BreakoutCharacter in the greater franchise - they're [[InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons awesomely powerful dragons]] with cool, contrasting designs and motifs.
* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Surprisingly, it's more so the ''male'' protagonist being shipped with a lot of Pokémon characters, mostly being ship off with [[FoeYay N]], [[DistaffCounterpart Hilda]], [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Bianca]], [[HoYay Cheren]], [[ChristmasCake Professor Juniper]], [[{{Stripperific}} Skyla]], [[DefrostingIceQueen Caitlin]] ... [[InterSpeciesRomance Also Snivy]] and [[OurHomunculiAreDifferent Reuniclus (NO, SERIOUSLY!)]].
** N's been shipped off- at least on Pixiv- with everyone and their mother. The female protagonist has more recently started to get her share, too, mostly being paired off with [[{{Bishonen}} N]], [[DistaffCounterpart Hilbert]], [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Cheren]], [[HoYay Bianca]], [[DualBoss the Subway Masters (especially Ingo)]], [[PowerTrio the Striaton triplets]], [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman Sawk (seriously)]], and [[CastingAShadow Grimsley]], among many others.
* LoveToHate: Ghetsis, big-time. So much so that, back when the games came out in Japan, tropers on this very wiki were quick to label him as a CompleteMonster, and much of the backlash over CompleteMonster getting a stricter definition is that he ceased to qualify despite remaining the closest the main series has come to the trope.[[note]]The current definition for MoralEventHorizon is pretty close to what used to be classified as a Complete Monster - and Ghetsis ''definitely'' qualifies for that trope.[[/note]] This helped drive much of the hype for his character due to the trope's implications in contrast to [[VileVillainSaccharineShow the family-friendly nature of the Pokémon franchise itself]], with various websites and blogs picking up on his (former) status as one. If anything, he is most certainly a KnightOfCerebus. A clear example is the final battle with him, where he says he intends to ''eliminate'' the player character in order to keep their victory over N from ever getting out - not knock out or stop from interfering with his plan, [[WouldHurtAChild just outright kill them.]]
* MagnificentBastard: Ghetsis Harmonia. As bad as he is, he still has fans (though not in [[DracoInLeatherPants that way]]) for [[spoiler:his {{Chessmaster}} nature.]]
** One could argue, though, that he's much more a SmugSnake than he is a MagnificentBastard given the way he [[VillainousBreakdown throws a rage-filled tantrum]] when things do not go his way, despite how clever the plan may have been, although to be fair he is far from the only ''Pokemon'' villain to do this and it's not quite as pronounced as it is in the sequels.
* MemeticBadass: Hilda and Snivy/"Smugleaf".
** Hilbert had some elements.
** Oshawott's evolutions, especially Samurott, are this.
** Genesect. Thanks to its possible name origin (''genocide'' + ''insect''), as well as its classification as the Paleozoic Pokémon, it's been theorized that it caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. And it snowballed from there.
** Braviary, A TRUE AMERICAN EAGLE.
** '''Zekrom'''. Fans often consider it to be the singular most badass entity in all of Unova.
** Terrakion also gets this treatment, for its design, its stats and its [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] tendencies in both the games and TCG. Website/{{Smogon}} even labeled it the manliest Pokémon in ''Black'' and ''White''.
** Victini. If you have him in your team, you automatically win every battle (supposedly).
* MemeticMutation: Tons of it. Zoroark, the female Player Character, the starters, and Castelia City all became memes within ''days''.
** ''Black Version'' is longer.
** Reshiram's "crotch plumage" and Zekrom's "turbine tail" are headed this way as well.
** When Victini was revealed to be #000 in the Unova Pokédex, Missingno. jokes popped up quite quickly.
** [[UrbanLegendOfZelda Serebii confirmed!]]
*** [[{{Catchphrase}} Until Next Time, See Ya]]
** N died for your sins!
** [[WordOfGod Masuda stated]]
** Bouffalant, or "[[FunnyAfro afro]] bull", is on its way to memetic status.
** [[OminousLatinChanting DEEEEEENIS]]
*** [[ComicStrip/DennisTheMenaceUS Hi, Mr. Wilson!]]
*** [[WebAnimation/HomestarRunner Obvious exits are: North, South, and...*see above*]]
** [[LargeHam "PLASMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"]]
*** "Plas-bad!"
** Among the many fake Pokemon released by fans during this generation, one has persisted as a meme. [[http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/vpokemon/images/b/bb/2814i29.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120307001029 Sad Fish]], as it's called, became a sensation for its depressing looks.
* MemeticMolester: N.
** [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] will probably end up like this. [[AbusiveParents It's]] understandable.
* MemeticPsychopath: Ghetsis often gets this treatment from the fandom due to his KnightOfCerebus nature. It's common to depict him in fanfictions as outright ''murderous'' - which is somewhat in-character, but has never been depicted on-screen unless you count his vow to "eliminate" Hilbert/Hilda to keep their defeat of N a secret, or [[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 his fairly ambiguous freezing alive-or-to death of Nate/Rosa]].
** In Gen V, anyway. [[spoiler: In ''VideoGame/PokemonUltraSunAndUltraMoon'', he holds Lillie as a hostage after being defeated and very unambiguously threatens to kill her with his bare hands if the player character doesn't surrender all their Pokémon. The full 3D facial expressions just make his "psychopath" reputation even more well-deserved.]]
* MisaimedFandom: Guess [[AnimalWrongsGroup who]] was popular with PETA? Clearly the fact that Team Plasma's [[spoiler:real]] leader [[spoiler:had no ''real'' intention of freeing/liberating Pokémon and was using that as a front for his own selfish ends]] flew way over their heads.
* {{Misblamed}}:
** No, sorry, Ken Sugimori ''didn't'' design every single Pokémon - Some, like Vanilluxe's line, Golurk's line, and the pre-evolution of Mandibuzz (the vulture type) were actually designed by [=NoA=] employee James Turner.
** The traditional "This series sucks, why do people still like this?" threads are up. Pokémon has been around since the 1990s - we knew what happened in the games since before they were released outside of Japan thanks to the internet. And yet people ''still'' are pointing fingers at ''Nintendo'', one of the ''publishers'', for stuff that is ''clearly'' out of their hands. Poor Game Freak - they saved the Game Boy and ''still'' have received no credit outside of Japan.
* {{Moe}}:
** Bianca can be viewed as this.
** Hilda also comes off as this to some whenever she's not TheLadette. [[TakeAThirdOption Or both]]. It helps that she looks like Nowi from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', herself a very {{moe}} character.
** Fennel comes off this way.
** N has been described as this a couple times.
** The female Ace Trainer, due to her [[MegaTwintails hairstyle]].
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Ghetsis' [[BitchInSheepsClothing phony claims]] and [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish desires]] are bad enough, but then there's his [[AbusiveParents treatment of N]]...]]
** Technically, all of his actions in the game are [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]]. Considering [[spoiler:the only reason ''N exists in the first place'' was to [[ItsAllAboutMe achieve his selfish desires]], he's crossed the MoralEventHorizon ''long ago before the game even started.'']]
*** Long before Red and Blue even started, considering N's age (he looks to be at the very least 15), and the amount of time between those games and Black and White is a mere 7 or 8 years. And who knows how long Team Plasma was alive before N was crowned.
*** There's actually more to it than just that. Read the spoilers if you're prepared for the horror - [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? ''He felt entitled to it.'' Such a depraved goal with equally depraved methods of reaching it gives Ghetsis a claim to living far over the line on the MoralEventHorizon.]]
* {{Narm}}:
** The battle theme used for BOTH Bianca and Cheren sounds WAAAAY too peppy and joyful to even remotely suit Cheren. ''Black 2 and White 2'' didn't bother to fix this either.
** N's full name.
** [[FashionVictimVillain Ghetsis's costume.]]
** Anytime the Plasma grunts try to be intimidating they shout their team's name ([[LargeHam PLASMAAAAAAAAAAAA!]]) but the way it played out make them look as goofy as the ''Galactic'' grunts instead.
* NeverLiveItDown:
** These games and their sequels are infamous for introducing the garbage, gear and ice cream Pokemon, despite other generations are also guilty of this and this generation also have their own share of cool designs. Some detractors even insist that the entire Unova dex is consisted by only them.
** Emboar's status as the third Fire/Fighting starter in a row. To a lesser extent, all three starters collectively forming the least powerful set of starters across all five (now six) generations, even beating Johto's. In Website/{{Smogon}}'s metagame, ''all three of them'' were in the NU tier to begin with, with Emboar only rising to a higher tier due to a player abusing a loophole in their tiering system, and Serperior only rose to OU with its Hidden Ability ''five years'' after its debut and well after ''BW'' hype died down.
** This generation made [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]] more infamous for being the franchise's main SpotlightStealingSquad. While Pikachu and its evolutionary line are unobtainable in ''Black'' and ''White'', the ''Pokémon'' franchise outside the games continued to market it heavily. This was especially jarring for some due to the fact that it was the ''only'' old Pokémon in said marketing[[note]]aside from Meowth in the anime[[/note]], yet was often the most prominent, making its appearances seem [[WolverinePublicity forced]].
* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/PokemonBlackAndWhite Has its own page]]. A lot of it tends to overlap with FridgeHorror too, particularly owing to [[spoiler:Ghetsis]].
* NightmareRetardant:
** [[{{Mondegreen}} Mishearing]] the [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Chanting]] in [[spoiler: Ghetsis's]] battle theme turns perhaps the Biggest Bad in the series to date into "DEEEEEENNIS".
* NoYay: Ghetsis and most of the other characters. Except perhaps his own Hydreigon. (Yes, [[BrainBleach it exists]])...
* OlderThanTheyThink: It's often said that these were the first games to include Team Preview for competitive play. Team Preview has in fact been around in every console battler since the original ''VideoGame/PokemonStadium'', and was used for nearly every official tournament since then.
* ParanoiaFuel: [[spoiler:The main plot]] becomes this when you consider how it would look from N's perspective.
** N informing you that [[spoiler: the Shadow Triad has been spying on you and your friends]] when you meet him in Chargestone Cave can be pretty paranoia-inducing as well.
* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: The plot is more prominent in these games than in others, but that doesn't stop some fans from viewing it as such and only getting in the way of the gameplay.
* PopularityPolynomial: When ''Black'' and ''White'' were first released, they were extremely popular and beloved by the fandom, but also infamously drew vocal hate from "[[FirstInstallmentWins genwunners]]" for being such a departure for the series, particularly with the Unova Dex. Game Freak [[AuthorsSavingThrow attempted to rectify this]] with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and its heavy emphasis on Gen I nostalgia, and ''Black'' and ''White'' quickly fell out of favor come the next generation. However, as the "honeymoon period" ended and more 3DS entries were released that retained some major flaws of ''X'' and ''Y'',[[note]]namely lackluster difficulty and increasingly shallow postgames[[/note]] some people began to come around to ''Black'' and ''White'' again, if not universally so.[[note]]The games are still contested for various reasons; for example, the Unova Dex is still regarded by some as an AudienceAlienatingPremise, and one that possibly undermines the whole game.[[/note]] Many fans are thankful that the games have some of the best plots and characterisations of the series, and the great amount of postgame content for a generation's maiden pair of games.
* ReplacementScrappy:
** Many people saw Iris as this, seeing as she would star in the anime instead of the playable female from the games. RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap might take effect, however, as she has been [[spoiler:confirmed to be the White version's final Gym Leader, training Dragon-Types]]. And again, as the ''Black and White'' season of the anime began to [[DorkAge draw tons of fan criticism]], thus making many fans indifferent to whether Hilda would have appeared or not (some were even glad that she didn't appear).
** Many new Pokemon felt this way. Those who weren't killed by overdoses of [[GoddamnBats Zubats, Geodudes, Machops, and Tentacool]] before (or just liked them for their venerability in the franchise) were frustrated when Woobats, Roggenrola, Timburr, and Frillish took over. It doesn't help that they [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute feel like updated releases]] of the old families replaced.
** Emboar is often considered a lackluster replacement for the Fire-type starters that came before it (Charizard, Typhlosion, Blaziken and Infernape), mostly due to its uninspired Fire/Fighting typing, poor competitive worth and overly brutish design. The next Fire-type starters, Delphox and Incineroar, were also divisive but went over much better for having sleeker designs and ''not'' being Fire/Fighting (although Incineroar got some flak for having the look and feel of a Fire/Fighting type, particularly Emboar itself).
** This is part of the backlash against Zorua and Zoroark; they were promoted in such a way that they were obviously meant to emulate the success of Lucario, but their event-exclusivity and [[QuirkyBard gimmicky ability]] were taken as JumpTheShark moments for how Game Freak and Nintendo promoted the new "badass" face of Pokemon. This has since been scaled back, as Game Freak seems to have realized that Lucario is a ToughActToFollow and stopped promoting Zoroark in the same way.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** The ability Sturdy was changed from "immune to Fissure, Sheer Cold, etc." (mostly useless) to "can't be KO'd at 100% health"/"built-in Focus Sash" (which is incredible) AND "immune to Fissure, Sheer Cold, etc"; what's even better is that there are very few counters for it unless your opponent has Mold Breaker.
** The Bug-type was slowly getting better in Gen IV with stronger moves like X-Scissor and U-Turn, but these games gave the type a serious boost with many new Bug-types that weren't {{Crutch Character}}s, with great stats, movepools, and diverse types beyond Flying or Poison (as well as the type's first {{Olympus Mon|s}} in Genesect). The introduction of [[StatusBuff Quiver Dance]][[labelnote:*]]which boosts Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed[[/labelnote]] also allowed past Bug-types to stand up better, particularly ones with Baton Pass.
*** As an extra example: the Champion of the Pokemon League has ''three'' Bug-type Pokemon. The most powerful trainer in the land has Bug-types as ''half his team''.
** Venusaur was overshadowed by Charizard and Blastoise for having a [[BoringButPractical "less cool design."]] Generation V gave it a massive buff in the form of Chlorophyll, and thanks to that, Venusaur emerged as the strongest of the original three starters (and one of the strongest starters period) in the competitive scene. This won the Bulbasaur line some long deserved love... until the next generation, where Venusaur's sun-sweeping potential was {{Nerf}}ed, but all three starters gained useful and powerful Mega Evolutions, putting them on a roughly equal playing field and rescuing them ''all'' from the TierInducedScrappy Heap.
* RonTheDeathEater: Bianca's father is ''quite clearly'' an overprotective worrywart who fears for her safety away from home, but a lot of fans love to twist him as an abusive asshole in various fanfics.
* TheScrappy: Despite the praise that these games got, they are notable for introducing a large amount of Pokémon whose designs were either dismissed or disliked by the fanbase.
** Oshawott's design has made it the subject of regular bashing since day one, but it became TheWoobie almost immediately in backlash. First BrokenBase around the game!
** Basculin for having an abysmal design and being the ONLY thing you can find on rippling fresh water routes, since fishing rods are off-limits till post-game. They are not that good either in battles.
** Pansage already wasn't popular because it was yet another monkey-based Pokémon, but since Panpour and Pansear made an {{underground monkey}} of him, Panpour and Pansear, the results aren't pretty. While their evolutions are very different from each other, many people went on to deposit their monkey after the first gym, as they found their evolutions weak, still leading to this trope. On top of that, they're incredibly common in the hands of other Trainers in the storyline, making it easy to get sick of them. In the 2016 popularity poll, Simisear scored dead last out of all 720 Pokémon available in the games at that time.
** The Kami trio have gotten some SERIOUS hate for how [[UndergroundMonkey similar]] their sprites are. Their bodies and postures are exactly the same, with the only differences being color, tail and mustache. The introduction of their more diverse Therian formes in the sequels caused the hate to die down (or in Landorus' case, gain hate [[TierInducedScrappy for a different reason]]).
** If people are talking about Gen V Pokémon they hate, Trubbish, Garbodor, and the Vanillite family are likely to come up.
** Since the Global Link was opened, people got mad at Fennel if they couldn't access the Dream World, thanks to her [[http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n573/AuraChannelerChris/Fennel-1-1.png taunting expression]].
** Audino, due to being so common in the shaking grass patches where there are possibilities of much rarer Pokemon. They tend to make up for it by being {{Metal Slime}}s, but it can be pretty aggravating when you just want to catch a damn Emolga. Though the sequels ''does'' have a variety in those grasses, including more than just the standard Audino, Emolga and the elemental monkeys.
** Emolga also comes under fire for being another Pikaclone. Bonus points for being [[GoddamnBats a pain to fight]], gives a pitiful amount of experience compared to other Mons [[ThatOneBoss and the fact that Elesa uses two of these demons in the battle]].
* ScrappyMechanic: Many decisions Game Freak made for this generation are questionable.
** The XP gain is proportional to the level difference between mons so a low level beating on a higher one will gain more XP but this also means a higher level beating on a lower level will gain less making leveling your mons once you've outleveled everything else difficult.
** Remember how auto-leveling worked in player vs player battles before Gen V (At least in Gens III and IV)? Being able to have a team of 6 automatically be raised to level 100 or raised/lowered to level 50 was very convenient. In Gen V, the only leveling option you have is the Flat Battle ruleset, which has many of the same restrictions as a battle facility: All Pokemon are dropped to level 50, no more than one of the same Pokemon nor item, and only 3 ans 4 Pokemon can be used in single and double battles, respectively. The only other option available allows you to turn the Wonder Launcher on/off. Also, unlike battle facilities, Pokemon beneath level 50 do not have their levels raised. Combined with the afforementioned mechanic, this means a lot of grinding if you want have a 6 on 6 battle with no restrictions where everything is at an equal level.
** Most berries can only be obtained via [=NPCs=] that hand them out or in the now-defunct Dream World. It's impossible to grow berries in the actual game anymore, and it's ridiculously hard to obtain most of the few varieties available in-game.
** The highly-useful menu interface on the touch screen in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver HeartGold and SoulSilver]]'' was replaced by the C-Gear, which, while excellent for multiplayer, was utterly useless in single-player and for people with no friends nearby who had the game. While the C-Gear was active, it continuously used the [=DS=]'s wireless functions, draining the battery, and it was active by default. Whenever you booted up the game, it prompted you to turn on the C-Gear, and you had to confirm a second time if you wanted to keep it deactivated.
** Not to mention the PokeTch in Gen IV was a very useful system - checking the Pokemon in your party's health, a daycare checker to see if you have a egg created... None of this is in Gen V.
** Many ''good'' Unova Pokémon have rather obscene level requirements for evolution, and as such evolve very late in the games when there is no good reason to, which doesn't help their rather [[MagikarpPower weak base forms]]. Coupled with the new EXP system, raising Pokemon in these games is a chore at best and hellish at worst. Even worse, while some of those high levels could at least be justified for their placement in the game, future games ''retain'' the high level requirements even when such Pokémon are encountered at much lower levels than they previously were. Have fun playing ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' with a Rufflet/Vullaby that, due to the EXP system's return, their early game placement and evolution level of ''54'', will never evolve until the very end of the game!
** While generally not a major problem, Fishing Rods are not available for the player until the post-game. This is made worse since, unlike the Gen IV games, not even the Good Rod is in these games, and Water-types in Unova are very limited just like how Fire- and Electric-types are scarce in both Hoenn and Sinnoh. Fans of aquatic Pokemon ''aren't pleased'' at this decision.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** These games, along with their immediate predecessors ''[=HeartGold=]'' and ''[=SoulSilver=]'', were largely responsible for rekindling interest in the ''Pokémon'' franchise at the time, and were potentially considered the best games in the series overall. Several years later, they've largely fallen by the wayside ([[PopularityPolynomial though admittedly not quite so badly]]); the Unova Pokémon are no longer as loved and hyped as they once were and didn't get a playable character in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' to ensure their longevity, while later main games and ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' were able to WinBackTheCrowd on an even larger scale. The sequels ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' are still very popular with the core fandom,[[note]]with their inclusion of older Pokémon and more expansive postgame being major advantages over their predecessors,[[/note]] but one would be hard-pressed to find fans as fond of the original ''Black'' and ''White'' now as they were in 2010-2011. Of note is the fact that, unlike with most other games from Generations IV and V (even their own sequels),[[note]]except for ''Pokémon Diamond'' and ''Pokémon Pearl''[[/note]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' have not become more expensive and sought-after on the secondary market.
** A major driving force behind ''Black'' and ''White'' hype was that they strived to be [[DarkerAndEdgier "darker" and more "mature" games]] that were more inclusive of the PeripheryDemographic, during a time where ''Pokémon'' was largely seen as a "kiddy" franchise that was embarrassing for adults and teenagers to like. Since then, the franchise has become far more inclusive of teen and adult fans in the content of the games and other media,[[note]]and arguably more effectively as well, given how successful ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' was with that demographic[[/note]] as well as marketing, thus making this aspect of ''BW'' no longer seem groundbreaking.
* SelfFanservice: The girl trainer (canonically, Hilda) is estimated by most fans to be around 14-15, and has a cute and tomboyish but overall modest design. However, the very fact that she was part of the first pair of "older" player characters in the series, along with her TomboyishPonytail and [[WhoWearsShortShorts short shorts]], has caused a lot of fans to sexualize her in fan art, often emphasizing and increasing the size of her chest and/or butt to make her look 2-3 years older. This is ''despite'' the fact that she's widely accepted to be underage, and is still very young and small compared to the series' adult characters.
* ShipMates: It's a pretty popular practice for those who ship N with the player character to also ship Cheren and Bianca, sometimes making them the BetaCouple.
* ShipToShipCombat: The shipping community for the games is usually (mostly) civil compared to the anime, but for some reason, these particular games have caused some very nasty flame wars and {{Fan Hat|er}}ing on opposing ships. The most notorious of these is the [[FoeYay N x Hilda]] vs. [[HoYay N x Hilbert]] vs. [[SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan Hilbert x Hilda]] war, with DieForOurShip in full effect for the member of the triangle excluded from one's {{OTP}}.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Team Plasma may be hypocritical (and in some cases, dishonest) about their desire to free Pokémon from humans, but the fact remains that Pokemon battles would be a serious case of animal cruelty in a more realistic setting. Furthermore, most sympathetic characters say that Team Plasma is wrong, but Drayden is the only one with a strong counterargument: if Pokémon ever wanted to leave humans, they would.
* ThatOneBoss: Lenora, mainly because her Watchog will absolutely rip your Pokemon to shreds with its powerful Retaliate.
** Elesa as well, thanks to her irritating Emolgas who ignore Ground attacks, are irritatingly prone to paralyzing your Pokemon, and will constantly swap places in and out of battle with her hard-hitting speedster of a Zebstrika.
** Rounding out the Gym Leader trio is Clay, whose Excadrill will annhilate your entire team at once thanks to his ludicrously powerful Excadrill's Hone Claws move, which boosts its attack by a considerable amount.
** But Ghetsis just might be the worst of the bunch: his entire team is full of dangerous and powerful Pokemon, but his infamous underleveled Hydreigon has ridiculously good stats and a wide and diverse movepool that has an answer for just about anything you throw at him. It's not common to have your entire team single-handedly wiped out by this thing even if his others don't put up much of a fight.
* ThatOneSidequest: The Pokemon seek game in the Dream World - Where as the other 5 games that you play to befriend Pokémon ([[NoExportForYou at least the ones available to the states]]) allow some form of strategy, Pokemon Seek is a LuckBasedMission.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
** The Wifi/Competitive play mechanics. There are significant changes to Player vs Player gameplay, including the inability to do IV battles, and the now dominant type being 3v3 instead of 6v6, alongside the ability to preview your opponent's team. The [[Website/{{Smogon}} competitive battle circles]] are having a ''fit'' about this, as it throws a wrench into the min-maxing dynamic created over the past 4 generations. Interestingly, a good number of these changes appear to be done ''specifically'' to break up the existing {{Metagame}}.
** Competitive players (like Website/{{Smogon}}) were ''not'' pleased with Rotom-A losing their Ghost typing (as it can no longer prevent Rapid Spin from working.)
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Given what Genesect is -- a PrehistoricMonster revived and turned into a cyborg by Team Plasma, only for the project to be cancelled by N out of disgust -- you'd expect it to have some role in the plot. Unfortunately, because it's a [[TemporaryOnlineContent Mythical Pokémon]], it has no role in this game or the sequels beyond a side event where you get the Drives.[[labelnote:*]]And even then, only two. And the sequels don't even let you get the opposite set![[/labelnote]] What's more, unlike [[BloodKnight Mewtwo]], little to nothing about Genesect's personality is revealed in its Pokédex entries beyond reminders that Team Plasma made it (at best, ''Black'' mentions [[TheDreaded it was feared in its era as the strongest of hunters]]).
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** N's navelgazing about the relationship between Pokémon and humans would provoke a good deal of analysis about the sentience and free will of Pokémon, as well as how it could possibly be symbiotic when humans depend on Pokémon for everything from construction work to conflict resolution. Shame that the franchise is built up on cutesy animals blindly following your every command to win. Even more of a shame that N is in the wrong due to being ''specifically raised'' to believe that philosophy.
** Generation V introduced triple battles, and also had a trio of brothers serving as co-Gym Leaders. Unlike Tate and Liza, who were introduced in the same generation as double battles, you never get the chance to fight all three at once, not even in the sequels.
* ToughActToFollow: This is generally seen as the reason why the game's brand-new Pokédex of new 150+ Pokémon didn't catch on with as many people as hoped. Some fans suspect that ''Black'' and ''White'' were an attempt at SequelDisplacement a la ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and tried to be the biggest, best and freshest games at the time in order to become a new gold standard for the franchise - a sentiment echoed by Junichi Masuda's belief that the games were his "masterpiece". However, the ''Pokémon'' franchise had had its heyday with the "Pokémania" of ''VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue'', and many first-generation creatures such as Pikachu and Charizard were not just popular video game monsters, but icons of pop culture. The Unova dex had an uphill battle ahead of it by attempting to displace the Pokémon that everyone knew and loved, and while the decision was praised by dedicated fans, it was lambasted by others and gave the games as a whole an unnecessarily "alien" feel that undermined their appeal. This was not helped by the fact that many of the individual Pokémon species (such as the starters and Zoroark) also suffered from this trope compared to their older counterparts.
* UglyCute:
** Trubbish is probably the most adorable garbage bag you will ever see.
** Scraggy and Scrafty. Especially the former thanks to its sprite animation where it attempts to pull its pants-skin upwards with temporary success.
** A surprising number of fans think Kyurem is cute, largely due to AlternateCharacterInterpretation.
** Eelektross may be a giant [[FlyingSeafoodSpecial levitating]], [[PsychoElectricEel Psycho Electric Lamprey]], but the little dance it does in its sprite animation is both [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious]] and cute.
** Stunfisk, that is if you find the fact it's laughing at you cute rather than irritating.
* ViewerGenderConfusion:
** Several fans pointed to early screenshots of the male trainer and, based on his sprites, speculated about there being ''two'' female player characters to choose from, while wondering when a male trainer would show up. (To give the viewers credit, these were low-quality screenshots from a magazine scan.)
** [[http://pokebeach.com/news/0610/black-white-character-cheren.jpg Cheren]] looks enough like a short-haired girl to be mistaken for a {{bifauxnen}} before the games' release. Doesn't help that the shirt under his coat looks exactly like [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Whitney's]].
** N as well. Really not helped at all by the, ah... [[http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn71/KitsuneShinobi/Pokemon/HGSS_Whitney_Art.png familiarity]] of [[http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy208/LuverChan_97/Pokemon/serebiiscreenshot.jpg his official art pose.]]
** There's also Burgh, the {{Camp}} gym leader of Castelia City.
** N introduces the Shadow Triad as men, but that hasn't stopped the fans from questioning their gender, especially since it is only addressed once. In ''Manga/PokemonSpecial'', they look like masked versions of [[Manga/DeathNote Mello]]. Not helping. At all. Fixed in the sequels, where they have more masculine sprites and one of them speaks with [[Creator/AkiraIshida an identifiably male voice]] in the animated trailer.
* ViewerSpeciesConfusion: Zorua and Zoroark are often mistaken for wolves, with many viewers thinking that the latter is a werewolf, when they're actually both foxes, based on the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune kitsune]], possibly of the more mischevious yako or nogitsune variety.
* TheWoobie:
** According to its Pokédex entries, Yamask's gold mask is its face from its time as a human thousands of years ago before turning into a mummy, and it still has memories from those times. [[TearJerker It occasionally stares at the mask, sobbing.]]
** Believe it or not, Kyurem. Since it's frozen, everyone is afraid of it, and it can't even use its powers to their full potential, Kyurem fans decide that [[IJustWantToHaveFriends it needs a hug]]. [[spoiler: Confirmed in the sequels. The legend about Kyurem eating people is said to be untrue, and Kyurem is ''indeed'' made to suffer hard at Team Plasma's hands.]]
** Bianca. As if having self-esteem issues, an OverprotectiveDad (at first), and getting the short end of the stick starter-wise wasn't bad enough, she enters her third battle with you feeling confident and sure that she'll do well, only to [[HeroicBSOD lose all heart]] (she even says she won't ever be as good as you or Cheren) when you end up defeating her. Yeah, that's right - the game [[CrueltyIsTheOnlyOption makes you]] BreakTheCutie in order to continue. I'd say that's worth a cuddle. And if it's still not enough, she got her Munna stolen by Team Plasma.
** [[spoiler:N - his father could give [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] a run for its money in sheer callousness. That's grounds for a hug right there. And Concordia's words just make it even sadder: "N's heart is pure and innocent. But there is nothing more beautiful and terrifying than innocence."]] He's also a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds.
** Audino. It's a sweet, kind healer Pokemon that'll even heal ''your'' 'mon during battles, and players go out of their way to beat it up for easy EXP.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: [[{{Mayincatec}} Sigilyph]] is based off of Nazca Lines's [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Nasca_Condor_2007_08.JPG Condor]], or the [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Lignes_de_Nazca_D%C3%A9cembre_2006_-_Colibri_1.jpg Hummingbird]].
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